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On November 26 2020 05:19 badbeatpete wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2020 03:31 D3AD-R3TARD wrote:
That's the point. Those strategies are usually not representative of real game. That's just a problem with BGH - especially 11 and 12 positions. They are too close. If someone leaves before 3 minute mark (doesn't matter rusher or someone killed by rush) it's an indication of an all-in play like this. Not a good measure of players' skill. Especially those not involved in the rush.
I had no idea this was intentional. I don't think I agree though. There is skill involved in both executing and defending a cheese strategy. Allin strategies are a valid part of the game, and allowing players to mulligan these games is imposing a personal bias into them. Also, players not directly involved in the rush still have just as much impact on the result of the game. How did the remaining players respond to the cheese. Did they sit around passively or aggressively punish the cheesing player? Did the teammates of the cheeser assist the rush or not? Did the cheesing player make proper defenses against a counter or not? A game doesn't just end with whether the cheesing player was successful or not. Implicitly allowing players to mulligan cheesy games is similar in spirit to changing the official map to remove cliffs or adjust spawn positions etc. I don't think most players would agree with this. I didn't even know that the 3 minute rule was intentionally set as such to allow players to mulligan these kinds of games.
In any statistical model the quality of prediction is always related to noisiness of the data. In my opinion MMR establishing algorithm just doesn't benefit from outcomes of those kinds of games.
That's it. I don't discourage or encourage players to use those tactics. You can still play them. You can still enjoy them. They are still counted as win or lose by Battle.net, and they are still valid games. I often don't leave games like that, knowing they are not counted.
But what I need for establishing a good MMR score of players are games that contain information about how the combined skills of players on both teams compare. And I think that those game bring more random noise than valuable information.
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Dakota_Fanning
Hungary2368 Posts
I would still love to have these BGH MMR replays released. If anyone is interested in BGH games, these would be good examples to analyze / learn from.
Does anyone have objections making replays of these games public?
Poll: Would you like BGH MMR replays be released?Yes, I would love that. (13) 68% I don't care. (5) 26% No, I don't want that. (1) 5% 19 total votes Your vote: Would you like BGH MMR replays be released? (Vote): Yes, I would love that.
(Vote): No, I don't want that.
(Vote): I don't care.
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On November 27 2020 21:26 Dakota_Fanning wrote:I would still love to have these BGH MMR replays released. If anyone is interested in BGH games, these would be good examples to analyze / learn from. Does anyone have objections making replays of these games public? Poll: Would you like BGH MMR replays be released?Yes, I would love that. (13) 68% I don't care. (5) 26% No, I don't want that. (1) 5% 19 total votes Your vote: Would you like BGH MMR replays be released? (Vote): Yes, I would love that.
(Vote): No, I don't want that.
(Vote): I don't care.
As your quote suggests https://repmastered.app would be a great place for em!
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What's the difference between the "4 ranked" and the "+20 wins" bots?
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On November 28 2020 21:38 wimpwimpwimp wrote:
What's the difference between the "4 ranked" and the "+20 wins" bots?
Isn't anyone ranked if they played 5 placement matches?
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On November 28 2020 21:38 wimpwimpwimp wrote:
What's the difference between the "4 ranked" and the "+20 wins" bots?
After 4 matches with the bot you get the rank - like A,B,E or S. Then you can join "4 ranked" games.
"+20 wins" games are for everyone with at least 20 wins in custom games.
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Hi. I'd like to report a bug in match from 2020-11-29, 15:45. My team (me, LOoP and Cs 135) won, but the bot scored this match as our defeat!
Please analyze the bot's behavior and correct the match result.
Best regarts
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Today player "ebla" is saying all the time "ebla: pay money to be obs" at the lobby, and idk if that makes that bot dont start the game, so after a while people is leaving all the time because they see that ebla just want to boycott the game.
You can see that on game from bot1 today 29/11 at 20:50
Ban?
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I'm here to report the same issue Sheraph just talked about. There's a player called ebla joining the game and spamming the chat. This player is also notorious for killing allies, so no wonder why people just leave the game as they see him. the bot is useless as long as this player isn't banned.
I also take the chance to thank you for the bot, i've always been a big fan of it !
So please autoban this ebla player who is notoriously disruptive for the sc community and get the bot up and running again !
Thank you
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+1
Ban ebla.
(But you wrote on this forum that you banned him. Strange.)
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Germany1309 Posts
+1 please ban ebla
he joins the game, spams the chat and instantly leaves the game after it started
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On November 30 2020 00:47 stawik wrote:
Hi. I'd like to report a bug in match from 2020-11-29, 15:45. My team (me, LOoP and Cs 135) won, but the bot scored this match as our defeat!
