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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On December 02 2016 21:39 ICanFlyLow wrote: Wasnt this guy all anti afreeca and scolded the players who streamed for Cash? Now he does it too.. He was never anti afreeca and he never scolded players who streamed for cash. All he said was that some of the BJs made progamers look bad. Which some do. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
edit - didn't see above post. thx | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
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Trozz
Canada3456 Posts
Or bow out like July did? Quite unexpected. | ||
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byj
494 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote: I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] + - 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요? ▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요. - Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
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Me_ToKa
Bulgaria309 Posts
On December 02 2016 17:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: they guy that hated afreeca and criticized other expros for doing it ^^ Yep.. Now I wanna see his face when he is accepting donations and bitching for more. Maybe we can see him without eyebrows too.. :D | ||
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noname_
461 Posts
On December 03 2016 05:56 byj wrote: Think people should just reread his statement about streaming... + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote: I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] + - 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요? ▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요. - Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that. Don`t all progamers do it for the sole purpose of money anyway? I`d bet. On December 03 2016 15:50 Me_ToKa wrote: Yep.. Now I wanna see his face when he is accepting donations and bitching for more. Maybe we can see him without eyebrows too.. :D :DDDD | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
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HaN-
France1920 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On December 03 2016 18:19 HaN- wrote: Who's next ? :D Only Fantasy at this point I believe. | ||
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IntoTheStorm
116 Posts
On December 03 2016 18:19 HaN- wrote: Who's next ? :D Fanta and jangbi, I hope. | ||
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marwin
Ukraine110 Posts
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toriak
Slovakia477 Posts
On December 04 2016 17:25 marwin wrote: Shinee vs Strok right now how do u know its stork/strok ? | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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kogeT
Poland2041 Posts
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marwin
Ukraine110 Posts
i(-.-)i Here's vod http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/15803494 starts @ 03:01:05 | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
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byj
494 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + A while back, I had a slight misunderstanding with the Brood War community. I was trying to criticize two specific groups of BW streamers – those who had been convicted of matchfixing, and those who had become a “stream monkey” ready to humiliate themselves and others nonstop just for the cash grab – but my words were quoted out of context; people thought I was looking down on all BW streamers, something I have never done. I tried to clear it up back then, but I know a lot of people, including some ex-BW pros, didn’t receive the memo. I hope I can clear it up for good this time during my first few weeks on Afreeca." | ||
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