Jaedong, Flash, Stork, Baby, Calm, Sea, Shine, Last - those are some big names. What do they have in common? They're all fighting for their lives this week. The Ongamenet Dual Tournament has been resurrected for the 2012 OSL and the very best in progaming are going to be fighting for the chance to make it into the Ro16 of what may very well be the last Broodwar OSL. For Jaedong and Flash, it is a chance at four OSL wins. For Stork, it will be an opportunity to net his second gold and get out of silverland for good. For the likes of Sea, Baby and Calm, it is a chance to be immortalised up there among the greatest players to ever play this game.
The OSL is like no other. It puts progamers to the test, stretching them out in ruthless Bo5 series. It has produced some of Starcraft's fiercest rivlaries and indeed, some of its sweetest victores and most bitter defeats. Without a doubt, it is ESPORT's most unforgiving battlefield and this week as the ODT takes off we will get to taste that all too familiar sense of urgency. There are no second places here, no consolation prizes.
Progaming in Korea is in a period of change, and the future, if anything, is uncertain. And yet, there is one certainty we can cling to for now. At the end of these few months we will have a new OSL champion. You may choose to root for a fan favourite, you may choose to follow an underdog, but whatever you do and whoever you follow, we hope that you do it with everything you have.
Swarm Season Zergs everywhere! For the third OSL in a row, there are more Zerg players qualified than either of the other two races. In fact, in Bacchus '10 there were 10 ZvZ played, and only one of each of PvP and TvT. In Jin Air OSL, 15 ZvZ were played, compared to only one TvT and zero PvP. The trend continues this season as there are as many Zergs qualified than Protoss and Terran combined.
Even though more Zergs have been qualifying for OSL recently, there hasn't been a Zerg champion since EffOrt defeated God over two years ago. Maybe it's because there are so many ZvZ that all the Zergs are knocking each other out. Thankfully, this ODT has Zergs spread out so each group has at least two Zergs. That means we might see 12 Zergs make it to the round of 16!
As hilarious horrible as that would be, the racial distribution should balance out by the round of 8. There might not be as many Terrans or Protoss, but I don't see players like RorO, Alone, hyvaa, or Hyuk getting farther than players like BaBy, Flash, JangBi, or Stork.
Endangered Species 2011-2012 has been hard times for Protoss players, with only two of them making it to the round of 16 in Jin Air. This season looks equally grim with only five Protoss in the Dual Tournament. But it's too early to lose hope! Jangbi showed us last season that you can never count the warriors of Aiur out, no matter how few of them there may be. If Jangbi or Stork can manage to avoid strong ZvP players, I can see either of them taking this OSL. It's way to early to make any significant predictions, but I definitely wouldn't count the Protoss out just yet!
Upsets! The number one reason for the lack of Protoss in the ODT is probably because most upsets were against them. Bisu fans worldwide cried when he fell to RorO's hydra bust in game 3 just like he did against Shine in EVER 2009... and in Bacchus 2010... and in SWL 2010. Seriously, why doesn't Bisu just play more safely against players that he knows he can beat? He was ahead 8-1 head-to-head against RorO. If he had just played more safely and built another cannon or two, maybe he would finally have been able to break his OSL curse.
Likewise, Stats fell to Rush, BeSt lost to Action, Movie to Juni, and Brave to herO[jOin]. Other upsets were Leta losing to Alone, and Crazy-Hydra and EffOrt losing to mini. Although I wish all these great players had made it to the OSL, I'm glad there are new players making a name for themselves. Without new players rising and taking the older generation's place, the scene would stagnate. I'm looking forward to seeing if any of these rookies will be able to go deep into the tournament!
Starleague groups Flash has been in have historically been very easy to predict. Despite seeing in the post-season that God can indeed bleed, I highly doubt Flash will fail to 2-0 his group given the opponents and maps. Neither Alone (Princess) nor Grape has the aura or track record to make me believe he can take down Flash, and I haven't seen any recent indication from Calm demonstrating that his ZvT is up to par with Flash's proven TvZ.
