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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 14:00:34
February 01 2019 14:00 GMT
#221
On February 01 2019 21:09 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
what the heck is a humpty dumpty??


An easly to break character with a bad relations with a walls XD
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
February 01 2019 14:12 GMT
#222
If humpty dumpty sat on my wall off's in PvZ he would def fall off, they are so random
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-02 02:43:32
February 02 2019 02:43 GMT
#223
On February 01 2019 22:07 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2019 17:42 hitthat wrote:
Tesagi does exist! It's because we, terran master race, are the apex organisms in the Galaxy, while Zergs are the rags we wipe the floors, and Protoss are a funny space humpty dumpties that even have no mouth.


Lore-wise, Terrans should be the least dominating of the three races. Protoss are clearly the more technical advanced humanoid race and the Zerg Swarm has nearly unlimited amounts of troops, the ability to evolve and adapt into any environmental and strategical nessecity, plus ultimate control by the overmind/kerrigan.

So, in short i think lore-wise zerg and protoss are at pari, both also representing two different aspects of the master race, xel naga, while terran is perhaps most agressive in space colonisation but technological the least developed.

(In my consideration im leaving the sc2 plotline out intentionally, because i consider it not canonic due to various reasons)

Considering the UED's expedition force caused such a headache for everyone, fairly sure in-game Terrans are the strongest.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
525 Posts
February 03 2019 02:44 GMT
#224
it's always been zerg that's been the most dangerous threat to the universe.
the entire plot of bw revolves around who controls the zerg
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
February 03 2019 06:28 GMT
#225
On February 01 2019 23:12 GGzerG wrote:
If humpty dumpty sat on my wall off's in PvZ he would def fall off, they are so random


Great comment, haha I am Z but not good, I can tell immediately whether my opponent is good or not by the quality of their walls.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2748 Posts
February 03 2019 13:28 GMT
#226
One of the comments here suggested that maybe the perceived T dominance in tournaments is due the relative volatilities of the mirror matchups. I like this hypothesis because its so mathematical.

In TvT, there is little volatility; the better player usually wins. ZvZ is known for its high volatility, people call it a rock-paper-scissor matchup, highly depended on chance. Also PvP sees many wins when the players open 2gate-obs, 3gate or DTs (2gate-obs > DTs > 3gate > 2gate-obs).

The idea is that the mirror matchups shake out the bad Ts, but not the bad Zs or Ps. So it's not the T>Z>P>T that drives the unequal distribution, but the fact that mediocre Zs and Ps can advance on their mirror matchups.

I made a little monte-carlo-esque simulation of it. And if you accept that the volatility of is highest in PvP and lowest in TvT, you will see that Ts win most tourneys, and Ps the least.

analysis: https://repl.it/repls/TinyMadeupCopycat
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
February 22 2019 16:52 GMT
#227
On February 01 2019 22:07 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2019 17:42 hitthat wrote:
Tesagi does exist! It's because we, terran master race, are the apex organisms in the Galaxy, while Zergs are the rags we wipe the floors, and Protoss are a funny space humpty dumpties that even have no mouth.


Lore-wise, Terrans should be the least dominating of the three races. Protoss are clearly the more technical advanced humanoid race and the Zerg Swarm has nearly unlimited amounts of troops, the ability to evolve and adapt into any environmental and strategical nessecity, plus ultimate control by the overmind/kerrigan.

So, in short i think lore-wise zerg and protoss are at pari, both also representing two different aspects of the master race, xel naga, while terran is perhaps most agressive in space colonisation but technological the least developed.

(In my consideration im leaving the sc2 plotline out intentionally, because i consider it not canonic due to various reasons)


There's no way that Terrans expand more aggressively than the Zerg
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-22 17:15:22
February 22 2019 17:11 GMT
#228
On February 03 2019 22:28 Navane wrote:
One of the comments here suggested that maybe the perceived T dominance in tournaments is due the relative volatilities of the mirror matchups. I like this hypothesis because its so mathematical.

In TvT, there is little volatility; the better player usually wins. ZvZ is known for its high volatility, people call it a rock-paper-scissor matchup, highly depended on chance. Also PvP sees many wins when the players open 2gate-obs, 3gate or DTs (2gate-obs > DTs > 3gate > 2gate-obs).

The idea is that the mirror matchups shake out the bad Ts, but not the bad Zs or Ps. So it's not the T>Z>P>T that drives the unequal distribution, but the fact that mediocre Zs and Ps can advance on their mirror matchups.

