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We announced the TLS Championship over five months ago and now it is time to provide you with all the necessary details which will focus mostly on the preliminary round, the first stage in our tournament. Seeing as this tournament could be considered a culmination of three TeamLiquid Legacy Starleagues and twenty TeamLiquid Legacy Cups, we have decided to do something non-standard for our preliminary stage, which in effect serves as new version of open qualifiers. Please read the format section carefully!
One thing must be mentioned before explaining the format and that is the matter of seeds from the previous three TLSs. It was mentioned multiple times during the original three TLSs that there would be some kind of a seeding process in TLS Championship based on your performance. However, after spending a lot of time thinking and discussing this with our staff, we have decided to get rid of the seeding process and wipe the slate clean for everyone. The reason for this is quite simple; when we originally said that there would be a seeding process, we did not expect to have a two year break between the last TLS and the championship. In this time, a lot of the things have changed, most notably, quite a few of the players who would get seeded have stopped playing BW altogether and their results do not carry enough weight anymore.
With all of that being said, we hope you all join the TLS Championship and show everyone, including the potential sponsors, that foreign BW is not dead!
Please read the "Registration" section in this post carefully before registering.
Prize Breakdown
Format
TLS Championship consists of two stages: preliminary and elimination stage. Preliminary stage is available to everyone and it will serve as an open qualifier for the elimination stage. Preliminary stage can be best characterized as a mini-ladder, where all the players will play equal amount of matches against the opponents of their similar skill. After the preliminary stage is finished, 32 best players will be selected based on their results and will be placed in the single-elimination bracket.
Prelims
Preliminary stage is a modified Swiss format, where instead of everyone playing everyone, players will play seven rounds of bo3 matches against the opponents with the similar results as them. Upon signing up for the TLS Championship, everyone will be placed into a single group. For the first round, we'll randomize the matchups and everyone will play a single bo3 match. After the first round, four groups of players will form: those who won their first round with a 2-0 score, those who won with 2-1, those who lost with the 1-2 score and those who lost 0-2. For the second round, each player will be matched against another player who has the same/similar score as them. This will continue for the total of seven rounds.
The maps used in a preliminary stage are: Fighting Spirit, Neo Medusa and Heartbreak Ridge. And they are played in that order. Which means that each round of the preliminary stage is a bo3 match in the following format:
Elimination stage is a standard single-elimination format, where the 32 players with the best result in the preliminary stage will be placed in a bracket. Seeding of the single-elimination bracket will be determined based on your ranking in the preliminary stage; 1st place plays vs 32nd, 2nd place vs 31st etc. All rounds will be bo3 until semi-finals, which are bo5 along with the third place match. Finals are bo7. Maps used in the elimination stage will be announced at a later date.
Schedule
For players, designated time for each round in the preliminary stage is every Saturday at 18:00 GMT (+00:00). If you're unavailable to play at this date, it's up to you to reschedule your match to a time that you're available.
Broadcast of the TLS Championship will be every Sunday at 19:00 GMT (+00:00).
First round starts on January 9th at 18:00 GMT (+00:00) for the players and broadcast will follow on January 10th at 19:00 GMT (+00:00).
Registration
Seeing as there is no software that supports our ambitious format of the preliminary stage, we had to improvise a bit. TL Tournament system that you're all familiar with from TLCs will be used for registration, displaying the matchups and uploading the replays. This, in combination with Liquipedia where full results will be posted, should be enough to be as transparent as possible with minimum confusion.
Read this part carefully - Everyone who wants to play in the TLS Championship has to sign up only once. It's not necessary to check-in in the TL tournament system; everyone who signs-up will be considered as participating player in the tournament, checked-in automatically and included in all the next rounds. TL's tournament system will be used to generate a bracket and display the matchups (only the first column in the TL's bracket will be used). For the first round, the matchups will be randomized; after you have finished your games, you have to report the result and upload the replays for that round. After each round, results will be gathered and checked, total score for each player will be posted on Liquipedia and matchups for next round will be determined. At that point we'll reset the bracket that was used for the previous round in TL's tournament system and fill it in with matchups for next round. This may sound a bit complicated at first, but it will be really simple once you see how it works after the first round.
Who is eligible to play in the TLS Championship? For the TLS Championship, we have decided to stick with the same eligibility rule as we had in TLC series. You can read that rule in the TLC info, under the FAQ.
