On November 30 2006 17:27 OhThatDang wrote: what did goodfriend do so far?
Fourth in OSL does a lot. Add that to consistent performances in proleague - that gets him top positions. No matter what everyone says, he is a very good and solid player.
On November 30 2006 17:27 OhThatDang wrote: what did goodfriend do so far?
Fourth in OSL does a lot. Add that to consistent performances in proleague - that gets him top positions. No matter what everyone says, he is a very good and solid player.
On November 30 2006 17:27 OhThatDang wrote: what did goodfriend do so far?
Fourth in OSL does a lot. Add that to consistent performances in proleague - that gets him top positions. No matter what everyone says, he is a very good and solid player.
I agree entirely.
The thing is, losing 1-2 still gets you points... so even though midas beat gf, the gap was still too large for him to close so he is 0.4 points away from GF atm... that and GF's consistancy
On November 30 2006 18:07 tKd_ wrote: the powerrank is so different
The power rank is based on progamer preference. It can't be helped but to be factually inaccurate. Kespa ranking, like it or not, is based on the prize money/overall performance. It can't be helped but to be emotionally unfitting.
On November 30 2006 18:07 tKd_ wrote: the powerrank is so different
The power rank is based on progamer preference. It can't be helped but to be factually inaccurate. Kespa ranking, like it or not, is based on the prize money/overall performance. It can't be helped but to be emotionally unfitting.
Haha, you can't expect me to take this ranking seriously do you?
Jju is number 3?
No Reach and stork is in the last spot? My god, this is terrible. And only one real toss in the top 10. (Ra doesn't count fanboys, he was lucky boxer left so he could get another stab at that MSL and even then he didn't do anything good. Him getting 10th is nothing more than a pity spot for our poor, dying race. )
On November 30 2006 18:07 tKd_ wrote: the powerrank is so different
The power rank is based on progamer preference. It can't be helped but to be factually inaccurate. Kespa ranking, like it or not, is based on the prize money/overall performance. It can't be helped but to be emotionally unfitting.
Power Rank is based in DJetter's opinon...
Exactly.
On November 30 2006 18:35 ManaBlue wrote: Haha, you can't expect me to take this ranking seriously do you?
Where'd jju come from? He must've been cleaning up in the proleagues. I think it's time for Reach to retire now, he could be the best but he's probably sick of the game by now.
On November 30 2006 18:35 ManaBlue wrote: Haha, you can't expect me to take this ranking seriously do you?
Jju is number 3?
No Reach and stork is in the last spot? My god, this is terrible. And only one real toss in the top 10. (Ra doesn't count fanboys, he was lucky boxer left so he could get another stab at that MSL and even then he didn't do anything good. Him getting 10th is nothing more than a pity spot for our poor, dying race. )
Common Stork, pusan! i believe in you!
It's hard to believe a Moderator is saying such clueless things...
On November 30 2006 18:35 ManaBlue wrote: Haha, you can't expect me to take this ranking seriously do you?
Jju is number 3?
No Reach and stork is in the last spot? My god, this is terrible. And only one real toss in the top 10. (Ra doesn't count fanboys, he was lucky boxer left so he could get another stab at that MSL and even then he didn't do anything good. Him getting 10th is nothing more than a pity spot for our poor, dying race. )
Common Stork, pusan! i believe in you!
It's hard to believe a Moderator is saying such clueless things...
On November 30 2006 18:35 ManaBlue wrote: Haha, you can't expect me to take this ranking seriously do you?
Jju is number 3?
No Reach and stork is in the last spot? My god, this is terrible. And only one real toss in the top 10. (Ra doesn't count fanboys, he was lucky boxer left so he could get another stab at that MSL and even then he didn't do anything good. Him getting 10th is nothing more than a pity spot for our poor, dying race. )
Common Stork, pusan! i believe in you!
It's hard to believe a Moderator is saying such clueless things...
Awww, did I hit a button by ripping on Ra? Sorry muffin.
On November 30 2006 18:35 ManaBlue wrote: Haha, you can't expect me to take this ranking seriously do you?
Jju is number 3?
No Reach and stork is in the last spot? My god, this is terrible. And only one real toss in the top 10. (Ra doesn't count fanboys, he was lucky boxer left so he could get another stab at that MSL and even then he didn't do anything good. Him getting 10th is nothing more than a pity spot for our poor, dying race. )
Common Stork, pusan! i believe in you!
It's hard to believe a Moderator is saying such clueless things...
Awww, did I hit a button by ripping on Ra? Sorry muffin.
Thank goodness you're not a Mod. I'd expect a Mod to have better judgment. You pushed the wrong buttons by saying things that are just your personal opinions.
Nal_rA deserves to be at 10. He has performed well this season. Stork is still in the top 30, whereas Reach is not. That is a correct assessment, since Stork has performed for Samsung in many proleague games in the last season, while Reach has not. Remember that Stork was in the top 10 several months earlier because of his good performance? Well, apparently, when you're ranked that high, it takes a while to slip down in the ranks, even after a series of bad performances.
Reach NEVER displayed victories like Stork(who was in the round of 16 for Shinhan OSL), even in early 2006. And to question whether Jju should be #3 is just plain ignorant. Jju is an amazing player. He made it into the 16 round at Shinhan OSL Season2 (while being the 4th seeded player), was a semifinalist at the Pringles MSL Season 2. In the first Shinhan OSL, he eliminated Nal_rA and YellOw[Name], making it to the semifinals.
Two semifinal appearances, one round-of-16 showing, and being the ace for Samsung Khan certainly means a lot (AND actually WINNING, as opposed to his ace counterpart: Stork). He has earned his place strongly this year and should not be questioned, since his statistics certainly prove it. Jju is rightfully rank 3 on KeSPA.
