So this player dubbed 'God' is on a winning streak and no player has come near beating him in a game called StarCraft: Brood War this Proleague season.
For bragging rights, let's have a thread guessing/predicting who or what race will be able to stop his rampage and end his never stopping series of wins.
I'll throw in my two cents of course. I personally think a Protoss player will beat Flash either with pressing a big advantage early game or really clever cheese or all-in. I'm going to take a stab in dark and say Jangbi will be that man.
I think he will break the record of 15 straight wins in televised matches before he is defeated and probably continue his winning run at least till play-offs.
So let's have your theories and opinions. All posts welcome.
Edit (i): Added polls by Release and Xtal below. I hope just quoting them works without problems.
About 1 week ago I made a bet with friend, that Soulkey is gonna be the first who will beat Flash. Didn't really expect the match to happen that soon! Anyway, I blamed Electric Circuit for Soulkey's loss.. perhaps I just got mad and Flash won NOT due to map imbalance. :\
he will break the record and be undefeated but not sure about playoffs. He said himself in last interview that Terran is hardest to beat for him. So, if he meets a terran specialist, they may have the best chance.
He is super confident in vZ and vP, i don't see him losing any time soon, not even Stork in bonjwa mode (Stork's defense last time they met was more than amazing, yet Flash just barged through after... so anti climatic)
So I want to be the first one to say, that somebody will cheese him. It will be an evil evil cheese and Flash's God senses will fail him. The player who will do this is going to bee....... Horang2!
I really want Jaedong to bring some fire into their rivalry, but I don't think it's going to happen sadly. I think it's going to be someone relatively low profile, who either finally stuffs the cheese Flash brings or will snipe him with a very specific build.
More seriously there's no way it's gonna be JD or Bisu, not this season. I'm thinking fanta, leta, or last. I don't see anyone taking him out right now.
For Proleague finals, KESPA will decide that all other teams will be able to send a single player, and all those players will play Flash at once. Then he will still win, after which nobody will ever play another game of professional BW.
If 이제동 (gonna follow the trend here) brings himself together he can definitely do it. I found flash much scarier year and a half ago than now, dunno why.
I could see Leta taking him down with a lucky break with Wraiths. Flash said he is least comfortable in TvT and Leta said 2port wraith feels really safe to him. But flash will see it coming and smash him before his strat takes off.
On February 28 2012 06:12 Art.FeeL wrote: If 이제동 (gonna follow the trend here) brings himself together he can definitely do it. I found flash much scarier year and a half ago than now, dunno why.
That's because the games he is been winning atm has been razor sharp.
Upmagic. Oh, wait... But no, i think Leta has the biggest chance, partly because he is cheating cheesy brat. Fantasy is good, but he just cant beat Flash, their styles kinda negate each other and only raw skill counts in their matches, so flash always wins .
At the moment TvT seems to be most likely. Surely eventually someone is going to come out of the opening with a significant lead and not screw up. Likely candidates would appear to be Fantasy, Last, Leta and maybe BaBy. I don't see anyone with a chance in PvT at the moment. Maybe Stork if he spends a load of time preparing and hits a good day. In ZvT, Soulkey might be able win a game eventually, if he gets a few more tries. But who knows how many he will need?
Well... the fact that a Terran can beat Flash is somewhat... contradictory (even if I said Fanat, Leta or Last does have some shances) cause, Flash best matchup is TVT.
On February 28 2012 06:38 _Quasar_ wrote: hm... Jaedong should be pretty able to do that, but no guarantee that we will even see this match with current SPL format.
I think Flash can play all 3 rounds undefeated, but he might lose to someone in playoffs (though there will be NO jaedong )
Jaedong is most definitely not in shape to beat a rampaging God-mode Flash.
He will obviously lose sooner or later (there's a slight luck element in BW afterall ), but at the moment it seems like he could go on winning forever with the way he's playing. I think it'll be some random player who beats him in the end though, like Roro or Movie or someone like that.
Here's my input, I don't really mind who will beat Flash, I just hope that people won't make a huge deal about it. I mean, losing games is perfectly normal in competitive BW, and no one can maintain such a crazy winrate forever. Someone will beat him sooner or later, it's bound to happen, no big deal really.
I think it will be either Best or Zero, but I think Flash will reach a 20+ (26 maybe) game win-streak first. Fantasy will be the one breaking his TvT streak. He's the only terran who I think have a shot tbh.
I remember a power rank a long time ago when people discussed whether Stork should have been placed higher than Flash after beating him. But one argument really stood out in my eyes, it was about how Stork had won. Storks win was ridiculously beautiful, with a early game double expand, a third hidden expo all backing up a carrier switch which Flash couldn't stop.
The argument went something like this: If this much is demanded to be able to beat Flash then it says enough about Flash for him to remain number one.
On to the question then: With Flash Being a unstoppable ultimate weapon, something clever like this might just be what is needed So my name for this is Stork. He's got the intelligence and experience to deliver a Flashstopping Build order!
On February 28 2012 06:12 Warpath wrote: Terran seems to be his... + Show Spoiler +
weakness?
I could see Leta taking him down with a lucky break with Wraiths. Flash said he is least comfortable in TvT and Leta said 2port wraith feels really safe to him. But flash will see it coming and smash him before his strat takes off.