Seeing as it will undoubtedly be asked, yes, this means that Scan is not participating.
How long will the preliminaries last? There will be seven rounds in the preliminary stage. Only one round will be played per week, so that means there will be seven weeks of preliminary stage.
What if I can't make one of the rounds? Designated time to play each round will be on Saturdays at 18:00 GMT (+00:00). If you can't make it for one of the rounds, it's up to you to reschedule your match to a time that you're available. Matchups for each week will be available by Monday after each round, so you'll have five days to do so. If you fail to play one round, you will be given a 0-2 score for that round.
My opponent isn't responding/doesn't allow me to reschedule. Please contact the administrator with any disputes regarding the scheduling of matches.
What about walkovers? Walkovers result in a 2-0 victory for the player that was present at the scheduled time. You may not be walked over more than twice this tournament. If you receive a third walkover, you will be removed from the tournament.
What happens if there are odd number of players in the preliminary stage? The lowest ranked player will receive a walkover in each round.
Can I sign up late? You may sign up late only for the duration of the first two rounds. Starting with the third round, sign ups will be closed. If you sign up late, you will receive 0-2 result for each round you've missed.
How are the matchups for each round determined? Besides the first round, which has randomized matchups, in each subsequent round we'll start with the top player and pair him with a player of same score as him. If there are none who has the same score as him, the one closest below him will be chosen. If there are multiple players with same score to choose from, one will be chosen at random.
Is it possible to play against the same opponent twice in the preliminary stage? Yes, but this is unlikely to happen.
What happens if there are multiple players with the same score at the 32nd place after the last round? Tiebreakers, if necessary, will be determined in the following order: (1) previous head-to-head results, if any, (2) total rounds won, (3) additional games played between involved parties.
What about banned or previously disqualified users? Banned users (for any reason) cannot enter these tournaments. Do not try to circumvent by creating smurf accounts. We will find you, and you will be disqualified from the TLS and future TL events.
What about hackers / cheaters / abusers? Any sort of cheating may result in disqualification from the TLS and from future TL events. We take cheating very seriously, and we will hand out harsh punishments.
Tournament will be held on the iCCup Server. Do not register unless you have an iCCup Account (you can get one for free right here) and can play on the iCCup server.
Official iCCup Channel: op Legacy. You're not required to join this channel to find your opponent, but referees will be in this channel if you need to ask any questions.
iCCup Name Changes: If you have changed your iCCup name you need to let the system know! Be sure to check your account details as people have been disqualified from previous TL events due to incorrect information.
iCCup Chat Commands: A short list of useful commands to aid those who are new to iCCup navigate and communicate with players/staff/refs:
/Whois [name] This command allows you look up if the person is online/offline, which channel or game they are in. E.g. /Whois Elegant
/W [name] [text] If you need to privately message or get in direct contact with someone simply type in /W followed by their name and then the message. E.g. /w TLSPlayer15 Are you ready to play?
/R [text] This command allows you to quickly reply to the last person who directly messaged you. E.g. /R Yes I am ready to play
/Join [channel] Allows you to join a channel. E.g. /Join op TSL
/DND [text] As you may have figured, this command prevents anyone from contacting you. Simply type in /DND followed by your quick note. E.g. /DND trying to qualify for TLS. To turn off DND, simply type /DND again.
Note: Spoilers: Remember, due to the nature of this tournament, games will be cast from replays. As a result, there is a potential for spoilers.
Note: In game observers: No observers outside of designated TL casters. Their IDs will be listed in the rules here. If your opponent tries to have observers, you must stop the game and contact a referee. This means you can leave if he invites his friends or just starts the game. It is your responsibility not to allow it.
Format
Preliminaries and single-elimination.
Preliminaries are a modified Swiss Format.
Instead of everyone playing everyone, every player will play seven rounds against an opponent of similar skill.
After seven rounds of preliminaries have been played, 32 players with best total scores will be chosen for the main event, which is a single-elimination bracket.
Tiebreakers, if necessary, will be determined in the following order: (1) previous head-to-head results, if any, (2) total rounds won, (3) additional games played between involved parties.
Single-elimination bracket will be filled based on your final standing in the preliminary stage. 1st place plays vs 32nd, 2nd place vs 31st, etc.
Best of 3 until Round of 8.
Best of 5 in Ro4 and Third Place.
Best of 7 in Finals.
