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Kontra[MDK]
Profile Joined October 2002
Portugal1013 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-24 07:55:35
June 23 2003 14:29 GMT
#1
If i could distribute spots, this is how i would do it:

5 Players
Korea

3 Players
Sweden
Canada
Poland
Germany
China
USA

2 Players
France
Netherlands
Spain
Russia

1 player
Finland
Taiwan
Bulgaria
Kazakhstan
Mexico
Italy
Ukraine
Norway
Romania
Philipines
UK
Portugal
Argentina
Turkey
Malasya
Denmark
Brasil
Belgium
Australia
Czech Republic
Austria
Colombia
Iran
Equador
Hungary
Slovakia
Puerto Rico
Guatemala
Peru
Estonia
India
Latvia
Lithuania
Japan
Vietnam
India
Somebody call for an exterminator?
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
June 23 2003 14:31 GMT
#2
Somebody hates USA.
why so 진지해?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28808 Posts
June 23 2003 14:32 GMT
#3
i'd give norway 34
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28808 Posts
June 23 2003 14:32 GMT
#4
what country is usa?
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 23 2003 14:41 GMT
#5
id give the usa 3 spots
norway 2
sweden 3
china 3
korea 4(including boxer)
canada 2
poland 2
germany 2
france 2
ntl 2
russia 2

everyone else gets 1


i dont care about any of the other places
Kobayashi
Profile Joined February 2003
Portugal1970 Posts
June 23 2003 14:43 GMT
#6
lol I'm sure I meant to give it at least one stop

PS: kontra eu punha ali um lugar pros estados unidos senaum ainda te banem :p
I love mankind, its people I hate
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-23 14:49:17
June 23 2003 14:47 GMT
#7
Besides elky who the hell is good from france? that aspexs guy, or whatever? Overall I say they did a much better job this year then in years past. Only thing I really change is Kazakhstan geting 1 not 3, and Bulgaria geting 2 not 3. Then use the spots to give norway 1 or 2, and poland, and/or canada 2.
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-23 14:50:48
June 23 2003 14:50 GMT
#8
AspeaK is a very very good Z french user imho. BunDy is kinda good too but not consistent enough most of the time.
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InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
June 23 2003 14:53 GMT
#9
On June 23 2003 23:50 PoP wrote:
AspeaK is a very very good Z french user imho. BunDy is kinda good too but not consistent enough most of the time.
Yeah thats the dude.........This had more of a point when I thought kontra said france should get 3 spots lol.
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
Nuttie
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland302 Posts
June 23 2003 14:57 GMT
#10
Poland has only one spot. : [
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
June 23 2003 14:57 GMT
#11
ones better then none
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
Veg
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada2945 Posts
June 23 2003 15:54 GMT
#12
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asdasdas
ky[Z]
Profile Joined January 2003
China1730 Posts
June 23 2003 15:59 GMT
#13
isnt the spots determined by sponsors in each country?
Terran is SOoOo over-powered~!! Especially in TvT~!
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
June 23 2003 16:00 GMT
#14
Not only does Kontra hate USA, he hates money.

Giving Iran a spot over USA? The reason they have the spots they do is, for the thousandth time, SPONSERS.

USA has more sponsers the Iran.. -_-v
:O
Kobayashi
Profile Joined February 2003
Portugal1970 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-23 16:05:56
June 23 2003 16:04 GMT
#15
On June 24 2003 01:00 choboPEon wrote:
Not only does Kontra hate USA, he hates money.

Giving Iran a spot over USA? The reason they have the spots they do is, for the thousandth time, SPONSERS.