As with all the other Flash-based Starleague groups over the years, the main question boils down to "who besides Flash advances?" In this case, Calm is the favorite to make it out of ODT group A. Coupling his good ZvP with Grape's poor PvZ, I envisage Calm winning his first match before falling to Flash in the winners'. Afterwards though, will he play Grape again, or will he have a coin flip showdown with Princess? In either scenario, I give Calm the advantage--though it wouldn't shock me to see the Brain Zerg leaving this OSL at the hands of one of the rookies.
Any group with Flash contains an element of certainty. Contrast that to any group with Hyuk...
Given that I haven't seen Hyuk play since January, I have no clue what sort of form he's wielding. On the other hand, Mini is one of those rookies that just makes me say "meh". I don't see either of the two beating the winner of BaBy versus Action; likewise, I doubt the loser of Hyuk vs mini will prevail in the losers' match. All in all, either BaBy or Action will go 2-0, and the other will go 2-1. I'd put money on Action walking away with the 2-0.
Things aren't as simple as they seem though. Despite Action demonstrating some semblance of solidarity in his play recently, I still question his ability to handle ZvZ and early game TvZ. BaBy is and always will be streaky, mini hasn't played enough for me to get a grasp of his form, and Hyuk is Hyuk. If I'm completely wrong for this set of predictions, don't indemnify me.
In terms of players, this group is fairly even and should be fun to watch. Stork's been having a good season, and Killer and Bogus have proven that they have extraordinary highs they can pull out if needed. herO[jOin] is the odd man out, and when pitted against the other three, I give him a very minimal chance of making it out. Killer versus Bogus should be a fun match to watch, and I'd give a slight advantage to Bogus based on SPL performances. For me, Bogus and Stork winning their first matches would be ideal, since I'd really enjoy to see a Stork versus Bogus winners' match. Bogus' TvP has produced some of my favorite games of the SPL 2011-2012 season, and Stork's PvT needs no introduction. If it comes down to this, I think Stork will be victorious (though the game should preferably be long and drawn-out), thus advancing 2-0. In the losers', it's again a coin flip: I've learned not to try to call ZvZ games. Regardless, I think Bogus will take the 2-1 slot for advancement. I just haven't seen enough from Killer this season to inspire confidence. Suck it Harem.
This group is so hard to pick favorites from, and equally as hard to predict. I don't like Modesty but for some reason he always manages to make it through to the later rounds of OSL tournaments. Horang2 has been looking great recently, ZerO is cute, and you can't cheer against the Hollywood Fishyking. I'd prefer the three of Horang2, HiyA, and ZerO to all advance, but alas, 'tis not possible.
Insofar as Horang2 versus Modesty goes, Horang2 has been doing well while Modesty has not; I expect the Tiger to triumph. The other match is much, much harder to call. ZerO's ZvT this season has been rife with poor decision-making and execution, but HiyA hasn't played a competitive match in over half a year. Arbitrarily, I'm going to say HiyA wins, especially since I hope he does well enough in this OSL in order to have teams look at him. For the winners' match, I'd give Horang2 the edge over both HiyA and ZerO (can't believe I'm saying this) due to recent performance. For the second slot, it's a toss-up... but again, I'd prefer HiyA advance. 'Tis better for him to make a 2-0 sweep, but realistically that isn't very probabilistic.
Two years ago, we'd all say something like "Jaedong EZ". I still want to think that Jaedong is the master of ZvZ (and most recently he's starting to inspire confidence again in the match-up), but let's not forget it was hyvaa who knocked Jaedong out of the last OSL.
Jaedong will crush Rush. If this does not occur, I'll eat a sockjellybean (jellybeans kick ass). RorO will probably lose to hyvaa because he's lost all his ZvZ games this season. In the next set of games, I believe Jaedong will have his revenge on hyvaa and RorO will beat Rush. Again, hyvaa will triumph over RorO in the final set.
This group is also hard to call due to match-up differentials. For example, if Last goes up against Sea I'd give him a slight advantage due to recent performances. Yet against either Soulkey or Shine, Last is majorly disadvantaged. Most likely, Neo.G_Soulkey will 2-0 this group; he's been having a very good season and has given us some great games. As for the second slot, I really want to say Sea will take it, but I can't do that in good faith. It's truly a toss-up for the second slot: Shine hasn't played enough, Last skill-wise is very lopsided, and Sea, while historically a solid player, has been shoddy in the past season. random.org says Shine will advance, most likely by utilizing zerglings.