I made a little monte-carlo-esque simulation of it. And if you accept that the volatility of is highest in PvP and lowest in TvT, you will see that Ts win most tourneys, and Ps the least.

analysis: https://repl.it/repls/TinyMadeupCopycat
Thing is, zvz and pvp volatility has been overstated. Top level zvz players players pull out as consistent results as terrans in mirrors, pvp too. Remember bisus like, 80% pvp record over the course of a year? 2009~ i think

edit: 36 wins - 7 losses (83.72%) from 2008-12-03 to 2009-10-28

obviously bisus superlative and so was jaedong but its not as if the players below them had results indicative of randomness or high volatility, you have players with years of consistent and explicable results.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1408 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-22 17:17:23
February 22 2019 17:14 GMT
#229
On February 01 2019 22:07 Cele wrote:

Lore-wise, Terrans should be the least dominating of the three races. Protoss are clearly the more technical advanced humanoid race and the Zerg Swarm has nearly unlimited amounts of troops, the ability to evolve and adapt into any environmental and strategical nessecity, plus ultimate control by the overmind/kerrigan.


(This is not a thread about lore but as you brought it up): What does "more technologically advanced" mean? At least one has to consider that there are different fields where a race can be more or less advanced on.

I always find it funny when in films/games it's the blaster-weapon/psy-magic-users who're labeled "more advanced" when none of them came up with anything as destructive as firearms, meaning gunpowder and bullets, rockets (not to mention nukes). The latter are probably more wasteful in terms of resources but what effs if you can colonize and mine on infinite planets?

As for Zergs, they're obviously on "kill it with fire"-level.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
February 22 2019 17:59 GMT
#230
On February 23 2019 02:14 Highgamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2019 22:07 Cele wrote:

Lore-wise, Terrans should be the least dominating of the three races. Protoss are clearly the more technical advanced humanoid race and the Zerg Swarm has nearly unlimited amounts of troops, the ability to evolve and adapt into any environmental and strategical nessecity, plus ultimate control by the overmind/kerrigan.


(This is not a thread about lore but as you brought it up): What does "more technologically advanced" mean? At least one has to consider that there are different fields where a race can be more or less advanced on.

I always find it funny when in films/games it's the blaster-weapon/psy-magic-users who're labeled "more advanced" when none of them came up with anything as destructive as firearms, meaning gunpowder and bullets, rockets (not to mention nukes). The latter are probably more wasteful in terms of resources but what effs if you can colonize and mine on infinite planets?

As for Zergs, they're obviously on "kill it with fire"-level.


yeah i agree, it's a common cliche in sci-fi films/games that the alien race with the psy/laser tech is more advanced. But Broodwar is just serving it, don't you think?

@Voddy: fair point. Zerg is clearly depicted as the most expansive race in the universe.
Broodwar for life!
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1408 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 01:13:23
February 22 2019 19:28 GMT
#231
On February 23 2019 02:59 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2019 02:14 Highgamer wrote:
On February 01 2019 22:07 Cele wrote:

Lore-wise, Terrans should be the least dominating of the three races. Protoss are clearly the more technical advanced humanoid race and the Zerg Swarm has nearly unlimited amounts of troops, the ability to evolve and adapt into any environmental and strategical nessecity, plus ultimate control by the overmind/kerrigan.


(This is not a thread about lore but as you brought it up): What does "more technologically advanced" mean? At least one has to consider that there are different fields where a race can be more or less advanced on.

I always find it funny when in films/games it's the blaster-weapon/psy-magic-users who're labeled "more advanced" when none of them came up with anything as destructive as firearms, meaning gunpowder and bullets, rockets (not to mention nukes). The latter are probably more wasteful in terms of resources but what effs if you can colonize and mine on infinite planets?

As for Zergs, they're obviously on "kill it with fire"-level.


yeah i agree, it's a common cliche in sci-fi films/games that the alien race with the psy/laser tech is more advanced. But Broodwar is just serving it, don't you think?



Yeah, I admit the warping stuff in and recall-teleporting shit is kind of imbala advanced.
1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
February 23 2019 03:03 GMT
#232
Great job on this write-up!

This is off-topic but related, apologies if this is not the correct place to ask this:

Tinyland had translated a video in the past about Iris (a.k.a. Berserker) talking to his stream about Tesagi, listing all of the things that Terran has that is Tesagi. He starts with one or two and slowly adds more as his chat brings more things up. Does anyone know if I can find that somewhere? I remember it was hilarious to watch.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
February 23 2019 03:12 GMT
#233
still no.
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IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
March 13 2019 18:08 GMT
#234
I'm going to coin the term, the Flash Effect here and the name gives you the gist of it. When Flash returned to the scene in 2016, his return was a huge boon for the Terran race. He helped move the meta along, refining builds such as the 5 rax +1 and the 1-1-1 while he showed fantastic gameplay and made decisions that were far beyond that of even the best Terrans at the time.

In economics this would be called spillover.
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