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Bisutopia19384 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Os5fYUc.jpg) Come watch as Flash returns in KCM's 26th Weekly Legends Match!In this Race Survival, 3 Protoss, 3 Zerg, and 3 Terrans are pitted against each other! The event will be casted live in Korean on Thursday, May 05 11:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) by Chul-Min-Kim and again in English on Friday, May 06 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) by BisuDagger and AmazingKXCD. Also, for all unaware, there is less then 1 day for foreign Starcraft fans to show as much passion as ever. If you want to see much more of Flash and company, please donate to the IndieGoGo crowdfunding event Even just a single dollar from each veiwer of this thread will add up. Also, for anyone who can prove they made a donation, may post suggestion of what they'd like BisuDagger to do on stream as he attempts to go Terror level on a Special Event Stream (this will happen if the event reaches its goal). Please Donate here! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kcm-legend-match-race-survival--2#/Crowdfunding Discussion here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/507122-kcm-legends-match-crowdfunding-may-5-flash
Event Info:  KCM Legend MatchDATE : 2016.5.5 Thursday ( KST 20:30 CET 13:30 EDT 7:30) Broadcast team : KCM Chul-Min-Kim , Zeus Player : Terran :  Mind , Last , FlashProtoss :  Shuttle , Best , freeZerg :  ZerO , Larva , HyukRule : 1. Race survial will cast lots by KCM(ZvT, TvP, or ZvP) 2. Team member can choose their procedure(first, second, ace) 3. In addition to receiving recommendations from the 25 maps, 14 player
Flash FPVODS for those who haven't seen his dominating play yet!Flash vs Shuttle+ Show Spoiler +Flash vs Sea+ Show Spoiler +Flash vs EffOrt (Yes this one is epic!) + Show Spoiler +
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More Flash playing BW is always welcome.
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51449 Posts
I'm excited that Flash finally feels that hes ready to compete.
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Flash, Last and Mind? Yeah gl zerg and protoss
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nah, best is best protoss atm and larva and zero can always surprise, this will be fun.
plus Flash has been Hyuk'd before *cough*Bacchus 2010*cough*
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What is hype can never die
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Japan11776 Posts
Behold the terran the lineup of doom.
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Actually, Larva seems to have taken a few games off of flash recently, if I'm not mistaken. Also, usually Best would be a tough opponent for Flash, except he's been sucking balls in PvT. Best's PvZ though ...
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It just nice to have the old gang back together. Still rooting for July.
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Can't wait to see Best vs Flash though most likely we know the outcome already.
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Oh man, BW hype! Why did the Academy make that dinosaur sound??
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On May 05 2016 13:51 Descent wrote:
Oh man, BW hype! Why did the Academy make that dinosaur sound??
dinosaur rage is the drug in stim pack
more specifically Velociraptors.
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Now only to wait for Rain.
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On May 05 2016 14:23 Ej_ wrote:
Now only to wait for Rain.
I thought Rain (like many of the great sc2 kespa players) was weak in BW? Or am I just retarded?
Either this is good shit...
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rain hasn't streamed bw in months so i don't think he wants to play competitive anytime soon
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On May 05 2016 13:21 Wrath wrote:
Can't wait to see Best vs Flash though most likely we know the outcome already.
lol, dont underestimate best, he beat flash many times yesterday
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FlaSh playing BW
Moon playing WC3
the year is 2016.
Everything seems alright again.
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On May 05 2016 14:27 Cricketer12 wrote:I thought Rain (like many of the great sc2 kespa players) was weak in BW? Or am I just retarded? Either this is good shit...
Rain was on the rise along with Bogus (Innovation), Reality, Wooki (Zest), Soulkey before the transition. It was too early to tell if he could hang around the A-class but there was a good chance as he has taken games off of them.
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Awesome. Been a while since I've been excited for starcraft.
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Fuck...
This'll be good
Can't rip on Flash in this game :p
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Good, good... I'll be watching.
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Bisutopia19384 Posts
FYI BeST 5 > 0 Flash on stream two days ago.
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dooope back to real starcraft
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Japan11776 Posts
Also, the LR thread is here: KLM #26
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I will donate when I get home. Go Flash
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On May 05 2016 14:55 c3rberUs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 14:27 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 05 2016 14:23 Ej_ wrote:
Now only to wait for Rain. I thought Rain (like many of the great sc2 kespa players) was weak in BW? Or am I just retarded? Either this is good shit... Rain was on the rise along with Bogus (Innovation), Reality, Wooki (Zest), Soulkey before the transition. It was too early to tell if he could hang around the A-class but there was a good chance as he has taken games off of them.
Innovation? Are you kidding me man or were wewatching a different game?