This writeup was brought to you by the Team Liquid OSL Team 2012 - riptide, l10f, Silversky, 2Pacalypse- and SirJolt, along with guest writer flamewheel.
On April 13 2012 17:44 pred470r wrote: Can't wait for this. Also when you click the link for this thread from the picture window it takes you to mlg day 3 live update thread.
my bad, I cannibalized that box and forgot to change the link
Um. Thanks for the writeup - short and sweet. One question on predictions: Action going 2-0 when his first game is against BaBy? That seems... over-optimistic.
This can't be the last season... I mean look how many zergs are in there. It would've been more epic and spellbinding if there was an even distribution of the races :|
Um. Thanks for the writeup - short and sweet. One question on predictions: Action going 2-0 when his first game is against BaBy? That seems... over-optimistic.
Um. Thanks for the writeup - short and sweet. One question on predictions: Action going 2-0 when his first game is against BaBy? That seems... over-optimistic.
Why not? Action only needs to defend 'til hive .
As much as I'd like it to be that way, I think Action advancing 2-0 from his group is a bit generous, despite his current form. At most I'd give him a 2-1 advancement with a loss to Baby. You never know though . That aside, I really hope Hiya advances from his group.
Man i can't wait for this, it's been to long team leagues are fun and all but nothing beats an OSL ! Come one JD one more time for old times sake because to me there never was and never will be a zerg on your level of play.
Hyuk and Mini will advance in group 2 - Baby just dont have solid play and both Hyuk and Mini got what it need to beat this non stable player. Action Zvz or Zvp is also not solid so i expected him and baby to be eliminated. In Group D Zero wont fail - He will show 100% Safe and solid play. He will advance beating Hiya and Modesty or Horang. Hiya wont advance - no way he will beat Zero. Horang not likely, maybe some bunker rush vs Modesty, but i believe modesty got some really good ZvT so question here is Modesty or Horang2 - I will put money on Modesty.
On April 13 2012 17:26 human_ko wrote: is this the season they implement sc2 as well or the next one?
You are confusing Proleague and OSL. This is an individual league as you can see in the preview.
ok, sorry ^_^ but when does proleague start again?
This poster right here is a slice of the silliness that will become of next season's and the LR's to come along with it.
Oh the confusion and chaos it will bring.
Gonna be madness and might just be the beginning of the end for both game titles in Korea. LOL
I'm gonna cherish this OSL as if it's going to be the last Brood War SL.
Let's go, PRINCESS! Cheese him!!
I don't see what's wrong with asking when the next edition of the proleague would start or how that classifies as "silliness". Shame on him for not following the scene very much?
On April 13 2012 22:50 shaftofpleasure wrote: I found it funny that Bisu wasn't included in the banner XD XD XD
On April 13 2012 17:29 human_ko wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:27 endy wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:26 human_ko wrote: is this the season they implement sc2 as well or the next one?
You are confusing Proleague and OSL. This is an individual league as you can see in the preview.
ok, sorry ^_^ but when does proleague start again?
This poster right here is a slice of the silliness that will become of next season's and the LR's to come along with it.
Oh the confusion and chaos it will bring.
Gonna be madness and might just be the beginning of the end for both game titles in Korea. LOL
I'm gonna cherish this OSL as if it's going to be the last Brood War SL.
Let's go, PRINCESS! Cheese him!!
I don't see what's wrong with asking when the next edition of the proleague would start or how that classifies as "silliness". Shame on him for not following the scene very much?
Imagine him on a featured article like this. Now, take him and at least a couple of thousand like him following the first-ever BW+SC2 PL. Now, place them in an LR thread with the.
It's gonna be silly and chaotic as BW fans try to reason with them in futile and those who actually follow the LR rage at the spam.
On April 13 2012 23:27 j1nzo wrote: i hope someone wins for the fourth time (go flash/jaedong). that would lead to one player being the best bw pro of all time...
I just hope that BW continues to develop so we will see a new generation of TBLS, as much as people wanted to label Boxer / iloveoov / nada as the best bw pro of all time during their dominance the pro scene should develop and new generation of players should eventually take over for bw to be competitive. Wouldn't mind if someone like alone or mini went to win it all. Still cheering for flash though.