Take this ranking seriously. It holds a lot of good evidence in it. You just don't know what you're talking about, "muffin."
On November 30 2006 17:46 Myxomatosis wrote: yeahhhhh NaDa!!!!
oh btw please change Ever) to TT as Ever)race(____ is a clan.
Its like saying [ReD] instead of Nada in the #1 spot.
You're mistaken. His official player ID is Ever). Lee YunYeol's official player ID is [ReD]NaDa.
What is all this "TT" crap? It's "Ever)".
Afaik his ID is Ever)P(TT which is a clan with people like Ever)Z(Maru, Ever)P(Vical, Ever)P(Violet, Ever)T(Piano etc.. calling him simply Ever) is just confusing with all the other gamers in that clan.
On November 30 2006 17:46 Myxomatosis wrote: yeahhhhh NaDa!!!!
oh btw please change Ever) to TT as Ever)race(____ is a clan.
Its like saying [ReD] instead of Nada in the #1 spot.
You're mistaken. His official player ID is Ever). Lee YunYeol's official player ID is [ReD]NaDa.
What is all this "TT" crap? It's "Ever)".
Afaik his ID is Ever)P(TT which is a clan with people like Ever)Z(Maru, Ever)P(Vical, Ever)P(Violet, Ever)T(Piano etc.. calling him simply Ever) is just confusing with all the other gamers in that clan.
On November 30 2006 17:46 Myxomatosis wrote: yeahhhhh NaDa!!!!
oh btw please change Ever) to TT as Ever)race(____ is a clan.
Its like saying [ReD] instead of Nada in the #1 spot.
You're mistaken. His official player ID is Ever). Lee YunYeol's official player ID is [ReD]NaDa.
What is all this "TT" crap? It's "Ever)".
Afaik his ID is Ever)P(TT which is a clan with people like Ever)Z(Maru, Ever)P(Vical, Ever)P(Violet, Ever)T(Piano etc.. calling him simply Ever) is just confusing with all the other gamers in that clan.
No, he is registered officially as Ever), clan or no clan.
On November 30 2006 18:35 ManaBlue wrote: Haha, you can't expect me to take this ranking seriously do you?
Jju is number 3?
No Reach and stork is in the last spot? My god, this is terrible. And only one real toss in the top 10. (Ra doesn't count fanboys, he was lucky boxer left so he could get another stab at that MSL and even then he didn't do anything good. Him getting 10th is nothing more than a pity spot for our poor, dying race. )
Common Stork, pusan! i believe in you!
It's hard to believe a Moderator is saying such clueless things...
Awww, did I hit a button by ripping on Ra? Sorry muffin.
Thank goodness you're not a Mod. I'd expect a Mod to have better judgment. You pushed the wrong buttons by saying things that are just your personal opinions.
Nal_rA deserves to be at 10. He has performed well this season. Stork is still in the top 30, whereas Reach is not. That is a correct assessment, since Stork has performed for Samsung in many proleague games in the last season, while Reach has not. Remember that Stork was in the top 10 several months earlier because of his good performance? Well, apparently, when you're ranked that high, it takes a while to slip down in the ranks, even after a series of bad performances.
Reach NEVER displayed victories like Stork(who was in the round of 16 for Shinhan OSL), even in early 2006. And to question whether Jju should be #3 is just plain ignorant. Jju is an amazing player. He made it into the 16 round at Shinhan OSL Season2 (while being the 4th seeded player), was a semifinalist at the Pringles MSL Season 2. In the first Shinhan OSL, he eliminated Nal_rA and YellOw[Name], making it to the semifinals.
Two semifinal appearances, one round-of-16 showing, and being the ace for Samsung Khan certainly means a lot (AND actually WINNING, as opposed to his ace counterpart: Stork). He has earned his place strongly this year and should not be questioned, since his statistics certainly prove it. Jju is rightfully rank 3 on KeSPA.
Take this ranking seriously. It holds a lot of good evidence in it. You just don't know what you're talking about, "muffin."
Hahaha, oh whatisprotoss, don't be so emotional about it.
Firstly, I didn't say Reach or Stork deserved to be scored any differently, only that I cry myself to sleep seeing them suck so bad. I guess you didn't see that in the context of the thread.
Secondly, Jju is not a top 3 player. He never was. He probably never will be. His presense at the top of this ranking is nothing more than a testament to how awful the other front running players have been doing. Take a look at where GF is. It's a joke.
Again, not because kespa did something wrong. Because other good players are making fools of themselves in proleague and prelims. This is a blip. Jju and GF won't be there for long.
So that resolves all that. I didn't disagree with where kespa put any of them.
As far as Ra is concerned, the only reason he's still in the top ten is because he was ranked so high in the last one. Limping his way through an MSL that he got gifted back into by a retiring player is not what I consider top 10 material. His OSL presense has been non-existent. His proleague results have been a joke. He would've dropped 5 places regardless of where he was in the list.
So again, you misunderstand my comments. This kespa ranking is a mish-mash of random players because other than savior, anytime and nada, the rest of these guys have been all over the place. To tell you the truth, I don't even know how you would start in ranking them. It's stupifying!
Your emotional response was obviously due to a misunderstanding, but yes, I do think Ra sucks. Sue me.
Okay, you're mistaken about several things. Did I say I cared whether you think Ra sucks or not? No, I just mentioned Ra is placed right where I expected him (and where he deserved).
I wasn't emotional at all, I just hate it when people say things that they don't even fully understand. The KeSPA ranking system is NOT random. It is not names drawn out of a hat. There is a specific numbering system for all of it..... as much as you think it doesn't.
Stop thinking that the KeSPA is flawed. You are the one who is flawed. Stop posting more on this subject, please.
I will just repost your idiocy, if you are confused:
1. "Jju is not a top 3 player. He never was. He probably never will be."