TLS Rules
Players are permitted to stream their games in the preliminary stage; streaming or spoiling the single-elimination stage will result in disqualification.
Players may not have any stream open in the background when playing.
Any violation of TLS Rules may result in game forfeit and future suspension from TLS and other TL events.
No cheating in any way. This includes any sort of hack or illegal program and receiving messages from friends watching the stream. This also includes account sharing or playing under an ID that you did not register under.
Players must set status to /dnd during tournament matches.
Players must arrive within 20 minutes of the end of the previous round. After 20 minutes, every 10 minutes is a game loss for the player who is not present. Ex: with one player present for 30 minutes, 1-0, 40 minutes, 2-0.
If your opponent is not present for 20 minutes, please message a referee.
Players may change race between games.
Players may not play in another tournament that conflicts with TLS play time. Referees may disqualify players that delay the TLS due to scheduling conflicts.
Referees may warn and disqualify players for chat violations, including excessive or abusive insults toward players, observers, or referees.
Maps and Host Rules
Games will be hosted on one of the approved maps from the iCCup map pack.
In all series, the host must create on designated map for that round.
The map order in the preliminary stage is: Fighting Spirit -> Neo Medusa -> New Heartbreak Ridge (if necessary).
Maps cannot be played twice in a series.
It is the player's responsibility to check the map pool. If a player protests an incorrect map after playing a game on it, the game will not be replayed.
If neither of the players can host, contact the referee who will host the game for you.
Map Pool: TeamLiquid Legacy Starleague Championship will use three maps for the preliminary rounds: Fighting Spirit, Neo Medusa and New Heartbreak Ridge. Maps for the elimination round will be announced at a later date.
Download: The maps used in this tournament are from the iCCup map pool, and are available to download here
Disconnects and Lag
If your opponent is disconnecting, players should take a screenshot of the lag screen and contact the tournament referee.
If a disconnect happens in the first five minutes and there has been no player-opponent contact, game will be replayed.
In a Bo1, if a disconnect happens after player-opponent contact, disconnecting player may receive a loss. The Referee will make the final decision after reviewing the screenshot and replay.
In a Bo3, if a disconnect happens after player-contact, player must contact Referee immediately and Referee will decide how to proceed after reviewing the evidence.
Referees and Tournament Administrators reserve the right to overturn results or award wins based on evidence they see.
In a disconnecting situation, both players can agree to a regame.
If there is persistent unplayable lag (lag screen comes up more than once in a short time), players must contact a Referee who will decide how to proceed.
Coverage and Observer Rules
TL will officially cast some selected matches from each round.
No observers are allowed in games other than those designated by TL.
TL will designate "approved" observers who will be allowed to observe and broadcast games.
TL referees are also allowed to be in game.
There will only be a maximum of one observer in each match.
If game lags with an approved observer in game, that observer must leave at the request of a player. If a TL referee is in game, he will make this decision.
Observers and broadcasters are subject to the same rules for cheating and abuse as players. TL may suspend observers from future TL events if violations occur.
Guys, it doesn't matter if my account on the iccup website doesn't work, right? It's a problem for tournaments since I can't sign up and play with the same account (should probably have just started playing on a new account zz) but since this is done via the TL site it'll be fine right?
wasn't gonna sign up but 32 players is a lot how many good white bw players can there be right? hue
Great News, im very glad to see this finally happen and im also quite hyped for it :D
Some questions from the top of my head, if you don't mind
- Showmatch i always loved the Showmatch at the end of the TLS. Will there be a showmatch, don't you know for sure yet?
- activity I think the System you picked for this is interesting, but i ask myself, aren't you [the TO] worried about the amount of walkover's that could hapopen in the later Rounds?
hmh i thought i had more Questions, but only these first (;
On January 03 2016 09:54 dRaW wrote: Elimination stages are all played on 1 day?
No, each round of the 32-elimination bracket will be played per week. Ro32, Ro16, Ro8, Ro4, Third-place + Finals = 5 weeks (this gives everyone time to prepare for their opponent better).
On January 03 2016 10:06 DarkNetHunter wrote: Really can't believe Neo Medusa is being used as a map though, but I guess wanted some three player map that wasn't rehashed as much..
Yes, that's exactly the reason! :d
Also, keep in mind that these maps will "only" be used in for the preliminary stage. Elimination stage will have different maps (and 5 of them).
