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Tekkerz
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom216 Posts
June 28 2012 17:05 GMT
#441
On June 29 2012 01:54 Yoduh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote:
He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...


Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


It was a post with a point, though poorly worded. It seems your rambling mind is too set on putting him down to score 'forum points' amongst fellow posters to understand what it was he was trying to say. Your post had considerably less substance than his. Think about that.
ander
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada403 Posts
June 28 2012 17:33 GMT
#442
On June 29 2012 02:05 Tekkerz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 01:54 Yoduh wrote:
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote:
He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...


Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


It was a post with a point, though poorly worded. It seems your rambling mind is too set on putting him down to score 'forum points' amongst fellow posters to understand what it was he was trying to say. Your post had considerably less substance than his. Think about that.




Just for context.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3048 Posts
June 28 2012 22:24 GMT
#443
On June 29 2012 01:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
its simple. people need blame one thing and ignore the real problem. is like italy. berlusconi was the real problem. sure.. yes. There are many reason to bw become less popular but the simple answer is savior the destroyer -_-

Are you still going at it? Cause last time when you tried to prove your point, you went as far as "ok u mad cuz savior give free win to bisu in the msl final fake win bro so sad :D" -> "bisu fan?"

Then what is the "real problem" here? The one that everyone, even including the Korean fans, are ignoring at this moment?
ppp
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 28 2012 22:51 GMT
#444
On June 29 2012 02:05 Tekkerz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 01:54 Yoduh wrote:
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote:
He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...


Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


It was a post with a point, though poorly worded. It seems your rambling mind is too set on putting him down to score 'forum points' amongst fellow posters to understand what it was he was trying to say. Your post had considerably less substance than his. Think about that.

Ignoring the youtube video, there is obviously a big problem with his argument. Making comparisons like this is good food for thought sometimes, but it is not a way to prove a position. One, because doctors and progamers are not the same (for instance, there is a much bigger PR concern for media), Two, because most people upon hearing that doctors who molest their kids sometimes get their licenses back would not thing 'oh well that's reasonable,' they would actually be a little shocked.

I'm not a person who thinks Savior is the son of Satan, but it's very clear that a league, especially a fragile league, cannot have their name knowingly accepting a cheater. Crucifying Savior was the only way to mitigate the damage his actions caused. However, as intelligent individuals more knowledgeable about the scene and less susceptible to uninformed opinion, we can say that there is more to savior and more to the collapse of the scene than the sensational headlines that mar public perception of all things. Not to say that a lot of people didn't take it as a personal insult and tragedy that they cheered for Savior for a year of slumping only to find out the person they'd given their hearts to was going to be the posterboy of the scandal. That messes with internal consistency and a lot of people resort to just going to complete opposite direction and hating him. But again, I find it a pathetic perspective. Dehumanizing and scapegoating a person because it is the simplest way to escape your own feelings.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
June 28 2012 23:19 GMT
#445
On June 29 2012 07:51 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 02:05 Tekkerz wrote:
On June 29 2012 01:54 Yoduh wrote:
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote:
He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...


Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


It was a post with a point, though poorly worded. It seems your rambling mind is too set on putting him down to score 'forum points' amongst fellow posters to understand what it was he was trying to say. Your post had considerably less substance than his. Think about that.

Ignoring the youtube video, there is obviously a big problem with his argument. Making comparisons like this is good food for thought sometimes, but it is not a way to prove a position. One, because doctors and progamers are not the same (for instance, there is a much bigger PR concern for media), Two, because most people upon hearing that doctors who molest their kids sometimes get their licenses back would not thing 'oh well that's reasonable,' they would actually be a little shocked.

I'm not a person who thinks Savior is the son of Satan, but it's very clear that a league, especially a fragile league, cannot have their name knowingly accepting a cheater. Crucifying Savior was the only way to mitigate the damage his actions caused. However, as intelligent individuals more knowledgeable about the scene and less susceptible to uninformed opinion, we can say that there is more to savior and more to the collapse of the scene than the sensational headlines that mar public perception of all things. Not to say that a lot of people didn't take it as a personal insult and tragedy that they cheered for Savior for a year of slumping only to find out the person they'd given their hearts to was going to be the posterboy of the scandal. That messes with internal consistency and a lot of people resort to just going to complete opposite direction and hating him. But again, I find it a pathetic perspective. Dehumanizing and scapegoating a person because it is the simplest way to escape your own feelings.