2. "This is a blip. Jju and GF won't be there for long."
3. "As far as Ra is concerned, the only reason he's still in the top ten is because he was ranked so high in the last one. Limping his way through an MSL that he got gifted back into by a retiring player is not what I consider top 10 material. His OSL presense has been non-existent. His proleague results have been a joke. He would've dropped 5 places regardless of where he was in the list."
Bad Comeback: "So that resolves all that. I didn't disagree with where kespa put any of them."
You have been against the Kespa results this whole time.... yet you don't disagree with them? Then why even comment on them and how they displease you?
It displeases me to see you make such ripping comments about players who are ranked high just because you do not like them (and are misinformed about them). And it displeases me to see you make such statements against anybody who would DARE talk against your opinion, thinking that they're just some clueless Nal_rA fan. No, that is not the case.
On November 30 2006 18:35 ManaBlue wrote: Haha, you can't expect me to take this ranking seriously do you?
Jju is number 3?
No Reach and stork is in the last spot? My god, this is terrible. And only one real toss in the top 10. (Ra doesn't count fanboys, he was lucky boxer left so he could get another stab at that MSL and even then he didn't do anything good. Him getting 10th is nothing more than a pity spot for our poor, dying race. )
Common Stork, pusan! i believe in you!
It's hard to believe a Moderator is saying such clueless things...
Awww, did I hit a button by ripping on Ra? Sorry muffin.
Thank goodness you're not a Mod. I'd expect a Mod to have better judgment. You pushed the wrong buttons by saying things that are just your personal opinions.
Nal_rA deserves to be at 10. He has performed well this season. Stork is still in the top 30, whereas Reach is not. That is a correct assessment, since Stork has performed for Samsung in many proleague games in the last season, while Reach has not. Remember that Stork was in the top 10 several months earlier because of his good performance? Well, apparently, when you're ranked that high, it takes a while to slip down in the ranks, even after a series of bad performances.
Reach NEVER displayed victories like Stork(who was in the round of 16 for Shinhan OSL), even in early 2006. And to question whether Jju should be #3 is just plain ignorant. Jju is an amazing player. He made it into the 16 round at Shinhan OSL Season2 (while being the 4th seeded player), was a semifinalist at the Pringles MSL Season 2. In the first Shinhan OSL, he eliminated Nal_rA and YellOw[Name], making it to the semifinals.
Two semifinal appearances, one round-of-16 showing, and being the ace for Samsung Khan certainly means a lot (AND actually WINNING, as opposed to his ace counterpart: Stork). He has earned his place strongly this year and should not be questioned, since his statistics certainly prove it. Jju is rightfully rank 3 on KeSPA.
Take this ranking seriously. It holds a lot of good evidence in it. You just don't know what you're talking about, "muffin."
Hahaha, oh whatisprotoss, don't be so emotional about it.
Firstly, I didn't say Reach or Stork deserved to be scored any differently, only that I cry myself to sleep seeing them suck so bad. I guess you didn't see that in the context of the thread.
Secondly, Jju is not a top 3 player. He never was. He probably never will be. His presense at the top of this ranking is nothing more than a testament to how awful the other front running players have been doing. Take a look at where GF is. It's a joke.
Again, not because kespa did something wrong. Because other good players are making fools of themselves in proleague and prelims. This is a blip. Jju and GF won't be there for long.
So that resolves all that. I didn't disagree with where kespa put any of them.
As far as Ra is concerned, the only reason he's still in the top ten is because he was ranked so high in the last one. Limping his way through an MSL that he got gifted back into by a retiring player is not what I consider top 10 material. His OSL presense has been non-existent. His proleague results have been a joke. He would've dropped 5 places regardless of where he was in the list.
So again, you misunderstand my comments. This kespa ranking is a mish-mash of random players because other than savior, anytime and nada, the rest of these guys have been all over the place. To tell you the truth, I don't even know how you would start in ranking them. It's stupifying!
Your emotional response was obviously due to a misunderstanding, but yes, I do think Ra sucks. Sue me.
Okay, you're mistaken about several things. Did I say I cared whether you think Ra sucks or not? No, I just mentioned Ra is placed right where I expected him (and where he deserved).
I wasn't emotional at all, I just hate it when people say things that they don't even fully understand. The KeSPA ranking system is NOT random. It is not names drawn out of a hat. There is a specific numbering system for all of it..... as much as you think it doesn't.
Stop thinking that the KeSPA is flawed. You are the one who is flawed. Stop posting more on this subject, please.
if the points carry over from a year i think its flawed, i think your points should depreciate over time personally until they are finally zero, you shouldnt lose them all at once.
Oooh I like the MB vs WIP comments here. Really profound pro-rA and con-rA arguments. I like I like keep going!
Thanks plexa, I like how you also did a comparison with DJEtter's rankings. But before anyone points out that DJEtter is wrong, he's not. It's HIS opinion about who's playing hot RIGHT NOW. Not past few months.
On November 30 2006 21:53 jkillashark wrote:Thanks plexa, I like how you also did a comparison with DJEtter's rankings. But before anyone points out that DJEtter is wrong, he's not. It's HIS opinion about who's playing hot RIGHT NOW. Not past few months.
Its also necesarry to remember etter's ratings are from last month... some players on his list dont deserve their spot due to recent times and im sure etter will change them to suit.. if this thread is still alive by the time he updates rankings ill put a new comparison up
(Ra doesn't count fanboys, he was lucky boxer left so he could get another stab at that MSL and even then he didn't do anything good. Him getting 10th is nothing more than a pity spot for our poor, dying race. )
Yeah, I guess he sucks ass cuz he lost 3-1 to Savior in the semis. How utterly pathetic that anyone can possibly lose in such a fashion
(Ra doesn't count fanboys, he was lucky boxer left so he could get another stab at that MSL and even then he didn't do anything good. Him getting 10th is nothing more than a pity spot for our poor, dying race. )
Yeah, I guess he sucks ass cuz he lost 3-1 to Savior in the semis. How utterly pathetic that anyone can possibly lose in such a fashion
Again, he didn't deserve to even make it that far. He was eliminated from the tournament.
