not sold on the mandatory female player thing though, do they have enough skilled female players? (toss girl is the only one that comes to mind). will female players also be playing against male players? or are they just restricted to female vs female games? what about 2v2? will that be coming back?
lol female players. but other than that fuck yeah!
also interesting to see the old teams formed again but without sponsors..does britney hope to re-attract those same companies or is this just nostalgia...
Really interesting that he's allowed to use the old team logos / likeness in this. I guess KeSPA doesn't have any interest in shutting it down, not that they necessarily even technically could. Britney's hitting me in the nostalgia feels with all those graphics coming in with old Proleague and/or OSL intro music.
I hope that this becomes successful so that it's also offline and the prize money goes up. 10k is low for a teamleague but if they get more sponsors, who knows. I'm not sure if using the old logos would benefit the league. Wouldn't it make more sense to try and get new sponsors to fund the teams?
And how will they divide the players? Oh, I see. Like the days of old.
dang, I really wanted to see an offline version of this. Since there's a lot more starpower on each match day and fans grow attached to teams, I think they could have packed the studio consistently. Still enough BW interest in Korea. One day~
On May 29 2018 12:21 FyRe_DragOn wrote: lol female players. but other than that fuck yeah!
...what?
just looking forward to all the great games well have between these female ex pros. Im sure theyre going to be happy reuniting with the teammates they practiced and lived with for years on SKT/KT/CJ etc
Am I the only one who's disappointed that this isn't offline? ATB was great and it saddens me that there's no signs of it ever coming back. We could've been on the 4th one now :/
Still, an online proleague could be fun and hopefully, it shows there's enough support to make it offline in the near future.
On May 29 2018 13:59 BigFan wrote: Am I the only one who's disappointed that this isn't offline? ATB was great and it saddens me that there's no signs of it ever coming back. We could've been on the 4th one now :/
Still, an online proleague could be fun and hopefully, it shows there's enough support to make it offline in the near future.
Yeah, hopefully at least the finals will be offline
This is wonderful, can't wait to see another Korean BW team league. I have to say, the forced inclusion of female players seems a little tacky, but in a scene like BW I guess we should just be thankful that any effort at all is being made to shine the spotlight on lesser known players.
Btw, as much as I understand the publicity stunt they're pulling off by enforcing female vs female matches, I can't help but feel the scene would benefit more had they chosen to draft amateurs into the team rosters.
On May 29 2018 14:46 Bakuryu wrote: (based on the graphic of the 11 teams) they are missing a 12th team, lets revive Foreign Allstar Team (FAT) we have Cadenzie
On May 29 2018 14:46 Bakuryu wrote: (based on the graphic of the 11 teams) they are missing a 12th team, lets revive Foreign Allstar Team (FAT) we have Cadenzie
On May 29 2018 14:46 Bakuryu wrote: (based on the graphic of the 11 teams) they are missing a 12th team, lets revive Foreign Allstar Team (FAT) we have Cadenzie
On May 29 2018 14:46 Bakuryu wrote: (based on the graphic of the 11 teams) they are missing a 12th team, lets revive Foreign Allstar Team (FAT) we have Cadenzie
ahah YES please
Ahhh a foreign bw team would be soo cool. Quick question though; could Scan be on it?
Someone write a letter to Britney asking for a team of foreigners to participate. And Cancerx will translate it.
Mention that, - several top foreigners recently took games of top Koreans Koget 2-3 Shinee Eonzerg 2-1 Miso Terror 2-1 Larva I'm sure there are more results I'm not aware of, I think Dewalt beat Free also? - we have a good female player Cadenzie who played ASL qualifiers and took a game of `nexusboy`
There is almost no chance he will accept of course but it doesn't cost anything to try. We need to do it now as it just got announced or it will be too late.
My English is a struggle and I'm bad at writing that's why I'm asking.
Exciting stuff. Kinda weird to see that there's no real concrete start date when early June starts in like 2 days.
The Female match sounds very exciting, I like how high stakes it is.
I dream we get the Tossgirl vs. Zerggirl showmuch we deserve.
On May 29 2018 14:39 Ziggy wrote: Btw, as much as I understand the publicity stunt they're pulling off by enforcing female vs female matches, I can't help but feel the scene would benefit more had they chosen to draft amateurs into the team rosters.
We'll see with the full rosters coming out. I'd imagine there would be room for amateurs with people going in and out of the military.
