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[SRT] Grand Final Preview - Remembered Forever - Page 5

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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19208 Posts
September 06 2013 15:57 GMT
#81

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ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 06 2013 15:59 GMT
#82
On September 07 2013 00:57 BisuDagger wrote:

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mortal kombat stuff is that way
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PS needs more player pics
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19208 Posts
September 06 2013 16:00 GMT
#83
On September 07 2013 00:59 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 00:57 BisuDagger wrote:

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mortal kombat stuff is that way
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PS needs more player pics

That's Bane...
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#84
On September 07 2013 01:00 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 00:59 BigFan wrote:
On September 07 2013 00:57 BisuDagger wrote:

&#91;image loading&#93;

mortal kombat stuff is that way
<

PS needs more player pics

That's Bane...

oops lol. He has some resemblance to Scorpion thus my post
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19208 Posts
September 06 2013 16:15 GMT
#85
On September 07 2013 01:03 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 01:00 BisuDagger wrote:
On September 07 2013 00:59 BigFan wrote:
On September 07 2013 00:57 BisuDagger wrote:

&#91;image loading&#93;

mortal kombat stuff is that way
<

PS needs more player pics

That's Bane...

oops lol. He has some resemblance to Scorpion thus my post

It also has one of the players faces. Its a teaser for my banner. xD
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 06 2013 16:16 GMT
#86
On September 07 2013 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 01:03 BigFan wrote:
On September 07 2013 01:00 BisuDagger wrote:
On September 07 2013 00:59 BigFan wrote:
On September 07 2013 00:57 BisuDagger wrote:

&#91;image loading&#93;

mortal kombat stuff is that way
<

PS needs more player pics

That's Bane...

oops lol. He has some resemblance to Scorpion thus my post

It also has one of the players faces. Its a teaser for my banner. xD

dunno who that is, looks like sea? XD
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 16:35:56
September 06 2013 16:35 GMT
#87
At the risk of reliving past glory, here's some Sea hype I once wrote for the all time Group of Death. Kinda weird that it was already 3 years ago; I can still remember how awesome that group was.. I mean, Sea was by far the weakest player in that group. Sea!!! The friggin ultimate proleague warrior! Man I hope Bisu returns to BW.

Sea[shield]

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Introduction

(T)Sea is Perseverance.

In all stories of fantasy, danger, and death there are always characters who are heroic without being heroes. In Le Morte d’Arthur, you have Sir Gawain, who will always be the lesser knight when compared with Launcelot, Tristram, or Lamerok. Portrayed as a hot-headed character of sorts who does stupid or sometimes evil things, Gawain was unfairly shown up every single time in the stories by other knights. In the Lord of the Rings, you have Boromir, who was a great warrior and a noble Captain of Gondor, and yet the movies demonize him into some kind of power hungry villain. In A Song of Ice and Fire, you have Sandor Clegane, a man of violence hated by all of Westeros.

All of this shows what the world wants (T)Sea to do: fall over and die. (T)Sea is that unchanging rock in the middle of the sea (heh) that serves no glamorous purpose. Right now he is being brushed aside in the mad dash to hype a (T)Flash (Z)Jaedong (P)Bisu Broodwar triumvirate. And that’s where he wants to be. The underdog is always fun to root for. His perseverance is the story of our lives. At the end of the day, Sir Gawain remained fiercely loyal to King Arthur to the very end. Boromir redeemed his honor. Sandor Clegane saved Sansa and Arya Stark.

After all, a rock (iceberg) in the middle of the sea sank the Titanic.

Objectives

Survive Group D – Ro8

(T)Sea is well-known to be a Proleague workhorse. The Terran ace of MBC since the beginning of time (no, (T)Light was an ace sniper – there’s a clear difference), (T)Sea has consistently put up win after win after win to help his team. This culminated in a Proleague championship, a Winner’s League silver, and zero individual acclaim. Off the top of my head I’m morally sure that he is statistically the best player never to have reached an individual league final. He is the gatekeepers’ gatekeeper.

This is why fate should not be so cruel to deny him a taste of success. In the MSL Group Selection, he was overheard hoping out loud not to be put in a group of death with the TaekBangLeeSsang. In a dark twist of fate that would make Roald Dahl smirk, that was exactly what happened. Now, Sea is a strong player. He’s a 60% player who excels in all match-ups. However he’s up against the great wall of Korea here, facing the best three players of all three races. Lady luck is out of magic. (T)Sea has to transcend everything he has ever been to make it out of this group alive.

Analysis

(T)Sea has a bad chance to win a single game, but Sea has also been dealt with the best of hands possible in this group.