TvT has been flash's most consistent match up though, the only moment of weakness is when he got eliminated from MSL / OSL by ssak and classic, along with Kal / Hyuk. Other than that he's retained 75%+ win rate vs T and his worst / most recent lose streak (3) against terran is from the same period when he lost twice against Ssak and Classic.
That being said Fantasy is the most likely person I see being able to take out Flash in any stage of the game (now that Jaedong isn't performing so great and Effort already lost), which he demonstrated in the bigFile MSL semi-finals. He's also the second best performing player right along side Flash. Even though his two losses are against Terran, last was on fire and Leta has been on a solid win streak.
You aren't going to beat Flash with standard, you need creative cheese that will somehow catch him off guard. For that you need the Terran Kwanro... TurN.
I just hope Flash gets 7 more wins vs T, 3 more wins vs Z, and 5 more wins vs P before someone stops him so we can see a perfect 10/10 win on every recent match up on his TLPD page.
Fantasy, Baby, Jaedong or Effort. Fantasy is Fantasy, Jaedong may mindgame Flash somehow and win and Flash seem to have a weakness against Effort and Baby for some reason.
I have to agree with what a lot of people said, my money's on a Terran beating him.
Any A-team Terran could do it, really. What will happen is Flash will lose an early-mid game TvT engagement (before his godly macro can kick in late-game and let him recover from such things) and then his opponent will just siege up outside his base and win.
Flash is just too abusive with T against both Z and P right now, I really think a T beating him after a bad early-game engagement is what it's gonna be.
On February 28 2012 07:26 beg wrote: i dont follow BW, but he recently had a surgery anda break of several months, right?
i'm just watching his match history... and... he literally won every match after his break? wow.
Like I've posted earlier, it's probably not his mechanics that make him incredible, but his choices. I have no doubts that he felt much slower at the start of the season, but I've always noticed that my fingers speed up quickly.
Flash is going to play against jaedong and bunker rush him. Jaedong is going to 9 pool flash. Flash cant keep up with the micro. Jaedong shuts down that early game pressure, gets mutas out before flash gets turrets.
Then I collect my flash fan tears. World is rebalanced out.
Much as I want a Protoss to do it, my money's on a Terran. As mentioned previously: Fantasy or Leta probably have the best chances, but one can hold out hope for firebathero to do it and perform an epic ceremony.
On February 28 2012 07:37 Gatsbizzle wrote: Much as I want a Protoss to do it, my money's on a Terran. As mentioned previously: Fantasy or Leta probably have the best chances, but one can hold out hope for firebathero to do it and perform an epic ceremony.
Stats and Flash are going to run into each other in the OSL semifinals and Stats will beat him =P
More seriously: I think that someone from SKT, with the help of iloveoov, will be able to figure out a way to take a game off of God come the PL playoffs
On February 28 2012 06:59 0kz wrote: only Flash can beat Flash !
This is actually true in a weird way.
The only way Flash will lose, given his current pace, is if he makes a big mistake and someone capitalizes on it. In one way of looking at it, this means he could lose to anyone. In another way, this means that he can lose only to someone who can capitalize on his mistakes, which probably means some A-class Terran player, since that MU seems to be built on small advantages.
Flash will make a mistake, he's only human.
Or I could be completely wrong and Flash is not human anymore. CYBORG
CalmCalm, with a clever 2hat muta that will give him such a good advantage that he can get queens early. Those queens will save up alot of energy, used to broodling every tank and make lurker/dark swarm impossible to break. 23 minute game.
I think what teams are going to start doing for KT atm is just have a weak player practice 1 cheese build for a week and then use that cheese build against Flash. Honestly I feel thats the only way. He will not lose in a normal game.
On February 28 2012 07:37 Gatsbizzle wrote: Much as I want a Protoss to do it, my money's on a Terran. As mentioned previously: Fantasy or Leta probably have the best chances, but one can hold out hope for firebathero to do it and perform an epic ceremony.
Isn't Skyhigh pretty beast at TvT?
Statistically, Skyhigh has a beast TvT, but he's only been sent out 3 times this season (against Terrans, even) and is 1 for 3 (beat Mind, but lost to Fantasy and Light). Considering his current condition and how beastly Flash has been all season, it doesn't seem very likely he'll be able to do it. But you never know, PROVE ME WRONG SKYHIGH.
On February 28 2012 07:58 aupstar wrote: Flash is too talented. You need to bring back OSL to distract him/increase his workload for him to lose games.
Those of you saying that his "weakest" mu is tvt, I want to remind you that Flash's weakest isn't really saying much.
I can't remember who said this, but in an interview someone said Flash will not lose until the OSL starts since he is only focusing on team league, he is just beasting it.
On February 28 2012 08:10 Bagration wrote: Whoever beats Flash will be the next bonjwa of BW. It's kind of like the Elder Wand concept from Harry Potter.
hm why? flash "only" got slightly over 70% winrate. he already lost many times, it seems.
It's gonna be ZerO, he always does well vs Flash. Also I think flash will never lose a TvT or TvP because those generally are long games and we all know he's just so much better than everyone in long games so he's always gaining advantage... Maybe Leta or Fantasy can pull a snipe, but I recall a long time ago when Flash reverse all killed SKT and he beat fantasy with BO disadvantage VERY easily on Tornado.