The biggest possible story is Flash or Jaedong being the only player to win a fourth OSL gold, so hopefully they advance. Flash winning a fourth obviously cements him as GOAT. Jaedong winning a fourth ties Flash again with golds (I believe) and would show he hasn't been totally eclipsed.
On April 13 2012 23:46 Deletrious wrote: The biggest possible story is Flash or Jaedong being the only player to win a fourth OSL gold, so hopefully they advance. Flash winning a fourth obviously cements him as GOAT. Jaedong winning a fourth ties Flash again with golds (I believe) and would show he hasn't been totally eclipsed.
Eclipsed? Ha! Good one! Jaedong best of all time; Flash play easy terran.
I hesitate to reveal my perspective, but I'm just glad I can trash talk BW again. It's been too long t.t
On April 13 2012 23:46 Apolo wrote: Where can i watch this (if possible) ? (SC2 player that would like to see some BW for the first time)
When it starts(tomorrow) Korean re-streams will appear on the right sidebar. Generally there are 3-6 streamers. I guess Sayle will be doing English commentary after (or maybe live?).
On April 13 2012 23:46 Apolo wrote: Where can i watch this (if possible) ? (SC2 player that would like to see some BW for the first time)
When it starts(tomorrow) Korean re-streams will appear on the right sidebar. Generally there are 3-6 streamers. I guess Sayle will be doing English commentary after (or maybe live?).
On April 13 2012 23:46 Apolo wrote: Where can i watch this (if possible) ? (SC2 player that would like to see some BW for the first time)
When it starts(tomorrow) Korean re-streams will appear on the right sidebar. Generally there are 3-6 streamers. I guess Sayle will be doing English commentary after (or maybe live?).
Also, will VODs be uploaded to EsportsTV like usual?
I think it should say "Action demonstrating some semblance of solidity" instead of "solidarity", which doesn't make sense unless you're referring to him having team spirit (which doesn't have anything to do with individual leagues).
On April 14 2012 01:04 reincremate wrote: I think it should say "Action demonstrating some semblance of solidity" instead of "solidarity", which doesn't make sense unless you're referring to him having team spirit (which doesn't have anything to do with individual leagues).
Also "indemnify", "probabilistic". Or is this some subtle trolling?
On April 13 2012 23:46 Apolo wrote: Where can i watch this (if possible) ? (SC2 player that would like to see some BW for the first time)
When it starts(tomorrow) Korean re-streams will appear on the right sidebar. Generally there are 3-6 streamers. I guess Sayle will be doing English commentary after (or maybe live?).
Also, will VODs be uploaded to EsportsTV like usual?
Hmm with OSL it can be different, Nevake or Esports.
On April 13 2012 22:50 shaftofpleasure wrote: I found it funny that Bisu wasn't included in the banner XD XD XD
On April 13 2012 17:29 human_ko wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:27 endy wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:26 human_ko wrote: is this the season they implement sc2 as well or the next one?
You are confusing Proleague and OSL. This is an individual league as you can see in the preview.
ok, sorry ^_^ but when does proleague start again?
This poster right here is a slice of the silliness that will become of next season's and the LR's to come along with it.
Oh the confusion and chaos it will bring.
Gonna be madness and might just be the beginning of the end for both game titles in Korea. LOL
I'm gonna cherish this OSL as if it's going to be the last Brood War SL.
Let's go, PRINCESS! Cheese him!!
I don't see what's wrong with asking when the next edition of the proleague would start or how that classifies as "silliness". Shame on him for not following the scene very much?
Imagine him on a featured article like this. Now, take him and at least a couple of thousand like him following the first-ever BW+SC2 PL. Now, place them in an LR thread with the.
It's gonna be silly and chaotic as BW fans try to reason with them in futile and those who actually follow the LR rage at the spam.
I read the whole conversation and didn't find anything "silly" at all. He was polite and he asked for an information in the most direct way. By attacking people like him it's you who will provoke "confusion" and "chaos" in the future lol. Also I'm a hardcore BW fans (read my post history) so don't say I'm defending him because I'm "SC2" guy lol.