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On May 05 2016 14:55 c3rberUs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 14:27 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 05 2016 14:23 Ej_ wrote:
Now only to wait for Rain. I thought Rain (like many of the great sc2 kespa players) was weak in BW? Or am I just retarded? Either this is good shit... Rain was on the rise along with Bogus (Innovation), Reality, Wooki (Zest), Soulkey before the transition. It was too early to tell if he could hang around the A-class but there was a good chance as he has taken games off of them.
I would rate them as follows, relatively speaking, at the end of BW:
1. Soulkey
2. By.Sun (Rain)
3. Bogus (Innovation)
4. PG71ABSOMETHING is Wooki (Zest), right?
5. Reality
However, the space between each place was relatively significant. In fact, if I had to grade it that way, I'd say this:
Soulkey >> By.Sun >>> Bogus >>>> Wooki > Reality
Probably something like that.
I will corroborate for sure that By.Sun was definitely on the rise, probably more so than any of the other players on this list. Soulkey was already a relatively well-established player by the time the last Proleague ended. Bogus was an Ace level player for his mediocre team and performed with middling results overall. Wooki and Reality didn't have many opportunities to prove themselves and although they did show some sparks here and there, overall I'd consider them to be the least relevant of the crew. The divide between them, if my memory serves me, wasn't that large. In terms of the ambiguous metric of potential vs. then-current achieved status, I'd say...
Soulkey ^^^
By.Sun ^^^^^
Bogus ^^^^
Wooki ^^^
Reality ^^^^
Hopefully this put it in perspective for you (OP, not cerberus). These are just my opinions and I'd love to see some opposing arguments if there are any.
EDIT: To put it in a different perspective that is more direct to OP, I'd say that Soulkey was the 4th - 6th best Zerg at the end of Brood War, Rain was ~8th Protoss, Bogus was ~8-10th best Terran (maybe higher, depending on his days, he was streaky iirc), Wooki and Reality don't factor into these standings although Reality did have some sick plays, especially vs. Jaedong iirc.
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I hope he stops to be a "Game Jockey" on stream. Thats just weird.
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On May 05 2016 17:02 KT_Elwood wrote:
I hope he stops to be a "Game Jockey" on stream. Thats just weird.
Would you rather he be a server at a local restaurant or be pursuing a full college education? Sure, the latter might be better for him as a person in the long term (probably), but in the end him being a "Game Jockey" increases the amount of time we actually spend watching his play in 1v1 Brood War in the foreseeable future, imo.
EDIT:
Just saw this:
On May 05 2016 16:50 lastride wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 14:55 c3rberUs wrote:On May 05 2016 14:27 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 05 2016 14:23 Ej_ wrote:
Now only to wait for Rain. I thought Rain (like many of the great sc2 kespa players) was weak in BW? Or am I just retarded? Either this is good shit... Rain was on the rise along with Bogus (Innovation), Reality, Wooki (Zest), Soulkey before the transition. It was too early to tell if he could hang around the A-class but there was a good chance as he has taken games off of them. Innovation? Are you kidding me man or were wewatching a different game?
Innovation was solid at the end of Brood War. He was definitely up there in terms of skill. I was not surprised at all when I learned that Soulkey, Innovation, and Rain were the frontrunners for their respective races from the Brood War era. They were the new kids on the block with mad spunk. And by new kids, I mean they probably spent a few years climbing the ranks in order to appear in the public eye here on TL or in Korea @Proleague. By the time they were competing in StarCraft Two, they had already been competing in professional RTS on a professional level for YEARS.
Bogus was the ace of his team, had a lot of "underdog" wins, was solid mechanically and especially proficient vs. Zerg. Sound familiar? The latter of those two traits can get you far in these games.
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Japan11776 Posts
Excluding the league that must not be named, + Show Spoiler [click this at your own risk] + I think that is a well made ranking except I would swap out Sun/Rain and Bogus' positions because Bogus was beginning to headline STX matches back then (poor Clam and Kal.) Soulkey was definitely the most well-established of this bunch and the only one imo who can reliably take games off the A-class and S-Class.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51449 Posts
rofl fana its P7GAB
I remember Bogus being a genuine threat to Flash's run int the tving OSL, and had a great TvP and TvZ record, his TvT wasn't up to par but he still managed to be a threat to other terrans.
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On May 05 2016 17:06 c3rberUs wrote:Excluding the league that must not be named, + Show Spoiler [click this at your own risk] + I think that is a well made ranking except I would swap out Sun/Rain and Bogus' positions because Bogus was beginning to headline STX matches back then (poor Clam and Kal.) Soulkey was definitely the most well-established of this bunch and the only one imo who can reliably take games off the A-class and S-Class.