On February 28 2012 08:13 dRaW wrote: It's gonna be ZerO, he always does well vs Flash. Also I think flash will never lose a TvT or TvP because those generally are long games and we all know he's just so much better than everyone in long games so he's always gaining advantage... Maybe Leta or Fantasy can pull a snipe, but I recall a long time ago when Flash reverse all killed SKT and he beat fantasy with BO disadvantage VERY easily on Tornado.
Flash said in an interview that he has the most confidence in his TvZ so I doubt that.
Reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=307027 Q - You've been showing lots of confidence in your TvZ matchup. A - I wish to keep on playing TvZ in the future. At the moment my TvZ is in the greatest height. I feel like if I want to have a record of most winningstreak, I want to play against zergs. When I look back and think about the 1 loss I had, I feel that i will be very disappointed. At the state I am in, I will not lose easily to a zerg.
Definitely Fantasy, if they ever meet. You can tell how hungry he is for it, he's stomping everyone left and right but he won't be satisfied until he hangs Flash's head up on his wall.
There are a lot of players who could take a game off of Flash, but he has been making flawless decisions and his macro/defense is still the best... very hard to counter. Also I don't think I've seen anyone try anything really aggressive against him this season.
Hon_Sin? And someone even mentioned Jaehoon...Oh I had such a good laugh. If one of those two break his streak I'm gonna go buy a hat, then eat it...slightly salty.
On February 28 2012 08:59 Lumire wrote: Some stupid gay cheese by some really bad player.
cmon you all know its going to happen...
Yeah, I think this is the answer. Some loser with some cheese. I even think that's the reason why Flash is cheesing/sort of cheesing in his last games...
I really think Flash is most likely going to go undefeated until the play-offs (if not beyond). but if someone beats him before the play-offs, I think it will be Leta.
I think he might to lose to anyone, who will have balls to cheese Flash himself, like 4 pool, 2 gate rush or BBS. Because anyone can fall down to a cheese. But in standard macro game, I think terrans have the better chances, despite Flash's godlike TvT. Terrans with super TvT of their own, e.g Fantasy, Leta, Baby. And as I fan, I really want to Jaedong beat Flash.
An alternate goatee'd Flash from a mirror universe is the only one who can beat him, though he'll be found to be using maphacks because he's the evil one.
Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
It seems to me that Fantasy, Stork and Jaedong(when he returns to back to form) may have a chance at beating Flash, each from their respective races. Stork definitely has bigger chance to beat Flash imo, but Fantasy has a chance because of TvT. Jaedong has a long way to come before he can stand against Flash.
Did someone already say terminal illness? The chances to get a random heart attack as a 20 year old may be pretty damn low, or other things, but all illnesses combined should have a decent shot at it. Maybe he will fall from a step ladder at home and break both his hands. Who knows?
Nah, in all seriousness, I don´t know. Either he will hit a slump or someone will get lucky. Flash is just abnormally good.
On February 28 2012 09:44 BtBEviL wrote: Why no one is talking about Stork? T_T
Because when stork played his best game of the season, Flash still just kind of rolled over him.
Stork's reaction to go carriers after breaking flash's tank contain was banking on flash remaxing on 200/200 before moving out, if flash had done that he would have been golden and actually have an advantage over flash, but flash continued vulture aggression and stork was careless transitioning losing units to mines and vultures for nothing and never got his 5th mining. Stork's contain break was beautiful, and the fact that he managed to stabilize after losing his natural so early in the game is really good. He certainly has a chance to take flash out. But he isn't the most likely person imo, that still has to go to fantasy.
On February 28 2012 09:58 Mataza wrote: Did someone already say terminal illness? The chances to get a random heart attack as a 20 year old may be pretty damn low, or other things, but all illnesses combined should have a decent shot at it. Maybe he will fall from a step ladder at home and break both his hands. Who knows?
Nah, in all seriousness, I don´t know. Either he will hit a slump or someone will get lucky. Flash is just abnormally good.
I think Fantasy is the only one who has a chance in a long game. Flash has been cheesing a lot recently, though, so if someone scouts or blind counters his build, he could lose.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote: An alternate goatee'd Flash from a mirror universe is the only one who can beat him, though he'll be found to be using maphacks because he's the evil one.
Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
But then won't it turn out that that the goatee'd alternate Flash is actually the good one? And the real, evil Flash will just stomp him mercilessly
Everyone have the potential of beating Flash but everytime they prepare a build specialized to make it happen, Flash won't use the previous strategy on the map. He is keeping everyone on their feet. I think whoever takes iniative in-game against him will defintively win since in this streak of his, he is always been the one to throw the first punch.
TvT is Flash's best match historically, but it's his most likely to drop at the moment. Probably to Fanta, Leta or Baby if he brings it. TvZ has been very lopsided this season and in TvP although the results overall appear balanced, the top 3 or 4 Terrans are just ROFLstomping every Protoss in sight.
I think this will change somewhat once OSL starts, if ever, or perhaps once SWL starts, if ever. Terran is mostly avoiding Outlier and Chain Reaction and on these maps I could definitely see Flash losing to a non-Terran.
In my opinion, it's not that FlaSh is unstoppable, but more so that EVERYONE (except Fanta ofc) is slumping. And the only other people who could possible beat him are on his team (again except Fanta). So, I'm gonna have to say Fantasy because he's the only person NOT slumping atm.
