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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 17:30:04
December 25 2015 17:26 GMT
#1
It has been several months since the first TLC was run back in July. Despite facing many unforeseen difficulties including but not limited to stream delays, caster disappearances and strong community backlash over various organizational decisions, the TLC was run with the utmost care to details. Through 20 iterations which involved many map changes, including a unique iteration due to sponsor preferences, the TLC managed to provide a battleground for the foreign community as well as entertainment for the hundreds of viewers that tuned in weekly.

Though this is the end for TeamLiquid's latest BW tournament, lots of memories were made in the process of trying to show the world our love and passion for the greatest RTS game of all time. Several weeks have passed since the last TLC was casted so now is the best time to look at the overall numbers. The infograph presented below provides details about TLC as a whole from race distributions to viewer count and maps casted among other things. As a special treat, we have also managed to find a caster for TLC15. Cats_paw will be casting TLC15 on Sunday at 19:00 GMT (+00:00) so make sure not to miss it!

In closing, we would like to thank the players, the viewers and everyone who made TLC successful and part of their daily Saturday routine. Stay tuned for news about the upcoming TLS which will be posted soon!

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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
December 25 2015 17:51 GMT
#2
Thanks TL, this is amazing.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 18:13:49
December 25 2015 18:13 GMT
#3
Awesome!

I wasn't around until december but I'm going to watch them all
570 apm? lol slow down

According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
December 25 2015 18:32 GMT
#4
very neat
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
December 25 2015 18:55 GMT
#5
And I saw all of them! (Well, except TLC15)

By the way, did anyone find out yet what happened to Sayle? I hope he is just vacationing or needed a break or something. It would be a shame if something bad happened to him.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 25 2015 19:04 GMT
#6
VODS Somewhere? I wanna see flip pro Artanis in Action
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1710 Posts
December 25 2015 19:16 GMT
#7
I didn't manage to catch them all, but, thoroughly enjoyed the ones I did. Cheers guys
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9505 Posts
December 25 2015 19:18 GMT
#8
On December 26 2015 03:55 RoomOfMush wrote:
And I saw all of them! (Well, except TLC15)

By the way, did anyone find out yet what happened to Sayle? I hope he is just vacationing or needed a break or something. It would be a shame if something bad happened to him.

Sayle had a few things going on so he took some time off. He is fine though and should be back into action soon!

On December 26 2015 04:04 LemOn wrote:
VODS Somewhere? I wanna see flip pro Artanis in Action

VODs and Replays of all 20 cups can be found on Liquipedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Legacy_Cup_1
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Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
December 25 2015 19:32 GMT
#9
For the last 3 years my mind read the name as truCatz, I was about to call out out on your mistake when I thought to research it first .... what the hell. trutaCz..........


Thanks for the visualization !
Where is my ACE flair
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4990 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 19:50:23
December 25 2015 19:49 GMT
#10
So... The Scan drama took away half the viewers?
FBH #1!
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
December 25 2015 19:55 GMT
#11
I think Scan brought IN viewers.
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
December 25 2015 20:06 GMT
#12
beautiful graphics
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
December 25 2015 20:47 GMT
#13
heh, nice!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary951 Posts
December 25 2015 20:55 GMT
#14
really great graphics and data!
can you please share the 570 apm rep?
agentzimp
TL+ Member
Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
December 25 2015 20:58 GMT
#15
Wow, this is really well done!

Definitely enjoyed the ones that I was able to catch as well, thanks for doing all this TL!
"HSC casting is essentially an LR thread read aloud." -ThomasjServo
TL+ Member
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 21:48:39
December 25 2015 21:43 GMT
#16
In terms of viewers, I think the initial excitement over TLC waned after the first couple were done and coupled with Scan's departure from TLC, there was a rather large hit in viewer count. Still, about 200 weekly viewers is great for how long TLC ran for.

On December 26 2015 05:55 zimp wrote:
really great graphics and data!
can you please share the 570 apm rep?

It was trutacz vs hugepecs, a ZvZ on Nostalgia back in TLC8.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
December 25 2015 22:23 GMT
#17
didnt tlc ban koreans from playing in it?
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
HerbMon
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States461 Posts
December 25 2015 23:21 GMT
#18
Amazing work as normal. What a great way to spend my Saturdays :D.
How we will win in the period ahead.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 26 2015 00:24 GMT
#19
On December 26 2015 06:43 BigFan wrote:
In terms of viewers, I think the initial excitement over TLC waned after the first couple were done and coupled with Scan's departure from TLC, there was a rather large hit in viewer count. Still, about 200 weekly viewers is great for how long TLC ran for.

I would have watched several tournaments but the observing tool is just too off-putting.
zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary951 Posts
December 26 2015 00:36 GMT
#20
On December 26 2015 06:43 BigFan wrote:
In terms of viewers, I think the initial excitement over TLC waned after the first couple were done and coupled with Scan's departure from TLC, there was a rather large hit in viewer count. Still, about 200 weekly viewers is great for how long TLC ran for.

Show nested quote +
On December 26 2015 05:55 zimp wrote:
really great graphics and data!
can you please share the 570 apm rep?