USA has more sponsers the Iran.. -_-v


first of all he is talking about "fair" wgt spot distribution ,meaning he's not taking sponsers into consideration. second: I'm sure he just forgot usa
I love mankind, its people I hate
Veg
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada2945 Posts
June 23 2003 16:18 GMT
#16
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asdasdas
SuperCod
Profile Joined March 2003
United States337 Posts
June 23 2003 16:22 GMT
#17
Kazakhstan has 0 good players i bet ioi
Kazakh national team: http://www.wgtour.com/country.php?datab=broodwar&id=121
I have made good decisions in the past. I have made good decisions in the future. - G.W. Bush
rplant
Profile Joined May 2003
United States1178 Posts
June 23 2003 16:22 GMT
#18
I don't think American geographic aptitude should figure into the WCG tournament at all. :p
Believing in God is like believing in a teapot orbiting Mars (Edit: wow I was a douche in 2003)
DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
June 23 2003 16:22 GMT
#19
pretty sure they couldn't locate poland or sweden either
mvnL
Profile Joined January 2003
Poland394 Posts
June 23 2003 16:25 GMT
#20
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 23 2003 16:27 GMT
#21
korea has 3 spots, which is fair. they get the 4th because #1 wcg is seeded.
NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
June 23 2003 16:29 GMT
#22
i can locate all 7 stans on world map =P
people are similar in nature. its the experience of life that makes them so different.
Socke
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany451 Posts
June 23 2003 16:33 GMT
#23
hm, kazakhstan got second at nationscup last year oO
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
June 23 2003 16:39 GMT
#24
i can locate every single country on world map
why so 진지해?
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
June 23 2003 16:41 GMT
#25
We are all very happy for you rekrul.
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
June 23 2003 16:46 GMT
#26
Will someone name at least three countries besides Mexico, and Canada that 99% of americans could locate on a map?
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
June 23 2003 16:49 GMT
#27
I highly doubt 99% of Americans can even locate Canada and Mexico.
why so 진지해?
Kobayashi
Profile Joined February 2003
Portugal1970 Posts
June 23 2003 16:51 GMT
#28
If bush can locate iraq on the world map I guess everyone else should feel really ashamed if they can't
I love mankind, its people I hate
bandit
Profile Joined June 2003
New Zealand28 Posts
June 23 2003 17:12 GMT
#29
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Pomozite
Profile Joined October 2002
Croatia647 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-23 17:17:21
June 23 2003 17:17 GMT
#30
Rekrul, count Macedonian neighbours.
No map hack pls.
i used to be schizophrenic, but we re ok now
rplant
Profile Joined May 2003
United States1178 Posts
June 23 2003 17:31 GMT
#31
On June 24 2003 01:51 Kobayashi wrote:
If bush can locate iraq on the world map I guess everyone else should feel really ashamed if they can't
]

Lmfao, but how do you know he can?
Believing in God is like believing in a teapot orbiting Mars (Edit: wow I was a douche in 2003)
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7577 Posts
June 23 2003 17:33 GMT
#32
Poland right now has the largest non-korean communitiy of great players. I don't even feel like listing the 10 players who are of, or possibly greater then blackman caliber. The point is they should at lesat have 2-3 so that korea will be interesting.
Kontra[MDK]
Profile Joined October 2002
Portugal1013 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-23 18:27:41
June 23 2003 18:26 GMT
#33
LOL only now i came back and saw i forgot the usa. I had to re-write the list due to explorer crash and i forgot the 2nd time. USA would deserve 3 spots too.
Somebody call for an exterminator?
fillherman
Profile Joined December 2002
187 Posts
June 23 2003 18:33 GMT
#34
u also forgot canada
RickJSanchez
Profile Joined March 2003
United States1585 Posts
June 23 2003 18:34 GMT
#35
why should any ONE country have more slots then the other?
even if your in a crappy country ;o

equal opputunity is thnx, for sc/bw that is, i dun like the fact about the other games having the same slots as us.

pemos1:have u ever heard of me? RickJSanchez:just from wgtour pemos1:o thats it? lol.RickJSanchez:that about it pemosl:wow :[ pemosl:im pretty known on west
AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-23 18:47:28
June 23 2003 18:45 GMT
#36
in my opinion russia should get 3 spots. and Brazil should get 2.
yeah and ukraine also 2 spots
A team is only as good as its worst lineup
AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
June 23 2003 18:46 GMT
#37
On June 24 2003 01:22 SuperCod wrote:
Kazakhstan has 0 good players i bet ioi
Kazakh national team: http://www.wgtour.com/country.php?datab=broodwar&id=121

the players on their national team on wgt r not even close to top 5 in Kazakhstan.
A team is only as good as its worst lineup
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
June 23 2003 18:59 GMT
#38
[B]-500 pts : Don`t upload naked girls picture again! (c)WGT admins .


lol xD eh man gimme these pictures ~~
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
ZyPhReX
Profile Joined January 2003
1192 Posts
June 23 2003 19:03 GMT
#39
Every country participating should have 3 spots.
Ghost Me
RickJSanchez
Profile Joined March 2003
United States1585 Posts
June 23 2003 19:07 GMT
#40
well, hopefully it will change, as said in the statement "Note that these lists are definitely subject to change"
pemos1:have u ever heard of me? RickJSanchez:just from wgtour pemos1:o thats it? lol.RickJSanchez:that about it pemosl:wow :[ pemosl:im pretty known on west
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
June 23 2003 19:31 GMT
#41
On June 24 2003 01:04 Kobayashi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2003 01:00 choboPEon wrote:
Not only does Kontra hate USA, he hates money.

Giving Iran a spot over USA? The reason they have the spots they do is, for the thousandth time, SPONSERS.