On May 29 2018 19:08 HaN- wrote: Someone write a letter to Britney asking for a team of foreigners to participate. And Cancerx will translate it.
Mention that, - several top foreigners recently took games of top Koreans Koget 2-3 Shinee Eonzerg 2-1 Miso Terror 2-1 Larva I'm sure there are more results I'm not aware of, I think Dewalt beat Free also? - we have a good female player Cadenzie who played ASL qualifiers and took a game of `nexusboy`
There is almost no chance he will accept of course but it doesn't cost anything to try. We need to do it now as it just got announced or it will be too late.
My English is a struggle and I'm bad at writing that's why I'm asking.
All I can think of is lag. And I don't believe anyone wants to deal with lag issues other than Peruvians who might not know any better.
On May 29 2018 19:08 HaN- wrote: Someone write a letter to Britney asking for a team of foreigners to participate. And Cancerx will translate it.
Mention that, - several top foreigners recently took games of top Koreans Koget 2-3 Shinee Eonzerg 2-1 Miso Terror 2-1 Larva I'm sure there are more results I'm not aware of, I think Dewalt beat Free also? - we have a good female player Cadenzie who played ASL qualifiers and took a game of `nexusboy`
There is almost no chance he will accept of course but it doesn't cost anything to try. We need to do it now as it just got announced or it will be too late.
My English is a struggle and I'm bad at writing that's why I'm asking.
All I can think of is lag. And I don't believe anyone wants to deal with lag issues other than Peruvians who might not know any better.
They really should make new teams, OZ has two players? :D I get that this is also about nostalgia, but at the end of the day the teams should be somewhat competitive for it to be fun.
On May 29 2018 19:08 HaN- wrote: Someone write a letter to Britney asking for a team of foreigners to participate. And Cancerx will translate it.
Mention that, - several top foreigners recently took games of top Koreans Koget 2-3 Shinee Eonzerg 2-1 Miso Terror 2-1 Larva I'm sure there are more results I'm not aware of, I think Dewalt beat Free also? - we have a good female player Cadenzie who played ASL qualifiers and took a game of `nexusboy`
There is almost no chance he will accept of course but it doesn't cost anything to try. We need to do it now as it just got announced or it will be too late.
My English is a struggle and I'm bad at writing that's why I'm asking.
All I can think of is lag. And I don't believe anyone wants to deal with lag issues other than Peruvians who might not know any better.
On May 29 2018 22:19 Cryoc wrote: This female vs female match finally explains why so many pros on afreeca are teaching female streamers how to play BW in the recent weeks.
On May 29 2018 23:22 BisuDagger wrote: Seriously someone reach out and ask how much to sponsor team FAT in this please and message me please.
Hell yeah. If this is completely offline, then there has to be a way for to get a foreigner team going. Ret, Draco, Leg, eon, Koget, Dragon, Baku, Telecom, Terror, Trutacz, Sziky, Cryoc, Michael, there's too many to list.
OP says Online Only. I really don't think it will credit TL/foreigners well considering different timezones and BWs notorious latency issues. I'd love to see foreigners compete with Koreans, but not online. Offline is next to impossible unless the full tourney is held during a weekend. And even then I imagine we would need to set up a big community sponsoring action to get our players to Korea.
On May 29 2018 13:59 BigFan wrote: Am I the only one who's disappointed that this isn't offline? ATB was great and it saddens me that there's no signs of it ever coming back. We could've been on the 4th one now :/
Still, an online proleague could be fun and hopefully, it shows there's enough support to make it offline in the near future.
Was very sad. But since this online only, this might allow for an all foreigner team? =)
On May 29 2018 22:19 Cryoc wrote: This female vs female match finally explains why so many pros on afreeca are teaching female streamers how to play BW in the recent weeks.
I'm curious; like who?
I saw Jaedong, Mind, Action and I think Mong teaching and their students are also playing versus each other and there were some Protoss students too, so they surely have pro players teaching them, too.
On May 29 2018 14:46 Bakuryu wrote: (based on the graphic of the 11 teams) they are missing a 12th team, lets revive Foreign Allstar Team (FAT) we have Cadenzie
This
This would actually be fucking awesome, especially since it's all online. I wonder if there is any legitimate chance of it happening?
On May 29 2018 14:46 Bakuryu wrote: (based on the graphic of the 11 teams) they are missing a 12th team, lets revive Foreign Allstar Team (FAT) we have Cadenzie
This
This would actually be fucking awesome, especially since it's all online. I wonder if there is any legitimate chance of it happening?
