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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 02 2007 06:45 GMT
#101
seems at times very arbitrary
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 02 2007 06:52 GMT
#102
On March 02 2007 15:44 thedeadhaji wrote:
let's put ourselvesback to pre-OSL 3, when nada was just barely ahead of savior in the kespa rankings. I remember a lot of people clamoring about the rankings, savior should be #1, no ndada is #1 yadayadayada.

Let's say savior didnt get into OSL 3. Nada obviously did. Nada does decently well in osl3, gets top 4. Savior wins Gom MSL. April Kespa says savior is #1 and nada is #2, ranking change without any head to head match between the two.

You really think fans or players would buy into the way kespa ranks who is #1 or #2 without a head to head game between the two, and truely beleve that savior is now all the sudden better than nada? I personally dont think so. Kespa is a "decent" barometer, but nothing that has any sort of real or absolute value in terms of who is the "better" player =S
well no but things like "who's on top of kespa the most" are still meaningful. this particular situation just shows that in certain situations it is not useful. of course, if savior was 500 points ahead of nada, i think that would be a significantly different situation.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
March 02 2007 08:17 GMT
#103
3 Protoss in the Top 10! //O_O\\

LOL @ Midas for dropping 5 spots. Pick Savior again for another -5 spots okay?
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
March 02 2007 08:23 GMT
#104
On March 02 2007 15:05 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2007 15:03 QuietIdiot wrote:
On March 02 2007 14:10 Plexa wrote:
On March 02 2007 13:47 [Carlodajin] wrote:
On March 01 2007 19:44 Essex wrote:
even though iloveoov's going down in ranking, i still believe hes the best player
i somehow never lose hope in him ,, i just know that he'll be #1 again soon or later

Indeed.
Why isnt this featured?. KeSPA is reallyyy important in South Korea.
AnyTime[gm] is still on KeSPA Top 10!!!.
despite him showing the worst performance of a protoss of late ;;

Good to see all other protoss rising; they all deserve it.

Anytime had some seriously bad luck when you think about it
Getting cheesed 3 times in OSL = ROFL (I consider the FBH game to be so incredibly gay that it has to be cheese regardless of its characteristics.)
And getting to vs July in a bo3 in MSL...


I am praying for a ZERO PROTOSS OSL

WTF FUCK U
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 02 2007 08:26 GMT
#105
hey man, I'm willing to swallow 3 months of pain for a shot in the arm to the league dudes.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 02 2007 08:26 GMT
#106
On March 02 2007 15:52 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2007 15:44 thedeadhaji wrote:
let's put ourselvesback to pre-OSL 3, when nada was just barely ahead of savior in the kespa rankings. I remember a lot of people clamoring about the rankings, savior should be #1, no ndada is #1 yadayadayada.

Let's say savior didnt get into OSL 3. Nada obviously did. Nada does decently well in osl3, gets top 4. Savior wins Gom MSL. April Kespa says savior is #1 and nada is #2, ranking change without any head to head match between the two.

You really think fans or players would buy into the way kespa ranks who is #1 or #2 without a head to head game between the two, and truely beleve that savior is now all the sudden better than nada? I personally dont think so. Kespa is a "decent" barometer, but nothing that has any sort of real or absolute value in terms of who is the "better" player =S
well no but things like "who's on top of kespa the most" are still meaningful. this particular situation just shows that in certain situations it is not useful. of course, if savior was 500 points ahead of nada, i think that would be a significantly different situation.


ok yea, i can buy that :O
narreth
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada124 Posts
March 02 2007 08:44 GMT
#107
On February 28 2007 21:22 oneofthem wrote:
haha midas, stupid move picking savior now backfires.


yea i liked midas but he shouldnt have picked savior the second time tho -_-
at least hes got guts!
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2330 Posts
March 02 2007 11:06 GMT
#108
On March 02 2007 14:37 thedeadhaji wrote:
?? so? Just because it's listed doesnt mean it's necessarily that important.

how often do you hear a player say "oh man, my main goal is to get back in top 10 kespa" or "dude, #1 kespa rank is my career goal" when asked "what are your goals for this year?" etc.

Players have talked about getting back to #1 Kespa, or back to top 30 plenty of times before.

Is there even an instance where in sports, the players actually care deeply about their world rank? Because I certainly cant think of any. Your rank doesnt determine how good you are, so why would they care? :O

Rank is somewhat important in tennis (obviously less than winning majors, but still). I know there's been complaints in Australia about how few players we have in the tennis top 100 now.
Furthermore, tournaments should use matchup-specific maps
HungerForMore
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan420 Posts
March 02 2007 13:31 GMT
#109
This is cazy, Savior can get into a huge slump and still be #1 for a very long time!
Savior 4 Life
CC Rider
Profile Joined September 2006
289 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-02 13:44:47
March 02 2007 13:39 GMT
#110
I really think at this point that the best overall BW player in history is no longer Boxer, but Nada. Guys like Savior become really super-hot and then burn out quickly. You saw it happen with Anytime when everyone got all excited about his one win, you saw it happen with July. We've even seen a rise and fall of megastars like Reach and OOv. But the one and only guy who has CONSISTENTLY been at the very top throughout the past six years is Nada.

Mark my words, soon Savior will burn out and fall in the KeSPA ranks, and Nada will still be there in the top 5 forever. That consistency is so much more impressive to me than completely dominating for a brief period.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 02 2007 13:53 GMT
#111
nonsense fanboism. both have certain skills, changes in game strategy favor one skill set over another, so we see rise and fall of players. there is little to suggest the skill 'consistency' exists, let along nada's success is due to this skill which savior presumably lacks.

another thing with the ranks, what T1 did with their one league rule will either be a heavy blow to the rankings or force it to change. i dont think the rankings will change, so yeah T1 players are fucked.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 02 2007 13:54 GMT
#112
Greedy ass KeSPA
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
CC Rider
Profile Joined September 2006
289 Posts
March 02 2007 13:57 GMT
#113
"both have certain skills, changes in game strategy favor one skill set over another, so we see rise and fall of players." that's my point, that's why it's impressive that one player transcends the rise and fall and stays dominant consistently for so long. even boxer's period of dominance had not lasted so long.

how can consistency not exist? it's a word, look it up.

I don't even like Nada I just give respect where it's deserved. I'm a nal_ra and Anytime fanboy.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 02 2007 14:06 GMT
#114
well "mana" and "chakra" are words, i dont see them in too many medical journals.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
siro)
Profile Joined January 2006
Australia848 Posts
March 02 2007 14:35 GMT
#115
On March 02 2007 22:39 CC Rider wrote:
I really think at this point that the best overall BW player in history is no longer Boxer, but Nada. Guys like Savior become really super-hot and then burn out quickly. You saw it happen with Anytime when everyone got all excited about his one win, you saw it happen with July. We've even seen a rise and fall of megastars like Reach and OOv. But the one and only guy who has CONSISTENTLY been at the very top throughout the past six years is Nada.

Mark my words, soon Savior will burn out and fall in the KeSPA ranks, and Nada will still be there in the top 5 forever. That consistency is so much more impressive to me than completely dominating for a brief period.


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