On January 03 2016 10:18 Cele wrote: Great News, im very glad to see this finally happen and im also quite hyped for it :D
Some questions from the top of my head, if you don't mind
- Showmatch i always loved the Showmatch at the end of the TLS. Will there be a showmatch, don't you know for sure yet?
- activity I think the System you picked for this is interesting, but i ask myself, aren't you [the TO] worried about the amount of walkover's that could hapopen in the later Rounds?
hmh i thought i had more Questions, but only these first (;
Showmatch - don't know for sure yet, but we hope there will be!
Activity - not sure what to expect about activity. We are little worried, but let's hope it won't be too big of a problem.
On January 03 2016 09:53 Slayer91 wrote: Guys, it doesn't matter if my account on the iccup website doesn't work, right? It's a problem for tournaments since I can't sign up and play with the same account (should probably have just started playing on a new account zz) but since this is done via the TL site it'll be fine right?
wasn't gonna sign up but 32 players is a lot how many good white bw players can there be right? hue
You don't have to use the same account on ICCup as your TL name. Just write the name you're gonna use on ICCup in the box when registering.
CheckIn page is showing that checkin is from 4am EST to 5:10am EST and that play starts at 5:15am, but the post says play is at 13:00 EST (1pm). Which is correct?
On January 03 2016 10:39 astroorion wrote: CheckIn page is showing that checkin is from 4am EST to 5:10am EST and that play starts at 5:15am, but the post says play is at 13:00 EST (1pm). Which is correct?
Sorry, fixed.
Correct time to play is 18:00 GMT (+00:00) (15 minutes buffer time).
I haven't watched brood war in years, but I'm always excited when there's a TL event going on. I will do everything I can to catch these games every week. Thanks to the staff for hosting, I can't wait!! :D
To be honest, its both good and bad in some terms. Eventually like very few top players will end up matching themselves all the time and the provided cast might be getting less attractive with the next weeks going on, on the other side its more interesting for weakers players, since they may be able to jump to the main event.
Ps. Does seeding after the preeliminary round includes that top1 starts at top of the bracket and top2 at the bottom (etc)?
I understand for ro32 bracket been played every weekend but for a prelim phase playing only 1 bo3 is a waste of time,what about playing atleast 3-4 bo3 ?anything will be better than 1
On January 03 2016 17:05 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I understand for ro32 bracket been played every weekend but for a prelim phase playing only 1 bo3 is a waste of time,what about playing atleast 3-4 bo3 ?anything will be better than 1
its 7 Bo3s.
The simplest way of putting it is that the first Bo3 is against a random opponent, you win or lose(2-0 or 2-1 or 1-2 or 0-2) will only determine who you play next, so if your score after the first game is 2-0 then you'll play against someone else whose score is 2-0, and lets say you win that 2-0 too now your total score is 4-0, so your next opponent will be someone whos also 4-0 or if no one is 4-0 yet then you'll play someone whos 3-1 instead, its kinda like a mini ladder, people play others of equal rank or in this case set score. Top 32 after 7 Bo3s qualify.
On January 03 2016 17:05 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I understand for ro32 bracket been played every weekend but for a prelim phase playing only 1 bo3 is a waste of time,what about playing atleast 3-4 bo3 ?anything will be better than 1
its 7 Bo3s.
The simplest way of putting it is that the first Bo3 is against a random opponent, you win or lose(2-0 or 2-1 or 1-2 or 0-2) will only determine who you play next, so if your score after the first game is 2-0 then you'll play against someone else whose score is 2-0, and lets say you win that 2-0 too now your total score is 4-0, so your next opponent will be someone whos also 4-0 or if no one is 4-0 yet then you'll play someone whos 3-1 instead, its kinda like a mini ladder, people play others of equal rank or in this case set score. Top 32 after 7 Bo3s qualify.
Thats perfect,but prolonging it that long is not a good idea,better to play atleast 2 rounds in one day if not more (for prelims)
So the last SSL used HBR to even the race distribution after an all T semi-final in the previous league which is understandable. But considering the race distribution of foreigner players I cannot believe that you are using such a map as heartbreak ridge. If you want to avoid Terrans that much, why not just use central plains and battle royal? Well, you probably plan to use them in the elimination stage anyway, so just let Scan participate so I can watch atleast one Terran in the whole thing.