Any strong player could beat him with a risky, well-prepared and well-executed build. But it seems like a waste to prepare extensively for a game that might not happen and probably ends up losing even if it does. So it's much more likely to happen in the OSL than the proleague. Either that or a TvT against Fantasy, Baby or Leta from an even opening.
I only see a terran stopping flash, very little odds but maybe a protoss. Zerg has no chance whatsoever. Did you see game vs Soulkey? Top zerg in proleagues now and he made him look like a Noob. I can see Fantasy, Leta and maybe Last at the moment. Only Toss that comes to mind is Jangbi.
On February 28 2012 09:36 renzy wrote: If Shine drinks a lot of water before the game and needs to go to the bathroom REALLY urgently, he will beat Flash. =D
Toilet Zerg is the bonjwa killer you got that right.
Jaedong has looked pretty damn good since then, despite the recent loss to leta's shenanigans...
He finally has that "I'm going to crush your face" look going into games again. That alone is all the proof I need. He may not be the next to beat Flash, but the day will come.
Not going to lie though.. Fantasy Flash TvT BoX would be something else.
Perhaps I have the better question? What's his aggregate winning streak including practice games? Have his practice partners won against him since the wrist surgery?
On February 28 2012 11:31 Emperor_Earth wrote: Perhaps I have the better question? What's his aggregate winning streak including practice games? Have his practice partners won against him since the wrist surgery?
Considering how much BW pros practice I find it very unlikely he has not lost a practice game.
More than likely, Flash will win until the OSL starts, and even then who knows. The only reason he lost the last one is because he already has 3 OSLs, and was up against a Dragon in the fall, and not even a god can fight that much fate.
Best guess: Soulkey beats Flash in OSL, whenever that is.
Fantasy would probably be the most obvious candidate - he has the next strongest PL record and is demonstrating strong vT at the moment.
Other players who have come close/showing play that could come close: Stork, Soulkey, Jangbi, Last, Zero (although not doing well lately), Leta, Baby ... maybe Effort and Hydra, and maybe maybe Light.
Players I want to break Flash's record, because it would be awesome: skyhigh - skyhigh fan, TvT sniper, and he still has a winning record vs Flash, I think (I know, I know, he has a winning record vs fantasy and lost recently to him for the first time - but if he'd bloody focus-fired that CC, that game would have turned out very differently). Firebathero - these two have given us epic TvTs in the past hon_sin - the kid is awesome. Sea - for the moral boost it would give him ... T_T
Leta: He would need to channel the player inside of him that has been wrecking everyone lately. Jaedong: He would need to play absolutely monster-like in order to beat Flash. Baby: Luck would be his biggest weapon. Fantasy: The most craziest build and execution would be needed.
Jaedong looks so mortal right now so unless he can get some dedicated practice partners or a youth serum I don't think it will be him . But my guess will be a protoss. That gives you best/stork/bisu/jangbi. Personally I want best or bisu to take him down.
On February 28 2012 06:54 Al Bundy wrote: Here's my input, I don't really mind who will beat Flash, I just hope that people won't make a huge deal about it. I mean, losing games is perfectly normal in competitive BW, and no one can maintain such a crazy winrate forever. Someone will beat him sooner or later, it's bound to happen, no big deal really.
Oh It will be a big deal. A VERY BIG DEAL.
I'll be the one of those people who will be over-joyed and that I can picture myself trashing people in the LR and would be the reason for my first ban. I will be one of those who will wreak havoc when the time comes that God will fall.
Hyuk will be the God Slayer
Poll: Will Hyuk be it?
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He has a very big chance. (4)
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Your vote: Will Hyuk be it?
(Vote): There is no doubt in my mind. (Vote): He has a very big chance.
D0 you guys realize its a modern savior we are watching? The only limitiati0n on my praise is that he is Terran. Besides that good luck. Best player i've ever seen rush. Best player ever seen mid-game timing. Best player i've ever seen late game. Flash is insurmountable
On February 28 2012 12:58 Rebel_lion wrote: D0 you guys realize its a modern savior we are watching? The only limitiati0n on my praise is that he is Terran. Besides that good luck. Best player i've ever seen rush. Best player ever seen mid-game timing. Best player i've ever seen late game. Flash is insurmountable
I beg to differ, sAviOr's style is very much distinct while Flash's is ubiquitous.
My head and heart say Fantasy will be the first to beat Flash. My gut tells me Coach Lee Ju Hoon will be the actual 1st person to "beat" Flash when Flash attempts some greedy BO loss like 14CC v 2 Fact TvT, or 1FactSeige, Triple Command TvP.
i don't think flash's winstreak is as big of a deal as it is being made out to be, considering there have been no individual leagues this whole time. man when is the OSL going to come back already?!?!
he could very well finish the season undefeated, as the odds of him playing a player of high enough caliber to defeat him is pretty low (out of 14 games, only 4 players (stork, jaedong, soulkey, and sorta best) have a realistic shot of beating him. Which according to my dekstop calculator, means that only 28.5% of the opponents he faces will even have a chance of beating him. With no ace matches or individual leagues, it's hard to see a realistic chance of flash losing anytime soon.