Nicely put man, I couldn't have said it better myself.

and @Slakoo, that's a good point. Even convicted killers go to jail to rehabilitate and they try to make them fit in the society when they are done serving their sentence.
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3048 Posts
June 29 2012 01:32 GMT
#446
On June 29 2012 08:19 .vid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 07:51 Chef wrote:
On June 29 2012 02:05 Tekkerz wrote:
On June 29 2012 01:54 Yoduh wrote:
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote:
He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...


Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


It was a post with a point, though poorly worded. It seems your rambling mind is too set on putting him down to score 'forum points' amongst fellow posters to understand what it was he was trying to say. Your post had considerably less substance than his. Think about that.

Ignoring the youtube video, there is obviously a big problem with his argument. Making comparisons like this is good food for thought sometimes, but it is not a way to prove a position. One, because doctors and progamers are not the same (for instance, there is a much bigger PR concern for media), Two, because most people upon hearing that doctors who molest their kids sometimes get their licenses back would not thing 'oh well that's reasonable,' they would actually be a little shocked.

I'm not a person who thinks Savior is the son of Satan, but it's very clear that a league, especially a fragile league, cannot have their name knowingly accepting a cheater. Crucifying Savior was the only way to mitigate the damage his actions caused. However, as intelligent individuals more knowledgeable about the scene and less susceptible to uninformed opinion, we can say that there is more to savior and more to the collapse of the scene than the sensational headlines that mar public perception of all things. Not to say that a lot of people didn't take it as a personal insult and tragedy that they cheered for Savior for a year of slumping only to find out the person they'd given their hearts to was going to be the posterboy of the scandal. That messes with internal consistency and a lot of people resort to just going to complete opposite direction and hating him. But again, I find it a pathetic perspective. Dehumanizing and scapegoating a person because it is the simplest way to escape your own feelings.

Nicely put man, I couldn't have said it better myself.

and @Slakoo, that's a good point. Even convicted killers go to jail to rehabilitate and they try to make them fit in the society when they are done serving their sentence.

Except every single one of them got death sentence from KeSPA.
ppp
BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
June 29 2012 02:52 GMT
#447
Reach vs July should have been last. Save the best for last.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 04:18:37
June 29 2012 04:07 GMT
#448
The perspective people often ignore is what happened to sponsorship following the match fixing scandal. The fans' perspectives DONT EVEN MATTER HERE because they are not what pulled the money from the game and brought about the actual collapse.

It is an absolute fact that following the match fixing scandal, at least one team folded immediately and sponsorship for leagues and teams dried up within a season. That is indisputable. Savior is not a scapegoat; he is a symbol, yes, but also more directly responsible than any other individual for causing sponsors to pull all support from the league.

It doesn't really impact the game when Bart Miadich gets named in the Mitchell report for taking HGH. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens? Huge deal, and not just because they are being made scapegoats: they had a huge hand in shaping the game and the industry and thus have a ton of money and importance attached to their actions.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
July 02 2012 14:23 GMT
#449
On June 29 2012 13:07 tedster wrote:
The perspective people often ignore is what happened to sponsorship following the match fixing scandal. The fans' perspectives DONT EVEN MATTER HERE because they are not what pulled the money from the game and brought about the actual collapse.

It is an absolute fact that following the match fixing scandal, at least one team folded immediately and sponsorship for leagues and teams dried up within a season. That is indisputable. Savior is not a scapegoat; he is a symbol, yes, but also more directly responsible than any other individual for causing sponsors to pull all support from the league.

It doesn't really impact the game when Bart Miadich gets named in the Mitchell report for taking HGH. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens? Huge deal, and not just because they are being made scapegoats: they had a huge hand in shaping the game and the industry and thus have a ton of money and importance attached to their actions.


Huh ? I don't care about drama any way I am hype right now can't wait to watch sashin vs genius terran tomorrow . GoGOGO SAshin !!!!!!!!!!!




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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
July 02 2012 14:38 GMT
#450
On June 29 2012 11:52 BearStorm wrote:
Reach vs July should have been last. Save the best for last.

there will be a match before the finals, supposedly. I wonder whom that will involve?
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rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
July 03 2012 03:30 GMT
#451
I thought it was confirmed that it's gonna be Boxer vs Yellow.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 18:17:08
July 03 2012 18:16 GMT
#452
no it was only speculation.
You can call it a consensus of speculations
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10589 Posts
July 03 2012 18:21 GMT
#453
On July 03 2012 12:30 rebdomine wrote:
I thought it was confirmed that it's gonna be Boxer vs Yellow.

it better be or else ill be really mad Yellow will go storm zerg style and go slow overlord drop :D
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doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
July 03 2012 18:21 GMT
#454
On July 04 2012 03:16 JieXian wrote:
no it was only speculation.
You can call it a consensus of speculations

It was unofficially confirmed.
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