On November 30 2006 21:29 WhatisProtoss wrote: Okay, you're mistaken about several things. Did I say I cared whether you think Ra sucks or not? No, I just mentioned Ra is placed right where I expected him (and where he deserved).
I wasn't emotional at all, I just hate it when people say things that they don't even fully understand. The KeSPA ranking system is NOT random. It is not names drawn out of a hat. There is a specific numbering system for all of it..... as much as you think it doesn't.
Stop thinking that the KeSPA is flawed. You are the one who is flawed. Stop posting more on this subject, please.
I will just repost your idiocy, if you are confused:
1. "Jju is not a top 3 player. He never was. He probably never will be."
2. "This is a blip. Jju and GF won't be there for long."
3. "As far as Ra is concerned, the only reason he's still in the top ten is because he was ranked so high in the last one. Limping his way through an MSL that he got gifted back into by a retiring player is not what I consider top 10 material. His OSL presense has been non-existent. His proleague results have been a joke. He would've dropped 5 places regardless of where he was in the list."
Bad Comeback: "So that resolves all that. I didn't disagree with where kespa put any of them."
You have been against the Kespa results this whole time.... yet you don't disagree with them? Then why even comment on them and how they displease you?
It displeases me to see you make such ripping comments about players who are ranked high just because you do not like them (and are misinformed about them). And it displeases me to see you make such statements against anybody who would DARE talk against your opinion, thinking that they're just some clueless Nal_rA fan. No, that is not the case.
Dude, you gotta read what I'm writing here.
I know who you are. I like your posts.
I express my opinions in a very blunt way because I like being a smartass and I find it makes people react to them, thus starting a fun debate. You, however, are taking it personally and are choosing not to read the words I write, simply because you don't like my tone. Tone does not equal literal meaning.
I am not disappointed in Kespa. It's great. In fact, compared to it's old self it's the best ranking SC has ever seen. I am simply pointing out facts from the ranking that show trends and events in pro SC that I have found very disppointing in the past couple months. Please read that sentence again. You ingored it the last time I wrote it.
We have one toss in the top 10 as far as I'm concerned. Ra could've just as easily dropped 6 spots instead of five. That's my point. It's sad for toss, and is a reflection of the current poor performance of every toss in the world right now, except for Anytime because he's made of magic.
You see what I was posting about now? I like kespa. I hate zerg players. Get it right.
For the record, people seem to have a problem with TT's name.
Ever)P(TT = Ever) yes they are the same user, he uses both akas and people should refer to him as TT because when talking about Ever) without using pronouns, it may become confusing who/what he is being talked about. That is to say the sentence "Ever) has good Protoss" could be interpreted as saying TT has good Protoss skills or the Ever) clan has good Protoss users.
(Ra doesn't count fanboys, he was lucky boxer left so he could get another stab at that MSL and even then he didn't do anything good. Him getting 10th is nothing more than a pity spot for our poor, dying race. )
Yeah, I guess he sucks ass cuz he lost 3-1 to Savior in the semis. How utterly pathetic that anyone can possibly lose in such a fashion
Again, he didn't deserve to even make it that far. He was eliminated from the tournament.
So we should completely ignore his later games in the tournament in pretend they never happened? :p
He was lucky he wasn't eliminated, but that doesn't take anything away from the great games he played afterwards.
On November 30 2006 23:14 Mortality wrote: Even though NaDa doesn't truly deserve the top spot unless he dethrones Savior at Superfight, I'm still glad he made it.
Come to think of it, isn't he the first person to be first in Kespa twice?
So is it Nada's past that helped him beat Savior this month? Because I was under the impression Savior's continued to bone since the MSL and Nada's been losing in Proleague.
July and Oov once the top 2 battleing it out in finals and semi-finals every starleague and now look at them... it saddens me.... this is the price you pay for practicing wcg maps... for shame... for shame... I am just happy Midas screwed up at wcg and didn't practice for it otherwise he would be low on KeSPa now also~. 3rd Place... thats the worst a Korean can do and we all know it... If Midas practiced and became #1 beating oov.... well yeah he would be happy but he would have dropped down KeSPa ranking like oov and july and probably quit sc untill he stoped crying. Midas you made the right choice my man!
P.S. Where is Nyoken on this KeSPa thingamajig... he is top 5 in world eeeeeeeeeeez EEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ!.....
I'm a bit surprised about Nada getting the 1st spot. Savior's more consistent in Proleague and has won 3 of the last 4 MSL (I'm not sure how many of them actually count though, it's calculated over the last 6 months now right? which would include at least 3 of them).
So unless OSL is worth *significantly* more points, I find this a bit weird. I think Savior should be *far* ahead of everyone else right now. I know he hasn't been in an OSL at all, but it's not like Nada has done wonders in MSL either, since he didn't get past round 2 in the last one and hadn't managed to get into one for ages before that.
(Note that I love both players and don't really mind seeing Nada on top. I'd just like to know how come.)
Actually, what would be nice would be to know the "weight" Kespa uses for all the tourneys.
On November 30 2006 23:44 G5 wrote: July and Oov once the top 2 battleing it out in finals and semi-finals every starleague and now look at them... it saddens me.... this is the price you pay for practicing wcg maps... for shame... for shame... I am just happy Midas screwed up at wcg and didn't practice for it otherwise he would be low on KeSPa now also~. 3rd Place... thats the worst a Korean can do and we all know it... If Midas practiced and became #1 beating oov.... well yeah he would be happy but he would have dropped down KeSPa ranking like oov and july and probably quit sc untill he stoped crying. Midas you made the right choice my man!