It was trutacz vs hugepecs, a ZvZ on Nostalgia back in TLC8.


ah thanks. There was huge lag. Hence the high apm
agentzimp
TL+ Member
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-26 01:44:24
December 26 2015 01:44 GMT
#21
some good games
but after scan leave no more terran win
and trutacz won almost everything left
so become boring again IMO ^ ^
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
December 26 2015 02:02 GMT
#22
These statistics prove what I have been claiming for a long time: That foreign Terrans need to step it up.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 26 2015 02:12 GMT
#23
On December 26 2015 04:32 Tufas wrote:
For the last 3 years my mind read the name as truCatz, I was about to call out out on your mistake when I thought to research it first .... what the hell. trutaCz..........


Thanks for the visualization !

I thought I was the only one (but only for 3 months.)

I really like the style of this graphic. Nice job guys!
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 26 2015 03:15 GMT
#24
On December 26 2015 09:24 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2015 06:43 BigFan wrote:
In terms of viewers, I think the initial excitement over TLC waned after the first couple were done and coupled with Scan's departure from TLC, there was a rather large hit in viewer count. Still, about 200 weekly viewers is great for how long TLC ran for.

I would have watched several tournaments but the observing tool is just too off-putting.

off-putting? how so?

On December 26 2015 09:36 zimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2015 06:43 BigFan wrote:
In terms of viewers, I think the initial excitement over TLC waned after the first couple were done and coupled with Scan's departure from TLC, there was a rather large hit in viewer count. Still, about 200 weekly viewers is great for how long TLC ran for.

On December 26 2015 05:55 zimp wrote:
really great graphics and data!
can you please share the 570 apm rep?

It was trutacz vs hugepecs, a ZvZ on Nostalgia back in TLC8.


ah thanks. There was huge lag. Hence the high apm

Quite likely that was the reason but with so many games played and that were potential candidates for high APM, it would've been really time consuming to manually go through each one to determine just how much of the APM was due to lag (quite subjective as well). Overall, there were a ton of games played (easily 800+) over the course of 20 TLCs.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3371 Posts
December 26 2015 05:44 GMT
#25
It was fun to watch and to play. Great tournaments! Thanks!
Horang2 fan
prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
December 26 2015 07:46 GMT
#26
Thanks, team.

Really fun compilation of stats, awesome work with the infographic Comprehensive and concise presentation of 5 months of TLC action!
Liquipedia
mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
December 26 2015 07:47 GMT
#27
trutacz switched to sc2 :D
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
December 26 2015 08:07 GMT
#28
I watched quite a few of them and really enjoyed the ones i saw. As mentioned above i think the lack of Scan and a consistent caster such as Sayle hurt the viewership.

Overall a great set of tournements
The Intrepid
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada205 Posts
December 26 2015 09:51 GMT
#29
TLC #15 still remains to be casted. The crowd demands it!
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
December 26 2015 10:04 GMT
#30
Nice job at the graphic, but... really. This year was so busy and shitty, I had a hard time following more than one or two occasional cups at best. I was really hopeing to get some more than what's already on Liquipedia. Where are the story arcs? Seems tacz is dominating, but was that all? Are there recommended games? Disappointing guys. Especially you, Amazingxkcd. Et tu, batbatbat
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
December 26 2015 10:11 GMT
#31
wow, cool o_O
patyrykin.net
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
December 26 2015 16:17 GMT
#32
I would differ on the views.
I stopped watching at around number 11, cause i would organize for Saturday to be home and watch, and then they would be no stream or 12 hours delay. So then after about #7 to #12 i really stopped bothering, since there was no continuos garantee.

Thanks to all the people involved and really cool Graphics. Hope the Casting WILL be steady for the championship
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 26 2015 19:52 GMT
#33
On December 27 2015 01:17 pebble444 wrote:
I would differ on the views.
I stopped watching at around number 11, cause i would organize for Saturday to be home and watch, and then they would be no stream or 12 hours delay. So then after about #7 to #12 i really stopped bothering, since there was no continuos garantee.

Thanks to all the people involved and really cool Graphics. Hope the Casting WILL be steady for the championship

With the limited number of people active within the scene itself and the fact that everyone's a volunteer to begin with, it's hard to guarantee any kind of stability like that. I'm sure any hand you could help with either casting or organizing would be most welcome, however.
deus_073
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Romania187 Posts
December 26 2015 21:08 GMT
#34
nice graphics work!
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 26 2015 22:56 GMT
#35
On December 26 2015 12:15 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2015 09:24 Lucumo wrote:
On December 26 2015 06:43 BigFan wrote:
In terms of viewers, I think the initial excitement over TLC waned after the first couple were done and coupled with Scan's departure from TLC, there was a rather large hit in viewer count. Still, about 200 weekly viewers is great for how long TLC ran for.

I would have watched several tournaments but the observing tool is just too off-putting.

off-putting? how so?

