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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
December 01 2024 08:27 GMT
#2961
On November 30 2024 20:37 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2024 23:40 MeSaber wrote:
On November 15 2024 07:40 beWaterMyFriend78 wrote:
nightstand
@D3AD R3TARD - Hi, I was playing games earlier and cant play anymore b/c all of the bots ban me from games. I left one game less than 1 minute because it was too laggy to play. I don't think this violates the rules and could you unban me? my sc nickname is "stackoverflow" thanks.

Your ban is time-limited, it should work again after 3 hours


This is the worst rule ive heard, if this is the case i got banned (cant even recall i played today) because a guy lagged his balls off (rocco_ht) where i said 'rocco lags' and left, is this a reason to temp-ban someone? Give me a fucking break.

Punish the lagger instead.

All you do with this shitty rule is make people play less because they only have maybe 3 hours to play a day, and you are then banned for a whole day where you coulda played 10+ games.

And aint no fucking way im gonna play a lag game where some nerd has wifi connection or gsm. No fucking way. The TR16 i suggested like 5 years ago was suppose to battle these idiot gsm/wifi users to get a fucking cable connection so we can play real games instead of 3 sec micro delay games.

But instead the 'real players' gets punished and the laggers can keep on playing. Great idea.

In conclusion this rule made the game deader than it already is.


Agreed, its retarded, I left a game because one of our player was AFK and now Im the one being banned... nice


Welcome to parallel world where everything is upside down :D
-.-
Che cazzo
Profile Joined March 2024
200 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-01 12:17:27
December 01 2024 12:15 GMT
#2962
@admin, I am one of the most active player of this bot world, and I have serious suggestions about bot operation.


1. To shift 2 bots(bot 2, bot 3) for 24/7 operation of level games.
You know, 6 hours of SAB/SABC games are most popular during daily operation.
Many players only play during this time, and these 2 bots immediately become full after game creation.
So I suggest bot 2&3 open for SAB/SABC all the time, and bot 1&4 operated as they are now.

2. During 6 hours of level game period, to merge bot 1(for CDE) and bot 4(for DEF) into one type
It is frequently seen that bot 4 is totally unoccupied and it is waste of resource. Obviously, bot 4 is not popular and not welcomed to anybody(even to DEF rankers) as of now.
Please consider merging bot 1 and bot 4 into one CDEF game type.

3. To eliminate ranked games for 2 hours and shift them into 50+wins
Basically 2 hours of ranked games are not necessary and has no special difference. (only new comers without rank and F rankers cannot join.)
If you accept my above suggestion in point 2, F rankers also have chance to play anytime.


To summarize, I recommend you to operate bot games as hereunder.
- Bot 1: 18 hours of 50+wins // 6 hours of CDEF
- Bot 2: 24 hours of SAB
- Bot 3: 24 hours of SABC
- Bot 4: 18 hours of 50+wins // 6 hours of CDEF


Please think about it.
beWaterMyFriend78
Profile Joined October 2021
115 Posts
December 01 2024 22:14 GMT
#2963
^^ ok if you see yourself as such. I'm sure that many people don't agree with you, it doesn't make much sense to say you're the only one to bring it up, it's already been mentioned a few times before. But it is what it is, other options have also been listed to get around the 3 minute rule, but I can't and don't want to give you everything on a silver platter. Read above or create multiple accounts as soon as one of your accounts has a 3h ban, use then other. I'm not a fan of this rule either because it doesn't make sense to me. Especially since a rule was introduced 3 minutes ago for the purpose of 4pool or cr strats, the admin is overriding his own rules. Strats like this are what are being played more often again. Adapt to that, use the tips above, I hope/think that works for you @ MeSaber
beWaterMyFriend78
Profile Joined October 2021
115 Posts
December 01 2024 22:17 GMT
#2964
In the end it's just an admin and it could be better, but it's always better than nothing and he also responds to requests or suggestions for changes if they make sense or if several players see it the same way. Therefore the ladder is quite acceptable
Che cazzo
Profile Joined March 2024
200 Posts
December 02 2024 08:13 GMT
#2965
On December 02 2024 07:17 beWaterMyFriend78 wrote:
In the end it's just an admin and it could be better, but it's always better than nothing and he also responds to requests or suggestions for changes if they make sense or if several players see it the same way. Therefore the ladder is quite acceptable