A year into the future, all the teams will gather together to have a talk, and the overwhelming conclusion is Flash has such a stellar record that it will distort space-time itself. To that end, they decide to dust off their time-machine, and send the future Flash to face his former self, so that Flash will realize with clarity that his greatest rival is himself, and then just like anti-matter Flash will cancel himself out and finally have a loss.
But no seriously, can't think of anyone off my mind who can beat Flash right now except maybe Fantasy.
Favourites in my mind are Fantasy, Baby and Leta. I can't see a zerg taking flash down atm and the protosses with the best shots got smashed recently (Best/Stork). There's also a good chance his first loss will be to some sort of all-in/cheese/b.o win.
Like most people, I will probably agree that he will lose a TvT...eventually. The thing is that it's hard to snipe flash this season, and no team wants to beat flash but still lose. It will probably require sheer luck and phenomenal preperation to beat him (and lots of cheese on top).
In my wildest fanboy dreams, Flash goes through PL and OSL completely undefeated, and in order to save BW, Kespa bans him from playing Terran ever again. Then we get to watch Flash's rise as a Zerg or Protoss player. I wonder which he'd choose.
For the remaining rounds of Proleague, KT plays STX, CJ, ACE and T8.
STX: Wow, Bogus is 0-5 in his last 5 TvTs and has 46,88% winrate overall? TIL. Last started really well but hasn't been playing well lately. Don't see anyone else beating Flash.
CJ: To those who have been saying Effort seems to have Flash's number, they already played recently and Flash just rolled him. Skyhigh hasn't been playing great TvT either. Maybe Leta has a chance, but probably Flash victory.
ACE: Don't think anyone in ACE can beat Flash.
T8: Maybe Baby. Don't see anyone else to have much of a chance. Jaedong, Killer: TvZ against Flash hasn't been close lately, his late game mech transition seems unbeatable. Unless some zerg pulls off some early agression which Flash doens't fend off well. Still think Flash wins against whoever here.
After these games, if KT is number 1 seed, they only face a Bo7 Grand Finals, is that correct? If that is the case, there would only be 5 more Flash games in this season. I honestly believe Flash will finish 100%.
On February 28 2012 11:06 Starburst wrote: In my opinion, it's not that FlaSh is unstoppable, but more so that EVERYONE (except Fanta ofc) is slumping. And the only other people who could possible beat him are on his team (again except Fanta). So, I'm gonna have to say Fantasy because he's the only person NOT slumping atm.
that's definitely an excuse to make flash look worse than he is....lol
The player who will beat him is the one who is ambitious enough and eager to win. We've all seen what Jangbi is capable of. So I guess any skilled player can if he really wants to. Nowadays Flash has an aura of invincibility and players just got pressed while playing him, he sure does not make mistakes and plays almost perfect SC, but he is not a machine, the game when he slips first can be easily taken by JD, Baby, Stork, SK. I wish I could name some young names, but I haven't watched PL for a while now. Sooner or later he will give his positions away, but at present his form is optimal, and we haven't seen really good games from the rest of progamers so far to make a good pick of a rival.
I say Jangbi has a chance to beat him, although Flash still has the upperhand. Maybe something along the lines of 60-40 favoring Flash but still I think he has a decent chance depending on the circumstances. Fantasy also has a shot at it, probably a little closer to 50-50 odds.
i think fantasy TvT is the best bet. in proleague. If BoX series, then i would say zerg (4 pool shenanigans). It cant be a team member that will beat flash because i remember in an interview when they were like "when you play flash its like you forget how to win" OTHER than that POWER OUTAGE
Obviously the first person to beat Flash will be Slayers_Yugioh.
This will be of course 6 years from now when Flash finally has to have his left hand amputated and hence is forced to play SC2 with just a mouse. His first SC2 loss will also be during a GSL final that he wins 4-1 and everyone is surprised that it wasn't more one sided.
On February 28 2012 09:11 Darth Saros wrote: Hon_Sin? And someone even mentioned Jaehoon...Oh I had such a good laugh. If one of those two break his streak I'm gonna go buy a hat, then eat it...slightly salty.
Quoting this to hold you to it. Saw a guy who lost a bet and he said he'd eat a hat. I dunno if he actually did. Anyone recall the thread where someone said he'd eat a hat?
On February 28 2012 14:26 lorkac wrote: Obviously the first person to beat Flash will be Slayers_Yugioh.
This will be of course 6 years from now when Flash finally has to have his left hand amputated and hence is forced to play SC2 with just a mouse. His first SC2 loss will also be during a GSL final that he wins 4-1 and everyone is surprised that it wasn't more one sided.
This is so blasphemous in context, you are talking about the terminator who always get spare parts from sky net with new upgraded chips and arms to improve mouse accuracy and decision making . Flash will never get amputated in my opinion, he is the golden boy of starcraft broodwar and it will stay that way.