I don't want to see how many units of what composition each player has. Honestly, half the fun is discovering that a player has suddenly built two reavers (or something like that) which may or may not change the game. Or maybe you think player A is finished when suddenly siege tanks are coming from a flank which you had previously missed.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-27 05:13:50
December 27 2015 05:13 GMT
#36
On December 26 2015 10:44 ggsimida wrote:
some good games
but after scan leave no more terran win
and trutacz won almost everything left
so become boring again IMO ^ ^

yes, seems like foreigner zerg players >>>>> terran or protoss players based on these results lol

On December 27 2015 01:17 pebble444 wrote:
I would differ on the views.
I stopped watching at around number 11, cause i would organize for Saturday to be home and watch, and then they would be no stream or 12 hours delay. So then after about #7 to #12 i really stopped bothering, since there was no continuos garantee.

Thanks to all the people involved and really cool Graphics. Hope the Casting WILL be steady for the championship

As artanis mentioned, the TLC was run by a group of volunteers and seeing as its volunteer work, it's hard to have a 100% guarantee that each TLC will have a cast every single week. We tried our best to make sure that there was a cast that started right on time but life is unpredictable.

On December 27 2015 07:56 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2015 12:15 BigFan wrote:
On December 26 2015 09:24 Lucumo wrote:
On December 26 2015 06:43 BigFan wrote:
In terms of viewers, I think the initial excitement over TLC waned after the first couple were done and coupled with Scan's departure from TLC, there was a rather large hit in viewer count. Still, about 200 weekly viewers is great for how long TLC ran for.

I would have watched several tournaments but the observing tool is just too off-putting.

off-putting? how so?

I don't want to see how many units of what composition each player has. Honestly, half the fun is discovering that a player has suddenly built two reavers (or something like that) which may or may not change the game. Or maybe you think player A is finished when suddenly siege tanks are coming from a flank which you had previously missed.

oh ok, I see what you're saying. You don't like that extra information and prefer it gets revealed on its own. We'll see what we can do for TLS.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
December 27 2015 05:23 GMT
#37
How can a game end in 1:51?
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
December 27 2015 16:09 GMT
#38
Whatever happened to Sayle anyway?
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 27 2015 16:42 GMT
#39
On December 27 2015 14:23 Assault_1 wrote:
How can a game end in 1:51?

2 rax into gg

On December 28 2015 01:09 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Whatever happened to Sayle anyway?

Essentially, he's been bogged down by personal matters for months now (no specifics) but he should hopefully be back for TLS.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
December 27 2015 19:21 GMT
#40
why isnt Sziky playing on this ?
I like starcraft
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 28 2015 05:40 GMT
#41
On December 28 2015 04:21 oGoZenob wrote:
why isnt Sziky playing on this ?

He was working during the times TLC was played afaik. Maybe someone else can give more details?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
December 28 2015 05:44 GMT
#42
Sziky switched to sc2 long time ago
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
December 28 2015 13:04 GMT
#43
On December 28 2015 14:44 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Sziky switched to sc2 long time ago

really ? I've never heard of him in sc2
I like starcraft
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
December 28 2015 13:23 GMT
#44
On December 26 2015 19:04 GeckoXp wrote:
Nice job at the graphic, but... really. This year was so busy and shitty, I had a hard time following more than one or two occasional cups at best. I was really hopeing to get some more than what's already on Liquipedia. Where are the story arcs? Seems tacz is dominating, but was that all? Are there recommended games? Disappointing guys. Especially you, Amazingxkcd. Et tu, batbatbat


no bw articles for you!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 28 2015 18:37 GMT
#45
66 apm wtf, that shit would make Kwark proud
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
January 10 2016 22:13 GMT
#46
On December 27 2015 14:13 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 07:56 Lucumo wrote:
On December 26 2015 12:15 BigFan wrote:
On December 26 2015 09:24 Lucumo wrote:
On December 26 2015 06:43 BigFan wrote:
In terms of viewers, I think the initial excitement over TLC waned after the first couple were done and coupled with Scan's departure from TLC, there was a rather large hit in viewer count. Still, about 200 weekly viewers is great for how long TLC ran for.

I would have watched several tournaments but the observing tool is just too off-putting.

off-putting? how so?

I don't want to see how many units of what composition each player has. Honestly, half the fun is discovering that a player has suddenly built two reavers (or something like that) which may or may not change the game. Or maybe you think player A is finished when suddenly siege tanks are coming from a flank which you had previously missed.

oh ok, I see what you're saying. You don't like that extra information and prefer it gets revealed on its own. We'll see what we can do for TLS.

Thanks by the way ;-)
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
January 22 2016 08:01 GMT
#47
This is cool. I thought my game vs Bakuryu was longer than that (on Jade) but I guess not. It sure felt like forever because my strategy was to just camp the map until he left. TT made a lot of money :omg:
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2038 Posts
January 22 2016 10:11 GMT
#48
On January 22 2016 17:01 dRaW wrote:
This is cool. I thought my game vs Bakuryu was longer than that (on Jade) but I guess not. It sure felt like forever because my strategy was to just camp the map until he left. TT made a lot of money :omg:


Isn't your game plan in PvZ is to always camp the map and wait for your opponent to leave?:D
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
idegelchik
Profile Joined September 2012
Russian Federation382 Posts
January 22 2016 17:18 GMT
#49
very cool graphic oO
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