EPTSoulkey at #9???
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sickkungen
Sweden179 Posts
Soulkey at #9??? | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
 ZerO? | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On December 02 2016 21:09 letian wrote: Hey, where is Zero lol? ...He won't be playing in ASL  . Lives too far away from the studio and can't afford to take the time or money to travel; also said he feels really bad when he's struggling with travel, plays badly, and then Afreeca chat insults him. It's a sucky situation to be in :/. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
!!! controversial !!! | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Now we only need liquibets  | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19368 Posts
* by,hero has had terrible results for almost two years, but is put above Mind who has performed better. *Soulkey, Jaedong, and Rain at 9, 10, & 11 is a HUGE insult to players that have actually earned results over the past several years. They need to all move down at least 4 spots. And how can we rank Soulkey so high without anything solid to back this up. Rain at least did well in the Thrill Starleague and Jaedong in GIGA. * Sea has dominated for 5 years now and had great tournament results (see online tournaments) yet is behind players who have no results * Free has had some of the best results as protoss second to only Bisu and Eyewater and owns some of the best PvT still. The fact that he is behind Rain is just wrong. * Stork is above Movie and BeSt even though Movie still randomly takes great results out of nowhere and BeSt had proven over the past year he's a pretty strong protoss too. Stork's giga matches prove nothing * Mong was at his best in 2014-2015 with decent results in 2016 yet we just tossed him down the stairs lol Here's my power rank. I'd say the top 3 are interchangeable, but this captures their ranks more closely. + Show Spoiler + 1. Last 2. Bisu 3. Flash 4. eyewater 5. effort 6. Mind 7. free 8. Sharp 9. Sea 10. Best 11. hero 12. Jaedong 13. Rain 14. Mong 15. Movie 16. larva 17. Soulkey 18. Light 19. Guemchi 20. Rush 21. Stork 22. Iris 23. Miso 24. Terror 25. Ample 26. Hint 27. force 28. By.maru | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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HaN-
France1920 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On December 02 2016 22:42 Cele wrote: i disagree with Flash being #1. Yeah he most likely will earn a top 3 spot soon enough, but he hasn't done so yet. He isn't a SOSPA/Afreeca Starleague Winner yet and past glory isn't enough in my book. How about having the highest win rate since he came to afreeca and having winning record vs all of the players? | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On December 02 2016 22:42 Cele wrote: i disagree with Flash being #1. Yeah he most likely will earn a top 3 spot soon enough, but he hasn't done so yet. He isn't a SOSPA/Afreeca Starleague Winner yet and past glory isn't enough in my book. Also rating shuttle, the current champion, on #5 ist just wrong, no matter what fancy words you use to explain it. There's no recent data of (big) tournaments to back that up and in my mind you need solid reasons to do so. Rating Jaedong above accomplished SOSPA Veterans like Sea, Larva, Mong seems wrong too. Yes he is the tyrant, but again you give him this spot for his prestige only, he has no achievements so far (not counting a third place in the TLBS Showmatch..) But reiterating my first statement, Flash on spot #1 isn't justifiable at all. Rating the player who was defeated 0-3 by Last in last ASL on the first place seems just off. Especially when you rate Last worse ^^ Overall, my first impression is this powerrank is based to much on hype and prestige of players and less on actual results. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On December 02 2016 22:49 classicyellow83 wrote: How about having the highest win rate since he came to afreeca and having winning record vs all of the players? sorry but i was thinking the power rank would be created under the same criteria as the iterations back in the ol' days: tournament success. Since when do we make his practice games prime consideration? Yeah things have changed since we see first person streams every day, im open to the idea of taking that into account. But i think, tournament successes should be weighed more, for a couple of reasons. Not gonna go into detail,since i think it's obvious for us where the difference is. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
Thanks for the power rank! | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On December 02 2016 22:49 Cele wrote: Also rating shuttle, the current champion, on #5 ist just wrong, no matter what fancy words you use to explain it. There's no recent data of (big) tournaments to back that up and in my mind you need solid reasons to do so. Rating Jaedong above accomplished SOSPA Veterans like Sea, Larva, Mong seems wrong too. Yes he is the tyrant, but again you give him this spot for his prestige only, he has no achievements so far (not counting a third place in the TLBS Showmatch..) But reiterating my first statement, Flash on spot #1 isn't justifiable at all. Rating the player who was defeated 0-3 by Last in last ASL on the first place seems just off. Especially when you rate Last worse ^^ Overall, my first impression is this powerrank is based to much on hype and prestige of players and less on actual results. The problem simply is that there aren't enough tournaments to make a power rank only using official results. You have to include other results as well. I don't see why results which area extremely old (talking about sospa events from >6 months ago) would be more relevant than recent baloon matches, etc As long as there aren't a lot of offline tournaments going on it's simply the best solution. You can still argue about the weighing of the results ofc | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On December 02 2016 22:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: The problem simply is that there aren't enough tournaments to make a power rank only using official results. You have to include other results as well. I don't see why results which area extremely old (talking about sospa events from >6 months ago) would be more relevant than recent baloon matches, etc As long as there aren't a lot of offline tournaments going on it's simply the best solution. You can still argue about the weighing of the results ofc agree with you on the point, but i think the weighing is the question here. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11287 Posts
On December 02 2016 19:12 classicyellow83 wrote: Sea was the one who nicknamed Last Alphago, not Flash. Thanks for confirming. There was a post earlier this year about when FlaSh watched Last's FPV, he went like "this guy truly like AlphaGo". So pretty much everyone thought he coined the nickname. I call bull on this PR. Stork should have been number 1. @BD * Sea has dominated for 5 years now and had great tournament results (see online tournaments) yet is behind players who have no results I highlighted the keyword which is the sole reason why he placed that low. xP | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19368 Posts
On December 02 2016 23:25 c3rberUs wrote: Thanks for confirming. There was a post earlier this year about when FlaSh watched Last's FPV, he went like "this guy truly like AlphaGo". So pretty much everyone thought he coined the nickname. I call bull on this PR. Stork should have been number 1. @BD I highlighted the keyword which is the sole reason why he placed that low. xP Behind players with zero results. And he was in the final four of the last ASL so he even did well offline. Behind jd, soulkey, and rain is completely wrong. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51097 Posts
And sea isn't playing with the fire that he used to have anymore | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On December 02 2016 21:14 SC2John wrote: ...He won't be playing in ASL . Lives too far away from the studio and can't afford to take the time or money to travel; also said he feels really bad when he's struggling with travel, plays badly, and then Afreeca chat insults him. It's a sucky situation to be in :/.That's also my situation. I wanted to achieve something at least before i serve the military service. | ||
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