Well if WCG was worth as many points as it used to do, Oov would be something like 3rd right now.
Now it looks like WCG's being worth almost nothing (Oov fell down a lot the month he won it).
On November 30 2006 23:44 G5 wrote: July and Oov once the top 2 battleing it out in finals and semi-finals every starleague and now look at them... it saddens me.... this is the price you pay for practicing wcg maps... for shame... for shame... I am just happy Midas screwed up at wcg and didn't practice for it otherwise he would be low on KeSPa now also~. 3rd Place... thats the worst a Korean can do and we all know it... If Midas practiced and became #1 beating oov.... well yeah he would be happy but he would have dropped down KeSPa ranking like oov and july and probably quit sc untill he stoped crying. Midas you made the right choice my man!
Maybe they decided that the korean preliminaries gives points for WCG, thus he got the points in August (or whenever the preliminaries were held)?
Well if WCG was worth as many points as it used to do, Oov would be something like 3rd right now.
Now it looks like WCG's being worth almost nothing (Oov fell down a lot the month he won it).
On November 30 2006 23:14 Mortality wrote: Even though NaDa doesn't truly deserve the top spot unless he dethrones Savior at Superfight, I'm still glad he made it.
Come to think of it, isn't he the first person to be first in Kespa twice?
What do you mean? I'm pretty sure people have lost first and retaken it.
On November 30 2006 23:14 Mortality wrote: Even though NaDa doesn't truly deserve the top spot unless he dethrones Savior at Superfight, I'm still glad he made it.
Come to think of it, isn't he the first person to be first in Kespa twice?
On November 30 2006 21:29 WhatisProtoss wrote: Okay, you're mistaken about several things. Did I say I cared whether you think Ra sucks or not? No, I just mentioned Ra is placed right where I expected him (and where he deserved).
I wasn't emotional at all, I just hate it when people say things that they don't even fully understand. The KeSPA ranking system is NOT random. It is not names drawn out of a hat. There is a specific numbering system for all of it..... as much as you think it doesn't.
Stop thinking that the KeSPA is flawed. You are the one who is flawed. Stop posting more on this subject, please.
I will just repost your idiocy, if you are confused:
1. "Jju is not a top 3 player. He never was. He probably never will be."
2. "This is a blip. Jju and GF won't be there for long."
3. "As far as Ra is concerned, the only reason he's still in the top ten is because he was ranked so high in the last one. Limping his way through an MSL that he got gifted back into by a retiring player is not what I consider top 10 material. His OSL presense has been non-existent. His proleague results have been a joke. He would've dropped 5 places regardless of where he was in the list."
Bad Comeback: "So that resolves all that. I didn't disagree with where kespa put any of them."
You have been against the Kespa results this whole time.... yet you don't disagree with them? Then why even comment on them and how they displease you?
It displeases me to see you make such ripping comments about players who are ranked high just because you do not like them (and are misinformed about them). And it displeases me to see you make such statements against anybody who would DARE talk against your opinion, thinking that they're just some clueless Nal_rA fan. No, that is not the case.
Dude, you gotta read what I'm writing here.
I know who you are. I like your posts.
I express my opinions in a very blunt way because I like being a smartass and I find it makes people react to them, thus starting a fun debate. You, however, are taking it personally and are choosing not to read the words I write, simply because you don't like my tone. Tone does not equal literal meaning.
I am not disappointed in Kespa. It's great. In fact, compared to it's old self it's the best ranking SC has ever seen. I am simply pointing out facts from the ranking that show trends and events in pro SC that I have found very disppointing in the past couple months. Please read that sentence again. You ingored it the last time I wrote it.
We have one toss in the top 10 as far as I'm concerned. Ra could've just as easily dropped 6 spots instead of five. That's my point. It's sad for toss, and is a reflection of the current poor performance of every toss in the world right now, except for Anytime because he's made of magic.
You see what I was posting about now? I like kespa. I hate zerg players. Get it right.
you have always been my least favorite news writer because of your bad bias. it makes you seem misinformed and that is where whatisprotoss is arguing, despite how emotional he tends to get in his arguments. whether or not you do know the progaming scene, you're not really qualified to judge kespa rankings if you have sentiments like "omg i hate jju he is not as cool as reach how is he 3rd despite his great performance lately?!"
jju made two major semifinals (the recent MSL and the OSL before this last one). plus hes about to rape tossgirl and he probably got bonus points for 5 pooling reach in the ace match of samsung vs KTF a while ago. he rocks.
i'm glad manablue got shut down, he really deserved it.
On December 01 2006 00:56 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: jju made two major semifinals (the recent MSL and the OSL before this last one). plus hes about to rape tossgirl and he probably got bonus points for 5 pooling reach in the ace match of samsung vs KTF a while ago. he rocks.
exactly, jju performs extremly well and always manages to qualify for osl/msl. Same for GF, he's always there in osl and last time he even reached the semi-final and lost it against the future champion, wooo what a shame.
On December 01 2006 00:56 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: jju made two major semifinals (the recent MSL and the OSL before this last one). plus hes about to rape tossgirl and he probably got bonus points for 5 pooling reach in the ace match of samsung vs KTF a while ago. he rocks.
Amen! For past 2-3 months I was very distracted by people who hates Jju. Jju deserves his rank, no doubts, and thats why I think KeSPA > DjEtter
What better options are there, Orome? The power rank is fun but you can't call it an "accurate measure of the player's performance" either, so what are we to do but turn to ranking professionals?
Watching the games you get a feel for who's winning more convincingly and losing only close matches (something not included in Kespa) but to have an objective stance you would need to watch all games and not be biased, not just the latter.