Through Month Wins Losses Games Percentage April 2007 4 0 4 100.00% May 2007 7 1 8 87.50% June 2007 14 2 16 87.50% July 2007 22 12 34 64.71% August 2007 22 12 34 64.71% September 2007 24 15 39 61.54% October 2007 27 17 44 61.36% November 2007 31 22 53 58.49% December 2007 39 24 63 61.90% January 2008 45 27 72 62.50% February 2008 54 33 87 62.07% March 2008 57 33 90 63.33% April 2008 62 34 96 64.58% May 2008 77 37 114 67.54% June 2008 86 42 128 67.19% July 2008 96 50 146 65.75% August 2008 101 55 156 64.74% September 2008 105 57 162 64.81% October 2008 116 62 178 65.17% November 2008 121 63 184 65.76% December 2008 133 66 199 66.83% January 2009 137 70 207 66.18% February 2009 155 77 232 66.81% March 2009 158 80 238 66.39% April 2009 164 82 246 66.67% May 2009 171 86 257 66.54% June 2009 186 89 275 67.64% July 2009 194 94 288 67.36% August 2009 202 97 299 67.56% September 2009 202 97 299 67.56% October 2009 212 97 309 68.61% November 2009 217 98 315 68.89% December 2009 233 101 334 69.76% January 2010 250 108 358 69.83% February 2010 259 110 369 70.19% March 2010 269 111 380 70.79% April 2010 285 114 399 71.43% May 2010 303 120 423 71.63% June 2010 308 126 434 70.97% July 2010 314 128 442 71.04% August 2010 335 135 470 71.28% September 2010 341 137 478 71.34% October 2010 345 138 483 71.43% November 2010 353 138 491 71.89% December 2010 360 143 503 71.57% January 2011 372 144 516 72.09% February 2011 378 145 523 72.28% March 2011 387 148 535 72.34% April 2011 391 151 542 72.14% May 2011 402 155 557 72.17% June 2011 411 161 572 71.85% July 2011 420 164 584 71.92% August 2011 423 166 589 71.82% September 2011 423 166 589 71.82% October 2011 423 166 589 71.82% November 2011 425 166 591 71.91% December 2011 428 166 594 72.05% January 2012 432 166 598 72.24% February 2012 437 166 603 72.47%
He's at 75.76% since January 2009 (slightly more than three years and 396 games) and 76.33% since January 2010 (slightly more than two years and 245 games). And he's actually down very slightly since January 2011; 74.71% over 87 games. He seems well on his way to rectifying that, though.
On February 28 2012 14:26 lorkac wrote: Obviously the first person to beat Flash will be Slayers_Yugioh.
This will be of course 6 years from now when Flash finally has to have his left hand amputated and hence is forced to play SC2 with just a mouse. His first SC2 loss will also be during a GSL final that he wins 4-1 and everyone is surprised that it wasn't more one sided.
This is so blasphemous in context, you are talking about the terminator who always get spare parts from sky net with new upgraded chips and arms to improve mouse accuracy and decision making . Flash will never get amputated in my opinion, he is the golden boy of starcraft broodwar and it will stay that way.
On February 28 2012 14:26 lorkac wrote: Obviously the first person to beat Flash will be Slayers_Yugioh.
This will be of course 6 years from now when Flash finally has to have his left hand amputated and hence is forced to play SC2 with just a mouse. His first SC2 loss will also be during a GSL final that he wins 4-1 and everyone is surprised that it wasn't more one sided.
This is so blasphemous in context, you are talking about the terminator who always get spare parts from sky net with new upgraded chips and arms to improve mouse accuracy and decision making . Flash will never get amputated in my opinion, he is the golden boy of starcraft broodwar and it will stay that way.
Yah a fail troll if i ever saw one.
??
How is agreeing that Flash is good (in a thread that is obviously about celebrating how good flash is) trolling?
EDIT::
Because I was misunderstood in what I was suggesting earlier.
Flash won't start losing (consistently losing) until he's finally retired from BW and plays some other less stressful game where he will lose because he's playing casually and not in the same intensity as he played in BW.
On February 28 2012 14:26 lorkac wrote: Obviously the first person to beat Flash will be Slayers_Yugioh.
This will be of course 6 years from now when Flash finally has to have his left hand amputated and hence is forced to play SC2 with just a mouse. His first SC2 loss will also be during a GSL final that he wins 4-1 and everyone is surprised that it wasn't more one sided.
This is so blasphemous in context, you are talking about the terminator who always get spare parts from sky net with new upgraded chips and arms to improve mouse accuracy and decision making . Flash will never get amputated in my opinion, he is the golden boy of starcraft broodwar and it will stay that way.
Yah a fail troll if i ever saw one.
??
How is agreeing that Flash is good (in a thread that is obviously about celebrating how good flash is) trolling?
EDIT::
Because I was misunderstood in what I was suggesting earlier.
Flash won't start losing (consistently losing) until he's finally retired from BW and plays some other less stressful game where he will lose because he's playing casually and not in the same intensity as he played in BW.
Like if he switches to SC2. I'd give him a week to learn the builds, then he'll be invincible again.
On February 28 2012 14:26 lorkac wrote: Obviously the first person to beat Flash will be Slayers_Yugioh.
This will be of course 6 years from now when Flash finally has to have his left hand amputated and hence is forced to play SC2 with just a mouse. His first SC2 loss will also be during a GSL final that he wins 4-1 and everyone is surprised that it wasn't more one sided.
This is so blasphemous in context, you are talking about the terminator who always get spare parts from sky net with new upgraded chips and arms to improve mouse accuracy and decision making . Flash will never get amputated in my opinion, he is the golden boy of starcraft broodwar and it will stay that way.
Yah a fail troll if i ever saw one.
??
How is agreeing that Flash is good (in a thread that is obviously about celebrating how good flash is) trolling?