On January 03 2016 09:53 Slayer91 wrote: Guys, it doesn't matter if my account on the iccup website doesn't work, right? It's a problem for tournaments since I can't sign up and play with the same account (should probably have just started playing on a new account zz) but since this is done via the TL site it'll be fine right?
wasn't gonna sign up but 32 players is a lot how many good white bw players can there be right? hue
You don't have to use the same account on ICCup as your TL name. Just write the name you're gonna use on ICCup in the box when registering.
yeah I figured, should be fine then.
On January 03 2016 19:03 Cryoc wrote: So the last SSL used HBR to even the race distribution after an all T semi-final in the previous league which is understandable. But considering the race distribution of foreigner players I cannot believe that you are using such a map as heartbreak ridge. If you want to avoid Terrans that much, why not just use central plains and battle royal? Well, you probably plan to use them in the elimination stage anyway, so just let Scan participate so I can watch atleast one Terran in the whole thing.
is HBR that bad? FS and Medusa are both considered T favoured aren't they? Should balance it out a little. Seems to me like theres a lot of strong foreign zergs though and both medusa and hbr stats indicate Z>P
On January 03 2016 20:09 lakrismamma wrote: Will there be spoilerfree vods the day after? Its prefect for my drinking schedual. Also what casters will there be?
There will be a spoilerfree cast the day after the casts (VODs should also follow the day after that) - Sundays at 19:00 GMT (+00:00).
Main casters will be Sayle and Cats_Paw. Others may join in or substitute them if one of them can't make it.
On January 03 2016 17:05 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I understand for ro32 bracket been played every weekend but for a prelim phase playing only 1 bo3 is a waste of time,what about playing atleast 3-4 bo3 ?anything will be better than 1
its 7 Bo3s.
The simplest way of putting it is that the first Bo3 is against a random opponent, you win or lose(2-0 or 2-1 or 1-2 or 0-2) will only determine who you play next, so if your score after the first game is 2-0 then you'll play against someone else whose score is 2-0, and lets say you win that 2-0 too now your total score is 4-0, so your next opponent will be someone whos also 4-0 or if no one is 4-0 yet then you'll play someone whos 3-1 instead, its kinda like a mini ladder, people play others of equal rank or in this case set score. Top 32 after 7 Bo3s qualify.
Thats perfect,but prolonging it that long is not a good idea,better to play atleast 2 rounds in one day if not more (for prelims)
On January 03 2016 19:30 RoomOfMush wrote: I agree with [sc1f]eonzerg, 1 Bo3 per week seems really drawn out. I fear that players might not pull through those 7 weeks just to get to the ro32.
I already talked with eon on skype about this, but wanted to write it down here as well for everyone who's worried about the format of the preliminaries.
Yes, playing 1 bo3 per week is a bit drawn out and may very well lead to some players not pulling through the whole 7 weeks. This is the one (and only?) disadvantage that we came up with when discussing the format.
Changing it to play more bo3s per week is hard because of the constraints of the format we chose. After every bo3 match, we need to collect all the replays, results, verify them and update the total standings table. Then we need to determine the matchups for the next bo3 based on those standings. Because we don't have a software that does this for us automatically instantly, we need to do it by hand and that takes time.
The reason we went for this format, despite this flaw, are its many benefits, some of which are: - everyone plays same amount of matches (no bo1 and you're out) - flexible schedule (new matchups will be posted on Monday and you have until Saturday to reschedule your match if you can't make it at the designated time) - fairly assesses the best players while also giving weaker players a chance to play interesting matches against opponents of similar skill - lets you know who is your opponent almost a week in advance, giving you time to prepare very specific builds for that particular matchup/player - it provides fair seeds for the 32-elimination bracket - gives entertainment to viewers following the table standings of players after each week (much like a Ladder stage)
On January 03 2016 09:53 Slayer91 wrote: Guys, it doesn't matter if my account on the iccup website doesn't work, right? It's a problem for tournaments since I can't sign up and play with the same account (should probably have just started playing on a new account zz) but since this is done via the TL site it'll be fine right?
wasn't gonna sign up but 32 players is a lot how many good white bw players can there be right? hue
You don't have to use the same account on ICCup as your TL name. Just write the name you're gonna use on ICCup in the box when registering.