Highly doubt it. The idea behind this new PL is to have some nice games and get that atmosphere/those nostalgic feelings back. Adding a new team which is likely to have some lag issues (Koreans want TR24 after all) is unlikely imo. Still, who knows. Maybe Brittney will go for it.
On May 29 2018 14:46 Bakuryu wrote: (based on the graphic of the 11 teams) they are missing a 12th team, lets revive Foreign Allstar Team (FAT) we have Cadenzie
This
This would actually be fucking awesome, especially since it's all online. I wonder if there is any legitimate chance of it happening?
thanks to blizzard and their TR24 i dont see it happening. for koreans now something besides TR24 is just impossible.
On May 29 2018 14:46 Bakuryu wrote: (based on the graphic of the 11 teams) they are missing a 12th team, lets revive Foreign Allstar Team (FAT) we have Cadenzie
This
This would actually be fucking awesome, especially since it's all online. I wonder if there is any legitimate chance of it happening?
thanks to blizzard and their TR24 i dont see it happening. for koreans now something besides TR24 is just impossible.
well even if they dont want us in the league, maybe we can settle on a exhibition match since one team has a bye per week?
I'm potentially excited about the 12 teams...since it means they are going to need ALOT of lower tier ex pros/BTeamers and amateurs. If it's Bo5, that means you need 55-60 players at a minimum, which means at least half or so ought to be new blood with good opportunities.
Now if they Bo3 or have a silly format, that would be a little more disappointing.
On May 30 2018 03:08 youngjiddle wrote: Anything that isn't offline isn't a huge deal. I thought this was announcement was bigger news but I guess not.
I disagree. You can't have offline proleague. It's far too many matches, with too many people, on different days when everyone is living over the country. Unless true professional teams made a comeback I can't envision you getting 30+ of these guys to make trips with a weekly or greater frequency to one of the Afreeca studios.
It's not going to be as big as ASL, but depending on format and how it ends up being viewed, it could be significantly bigger than any other event.
my korean friend told me that jaedong and flash are both training one female player each and they're both worse than me, so basically the girl matches are gonna be a freakshow which sucks
On May 30 2018 06:15 rauk wrote: my korean friend told me that jaedong and flash are both training one female player each and they're both worse than me, so basically the girl matches are gonna be a freakshow which sucks
On May 30 2018 11:33 BLinD-RawR wrote: a world where STX is the strongest team.
I guess those 6 fans of STX can be happy.
I'm not sure STX is neccessarily stronger than SKT. Depends on the format. Best is a very solid protoss, Larva is one of the best zergs, and Rain is the current best protoss and most recent ASL champion.
Terror, Calm, and Notice basically don't add anything. Obviously herO is pretty damn good. Mini has been strong lately. Last is good, but I don't think I'd consider him better than Rain or Larva overall atm. Shuttle is decent, but nothing special.
I'd probably give the edge to STX currently, but it's not a blatant advantage in my opinion.
On May 30 2018 00:36 Jeremy Reimer wrote: This sounds awesome. Team Oz is a little short on players, maybe they should recruit MustacheZerg, PirateZerg, and OzSucksBallsWithoutMe?
looks like Horang2 and Leta have their races swapped?
It might have just been unconverted from the converter, which I think looks at SC2 as default, where IIRC Leta played Protoss. I don't recall Horang2 ever playing SC2 but that might be the same?
On May 30 2018 19:24 thezanursic wrote: I don't like forcing female games, we will just get lower quality of game.
Seems like a publicity stunt rather than anything else
Well to increase their quality you have to participate in the competition and give them an environment to improve their skills.
Example:the same is it with english football players in the Premier League.they dont get alot opportunities to play in a match and the work load in the season is to high.One of the reason why the English national team dont produce good results at the WC.
On May 30 2018 19:24 thezanursic wrote: I don't like forcing female games, we will just get lower quality of game.
Seems like a publicity stunt rather than anything else
Well to increase their quality you have to participate in the competition and give them an environment to improve their skills.
Example:the same is it with english football players in the Premier League.they dont get alot opportunities to play in a match and the work load in the season is to high.One of the reason why the English national team dont produce good results at the WC.
Progamers like Bisu, Jaedong, Flash, etc. all had to get good enough to become progamers on their own time before they could compete in events like proleague. You're putting the cart before the horse, for what reason?