Please analyze the bot's behavior and correct the match result.
Best regarts
Thanks for report. There indeed was error. I think I've fixed this. I still have to make a script for reverting this wrong result, but it will be fixed.
On November 30 2020 04:53 Sheraph wrote:
Today player "ebla" is saying all the time "ebla: pay money to be obs" at the lobby, and idk if that makes that bot dont start the game, so after a while people is leaving all the time because they see that ebla just want to boycott the game.
You can see that on game from bot1 today 29/11 at 20:50
Ban?
On November 30 2020 05:14 Bu77h0l3cruiser wrote:
I'm here to report the same issue Sheraph just talked about. There's a player called ebla joining the game and spamming the chat. This player is also notorious for killing allies, so no wonder why people just leave the game as they see him. the bot is useless as long as this player isn't banned.
I also take the chance to thank you for the bot, i've always been a big fan of it !
So please autoban this ebla player who is notoriously disruptive for the sc community and get the bot up and running again !
Thank you
On November 30 2020 05:37 my ally is good wrote:
+1
Ban ebla.
(But you wrote on this forum that you banned him. Strange.)
On November 30 2020 06:46 Chosi wrote:
+1 please ban ebla
he joins the game, spams the chat and instantly leaves the game after it started
Yes, I banned ebla but I've made a typo in his name so it didn't work. Sorry for this, should be fixed now.
BTW Bot starts banning when banned player can't change teams i.e. when other team is full so if bans don't happen right away please be patient.
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Ebla is back. Today is saying:
ebla: DONT PLAY HERE THIS BOT STREAMS YOUR GAMES AND GETS MONEY
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On November 27 2020 02:25 Qvark wrote:
I agree that 2 min makes more sense than 3 min. It's fun to learn how to counter these rushes. Also some players exploit the 3 min to achieve a high ranking e.g. Gottesreich.
He’s also incredibly bm and toxic to everyone he plays with.
If you see him, be prepared for a cannon rush with forge blocking the cannons. If it works, he goes carriers. If it doesnt, he leaves. Makes for really fun games...
I think the bot works really good now. Teams are always even and the games are great. This is the only bgh I play nowadays.
Edit: Ebla is an asshole.
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France1920 Posts
Features suggestions:
- get a whisper after the game showing your stats and how much points you've won or lost
- a command to reset your stats
- % win ratio and most played race on the leaderboard
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There's a new #1 on the ladder, Sovani! He streams on twitch under the name Azhi_Dahaki if anyone here is interested. I watch him regularly and pointed him to this ladder a few weeks ago because I knew he was really good and wanted to see how high he could get. His goal is to reach 4k mmr. Will this motivate Drone to try and reclaim #1? Hopefully this sparks a friendly rivalry. 
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On December 03 2020 23:25 HaN- wrote:
Features suggestions:
- get a whisper after the game showing your stats and how much points you've won or lost
- a command to reset your stats
- % win ratio and most played race on the leaderboard
Added win ratio to main page. Races require more work but I'll try to add them later.
Whisper after match is a good idea but I'm not a fun of players resetting their stats.
On December 04 2020 12:04 badbeatpete wrote:There's a new #1 on the ladder, Sovani! He streams on twitch under the name Azhi_Dahaki if anyone here is interested. I watch him regularly and pointed him to this ladder a few weeks ago because I knew he was really good and wanted to see how high he could get. His goal is to reach 4k mmr. Will this motivate Drone to try and reclaim #1? Hopefully this sparks a friendly rivalry.
Very cool stream. Getting over 4000MMR is beyond science, but he managed to get there.
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France1920 Posts
I'm not a fan of players resetting their stats.
iCCup has this /clearstats YES command which is only allowed once a month, it works fine like that.
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Norway28839 Posts
Iccup is an individual league though. This is supposed to create balanced games. People being unhappy with their stats or rating and resetting for this reason, will make them seem like worse players than they are, creating imbalanced games after reset. So I'm not a fan of that either.
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France1920 Posts
On December 06 2020 07:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Iccup is an individual league though. This is supposed to create balanced games. People being unhappy with their stats or rating and resetting for this reason, will make them seem like worse players than they are, creating imbalanced games after reset. So I'm not a fan of that either.
Once a month though. This shouldn't get out of hands.
Also I think that it can reduce players tendency to "quit" because they are unhappy with their stats, having the opportunity to start fresh, therefore having an healthier player pool.
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