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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
September 20 2018 05:25 GMT
#41
On September 20 2018 12:08 Moopower wrote:
When will we ever get more PvZ specialists?


Hmmm.. specialist(s)? Plural? Other than Bisu have we really had another good PvZ'er? :D
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TT1
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Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-09 12:08:45
October 09 2018 11:47 GMT
#42
hmm.. ^.^
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
October 09 2018 12:37 GMT
#43
On October 09 2018 20:47 TT1 wrote:
hmm.. ^.^

That's seriously tough because you have to start looking for snipers and not overall stats. There may be protoss players with few games played but were always sent versus Zerg. To put is simply though, no one even makes a close second. (P)Movie and (P)Stats have the second highest elo versus Zerg which is incredible because they spent less time in the Kespa Scene then other protoss players.

If you have to choose a close second I'd have to say it's (P)Stats. He has an 8 game win streak versus Zerg, but if you narrow the criteria to just team league he has an incredible 11 game win streak versus Zerg in 2011. Too add some gravy to this stat, this streak equals the highest team league vs Zerg streak by Flash and Jaedong. I'm sure Letmelose would have an interesting take on this, but that's my best analysis.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 09 2018 12:45 GMT
#44
I think the major reason for a lack of PvZ specialists is in Proleague it made more sense to try and snipe a zerg with a Terran than it did a Protoss. Same reason there's lots of ZvP specialists and very few ZvT specialists, made more sense to send a protoss against a terran than it did a zerg.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
October 09 2018 13:33 GMT
#45
On October 09 2018 21:45 Qikz wrote:
I think the major reason for a lack of PvZ specialists is in Proleague it made more sense to try and snipe a zerg with a Terran than it did a Protoss. Same reason there's lots of ZvP specialists and very few ZvT specialists, made more sense to send a protoss against a terran than it did a zerg.

That's true, but the very talented players in specific matchups established a name regardless. Like Soulkey being a ZvT specialist. I guess it's amazing to me that I could name 2-3 more Zergs that excel at ZvT yet the list ends with Bisu in PvZ lol.
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
October 09 2018 13:38 GMT
#46
On September 20 2018 14:25 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2018 12:08 Moopower wrote:
When will we ever get more PvZ specialists?


Hmmm.. specialist(s)? Plural? Other than Bisu have we really had another good PvZ'er? :D


From a historical perspective, GARIMTO in his prime was a godly protoss-versus-zerg player, thanks to his famed early zealot micro-management (he once said he used to purposefully avoided dragoon first builds in the protoss-versus-terran match-up because he loved zealots so much). He did win his first ever OGN StarLeague in 2000 thanks to his insane protoss-versus-zerg abilities.
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1566 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-09 20:55:31
October 09 2018 16:39 GMT
#47
The major reason for a lack of pvz "specialists" is that the actual top zergs are stronger than them simple as that. Effort Jaedong are on a league beyond all current protoss. So it is no surprise that as soon as they are in good shape their opponent are no match. I think it was + Show Spoiler [Ro8 spoilers] +
made pretty clear watching Rain vs Jaedong and now Effort, it was like crocodile versus chihuahua
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10160 Posts
October 09 2018 20:13 GMT
#48
On October 09 2018 20:47 TT1 wrote:
hmm.. ^.^

You also realize that EffORt managed to choke every Ro24 and Ro16 before this ASL right?
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 09 2018 20:55 GMT
#49
Guys, please avoid spoilers in this thread or use spoiler tags!
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