USA has more sponsers the Iran.. -_-v


first of all he is talking about "fair" wgt spot distribution ,meaning he's not taking sponsers into consideration. second: I'm sure he just forgot usa


the amount of sponsers is fairness, because it's not fair to just forget about money - for the organizers atleast.

oh and americans are stupid people
:O
Shockey
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2615 Posts
June 23 2003 21:44 GMT
#42
it would only be fair if korea gets 1 spot and everyone else gets 3. i think they should be handicapped because theyre better.
La Resistance
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada20 Posts
June 23 2003 22:10 GMT
#43
shockey: agreed
Only Those Who Can See The Invisible, Can Do The Impossible
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 23 2003 22:32 GMT
#44
On June 24 2003 03:34 RickJSanchez wrote:
why should any ONE country have more slots then the other?
even if your in a crappy country ;o

equal opputunity is thnx, for sc/bw that is, i dun like the fact about the other games having the same slots as us.



Because they have a bigger/more skilled player base?

Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
June 23 2003 23:09 GMT
#45
wtf kontra? why you leave out australia -_-
BlackJack-X17
Profile Joined March 2003
United States158 Posts
June 23 2003 23:17 GMT
#46
When WCG decides what countries will send how many players, I am sure they consider what teenage computer gamers think instead of what is a better decision financially.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
June 23 2003 23:41 GMT
#47
On June 24 2003 08:17 BlackJack-X17 wrote:
When WCG decides what countries will send how many players, I am sure they consider what teenage computer gamers think instead of what is a better decision financially.


=] exactly.
:O
LaptopLegacy
Profile Joined October 2002
Netherlands602 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-24 00:25:01
June 24 2003 00:24 GMT
#48
It's not like the sponsors are paying the Korean WCG organization money or something (well some are, but they're not American). The Korean WCG organization pays for hotel fees and the gaming area in Korea, but not for the hardware used at the national qualifiers or the plane tickets of the participants. That's were the local sponsors come in.
The organizers of the national qualifiers just let Korea know how many players they'll be able to send with the money they were able to raise from sponsorships and that's how the list is made.
Luctor et Emergo
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
June 24 2003 00:31 GMT
#49
Getting a high name sponser is like being sponsered yourself.

Somehow I don't think Intel will sponser an Iranian gamer over an American gamer, you know?
:O
PunkSkeleton
Profile Joined January 2003
Poland226 Posts
June 24 2003 00:31 GMT
#50
IMHO 16 players should be selected in international invited-only tourney + every country gets 1 slot.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
June 24 2003 01:22 GMT
#51
On June 24 2003 09:31 PunkSkeleton wrote:
IMHO 16 players should be selected in international invited-only tourney + every country gets 1 slot.


um. what? no? why? so only 1 person from each country gets a chance, and they didn't win any tournament for that chance and and ...

no.
:O
MORAGA
Profile Joined May 2003
United States323 Posts
June 24 2003 01:23 GMT
#52
If i could distribute spots, this is how i would do it:

5 Players
Korea

3 Players
Sweeden
Poland
Germany
China
USA

2 Players
France
Netherlands
Spain
Russia

1 player
Finland
Taiwan
Bulgaria
Kazakhstan
Mexico
Italy
Ukraine
Norway
Romania
Philipines
UK
Portugal
Argentina
Turkey
Malasya
Denmark
Brasil
Belgium
Czecg Republic
Austria
Colombia
Iran
Equador
Hungary
Slovakia
Puerto Rico
Guatemala
Peru
Estonia
Hong Kong
India
Latvia
Lithuania
Japan
Vietnam
Pakistan
India

Right on t.t
Moraga, California
Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
June 24 2003 02:42 GMT
#53
Buh India 1 spot ? Australia 0 ?
Fever_tr
Profile Joined February 2003
Turkey222 Posts
June 24 2003 06:05 GMT
#54

I think every country should get 2. That would be fair enough, right?

and SuGoSu will 0wn y0 ! =)
Turkish National Team Leader - msg for NW
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 24 2003 06:26 GMT
#55
if you give every country 2 spots then a top player from sweden has way less chance than a top player from Iran

what the fuck is fair about that?

:[.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-24 07:08:20
June 24 2003 06:31 GMT
#56
my 'list'

4 Players
Korea

3 Players
Poland
China
USA
Canada

2 Players
France
Netherlands
Spain
Russia
Ukraine
Norway
Sweden
Germany
Brasil

1 player
Finland
Taiwan
Bulgaria
Kazakhstan
Mexico
Italy
Romania
Philipines
UK
Portugal
Argentina
Turkey
Malasya
Denmark
Belgium
Czecg Republic
Austria
Colombia
Iran
Equador
Hungary
Slovakia
Puerto Rico
Guatemala
Peru
Estonia
Hong Kong
India
Latvia
Lithuania
Japan
Vietnam
Pakistan
India
Administrator
Fever_tr
Profile Joined February 2003
Turkey222 Posts
June 24 2003 06:34 GMT
#57
well but that would solve the problem about countries ^^. I think the best two players from each countries is fair enough. It is bad luck for them if they have many good players in their country. I mean in Counter-Strike. turkey suffered alot from that since there were 3 very good clans to go to wcg 2002, but they couldnt.
Turkish National Team Leader - msg for NW
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
June 24 2003 06:35 GMT
#58
you really have to be subjective if you wanted to make it fair

for example, bulgaria has 3 very good gamers (or had, dont know if mr.x is still playing)

sweden has some VERY good gamers and only 1 can go of the saft, willet, trek, etc group.