On April 13 2012 22:50 shaftofpleasure wrote: I found it funny that Bisu wasn't included in the banner XD XD XD
On April 13 2012 17:29 human_ko wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:27 endy wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:26 human_ko wrote: is this the season they implement sc2 as well or the next one?
You are confusing Proleague and OSL. This is an individual league as you can see in the preview.
ok, sorry ^_^ but when does proleague start again?
This poster right here is a slice of the silliness that will become of next season's and the LR's to come along with it.
Oh the confusion and chaos it will bring.
Gonna be madness and might just be the beginning of the end for both game titles in Korea. LOL
I'm gonna cherish this OSL as if it's going to be the last Brood War SL.
Let's go, PRINCESS! Cheese him!!
I don't see what's wrong with asking when the next edition of the proleague would start or how that classifies as "silliness". Shame on him for not following the scene very much?
Imagine him on a featured article like this. Now, take him and at least a couple of thousand like him following the first-ever BW+SC2 PL. Now, place them in an LR thread with the.
It's gonna be silly and chaotic as BW fans try to reason with them in futile and those who actually follow the LR rage at the spam.
I still don't see the connection between a random guy asking a question politely about the proleague and a bunch of angsty teens raging and spamming an LR thread.
On April 13 2012 22:50 shaftofpleasure wrote: I found it funny that Bisu wasn't included in the banner XD XD XD
On April 13 2012 17:29 human_ko wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:27 endy wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:26 human_ko wrote: is this the season they implement sc2 as well or the next one?
You are confusing Proleague and OSL. This is an individual league as you can see in the preview.
ok, sorry ^_^ but when does proleague start again?
This poster right here is a slice of the silliness that will become of next season's and the LR's to come along with it.
Oh the confusion and chaos it will bring.
Gonna be madness and might just be the beginning of the end for both game titles in Korea. LOL
I'm gonna cherish this OSL as if it's going to be the last Brood War SL.
Let's go, PRINCESS! Cheese him!!
I don't see what's wrong with asking when the next edition of the proleague would start or how that classifies as "silliness". Shame on him for not following the scene very much?
Imagine him on a featured article like this. Now, take him and at least a couple of thousand like him following the first-ever BW+SC2 PL. Now, place them in an LR thread with the.
It's gonna be silly and chaotic as BW fans try to reason with them in futile and those who actually follow the LR rage at the spam.
I still don't see the connection between a random guy asking a question politely about the proleague and a bunch of angsty teens raging and spamming an LR thread.
But the random guy is "ignorant" (do take it in the most neutral meaning possible).
And imagine 2000 ignorant guys on what used to be nice BW LR threads where most people are reasonably informed, and thus can give informed opinion. Is what he meant.
Not to mention, intentionally or not, you rubbed him the wrong way when you kept asking about the BW + SC2 league, it's no wonder he is displeased.
I'm Counting minutes. XD C'mooon we Cant wait anymoreee. Epic games here we areee.... 13 hours, 53 minutes left. Im going to sleep in an hour and when i wake up there would be like 1 hour left it will soo exciding lol
On April 13 2012 22:50 shaftofpleasure wrote: I found it funny that Bisu wasn't included in the banner XD XD XD
On April 13 2012 17:29 human_ko wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:27 endy wrote:
On April 13 2012 17:26 human_ko wrote: is this the season they implement sc2 as well or the next one?
You are confusing Proleague and OSL. This is an individual league as you can see in the preview.
ok, sorry ^_^ but when does proleague start again?
This poster right here is a slice of the silliness that will become of next season's and the LR's to come along with it.
Oh the confusion and chaos it will bring.
Gonna be madness and might just be the beginning of the end for both game titles in Korea. LOL
I'm gonna cherish this OSL as if it's going to be the last Brood War SL.
Let's go, PRINCESS! Cheese him!!
I don't see what's wrong with asking when the next edition of the proleague would start or how that classifies as "silliness". Shame on him for not following the scene very much?
Imagine him on a featured article like this. Now, take him and at least a couple of thousand like him following the first-ever BW+SC2 PL. Now, place them in an LR thread with the.
It's gonna be silly and chaotic as BW fans try to reason with them in futile and those who actually follow the LR rage at the spam.
