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UnderGroUndZerG
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden22 Posts
July 01 2003 13:48 GMT
#21
Greedy sons of bitches. They don't play for the fun, the joy in the game. They only play is for green dollar bills. It's discusting! If they don't wanne appear to next show fine. Who cares? There are 10 000 others who would die to replace them.

Shame on all of you! 60 000$ for 3months? My familie dont even make 200 000$ a year.

I piss on your demands! Go back to school! Get a life!
But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light. - Zeratul
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
July 01 2003 14:23 GMT
#22
On July 01 2003 22:48 UnderGroUndZerG wrote:
Greedy sons of bitches. They don't play for the fun, the joy in the game. They only play is for green dollar bills. It's discusting! If they don't wanne appear to next show fine. Who cares? There are 10 000 others who would die to replace them.

Shame on all of you! 60 000$ for 3months? My familie dont even make 200 000$ a year.

I piss on your demands! Go back to school! Get a life!


Dude, it's what they are doing for a living! They can't just say "blah, it's still fun, who cares." They need to make money! And the 60,000 USD prize for the Team League is for the whole group of players, not just one person.

This is what I posted on WGTour, slightly more indepth.

You people don't seem to get that not every pro-gamer makes a lot of money like Boxer or Nada. Most only get free food, lodging and practice. No real money to spend except meager apperance fees here and there. Since they didn't write the WGTour post like Wax did on TeamLiquid, here are the demands and how reasonable they are.

- 60,000 dollar prize for winning the Team League -
This is very reasonable, the Team League is damn hard to win! Also, this is for the whole Pro-Gaming team.

- VOD service shut down, since the gamers get no compensation for it. -
This is bullshit, there is nothing wrong with the VOD service and it's just greed by the gamers.

- Appearence fees increased from 150 USD to 400 USD. -
MBC Game supposedly can't pay appearence fees that high. I'm not sure though wether it's per player of for the whole team to show. Either way, if MBC can't pay the 400, then an amount like 250-300 USD might be more reasonable.

I agree that yes, MBC is jipping them, but some of this stuff is just crazy.
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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
July 01 2003 14:57 GMT
#23
We'll be seeing the same type of stuff for Ongamenet too I bet pretty soon.
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
July 01 2003 15:15 GMT
#24
For the record: the 60K is NOT for the Team League. It's the TOTAL prize money to be disbursed to ALL participants (altho, obviously, the higher placed finishers will get more) in a "3-month Starleague," NOT the Team League. 60K to the winner of the TEAM LEAGUE is a ridiculously high amount and cannot be justified under the current business environment: it would roughly work out to nearly 10K for EACH player on a Team! That's NOT what the KPGA wants.

Just setting the record straight because there seems to be some confusion about this.
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UnderGroUndZerG
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden22 Posts
July 01 2003 18:02 GMT
#25
You can be a progamer and have a part time job. And the social service could help too. They don't need all that money.
But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light. - Zeratul
RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
July 01 2003 19:22 GMT
#26
You see, even if there are 10,000 gamers to replace them, no way in hell will they make as much money with Ads and ticket sales unless they have the best of the best, and the progamers know this.
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mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
July 01 2003 21:16 GMT
#27
On July 01 2003 22:48 UnderGroUndZerG wrote:
Greedy sons of bitches. They don't play for the fun, the joy in the game. They only play is for green dollar bills. It's discusting! If they don't wanne appear to next show fine. Who cares? There are 10 000 others who would die to replace them.

Shame on all of you! 60 000$ for 3months? My familie dont even make 200 000$ a year.

I piss on your demands! Go back to school! Get a life!



On July 02 2003 03:02 UnderGroUndZerG wrote:
You can be a progamer and have a part time job. And the social service could help too. They don't need all that money.





Joy in the game?! Social service?! They don't need ALL that money?!