EDIT::
Because I was misunderstood in what I was suggesting earlier.
Flash won't start losing (consistently losing) until he's finally retired from BW and plays some other less stressful game where he will lose because he's playing casually and not in the same intensity as he played in BW.
Like if he switches to SC2. I'd give him a week to learn the builds, then he'll be invincible again.
Highly doubt it.
SCII is not as balanced as BW is and it looks like it never will be.
stork will...last time they met stork was sick and couldnt perform his best... the game turn out pretty even and stork had upper hand at some points in game.
no way a toss or terran has any chance whatsoever, Fantasy might if he get's a mayor BO adv (1port 1fact vs 2port), and zero has the potential to beat anyone and Calm has historically played awesome vs flash (watch their game on benzene for people who think that Calm can't play standard if he prepares for it)
i mean this is build that likely can take a game off Flash.
Because Flash single handedly broke 2hatch muta. No Zerg plays it anymore. On paper, it's supposed to be the direct counter to 1rax expand, and Jaedong had used to to annihilate Terrans all the time and helped popularize it. So when Flash went 1rax expand every game, all the Zergs tried it. It didn't work - Flash just defended it with minimal losses, and then steamrolled his opponents with superior eco.
On February 28 2012 14:26 lorkac wrote: Obviously the first person to beat Flash will be Slayers_Yugioh.
This will be of course 6 years from now when Flash finally has to have his left hand amputated and hence is forced to play SC2 with just a mouse. His first SC2 loss will also be during a GSL final that he wins 4-1 and everyone is surprised that it wasn't more one sided.
This is so blasphemous in context, you are talking about the terminator who always get spare parts from sky net with new upgraded chips and arms to improve mouse accuracy and decision making . Flash will never get amputated in my opinion, he is the golden boy of starcraft broodwar and it will stay that way.
Yah a fail troll if i ever saw one.
??
How is agreeing that Flash is good (in a thread that is obviously about celebrating how good flash is) trolling?
EDIT::
Because I was misunderstood in what I was suggesting earlier.
Flash won't start losing (consistently losing) until he's finally retired from BW and plays some other less stressful game where he will lose because he's playing casually and not in the same intensity as he played in BW.
Like if he switches to SC2. I'd give him a week to learn the builds, then he'll be invincible again.
The specific game doesn't matter--I was talking more about lack of drive/getting old/tired/girlfriend whatever. If he's still willing to push himself to the brink then he'll still play BW. If he's wanting to be more casual then he might join, i don't know, amateur chess tournaments or professional wii tennis or whatever else he feels like joining--the game specific doesn't matter--no SC2 vs BW please.
It's either gonna be Stork or some randomd B teamer. Sayle speculated in one of his casts that the teams should choose one B teamer who only prepared for beating Flash with some crazy all-in....oh, how I hope this is going to happen.
I think its either going to be JD in a standard game or a protoss going some sort of 1base aggressive build such as 4gate or proxy robo for elevator. Jaedong can beat Flash with just muta-ling on the right maps.
I think it's Bisu with that streak. IMHO ppl bash Bisu's PvT too much, he is actually a very good PvT player with a 62% winrate which is pretty awesome.
For me Fantasy looks most likely to win against Flash, as the second best player in BW atm. But I would love to see Stork win with carriers!!
I believe the real flash died during the "wrist surgery" incident and he's now a robot made by Kespa. Team ACE found out and thats why FBH hasn't been playing in the proleague. He's been secretely practicing a strategy that can break the unbreakable robot.
For reals though. FBH is that man to do it. Either that or Flash will end up making a huge mistake in a random game and lose.
I think that no one will beat him. After his surgery, he has become the pinnacle of what a player should be. I know you all expect him to lose, but i for one think that for his remaining BW career he will not lose a single BOX series. He is a true master of the game, and no one will ever take that from him
Dunno if anyone here was following bw back then, but this reminds me of iloveoov's 2003 debut, dominating team leagues and ripping through his first MSL with the best streak to date. They have stylistic similarities too, monster macro, strong mental games and both hard to cheese. Let's call it the debut of Flash 2.0.
KT v STX tomorrow. It's gonna happen and it's going to be the upset of the century, and I just called it. Have you seen Mini's vT win rate? lets just say it's waaaaay higher than Flash's vP.
KT v STX tomorrow. It's gonna happen and it's going to be the upset of the century, and I just called it. Have you seen Mini's vT win rate? lets just say it's waaaaay higher than Flash's vP.
Yeah man, Mini has NEVER lost a vT game EVER, suck on that Flash!
KT vs STX watch out man. Mini gonna tear some shit up, cya later Flash's winning streak!!!
KT v STX tomorrow. It's gonna happen and it's going to be the upset of the century, and I just called it. Have you seen Mini's vT win rate? lets just say it's waaaaay higher than Flash's vP.
Yeah man, Mini has NEVER lost a vT game EVER, suck on that Flash!
KT vs STX watch out man. Mini gonna tear some shit up, cya later Flash's winning streak!!!
On February 28 2012 18:44 Kiante wrote: last time flash was on a tear back in 09/10 his streak got busted by hyun. random bad zerg will take him down imo
He was on a 15-game win streak back when he simultaneously won OSL/MSL. It was ended by Fantasy, but it probably should have ended much sooner by the quality of games he played against Leta. To my eye, Flash is even more dangerous now than he was then.