On January 03 2016 19:03 Cryoc wrote: So the last SSL used HBR to even the race distribution after an all T semi-final in the previous league which is understandable. But considering the race distribution of foreigner players I cannot believe that you are using such a map as heartbreak ridge. If you want to avoid Terrans that much, why not just use central plains and battle royal? Well, you probably plan to use them in the elimination stage anyway, so just let Scan participate so I can watch atleast one Terran in the whole thing.
is HBR that bad? FS and Medusa are both considered T favoured aren't they? Should balance it out a little. Seems to me like theres a lot of strong foreign zergs though and both medusa and hbr stats indicate Z>P
Nowadays apparently every map, that has a 50% winrate in any TvX is Terran favored. And yeah, Medusa is so T favored, that it contributed to the creation of the 6 dragons.
On January 04 2016 00:27 vanatir wrote: i cant play 9.01. if it is possible, i like to reschedule to 10.1 or sth
We can't allow rescheduling for the first round since the first round has randomized matchups and you won't know your opponent until the last minute (I guess I could ask your opponent if he would agree to postpone your match until tomorrow, but I can't force him to do so since there is only one additional day before the games has to be played - it's up to the goodness of his heart I suppose).
If you can't make it to the first round, you can start with a 0-2 score in the first round and then win all your games in the next rounds ^^
Also, keep in mind that it's not necessary to check-in in the TL tournament system. Everyone who signs-up will be considered as participating in the tournament and checked-in automatically.
Edited the "Registration" part of the main post to clarify this.
I hope marwin and/or gargoyle can participate. I dont know why they never played in any TLS tournaments, but they have proven themselves in defiler cups and nation wars to be among the stongest foreign terrans. I encourage them to play!
Thank you TL for organizing these great events and Brain for sponsoring. Good luck to all players. For someone that dont play BW anymore, but watches it all the time, i am very grateful towards all active players and for the amount of time and effort they invest in BW and for providing entertaining games for us fans.
If I register/sign up now but miss any week do I get a 0-2? Can't I just declare which weeks I can or cannot play? Seems weird to penalize if I can only participate in certain weeks if busy due to life issues.
On January 04 2016 16:52 dRaW wrote: If I register/sign up now but miss any week do I get a 0-2? Can't I just declare which weeks I can or cannot play? Seems weird to penalize if I can only participate in certain weeks if busy due to life issues.
its only for the first week, and depending on that result all the players will have their next opponent assigned to them in advance so you you'll have a whole week to schedule around to play that game.
On January 04 2016 16:52 dRaW wrote: If I register/sign up now but miss any week do I get a 0-2? Can't I just declare which weeks I can or cannot play? Seems weird to penalize if I can only participate in certain weeks if busy due to life issues.
Well, besides first week, you have a whole week to play your match each week. It can't be longer than that because even one unplayed match halts the entire tournament, since we can't make the matchups without knowing the full results of previous round.
On January 04 2016 20:11 HeyImFinn wrote: Is there room for more casters, or is it pretty much set for now?
It is pretty much set now, but who knows, a chance to cast might always open due to some unforeseen circumstances of our casters.
On January 03 2016 14:01 trutaCz wrote: Ps. Does seeding after the preeliminary round includes that top1 starts at top of the bracket and top2 at the bottom (etc)?
On January 03 2016 10:18 Cele wrote: Great News, im very glad to see this finally happen and im also quite hyped for it :D
Some questions from the top of my head, if you don't mind
- Showmatch i always loved the Showmatch at the end of the TLS. Will there be a showmatch, don't you know for sure yet?
- activity I think the System you picked for this is interesting, but i ask myself, aren't you [the TO] worried about the amount of walkover's that could hapopen in the later Rounds?
hmh i thought i had more Questions, but only these first (;
Showmatch - don't know for sure yet, but we hope there will be!
Activity - not sure what to expect about activity. We are little worried, but let's hope it won't be too big of a problem.
On January 03 2016 14:01 trutaCz wrote: Ps. Does seeding after the preeliminary round includes that top1 starts at top of the bracket and top2 at the bottom (etc)?
I just wanted to offer some input on the swiss system and how it will progress into a 32 player elimination bracket. I think it's a good idea, but you will need to reserve a weekend for seeding matches and/or tie-breakers.
How a swiss system would progress with 64 players & 6 rounds (numbers are amount of players with even scores) ->
On January 05 2016 20:37 GeckoXp wrote: and now this thread has eywanomics. cant get any better. oh wait, write ups planned regularly?
well you know how it is, having a private life (that can be a bitch sometimes) AND doing BW content. It doesn't always work out. Also bump this thread.