Thank you for sharing your thoughts. However, I’ve spent a lot of time playing this bot game, so I’m speaking from a place of deep experience. My suggestion is about fixing what I see as problems, not just accepting things as they are. If you’d like to join the conversation, I’d appreciate it if you could share your thoughts on the specific points I raised. Sticking to the way things have always been might feel comfortable, but it doesn’t help the bot game improve.
rich-
Profile Joined February 2008
United States144 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-02 16:11:57
December 02 2024 16:11 GMT
#2966
Agreed, when the bots changed to 20 or whatever it was to 50+ wins, this eliminated the need for a differentiation between ranked and unranked. Chances are the game is going to be about the same in terms of skill, ie huge variations and not very playable. Most people just sit out and wait on the SAB/SABC games to appear instead of playing boring games.

The SAB/SABC 24/7 would definitely be better. These two games account for about 95% of the good BGH games on Europe.
One other thing that would be awesome would be to make one of the SABC/SAB bots into SA during those 6 hours and have a very good bot going, then the rest of the time go back to SABC.
The thing I'm seeing typically is the SABC bot turns into CCC vs CCB or something of this nature for many of the games. Everyone that is above C rank just sits and waits for SAB to open, then it becomes BBA vs BBS or something. Which is better but the games that are SA only, are way more fun.
D3AD-R3TARD
Profile Joined April 2020
Poland310 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-02 23:12:38
December 02 2024 23:11 GMT
#2967
On November 14 2024 12:09 iN3gos wrote:
Hi, D3AD-R3TARD,

Could you lift temporary ban for iN3gos? We just had a game, 1 player was afk. after 15 sec I left the game. Now I get temp ban. It is fair that I get banned, but not afk player?


I'm testing new version of the bot where AFK players get ban for 1 hour and others will not get temp ban after leaving in the first 3 minutes.

The way it works:
if someone leaves in first 3 minutes then
1 if there were players who didn't move in first 15 seconds they get banned for 1 hour
2 else the first leaver gets 3 hour temp ban

Please report games if this didn't work.
https://bghmmr.eu
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
December 04 2024 13:07 GMT
#2968
ban request : praxo
game : 20241204/140359
leaving for no reason
rich-
Profile Joined February 2008
United States144 Posts
December 04 2024 18:41 GMT
#2969
And once again I'd like to reiterate how much of a waste of a bot the DEF bot is. It takes a very long time to fill, and nobody that's D E or F rank really cares so much about it quite honestly. This is against the backdrop of SAB/SABC bots being very very popular and everyone sitting around waiting to play these games.

We all really appreciate the bots and all the work that has gone into them. And of this group that uses/appreciates the bots, I don't think they would miss the DEF games if they were swapped to another SABC/SAB// SA(?) bot.

DEF bots take much longer to fill and sit idle, essentially wasting away. The opportunity cost is a lost SA level bot which would be very well received among your most active user base.
eagleeye15
Profile Joined December 2021
44 Posts
December 05 2024 01:47 GMT
#2970
ban request: IRK-IMJIRAIYA
game: 20241205/021218
reason: killing my probes
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-05 11:33:56
December 05 2024 11:25 GMT
#2971
On December 03 2024 08:11 D3AD-R3TARD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2024 12:09 iN3gos wrote:
Hi, D3AD-R3TARD,

Could you lift temporary ban for iN3gos? We just had a game, 1 player was afk. after 15 sec I left the game. Now I get temp ban. It is fair that I get banned, but not afk player?


I'm testing new version of the bot where AFK players get ban for 1 hour and others will not get temp ban after leaving in the first 3 minutes.

The way it works:
if someone leaves in first 3 minutes then
1 if there were players who didn't move in first 15 seconds they get banned for 1 hour
2 else the first leaver gets 3 hour temp ban

Please report games if this didn't work.


What exactly is this trying to solve?