The points allocated to each event may be unfair or odd when compared to one another, and Kespa does have its' flaws, but it's still the most objective ranking we've got without actually watching every game played. Right?
I'm not saying anything else is perfect, I'm saying Kespa isn't. It's not that Kespa doesn't take into account how close the games were, it's that the way the points are distributed are inaccurate. Just look at the rankings, it's very obvious they're not too accurate.
I'm curious in the sense that how did SiLvEr rise only two spots with a MSL second place. Like, it's not like they take into account how they get there, other than the players whom he beat. He did take out some big name Tosses and beat the current #3 Kespa, so it seems like he got shafted this month. Not that I like silver or anything, but I was just wondering what happened..
OOv shouldn't get credit for WCG seeing as he just tore through players who were unbelievable shitty compared him. He can't beat people his own size ATM.
On November 30 2006 21:29 WhatisProtoss wrote: Okay, you're mistaken about several things. Did I say I cared whether you think Ra sucks or not? No, I just mentioned Ra is placed right where I expected him (and where he deserved).
I wasn't emotional at all, I just hate it when people say things that they don't even fully understand. The KeSPA ranking system is NOT random. It is not names drawn out of a hat. There is a specific numbering system for all of it..... as much as you think it doesn't.
Stop thinking that the KeSPA is flawed. You are the one who is flawed. Stop posting more on this subject, please.
I will just repost your idiocy, if you are confused:
1. "Jju is not a top 3 player. He never was. He probably never will be."
2. "This is a blip. Jju and GF won't be there for long."
3. "As far as Ra is concerned, the only reason he's still in the top ten is because he was ranked so high in the last one. Limping his way through an MSL that he got gifted back into by a retiring player is not what I consider top 10 material. His OSL presense has been non-existent. His proleague results have been a joke. He would've dropped 5 places regardless of where he was in the list."
Bad Comeback: "So that resolves all that. I didn't disagree with where kespa put any of them."
You have been against the Kespa results this whole time.... yet you don't disagree with them? Then why even comment on them and how they displease you?
It displeases me to see you make such ripping comments about players who are ranked high just because you do not like them (and are misinformed about them). And it displeases me to see you make such statements against anybody who would DARE talk against your opinion, thinking that they're just some clueless Nal_rA fan. No, that is not the case.
Dude, you gotta read what I'm writing here.
I know who you are. I like your posts.
I express my opinions in a very blunt way because I like being a smartass and I find it makes people react to them, thus starting a fun debate. You, however, are taking it personally and are choosing not to read the words I write, simply because you don't like my tone. Tone does not equal literal meaning.
I am not disappointed in Kespa. It's great. In fact, compared to it's old self it's the best ranking SC has ever seen. I am simply pointing out facts from the ranking that show trends and events in pro SC that I have found very disppointing in the past couple months. Please read that sentence again. You ingored it the last time I wrote it.
We have one toss in the top 10 as far as I'm concerned. Ra could've just as easily dropped 6 spots instead of five. That's my point. It's sad for toss, and is a reflection of the current poor performance of every toss in the world right now, except for Anytime because he's made of magic.
You see what I was posting about now? I like kespa. I hate zerg players. Get it right.
you have always been my least favorite news writer because of your bad bias. it makes you seem misinformed and that is where whatisprotoss is arguing, despite how emotional he tends to get in his arguments. whether or not you do know the progaming scene, you're not really qualified to judge kespa rankings if you have sentiments like "omg i hate jju he is not as cool as reach how is he 3rd despite his great performance lately?!"
My news writing is gold. It's my jokes and emphasis on style of play as well as my insulting of bonehead plays that make the reports interesting.
The day I wipe my opinions from my writing to appease politically correct crybabies like you is the day I quit writing forever.
On November 30 2006 21:29 WhatisProtoss wrote: Okay, you're mistaken about several things. Did I say I cared whether you think Ra sucks or not? No, I just mentioned Ra is placed right where I expected him (and where he deserved).
I wasn't emotional at all, I just hate it when people say things that they don't even fully understand. The KeSPA ranking system is NOT random. It is not names drawn out of a hat. There is a specific numbering system for all of it..... as much as you think it doesn't.
Stop thinking that the KeSPA is flawed. You are the one who is flawed. Stop posting more on this subject, please.
I will just repost your idiocy, if you are confused:
1. "Jju is not a top 3 player. He never was. He probably never will be."
2. "This is a blip. Jju and GF won't be there for long."
3. "As far as Ra is concerned, the only reason he's still in the top ten is because he was ranked so high in the last one. Limping his way through an MSL that he got gifted back into by a retiring player is not what I consider top 10 material. His OSL presense has been non-existent. His proleague results have been a joke. He would've dropped 5 places regardless of where he was in the list."
Bad Comeback: "So that resolves all that. I didn't disagree with where kespa put any of them."
You have been against the Kespa results this whole time.... yet you don't disagree with them? Then why even comment on them and how they displease you?
It displeases me to see you make such ripping comments about players who are ranked high just because you do not like them (and are misinformed about them). And it displeases me to see you make such statements against anybody who would DARE talk against your opinion, thinking that they're just some clueless Nal_rA fan. No, that is not the case.
Dude, you gotta read what I'm writing here.
I know who you are. I like your posts.
I express my opinions in a very blunt way because I like being a smartass and I find it makes people react to them, thus starting a fun debate. You, however, are taking it personally and are choosing not to read the words I write, simply because you don't like my tone. Tone does not equal literal meaning.
I am not disappointed in Kespa. It's great. In fact, compared to it's old self it's the best ranking SC has ever seen. I am simply pointing out facts from the ranking that show trends and events in pro SC that I have found very disppointing in the past couple months. Please read that sentence again. You ingored it the last time I wrote it.