On January 06 2016 20:29 Pulimuli wrote: Ill be at work when the sign in is starting, does that mean i cant sign in/sign up?
Sign-up is opened right now. Everyone who signs-up will be considered as participating in the tournament and included in the match-ups, even if they miss the first week.
On January 07 2016 09:46 Cele wrote: your notable player table at the top end of the player list isn't really up to date atm. Some notable players are not on it.
now there's also somebody on the list who is most definitely not notable well in all seriousness, i think the list it could use some refreshing, so people have a good idea of the who is who of the current foreign scene, but obviously it's a question of one's POV.
It's not really important but i was bored and wanted to bump this thread ^^
On January 07 2016 09:46 Cele wrote: your notable player table at the top end of the player list isn't really up to date atm. Some notable players are not on it.
On January 07 2016 17:00 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: No offense to cele but why is he listed as notable player? Also dienmax is pretty good and he isnt listed as one.
Generally, before the start of a swiss system, a player knows how many wins they need to place X or, more appropriately, how many losses they can afford to take. Is this going to be information that will be given for the players or for each player to calculate themselves?
Also, the separation between 0-2, 1-2, 2-1 and 2-0 doesn't make much sense (aside from seeding) because everyone plays the same amount of games, the amount of set wins will prove more important than any additional wins recorded within a set loss unless individual game losses are disregarded in the calculation.
The biggest problem I see with it is if you're an Elite player, there is no incentive to win 2-0, if you're playing against a C/D rank in the first round, you can easily throw one of the games to give yourself an easier opponent in the second round. This applies because if you win 5-7 rounds, you're likely going to qualify regardless of your score due to the win count.
Another problem I have with it is, it doesn't give every player the opportunity to play for a 3rd point (if in fact a seed does come down to that)
Hockey Comparison -
It's kind of like the NHL system of W = 2, OTL = 1, L = 0 The International system for Hockey is W = 3, OTW = 2, OTL = 1, L = 0
The seeding is the whole point of separating 0-2, 1-2, 2-1 and 2-0 results. So the players have pretty substantial incentive to win 2-0, because they'll get higher seed than winning 2-1.
Throwing the game in the first round to get an easier opponent in the second round can backfire pretty easily, since the first round is randomized, so the matchups of second round are guaranteed not to be fully representative of player's skill. And throwing that one game just might make a difference between the seed number you get, so I don't recommend it ^^.
We also do recognize that the number of sets won matter more than the number of individual games won, which is why the tiebreakers between players, if it comes to them, are determined in the following order: (1) previous head-to-head results, if any, (2) total rounds won, (3) total games won, (4) additional games played between involved parties.
On January 07 2016 16:44 dRaW wrote: Looking forward to the casts, I guess I'll wait until week 4 to sign up and hope I can advance.
We had a pretty lengthy discussion about this and we have decided to allow late sign-ups only for the first two rounds. We don't want some poor guy with a result of 0-6 have to play you in the fourth round when you decide to join in.
We have also added/edited the following questions to the FAQ:
My opponent isn't responding/doesn't allow me to reschedule. Please contact the administrator with any disputes regarding the scheduling of matches.
What happens if there's an uneven amount of players? The lowest ranked player will receive a walkover in each round.
Can I sign up late? You may sign up late only for the duration of first two rounds. Starting with the third round, sign ups will be closed. If you sign up late, you will receive 0-2 result for each round you've missed.
What about walkovers? Walkovers result in a 2-0 victory for the player that was present at the scheduled time. You may not be walked over more than twice this tournament. If you receive a third walkover, you will be removed from the tournament.
On January 08 2016 01:25 2Pacalypse- wrote: The seeding is the whole point of separating 0-2, 1-2, 2-1 and 2-0 results. So the players have pretty substantial incentive to win 2-0, because they'll get higher seed than winning 2-1.
Throwing the game in the first round to get an easier opponent in the second round can backfire pretty easily, since the first round is randomized, so the matchups of second round are guaranteed not to be fully representative of player's skill. And throwing that one game just might make a difference between the seed number you get, so I don't recommend it ^^.
We also do recognize that the number of sets won matter more than the number of individual games won, which is why the tiebreakers between players, if it comes to them, are determined in the following order: (1) previous head-to-head results, if any, (2) total rounds won, (3) total games won, (4) additional games played between involved parties.