I can easily see that, in the sense that Bogus was going through a lot more pressure at the time than Sun was. Sun was the THIRD best Protoss on his team, whereas Bogus was hands down the best Terran STX had to offer, and as I mentioned earlier he was a staple ace player. This is the breeding ground for a future champion.
However, being as I, like you, excluded Hybrid League from my ranking, I found Rain's accomplishments leading up to SKT's victory to be more significant. Perhaps it was because of the lack of pressure (relatively), or the map pool in the time leading up to the final season (Plains of Protoss), or whatever. It might be wrong to fault Bogus for not carrying his team as hard as Sun could support it, but at the same time I have just as many memorable matches from Sun as I do from Bogus and Sun's came at a crucial time that coincided with his exposure. If Bogus was the better player, which is possible, we simply don't have enough evidence to support that claim IMO.
On May 05 2016 17:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
rofl fana its P7GAB
Yea chemicals and shit, thanks for correcting me. I honestly didn't know Zest and Wooki and P4GTBB were the same, haha. I was aware of the Wooki - PGT4BAYBAY relationship but not the former. This puts an interesting spin on things, as players had peaked in SC2 relatively consistently with their BW potential IMO.
PS - @OP: You want to know who had the least expectations for success and glory as we approached the end of Brood War, relative to his generation of gamers? Definitely soO or however it is capitalized. He bore the stigma of "SKT Zerg" so hard it was a running gag that was far worse than the Kong Line. The Kong Line is like the imperial list of all throne successors who had an older brother but were still royalty while SoO was the rice farmer 60 kilometers away, plowing a rice paddy and doing it worse than his nearby compatriots. He couldn't gather enough rice (get wins) to support his family (net wins for his team), but because they were relatively well-off (had Bisu, Fantasy, Best, By.Sun would easily be the 4th violin if such a thing exists, right?) without his help, he skirted by as a moocher (an accessory piece to the team). When I heard that he was one of the best Zergs in the world, I was shocked. To me, he seemed like he had negative potential - like he would actually get worse the more he played at the top level. Guess that is one where I will have to stand corrected.
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Oh come on, Why they do this in week days?
Im at work, Damn it.
Well, lets try to avoid spoilers till I get home.
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Japan11776 Posts
PG71ABSOMETHING
P4GTBB
PGT4BAYBAY
I only learned Wooki = Zest a few days ago and to prevent the above let's just stick to Wooki. XD
It's not a matter of pressure that I chose to rank Bogus above Rain, it was gameplay. Bogus played better and was more threatening to guys like FlaSh (1:4), Jaedong (1:3) and Bisu (2:2) than Rain imo.
I wonder how a potential FlaSh vs BeSt matchup will go down tonight?
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On May 05 2016 17:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
rofl fana its P7GAB
I remember Bogus being a genuine threat to Flash's run int the tving OSL, and had a great TvP and TvZ record, his TvT wasn't up to par but he still managed to be a threat to other terrans.
Good ol chill gab
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51449 Posts
IIRC its supposed to mean something like "covered in blood" or "blood bath".
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sorry, when in GMT will this be streamed ?!
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On May 05 2016 18:27 AncientSionX wrote:
sorry, when in GMT will this be streamed ?!
Thursday, May 05 11:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)
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On May 05 2016 18:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:
IIRC its supposed to mean something like "covered in blood" or "blood bath".
Something like that yea
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On May 05 2016 16:01 BisuDagger wrote:
FYI BeST 5 > 0 Flash on stream two days ago.
Make that 6 > 0 because yesterday they were doing KotH with him, BeSt, Last, Sea. BeSt stomped them all. Heck, FlaSh did not even make it out of early game.
lol, dont underestimate best, he beat flash many times yesterday
... That is what I meant. FlaSh got rekt so many times by BeSt that it is not even funny anymore.
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5 dollars donated!
Plz dont behave like Terror, he might make waves but I prefer to watch BW not watch some psycho take up half the screen yelling.
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lol the moment you realize BW has more viewers and players than SC2...
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On May 05 2016 20:00 OzhMa wrote:
lol the moment you realize BW has more viewers and players than SC2...
No kidding. :D
+ Show Spoiler +
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On May 05 2016 20:26 rotta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 20:00 OzhMa wrote:
lol the moment you realize BW has more viewers and players than SC2... No kidding. :D + Show Spoiler +
i almost choked on my tea, lol.
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oh my god that was so unexpected :p
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So has Flash actually played? I see others playing on stream right now
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51449 Posts
no flash has not played yet
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I wish the stream info would be on the first post of this thread. I found it on the sidebar, but it's always a bit frustrating to have to hunt for basic information.