We have one toss in the top 10 as far as I'm concerned. Ra could've just as easily dropped 6 spots instead of five. That's my point. It's sad for toss, and is a reflection of the current poor performance of every toss in the world right now, except for Anytime because he's made of magic.
You see what I was posting about now? I like kespa. I hate zerg players. Get it right.
you have always been my least favorite news writer because of your bad bias. it makes you seem misinformed and that is where whatisprotoss is arguing, despite how emotional he tends to get in his arguments. whether or not you do know the progaming scene, you're not really qualified to judge kespa rankings if you have sentiments like "omg i hate jju he is not as cool as reach how is he 3rd despite his great performance lately?!"
My news writing is gold. It's my jokes and emphasis on style of play as well as my insulting of bonehead plays that make the reports interesting.
The day I wipe my opinions from my writing to appease politically correct crybabies like you is the day I quit writing forever.
theres nothing wrong with opinions, but when your opinions make you obnoxious/blatantly wrong it gets old fast.
i have skimmed over most of your posts here however you implied that reach and stork are better/should be rated higher than ra. thats just retarded, and thats just this thread.
On November 30 2006 23:12 ManaBlue wrote: I express my opinions in a very blunt way because I like being a smartass and I find it makes people react to them, thus starting a fun debate.
and it starts debates because its annoying and quite often stupid, not because its a cute little quirky personality trait or whatever you seem to think.
On December 01 2006 12:03 IdrA wrote: i have skimmed over most of your posts here however you implied that reach and stork are better/should be rated higher than ra. thats just retarded, and thats just this thread.
and stop whining about pvz.
You guys are starting to piss me off. I didn't imply shit. I said directly that seeing stork and reach suck makes me sad. I said nothing about their rankings.
If you find me overly opinionated, thats fine, but don't put words in my mouth.
I actually happen to like ManaBlue's writing. The blatant bias adds personality and he does provide a report of what's going on which is more than I can say for his critics. If you're able to actually provide a humourous yet informative game report then by all means do it.
On December 01 2006 12:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I'm going to brag now, cause looking at that list I realized I beat 5 of the top 30 players in the world atm. That is friggin sexy, god I am so cool.
Including JJu, current #3? I am impressed with myself.
Give me reps and I'll let you give my sister babies
On November 30 2006 21:29 WhatisProtoss wrote: Okay, you're mistaken about several things. Did I say I cared whether you think Ra sucks or not? No, I just mentioned Ra is placed right where I expected him (and where he deserved).
I wasn't emotional at all, I just hate it when people say things that they don't even fully understand. The KeSPA ranking system is NOT random. It is not names drawn out of a hat. There is a specific numbering system for all of it..... as much as you think it doesn't.
Stop thinking that the KeSPA is flawed. You are the one who is flawed. Stop posting more on this subject, please.
I will just repost your idiocy, if you are confused:
1. "Jju is not a top 3 player. He never was. He probably never will be."
2. "This is a blip. Jju and GF won't be there for long."
3. "As far as Ra is concerned, the only reason he's still in the top ten is because he was ranked so high in the last one. Limping his way through an MSL that he got gifted back into by a retiring player is not what I consider top 10 material. His OSL presense has been non-existent. His proleague results have been a joke. He would've dropped 5 places regardless of where he was in the list."
Bad Comeback: "So that resolves all that. I didn't disagree with where kespa put any of them."
You have been against the Kespa results this whole time.... yet you don't disagree with them? Then why even comment on them and how they displease you?
It displeases me to see you make such ripping comments about players who are ranked high just because you do not like them (and are misinformed about them). And it displeases me to see you make such statements against anybody who would DARE talk against your opinion, thinking that they're just some clueless Nal_rA fan. No, that is not the case.
Dude, you gotta read what I'm writing here.
I know who you are. I like your posts.
I express my opinions in a very blunt way because I like being a smartass and I find it makes people react to them, thus starting a fun debate. You, however, are taking it personally and are choosing not to read the words I write, simply because you don't like my tone. Tone does not equal literal meaning.
I am not disappointed in Kespa. It's great. In fact, compared to it's old self it's the best ranking SC has ever seen. I am simply pointing out facts from the ranking that show trends and events in pro SC that I have found very disppointing in the past couple months. Please read that sentence again. You ingored it the last time I wrote it.
We have one toss in the top 10 as far as I'm concerned. Ra could've just as easily dropped 6 spots instead of five. That's my point. It's sad for toss, and is a reflection of the current poor performance of every toss in the world right now, except for Anytime because he's made of magic.
You see what I was posting about now? I like kespa. I hate zerg players. Get it right.
you have always been my least favorite news writer because of your bad bias. it makes you seem misinformed and that is where whatisprotoss is arguing, despite how emotional he tends to get in his arguments. whether or not you do know the progaming scene, you're not really qualified to judge kespa rankings if you have sentiments like "omg i hate jju he is not as cool as reach how is he 3rd despite his great performance lately?!"
My news writing is gold. It's my jokes and emphasis on style of play as well as my insulting of bonehead plays that make the reports interesting.
The day I wipe my opinions from my writing to appease politically correct crybabies like you is the day I quit writing forever.
woah man, chill out, it's just my opinion
plus it's not that you have opinions, it's like idra said, the fact that you sound like you're totally and utterly misinformed about BW when you express them
On November 30 2006 21:29 WhatisProtoss wrote: Okay, you're mistaken about several things. Did I say I cared whether you think Ra sucks or not? No, I just mentioned Ra is placed right where I expected him (and where he deserved).
I wasn't emotional at all, I just hate it when people say things that they don't even fully understand. The KeSPA ranking system is NOT random. It is not names drawn out of a hat. There is a specific numbering system for all of it..... as much as you think it doesn't.
Stop thinking that the KeSPA is flawed. You are the one who is flawed. Stop posting more on this subject, please.