I play this game and i can tell you what really matters, i dont know if you play or not because you havent disclosed who you are ingame, even so if you do you should know what the most common issues are.

-Leaving games before game starts.
-Leaving games after game starts. (for no good reason, you have to differentiate between good/bad here)
-Leaving games in the middle of a battle even when its winnable, but by leaving its a certain loss. (i just had this happening by GLYO)
-Lag at the beginning of a game which makes it unplayable.
-Lag during countdown, bot doesnt fix this even though it complains about laggy players it does not kick laggers as it should.
-Fake IDs pretending to be noob but actually arent, skews the balance but its rare occurrence.
-New temp ban system where it punishes the good guys.

Thats the list of the issues that needs to be solved if any.

Edit: As Rich- mentions DEF doesnt need to exist, just let em play everywhere except SAB games.
-.-
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28733 Posts
December 05 2024 11:35 GMT
#2972
Maybe make the DEF bot games be open games for all. Turning all the DEF both games into SABC would essentially ban DEF players but if you make those games open they'll be filled much faster and SABC players get more games open to them.
Moderator
Che cazzo
Profile Joined March 2024
200 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-05 13:57:17
December 05 2024 13:56 GMT
#2973
Seriously DEF game no need to exist, even DEF rankers dont join.
Switch it into CDEF or SAB/SABC.
rich-
Profile Joined February 2008
United States144 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-05 21:22:22
December 05 2024 21:17 GMT
#2974
I think having one bot dedicated to SA only during prime time hours would be so amazing.
I think this format is a great suggestion with that one tweak.

- Bot 1: 18 hours of 50+wins // 6 hours of SA // SAB
- Bot 2: 24 hours of SAB
- Bot 3: 24 hours of SABC
- Bot 4: 18 hours of 50+wins // 6 hours of CDEF

There's just so much more traffic on the SAB bot than the DEF bot
Che cazzo
Profile Joined March 2024
200 Posts
December 06 2024 08:41 GMT
#2975
Allocating 3 bots out of 4 for S/A/B/C does not make sense, considering player layers.

S/A/B players account for 30%, C/D/E/F players 70%.
But S/A/B players have high loyalty in bot games and every SAB game immediately becomes full.

Considering current player layers, and player loyalty by levels, I think below suggestion is well balanced plan.
- Bot 1: 18 hours of 50+wins // 6 hours of CDEF
- Bot 2: 24 hours of SAB
- Bot 3: 24 hours of SAB
- Bot 4: 18 hours of 50+wins // 6 hours of CDEF

Also admin can control game traffic by adjusting mmr point for each level.
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1392 Posts
December 06 2024 18:30 GMT
#2976
SAB is stuck, please help master
mada mada dane
ViR[ReV]
Profile Joined October 2020
52 Posts
December 07 2024 17:38 GMT
#2977
Right now the bots are sleeping.

But now to more important thing. I think we should change version of the map. Not to a map without cliffs and so on, But to BGH where the minerals are fair. If u start 11 now that means u have so much less mining coz its just suck, to not speak of the gas mining there. There are maps that fixes this.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9527 Posts
December 07 2024 17:49 GMT
#2978
On December 08 2024 02:38 ViR[ReV] wrote:
Right now the bots are sleeping.

But now to more important thing. I think we should change version of the map. Not to a map without cliffs and so on, But to BGH where the minerals are fair. If u start 11 now that means u have so much less mining coz its just suck, to not speak of the gas mining there. There are maps that fixes this.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, there's only one version of BGH.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9527 Posts
December 07 2024 17:50 GMT
#2979
But yeah, the bots are down. Please fix
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
ViR[ReV]
Profile Joined October 2020
52 Posts
December 07 2024 22:39 GMT
#2980
I think it would be nice if we could bann ppl but mayority. If say 50 ppl say someone is destroying the experience. Like Cent. Last game we played he said I go sairs, he made 17 cannon and not a single sair, Not even stargate. He destroyes the game and everyone I am mean everyone disslikes him. Hes is ruining the game.

And we need SAB bot more then ever so he cant play with us
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