First, his initial matchup against (Z)Jaedong is on a Terran-favored map. La Mancha is 64% TvZ. Also, his previous victory in the Korea OSL was on Zergliner (although his other recent win on Polaris Rhapsody was only due to (Z)Jaedong’s stubbornness in sticking to Mutas after dissecting (T)Sea’s base with amazing micro). It’s a hard fight, but (T)Sea himself said that Terran is a little imba once you get tanks. Look for a midgame mech transition or a Marine-Tank push against (Z)Jaedong in this game. Late-game is not an option after being destroyed by (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey with Defiler play.

Second, he might not have to play (T)Flash at all. That is his only sure loss (0-8 is such a great head-to-head hahaha). Since (T)Flash is still favored over a red-hot (P)Bisu in his current status as Bonjwa, (T)Sea can lose to (Z)Jaedong, win against (P)Bisu in the latter’s worst matchup, and have a rematch against (Z)Jaedong on Dante’s SE where he has a 100% winrate (in one game). Cross your fingers (T)Sea-fans.

Third, God exists. Somehow, some way, (T)Sea has GOT to break through his mental block vs the S-Class. All his patience and hard work will pay off. He might not be the most talented, but he has done so much for the Starcraft scene (and TL.net) due to his innate friendliness and likeability that he deserves nothing less than to escape from his Starleague curse. (T)Sea is like (T)Flash without that special spark. It’s time to stop wishing for luck and to rely on skill, strategy and instinct. All players can lose on any given day.

Not So-Historical Representative

(T)Sea is Scipio Africanus. The Roman Hannibal was an incredible military commander, defeating Hannibal Barca decisively and saving Rome from its Scourge. However, Hannibal was already severely weakened by war attrition. Furthermore, Scipio was unable to capitalize on his military success because he did not seize the moment, and was defeated and surpassed later on by Julius Caesar. (T)Sea must rewrite the history books to achieve what all men want, but few ever do.

"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
September 06 2013 18:05 GMT
#88
Bo Song ez.
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
September 06 2013 20:07 GMT
#89
On September 07 2013 01:16 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:
On September 07 2013 01:03 BigFan wrote:
On September 07 2013 01:00 BisuDagger wrote:
On September 07 2013 00:59 BigFan wrote:
On September 07 2013 00:57 BisuDagger wrote:

[image loading]

mortal kombat stuff is that way
<

PS needs more player pics

That's Bane...

oops lol. He has some resemblance to Scorpion thus my post

It also has one of the players faces. Its a teaser for my banner. xD

dunno who that is, looks like sea? XD

I thought it is Sea in a goliath mask.
BW
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 06 2013 20:51 GMT
#90
GOGO SEA! TL loves you <3
Jaedong.
Mirabel_
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 21:34:20
September 06 2013 21:22 GMT
#91
Was rooting for Killer because race loyalty, but thanks to this thread I'm torn.

WHY ARE FINALS SO FAR OFF

Edit: Also in retrospect game 3 of Killer vs hero was weird as hell, and really showcased why the pros accuse ZvZ of being a low-tech tossup, while the game 2 of the same series was more of a counterexample to that.
get stronger play longer
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
September 06 2013 21:54 GMT
#92
Can't believe none commented about the hero semifinal appearance thing. I was so surprised when I looked it up. That sort of thing is unheard of.
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
September 06 2013 22:15 GMT
#93
wtf delayed? awkward .................. hahaha

On September 06 2013 17:33 Boonbag wrote:
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On September 06 2013 17:23 ArvickHero wrote:
biggest maniac is Terror ofc, can't take that away from him no matter how many titles you win


wasn't he banned or sued or something ?

banned for being too much of a maniac, but now back <3
Writerptrk
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 07 2013 00:13 GMT
#94
On September 07 2013 06:54 Epoxide wrote:
Can't believe none commented about the hero semifinal appearance thing. I was so surprised when I looked it up. That sort of thing is unheard of.

I thought hero was the next best zerg in sospa after killer. Given I wasn't sure how far he's gotten in SOSPA's competitions though lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
September 07 2013 01:25 GMT
#95
On September 07 2013 09:13 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 06:54 Epoxide wrote:
Can't believe none commented about the hero semifinal appearance thing. I was so surprised when I looked it up. That sort of thing is unheard of.

I thought hero was the next best zerg in sospa after killer. Given I wasn't sure how far he's gotten in SOSPA's competitions though lol

I think most people think of hero as the second best zerg, but not many people would put him in their top 4 players.

But here he is, showing he's getting something right, hopefully it's his zvt finally!
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 02:13:03
September 07 2013 02:11 GMT
#96
Finally was able to read this fully, I'm really hyped, good job guys !
This will be the last TvZ finals for a while, the last OSL champion is coming back to claim his throne !
ॐ
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
September 07 2013 09:05 GMT
#97
Grand Final moved to 9/8 spread the word

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=428346
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
September 07 2013 10:00 GMT
#98
now I can't watch.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
September 07 2013 10:36 GMT
#99
The heart's eternal vow
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