norway has nobody, and they have some very good gamers (honestly, slayer could probably come back tomorrow and finish top 16)

being subjective also brings a lot of criticism though (blah blah blah, we are willing to come, we should get equal opportunity, blah blah blah)

so just let the people with the money do their jobs and we will play.


there should be (if there already isnt) one stipulation. i.e. norway has no players, so those players should be allowed to go to a different country and qualify. i know in us, a foreign player cant go to national finals. this is a bit retarded, having a player fly to another country just to play a game, but it should at the very least be allowed.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
[CS]Pablo
Profile Joined September 2002
Brazil338 Posts
June 24 2003 06:40 GMT
#59
On June 24 2003 03:45 AgonyRush wrote:
in my opinion russia should get 3 spots. and Brazil should get 2.
yeah and ukraine also 2 spots


If Brazil had 2 spots we would send Hellghost and iGor
There is a catenoid of idempotents in the coquaternion ring
SF-Fork
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Russian Federation1401 Posts
June 24 2003 06:42 GMT
#60
When I lived in the U.S some guy actually asked me questions like <Paris is the capitol of Europe right?> or <Madrid is in ROme?>
Yeah Khazahstan is a pretty "small" country.
SF-Fork
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Russian Federation1401 Posts
June 24 2003 06:43 GMT
#61
hmmm lol I did not see the rest of the threads. My quote is an answer from the first thread.
Veg
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada2945 Posts
June 24 2003 06:54 GMT
#62
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asdasdas
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 24 2003 06:58 GMT
#63
dead

ok edited :-(
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X)Benny
Profile Joined October 2002
France1270 Posts
June 24 2003 07:17 GMT
#64
Where the hell is Bolivia? -_-
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
June 24 2003 07:23 GMT
#65
On June 24 2003 15:31 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
my 'list'

4 Players
Korea

3 Players
Poland
China
USA
Canada

2 Players
France
Netherlands
Spain
Russia
Ukraine
Norway
Sweden
Germany
Brasil

1 player
Finland
Taiwan
Bulgaria
Kazakhstan
Mexico
Italy
Romania
Philipines
UK
Portugal
Argentina
Turkey
Malasya
Denmark
Belgium
Czecg Republic
Austria
Colombia
Iran
Equador
Hungary
Slovakia
Puerto Rico
Guatemala
Peru
Estonia
Hong Kong
India
Latvia
Lithuania
Japan
Vietnam
Pakistan
India



haha, naz left out leg....
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Roman
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2595 Posts
June 24 2003 07:35 GMT
#66
why does brazil need two spots... I also think that sweden deserves three, as does the netherlands.
fillherman
Profile Joined December 2002
187 Posts
June 24 2003 07:45 GMT
#67
who does holland have besides ret and naz that has notable skill? NTT doesn't count btw.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 24 2003 08:08 GMT
#68
I based my picks on previous results by countries

Sweden had 3 spots in 2001, of who only 1 (!!!) made it to top 16, where he went 0-2 I think (Kenka)

Netherlands last year had strafe and me, but Strafe did horrible in the groups. Brazil has Hellghost who went top 12, so they certainly deserve more than 1 spot.
Administrator
BatiGoL
Profile Joined February 2003
Greece272 Posts
June 24 2003 08:10 GMT
#69
Naz u forgot about Greece
ilnp cheated in WDTour whether you like it or not T_T
Roman
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2595 Posts
June 24 2003 08:12 GMT
#70
I think HG is the only person from brazil who could compete at that level.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28808 Posts
June 24 2003 08:41 GMT
#71
this year is probably the year where norway has the least chance at really competing about the highest spots in wcg. and we still have the current #1 wgtour, wgtour winner 2 seasons ago, and among others yours truly. ^_^;

we should've sent 2 every year
Moderator
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-24 08:50:20
June 24 2003 08:49 GMT
#72
like i said eivy, slayer could come back tomorrow and in 2 weeks he would be top 5 outside korea (including elky grrr naz smuft etc)...your country has too many good players to not be involved
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
TheSieGe
Profile Joined March 2003
41 Posts
June 24 2003 08:57 GMT
#73
I really think u guys underestimate Norway, we have some good players, but noone as good as sVEN and Slayer used to be though
Get outta there, shes gonna blow!
Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
June 24 2003 09:09 GMT
#74
For the love of god somone give Australia a spot! :O
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