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konadora
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I just want to take a moment to appreciate the fact that BW is notably better than SC2 and everyone was right all along. It wasn't nostalgia and it wasn't old memories. Welcome back, Flash.
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Thank you, but I was referring to this thread itself. When I see an upcoming match in the sidebar, I click on the title and come to the Discussion page to find out where it's going to be streamed. It's disappointing not to be able to find that information easily.
The original post says this match will be broadcast "again in English on Friday, May 06 9:00am HKT (GMT+08:00) by BisuDagger and AmazingKXCD" - do you know the stream address for this?
Thanks for your help.
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On May 06 2016 02:06 Aiingel wrote:
The original post says this match will be broadcast "again in English on Friday, May 06 9:00am HKT (GMT+08:00) by BisuDagger and AmazingKXCD" - do you know the stream address for this?
Thanks for your help.
https://www.twitch.tv/bisudagger
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I hope there will be a Tefel-comeback thread as well, he returned about 3 days after his retirement =D
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Is there any place the VODs for this will be uploaded? I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really wanna watch this, but I can't because work 
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time to wreck some scrubs :D
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On May 05 2016 23:58 Mohdoo wrote:
I just want to take a moment to appreciate the fact that BW is notably better than SC2 and everyone was right all along. It wasn't nostalgia and it wasn't old memories. Welcome back, Flash.
True dat. 
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Im confused, wasnt his plan to stream BW after his SC2 retirement? What happend to that?
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On May 06 2016 03:29 [Svall]Granis wrote:
Im confused, wasnt his plan to stream BW after his SC2 retirement? What happend to that?
It is about playing in tournaments again. Not just stream for fun.
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can't wait for xkcd and bd
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I have never played brood war (except for the campaign when I was a kid). I really enjoy watching Flash's stream. I love SC II but I can really see brood wars attraction and why it is still such a great game even though the graphics are a bit outdated. The mechanics and the strategical and tactical depth is just amazing :D
Looking forward to this event :D
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Ooooooohhhh yeeeeeaaaaaaaa
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On May 06 2016 02:55 BallinWitStalin wrote:Is there any place the VODs for this will be uploaded? I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really wanna watch this, but I can't because work
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2ja61Zku_rw3ZBfDZi8cuQ
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On May 06 2016 02:55 BallinWitStalin wrote:Is there any place the VODs for this will be uploaded? I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really wanna watch this, but I can't because work
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4TDU9SEVB0EgslnTI2O9IQ
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Teamliquid last hope =Flash
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On May 06 2016 02:42 ossavi09 wrote:
I hope there will be a Tefel-comeback thread as well, he returned about 3 days after his retirement =D
Who?
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ggggggggggggggggg flash shouldve honestly just stayed in bw :\
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On May 06 2016 03:18 [[Starlight]] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 23:58 Mohdoo wrote:
I just want to take a moment to appreciate the fact that BW is notably better than SC2 and everyone was right all along. It wasn't nostalgia and it wasn't old memories. Welcome back, Flash. True dat.
I agree, watched the Flash vs. Effort match in the OP; asides from stuff like outdated graphics and pathing, in general BW is the superior game over SC2 in terms of mechanics, balance, and units comp.
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On May 06 2016 12:23 Advantageous wrote:
ggggggggggggggggg flash shouldve honestly just stayed in bw :\
you mean BW should've just stayed. But certain people saw profits to be made with this new sc2 game and the rest is history, alas.
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You guys are fucking awesome, thanks a ton!
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On May 07 2016 00:04 duke91 wrote:wrong song
Sorry, but the Flash Theme is never the wrong song. 
Well ok, maybe at a funeral.
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cool! I saw he has a lot of viewers when streaming, I hope he will enjoy his games!
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never thought bisudagger of all people would be making a thread about raising money for a Flash showmatch
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And flash doesn't even get to play ... Maybe flash should be sent out first next time. 
Also, Best losing another PvT. It is as if he unleared how to play vs. terran as he was improving his play vs. zerg.
P.S. Great cast guys, though your VODs lag every 5s. I hope you figure out what the problem is for future casts.
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On May 08 2016 16:21 The Intrepid wrote:And flash doesn't even get to play ... Maybe flash should be sent out first next time. Also, Best losing another PvT. It is as if he unleared how to play vs. terran as he was improving his play vs. zerg. P.S. Great cast guys, though your VODs lag every 5s. I hope you figure out what the problem is for future casts.
Except he whooped Flash repeatedly on stream.
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Who cares. Flash beats him when it matters 
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On May 10 2016 23:45 lastride wrote:Who cares. Flash beats him when it matters
I'm making the point that he didn't actually forget PvT.
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