Geezus fuck sakes, kid. Just shut the fuck up. You have no idea just how ignorant you just sounded. I won't even waste my time explaining to you why your self-righteous idealism's misplaced by about 5 billion light-years.
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
PeterDLai
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States924 Posts
July 01 2003 21:25 GMT
#28
Ohh mensrea's explanation helps. Now it seems more reasonable.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33660 Posts
July 01 2003 23:49 GMT
#29
rea, I thought you'd discover the sarcasm in the first post you replied too -.-;;
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ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-07-02 01:00:47
July 02 2003 01:00 GMT
#30
no, 15000 showed up for boxer-reach
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ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-07-02 01:15:02
July 02 2003 01:14 GMT
#31
On July 01 2003 19:22 hasuwar wrote:
wow, x 5? That's a little stiff..that is a poor country, too


people should get something straight about korea...yes, cost of living for an average korean is very low. i think $10,000 a year and you can support yourself. however, you ignorant retards, this doesnt mean that most koreans income very low and that korea is a poor country. low cost of living != poor country == "everyone is poor" i'm sure that in many european countries, the cost of living is not even close to the US, but nobody is calling those countries poor. besides, many of my korean friends are very well off by korean standards, meaning their parents making several hundreds of thousands a year. yes, in america, they are "only" well off, but in korea they're rich, but so what? honestly, it doesnt really matter what the cost of living in another country is, unless you make your money in one country and live in another. and if you want to get even pickier, some of my friends' parents make several million a year, which is rich by any standard.

and to people who say that the pro-gamers are idiots for striking, look at MLB and the NBA. They strike even though they make MILLIONS of dollars a year. richest pro gamers make less than $100,000. poorest pro bball, baseball players make what, $400,000? a million?

the lesson is, as exemplified in both points i made, is that its important to keep perspective.
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RazoR
Profile Joined December 2002
Australia119 Posts
July 02 2003 01:14 GMT
#32
Well i look at it this way. No 'one' makes these people to be a progamer, and they know its not a $$$$ business unless you are the top players. I think asking x5 then the oringal amount is just bad manner( i think x2 the oringal is acceptable). If MBC give in, who knows when they will go on strike again and ask for MORE money.


ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
July 02 2003 01:33 GMT
#33
razor, if you had a job and your pay was not commensurate with your productivity and output, would you just sit there and continue to take it up the ass? Assuming that your co-workers felt the same way you did, i seriously doubt you would, and if you didnt do anything about it, you're a pussy.
With that being said, I'm not saying that the pro-gamers are completely geting shafted. however, i'm sure that they have very good reason for demanding more money. i believe that they honestly just want an improvement in their lifestyle. even if they make enough money to sustain their current lifestyle and just want more money, I can empathize with that too. hypothetically, if MBC Game makes millions of dollars a year, mostly through their sc shows, then the players are clearly getting screwed, even if they make enough money to live decently. I think at the most fundamental level, its not about greed or standard of living but getting what they deserve.
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
July 02 2003 03:35 GMT
#34
Well seems a big change, maybe they will be ok with a 45K, but i think that the real problem is the concetration of bedget that the top 10 get... they get it all, BoXeR rots in money wile Bejje gets almost nothing.

more money and less concentrated, thats my opinion...

and keep the VODs or ill kick every pro asses!!!!

baal said.
Im back, in pog form!
z7-RaiN
Profile Joined January 2003
United States522 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-07-02 09:45:08
July 02 2003 09:43 GMT
#35
On July 02 2003 06:16 mensrea wrote:
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Joy in the game?! Social service?! They don't need ALL that money?!

Geezus fuck sakes, kid. Just shut the fuck up. You have no idea just how ignorant you just sounded. I won't even waste my time explaining to you why your self-righteous idealism's misplaced by about 5 billion light-years.



ouch.


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mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
July 02 2003 09:43 GMT
#36
On July 02 2003 08:49 Waxangel wrote:
rea, I thought you'd discover the sarcasm in the first post you replied too -.-;;


If there was any sarcasm, it wasn't apparent to anyone. Except you, of course.
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