I disagree, you're not necessarily increasing your chances of finishing first, but you are increasing your chances of qualification I would think. Since in your scenario of how seeding is decided (4 things listed above), losses are pretty much disregarded.
Based on that, it seems to me like
2-1 x 6 + 1-2 x1 > 2-0 x 6 + 0-2 x 1
Based on your tie breaker/seeding system, 0-2 < 1-2 < 2-1 = 2-0
If you= win 2-1, you're not necessarily increasing your chances in the second round, but you don't have to win the second round, if you have 6 wins, in a swiss system of 64 players you're basically top 4. However, by sacrificing some matches, you have a higher probability of hitting lesser players along the way I would think. (again I use probability because nothing is certain, you can run into an 0-6 draw that has now transitioned to 6-6 3 rounds later and completely screw yourself - but even losing 1 round is no big deal).
Ah, I see where the confusion is coming from. We're not taking set wins to determine your place in the standings table, but your individual games (ratio of win-loss games to be specific). We wanted the preliminary stage to emulate the Ladder stage as close as possible, and this is how the Ladder works (every game counts for points).
So from your example if two players had following results after seven rounds: 2-1 x6 + 1-2 x1 and 2-0 x6 + 0-2 x1, they wouldn't even be considered for tiebreakers because their total scores are: 13-8 for first player and 12-2 for second player. Since they don't have the same score, tiebreakers are not considered and their ratio of win-loss games determine their place in the standings table, ie. 12-2 score has higher ratio than 13-8 so he'll obviously be higher in the table.
The tiebreakers should be pretty rare, but they can happen for example with the following two players: 5x 1-2 + 2x 2-0 and 4x 2-1 + 1x 1-2 + 2x 0-2. In this example both players have a total of 9-10 score, at which point the tiebreaker rules start to apply, ie. the second player will be given advantage since he has more set wins (unless the first player has won head-to-head match vs the second player).
We know that with taking individual games as a criteria for determining your place in the standings table there is a possibility of some edge-cases like a player who hasn't won a single bo3 match (7x 1-2 score) is treated as a better player against someone who has won two bo3 matches (2x 2-0 + 5x 0-2). But I think this is the correct way to look at it, and it's exactly how it is in a proper Ladder.
Btw, thank you for bringing this up to our attention. This was definitely an oversight by us, as we didn't write this down clearly in our original post.
On January 07 2016 17:00 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: No offense to cele but why is he listed as notable player? Also dienmax is pretty good and he isnt listed as one.
On January 07 2016 17:00 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: No offense to cele but why is he listed as notable player? Also dienmax is pretty good and he isnt listed as one.
Grudgematch eOn vs Cele inc!
I am taking bets!
i'm betting all my money on Eon!
New incidence of Brood War match fixing betting scandal incoming?
On January 10 2016 04:30 dRaW wrote: Any match ups posted? I know there will be a cast tomorrow but I'm sure they won't cast all the games.
You can see the full results in the bracket - warning: Spoilers! (edit: nvm, I hid the results until the cast tomorrow - you can still see the matchups!).
On January 07 2016 04:28 TT1 wrote: fuck i only have 2-3 days to practice -_-..
haha, I see that you registered payam.
edit: wow i press register, goes afk to walk my dogs.. comes back and I'm not registered ;|| Alright i'll play in the next one.
i wrecked my back 2 days ago and it hasnt healed yet -_-, cant even sit in my chair. too much heavy liftin for this old man..
What did you do now. Been lifting to many girls in ur arms? ;-]
You went to the doctors tho?
tried to be like the cool kids and LIFT, too much weight tho G_G. its getting better tho, ill probably play in next weeks tourney unless i accidentally cut my fingers off or somethin...
On January 07 2016 04:28 TT1 wrote: fuck i only have 2-3 days to practice -_-..
haha, I see that you registered payam.
edit: wow i press register, goes afk to walk my dogs.. comes back and I'm not registered ;|| Alright i'll play in the next one.
i wrecked my back 2 days ago and it hasnt healed yet -_-, cant even sit in my chair. too much heavy liftin for this old man..
What did you do now. Been lifting to many girls in ur arms? ;-]
You went to the doctors tho?
tried to be like the cool kids and LIFT, too much weight tho G_G. its getting better tho, ill probably play in next weeks tourney unless i accidentally cut my fingers off or somethin...
Then my question is. How much do you lift ? I had too ask. Ahh, get well bro maybe i'll see you there
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