On May 30 2018 19:24 thezanursic wrote: I don't like forcing female games, we will just get lower quality of game.
Seems like a publicity stunt rather than anything else
Well to increase their quality you have to participate in the competition and give them an environment to improve their skills.
Example:the same is it with english football players in the Premier League.they dont get alot opportunities to play in a match and the work load in the season is to high.One of the reason why the English national team dont produce good results at the WC.
Hahaha these aren't like semi-pro or amateur level players. They are 1000 mmr novice players. I think it'll still be entertaining though. Think floating 3k minerals on 2 base level players.
On May 30 2018 19:24 thezanursic wrote: I don't like forcing female games, we will just get lower quality of game.
Seems like a publicity stunt rather than anything else
Well to increase their quality you have to participate in the competition and give them an environment to improve their skills.
Example:the same is it with english football players in the Premier League.they dont get alot opportunities to play in a match and the work load in the season is to high.One of the reason why the English national team dont produce good results at the WC.
Hahaha these aren't like semi-pro or amateur level players. They are 1000 mmr novice players. I think it'll still be entertaining though. Think floating 3k minerals on 2 base level players.
Do you have a insight on the korean female scene, or do you know the female participants? Because there might be some solid female koreans out there. I wouldn't judge to fast. Sure its very unlikely they are as good as the males, still...
On May 29 2018 12:21 FyRe_DragOn wrote: lol female players. but other than that fuck yeah!
...what?
just looking forward to all the great games well have between these female ex pros. Im sure theyre going to be happy reuniting with the teammates they practiced and lived with for years on SKT/KT/CJ etc
I think I'm actually looking forward to the female games the most just because there's gonna be new players, and new talent will be both exciting and much needed.
im guessing popular female BJs would be playing. cheap move but ok, i guess that will help bring in the viewers. prepare for shit games. might as well make the rest of the tournament FFA or 3v3 or w/e. not feeling this.
On May 31 2018 06:14 orvinreyes wrote: im guessing popular female BJs would be playing. cheap move but ok, i guess that will help bring in the viewers. prepare for shit games. might as well make the rest of the tournament FFA or 3v3 or w/e. not feeling this.
That's too harsh imo. This is still the top of the top playing in this tour and this is still the new proleague. Having one match for fanfare and popularity reasons, as well as appealing to noobs, isn't a reason to toss out the entire thing altogether.
On May 29 2018 12:21 FyRe_DragOn wrote: lol female players. but other than that fuck yeah!
...what?
just looking forward to all the great games well have between these female ex pros. Im sure theyre going to be happy reuniting with the teammates they practiced and lived with for years on SKT/KT/CJ etc
I think I'm actually looking forward to the female games the most just because there's gonna be new players, and new talent will be both exciting and much needed.
On June 01 2018 03:27 Garnet wrote: Can't wait to see the females. A bit sad there are no new bloods.
The teams will almost certainly have to be evened out playerwise, right? Meaning that those people will have to find people to add to the respective teams. I refuse to believe they have a 2 man team + 1 girl for an entire league.
On May 31 2018 06:14 orvinreyes wrote: im guessing popular female BJs would be playing. cheap move but ok, i guess that will help bring in the viewers. prepare for shit games. might as well make the rest of the tournament FFA or 3v3 or w/e. not feeling this.
That's too harsh imo. This is still the top of the top playing in this tour and this is still the new proleague. Having one match for fanfare and popularity reasons, as well as appealing to noobs, isn't a reason to toss out the entire thing altogether.
Fair enough. Ofc, deep down I hope this goes really well.
On June 02 2018 01:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: What does that mean in detail? I would assume they simply are ok with it but not really sponsor the league, etc?
It means that relevant company won't shaft this team league.
On June 02 2018 01:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: What does that mean in detail? I would assume they simply are ok with it but not really sponsor the league, etc?
It means that relevant company won't shaft this team league.
On June 02 2018 01:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: What does that mean in detail? I would assume they simply are ok with it but not really sponsor the league, etc?
It means we can expect a forced switch to SC2 soon
On June 03 2018 05:05 TS wrote: I wish KlazartSC also returned to give us English commentary. I have always found his commentary the most exciting and genuine, I really miss him.
God YES! I loved him, so passionate. Also funny with his off topic talks. If i remember right he gave it up for good though Real life reasons. But also i suspect when his favourite player Savior got disgraced he got sad
On May 29 2018 12:21 FyRe_DragOn wrote: lol female players. but other than that fuck yeah!