I still don't see the connection between a random guy asking a question politely about the proleague and a bunch of angsty teens raging and spamming an LR thread.
That, and it's funny because I have a very clear memory of having a LOT of problems understanding what happened in a game between the mindless spam, fanboyism and bonjwa-calling, about 3-4 years ago, in BW threads. Memory sure is short. Now it's better since there are only the few remaining faithful fans. But it was not always the case.
On April 14 2012 07:40 Selth wrote: My life for HiyA. I really hope he advances at least or in the greatest upset in all of BW, he wins the OSL against a big name (Flash/Stork, etc.)
HiyA wins the OSL, gets re-drafted by some team (not SKT!), interest in BW grows again, everyone cheers and lives happily ever after.
On April 14 2012 07:40 Selth wrote: My life for HiyA. I really hope he advances at least or in the greatest upset in all of BW, he wins the OSL against a big name (Flash/Stork, etc.)
HiyA wins the OSL, gets re-drafted by some team (not SKT!), interest in BW grows again, everyone cheers and lives happily ever after.
Or KT. I was kind of disappointed because JB pulled off the impossible last season and the sponsors are still scarce nowadays. Additionally, the PL finals epitomized the epicness that is BW and the funding remained immutable.
On April 14 2012 07:40 Selth wrote: My life for HiyA. I really hope he advances at least or in the greatest upset in all of BW, he wins the OSL against a big name (Flash/Stork, etc.)
HiyA wins the OSL, gets re-drafted by some team (not SKT!), interest in BW grows again, everyone cheers and lives happily ever after.
Or KT. I was kind of disappointed because JB pulled off the impossible last season and the sponsors are still scarce nowadays. Additionally, the PL finals epitomized the epicness that is BW and the funding remained immutable.
Hiya not being on the same team as Jaedong and Killer would be disappointing.
On April 14 2012 09:48 Kjay wrote: Do want another J v F games Preferably Jaedong coming out on top and hopefully 4th OSL title..
yea, those games got me most excited. i hope Jaedong wins this. though im a bit worried of the 3 Zs in his group. in one of the OSL he lost to some 0-3ed Z right ? that was heart-wrenching.
On April 14 2012 19:39 Jarven wrote: As a sc2 fan but a total noob on broodwar, is their any chance to watch this? English comenatry would be good aswell.
He said he was inspired to cast the OSL after the proleague finals, but said it sounded like it was still up in the air. I really hope he does cast them though- at the very least the later stages. :D
On April 15 2012 02:00 FroZen_Angels wrote: It says Action and Baby will advance...Aren't they facing each other? I'm a tad confused and embarrassed...can someone help me out to understand this?
Two people advance from each group, you need to win two games to advance.
There's five matches in total. The first two you saw listed, followed by the winners' set (where the first two winners play each other, the winner of this set moves on 2-0). Then there's the losers' set (the losers from the first two matches play each other, the loser of this match is eliminated from the tournament 0-2). Then the final set where the loser from the winners' set faces off with the winner from the losers' set. I hope that made sense
example Set 1 Player 1 vs Player 2 <--- Player 1 moves to winners' set and player 2 moves to losers' set Set 2 Player 3 vs player 4 Winners' Set Player 1 vs player 4 <--- Player 1 advances 2-0 Losers' Set Player 2 vs player 3 <--- Player 2 is eliminated because he lost 2 games Final Set Player 4 vs player 3 <---Player 3 advances after going 2-1
On April 15 2012 05:07 5FDP wrote: i hop HiyA does well ! But if he gets picked up by a pro team again means he can't stream anymore or? Anyway maybe Team 8 needs one more Terran
But woohooo OSL anyway and as less zvz as possible i guess :D
Has he been streaming lately? Is there a thread that I can check to see when this happens?
On April 15 2012 05:07 5FDP wrote: i hop HiyA does well ! But if he gets picked up by a pro team again means he can't stream anymore or? Anyway maybe Team 8 needs one more Terran
But woohooo OSL anyway and as less zvz as possible i guess :D
Has he been streaming lately? Is there a thread that I can check to see when this happens?
This. If anyone knows when he is streaming or maybe a link, thats good