I will just repost your idiocy, if you are confused:
1. "Jju is not a top 3 player. He never was. He probably never will be."
2. "This is a blip. Jju and GF won't be there for long."
3. "As far as Ra is concerned, the only reason he's still in the top ten is because he was ranked so high in the last one. Limping his way through an MSL that he got gifted back into by a retiring player is not what I consider top 10 material. His OSL presense has been non-existent. His proleague results have been a joke. He would've dropped 5 places regardless of where he was in the list."
Bad Comeback: "So that resolves all that. I didn't disagree with where kespa put any of them."
You have been against the Kespa results this whole time.... yet you don't disagree with them? Then why even comment on them and how they displease you?
It displeases me to see you make such ripping comments about players who are ranked high just because you do not like them (and are misinformed about them). And it displeases me to see you make such statements against anybody who would DARE talk against your opinion, thinking that they're just some clueless Nal_rA fan. No, that is not the case.
Dude, you gotta read what I'm writing here.
I know who you are. I like your posts.
I express my opinions in a very blunt way because I like being a smartass and I find it makes people react to them, thus starting a fun debate. You, however, are taking it personally and are choosing not to read the words I write, simply because you don't like my tone. Tone does not equal literal meaning.
I am not disappointed in Kespa. It's great. In fact, compared to it's old self it's the best ranking SC has ever seen. I am simply pointing out facts from the ranking that show trends and events in pro SC that I have found very disppointing in the past couple months. Please read that sentence again. You ingored it the last time I wrote it.
We have one toss in the top 10 as far as I'm concerned. Ra could've just as easily dropped 6 spots instead of five. That's my point. It's sad for toss, and is a reflection of the current poor performance of every toss in the world right now, except for Anytime because he's made of magic.
You see what I was posting about now? I like kespa. I hate zerg players. Get it right.
you have always been my least favorite news writer because of your bad bias. it makes you seem misinformed and that is where whatisprotoss is arguing, despite how emotional he tends to get in his arguments. whether or not you do know the progaming scene, you're not really qualified to judge kespa rankings if you have sentiments like "omg i hate jju he is not as cool as reach how is he 3rd despite his great performance lately?!"
My news writing is gold. It's my jokes and emphasis on style of play as well as my insulting of bonehead plays that make the reports interesting.
The day I wipe my opinions from my writing to appease politically correct crybabies like you is the day I quit writing forever.
You know something is wrong when you praise yourself without any shred of modesty: "My news writing is gold."
But then, there are a lot of people besides him who are complaining about the Kespa rankings. People have their own opinions I guess....
I'm sorry but I don't give a shit about the new people. I haven't even heard of some of you who are criticizing ManaBlue's post and while that wouldn't matter because I've been absent for a while it does matter because I've been here nearly since this site's inception. ManaBlue expresses his OPINION so fucking deal with it. You can criticize it but don't criticize the BLUE in his name because it's a sign of respect because he's a great contributor. Whether or not you like his assessments is irrelevant and the fact that you desire monotonous moderators/news posters/game reporters is stupid. Even Klogon and others have their biases.
ManaBlue hates Nada
I love NaDa
I love ManaBlue
GG
Oh, and KeSPA is not perfect, not even nearly enough. EVEN I would not put NaDa back at one yet. EVEN I WOULD NOT PUT NADA BACK AT ONE YET.
expressing an 'opinion' doesnt make you invulnerable to criticism. theres nothing wrong with having an opinion, but the problem that the few of us have with manablue is that he doesn't seem to be able to see things objectively.
I wouldn't care but your criticism isn't just based off of his opinion you're also using personal attacks against his style of writing. It's acerbic and it is not constructive.
On December 02 2006 02:35 Gryffindor_us wrote: I wouldn't care but your criticism isn't just based off of his opinion you're also using personal attacks against his style of writing. It's acerbic and it is not constructive.
telling someone something theyre doing is bad is constructive as they can then stop doing it, and in doing so stop being bad.
Its really cool that you guys are able to interpret a third layer of meaning behind manablue's post. In the future though please, if you dont understand just ask what was meant otherwise fuckoff because you just ruined this thread.
On December 02 2006 02:06 Gryffindor_us wrote: ManaBlue hates Nada
I love NaDa
I love ManaBlue
GG
So nice to see you back Gryf. <3
I didn't check up on this thread for a while and I didn't realize you guys were still talking about this, so I'll just put a final thought here for you and you can take it as you may.
I'm extremely opinionated and I think it's funny when I throw my views out in a very "in your face way". When people play off of it with sarcasm and banter, it's fun. When they take it literally, it's not fun.
What we've seen in this thread is WhatIsProtoss, a fantastic poster who is really into the scene putting up with douchebag behavior and idiots left and right, who read what I wrote and didn't take it for what it was but rather what an uninformed punk would think literally. This was all due to the context of the thread.
After that we saw a bunch of guys who for whatever reason just plain don't like me, and they took the opportunity to jump on my ass. None of them really cared about what we were talking about. I guess Idra doesn't like me because I disagree with him every now and then about progamer stuff. I didn't realize he was getting sand in his vagina about it. Lighten up dude.
Basically, I can see that some people get me, like Gryf, nortydog, kissblade, fignewbie and artanis, and others don't. That's a shame, but there isn't anything we can do about that. All I can ask is that you don't shit on another thread, like what happened here, the next time I throw out a one liner. In turn, if any of you are PMSing one day and do it anyway, I won't respond to you.
so basically the people who defended you are the ones who "get you". haven't you considered the possibility that there are people who understand what you're writing but dont really like it?
KeSPA did some shady shit, such as increasing point bonus for the OSL without any official announcement, and "forgetting" to add a seeding bonus of 100 points for Savior. They also refuse to reveal the exact formula they use to obtain the ranking scores.
EPT
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