...what?
just looking forward to all the great games well have between these female ex pros. Im sure theyre going to be happy reuniting with the teammates they practiced and lived with for years on SKT/KT/CJ etc
I think I'm actually looking forward to the female games the most just because there's gonna be new players, and new talent will be both exciting and much needed.
Man if BW was popular in Mexico we could have had midgets instead.
I don't know who's playing today, but it's time to take this back to 2009+ me.
SKT BEST KT LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Proleague was always my favourite part of Pro Broodwar. Yeah FanTaSy is my favourite player ever, but there was something about following SKT that made me feel like I was part of 1 big family. All the SKT fans on here all cheering for the same people as me and every single game mattering. I really hope this is a huge success.
Trying to predict the results of MPL seems next to impossible to me considering the introduction of infrequently used maps, utilization of female streamers, and varying dedication levels of the ex-professionals as of late.
On May 29 2018 14:27 SchAmToo wrote: Pretty cool idea! I like the inclusivity being added in there.
Let's see how this goes
you're not gonna like Korean/Afreeca's version of "inclusion"
Can someone explain this remark for those not in the know?
I'm only guessing, but I could imagine Wax is hinting at the inclusion here being, in practice, more so a form of exclusion. That is, the women are brought in more as exotic objects, the others if you will, not so much as legitimate players. If this is the case, then it may be argued that it only further demarcates professional BW as a men's field in which women are seen as outsiders or curiosities.
The motivations may be good, if it as an effort to promote women as equals in BW, but in practice BW is such a hypermasculine form of culture that it might well turn out ugly. The ugly turn of events may be the spectators interpreting the women's games as secondary, as circus, as a form of sexual entertainment etc. ("Omg hot girl!") Of course it'd be much more desirable an outcome if what happens is that women are empowered to attend the masculine field and as a response the field changes, too. One form of changing the masculine field of BW may be abstaining from treating (here, elsewhere) the women players as if they were objects (of desire etc.) and more as player-subjects in their own right. We'll see.
I watched the announcement and the group selection live last night.
I can't remember everything but I will post whatever I recall.
SK T1: Best, Hyuk, Rain, Larva STX Soul: Last, Shuttle, Mini, Calm and Honorary Member Terror[fOu] aka ChulGu KT Rolster: Flash, Reach, Action, Mind Woongjin Stars: SeaGuemChi, Light, Organ, SoulKey (I forgot his OG Bnet ID) CJ Entus: Effort, Miso, Snow, SkyHigh, Mong, Rush Sparkyz: Leta, Zeus, Horang2, Oz, Tazza (LoL Progay as well) Team 8: Sea, JD, By.Hero, Movie Samsung Khan: Stork, Firebathero, Sharp, Shine
Above are the list of players and teams. There are also female gamers (Female streamers) and 1 per team.
I can't recall all of them but set 2 will be female vs female mandatory games.
Opening match will be Samsung vs Sparkyz on June 6th at 10pm (Korea time).
On June 04 2018 07:28 ne4aJIb wrote: why movie is not in cj?
Probably because CJ has too many players (as they did before) and they needed someone to fill in. He also finished pro BW on Team 8.
"On May 7th, 2012, KeSPA informed the public via their website that Movie had transferred from CJ Entus to Team 8 per his request, after a poor performance in the 2011-2012 Proleague Season 1"
On June 05 2018 14:17 GGzerG wrote: im so confused, wasn't MBC on there originally and now it's removed?
Indeed MBC HERO, AirForce Ace, WeMade FOX, and Hwaseung OZ were all shown being part of the league in Britney's original stream. Only reason I can think why they were removed is lack of participating players to fill those rosters.
Is there a way for us non-korean fans to watch all the games from a central source? I understand that there's no english cast for this and navigating through afreecatv is really hard.
Even a liquipedia page for the proleague would be really helpful
On June 07 2018 02:04 SuperCyan wrote: Is there a way for us non-korean fans to watch all the games from a central source? I understand that there's no english cast for this and navigating through afreecatv is really hard.
Even a liquipedia page for the proleague would be really helpful
On June 07 2018 02:04 SuperCyan wrote: Is there a way for us non-korean fans to watch all the games from a central source? I understand that there's no english cast for this and navigating through afreecatv is really hard.
Even a liquipedia page for the proleague would be really helpful
EPT
Flash 
Jaedong and 
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