On February 28 2012 18:44 Kiante wrote: last time flash was on a tear back in 09/10 his streak got busted by hyun. random bad zerg will take him down imo
He was on a 15-game win streak back when he simultaneously won OSL/MSL. It was ended by Fantasy, but it probably should have ended much sooner by the quality of games he played against Leta. To my eye, Flash is even more dangerous now than he was then.
1. Leta - he always always seems to give flash fits of some sort, and all the game he wins are extremely extremely close, hardly ever one-sided unless leta decide to kill himelf
2. Fantasy - probably the more reputable after all hi epic series vs flash in the past, if there's one man who can go head-to-head with flash if he's really on hi game its him
3. Jaedong has struggled this season but he's still a beast and played flash enough times to know how he plays.
JAEDONG will do the job no one can, the tyrant was not given the nickname legend killer for eating pringles all day smoking weed and watching jaedong beating flash ..... for nothing .
(the answer is yes to the following question u asked after reading this )
Don't think he will actually lose many games. Probably he will be cheesed or lose to some rookie, but I don't think he will lose more than 2 games (in a row).
GSL wasn't TECHNICALLY their name but that's what they're referring to when they talk about GSL in BW :D
Yah, and people forget how JD and Bisu also won one each
Also, Jangbi and Stork has 1 silver each (to bisu and flash respectively) so the Kongs are represented as well (except Fantasy, but i suppose Iris replaces him ? )
1:3 next season. Flash is going to do the impossible and make true his wish for an undefeated run in the Proleague, doing what no player has ever managed to do before. Possibly the stepping stone to leading the world into peace and bringing balance to the force. At the start of the season when he said this I thought it was impossible... I still think it's unlikely.
1:4 fantasy: he's playing in possibly the best form of his life right now, and his solid openers means that if he decides to do something unorthodox in TvT it has a higher chance than normal to work.
1:5 BaBy: the only player who managed to out-multitask Flash (in possibly the greatest TvTs ever played). He's unpredictable, capable of epic fails and immaculate play. If he happens to be in his greatest form, he has a serious chance.
2:15 Jangbi: because when he prepares well, he knows how to make the impossible happen.
1:15 ZerO: The only Zerg player that has shown not only the macro needed to keep up with Flash, but also the ability to do creative and cleverly abusive strategies other people just don't expect (forces Flash to play less aggressive).
Other candidates: Snow/Horang2/other protoss cheese, Leta/Turn/other Terran cheese, some incredibly lucky Zerg that would have won the lottery if he filled out a form instead of playing Flash.
this new format means flash plays almost half as many games without the ace match. he's got so much less to prepare for(no osl yet either), it's hard to see him losing anytime soon.
Saying that only Flash can beat Flash is nonsense. It would result in a tie in an empty map and with the last two battlecruisers killing themselves simultaneously. Think before posting next time.
On February 28 2012 18:44 Kiante wrote: last time flash was on a tear back in 09/10 his streak got busted by hyun. random bad zerg will take him down imo
Didn't Best take down one of his streaks on Fighting Spirit?
Actually I dreamed a few nights ago that Soo defeated Flash. It was looking bleak for Flash when Soo was mining from 5 bases, Flash from 3, and one of Soo's bases was supposed to be Flash's 4th. Flash didn't really have any kind of death ball going on and no mech switch in sight, and right then the observer noticed that Soo had already upgraded to Ultralisk Mages... I think Flash scanned them because he gg'd very soon after.
Damn TL - you really came out of the woods on this one! 20 pages long!
Skyhigh will dominate that kid as always. TvT easy peasy. Zero can also macro with that chump. Just broodling the tanks and lurker the rest. Stork / Jangbi / Best come to mind when KT-Cheddar isn't online. Guy does have an impressive streak though. Kudos.
On February 29 2012 02:56 Emon_ wrote: Damn TL - you really came out of the woods on this one! 20 pages long!
Skyhigh will dominate that kid as always. TvT easy peasy. Zero can also macro with that chump. Just broodling the tanks and lurker the rest. Stork / Jangbi / Best come to mind when KT-Cheddar isn't online. Guy does have an impressive streak though. Kudos.
This post is full of lol. I can't tell if it's just troll or delusion.
No one deserves to win against Flash based on his skill level at the moment.
I'd say he's most likely to lose in a TvT, or against Jaedong in his top shape or some Zerg with an insane build.
1. Any respectable Terran (or TvTer) - Baby, Fantasy, Leta, Skyhigh, Bogus, Last, Turn, Firebathero (he was good during his KHAN days, maybe he can wake it up sometime)
2. Zerg with a cheese/new build 3. Jaedong on a long macro game
I just hope for one thing - that he won't lose to a TvP game because I hate Protoss.
I seem to remember a young Bisu showing the way against SaViOr so long ago. We had: 1 - 'Unstoppable' bonjwa type playing 2 - a relatively unknown, but hot rookie, who was supposed to be 3 - Savior's easiest matchup 3-0 after last game on Blitz X
On February 29 2012 05:44 MZR wrote: I seem to remember a young Bisu showing the way against SaViOr so long ago. We had: 1 - 'Unstoppable' bonjwa type playing 2 - a relatively unknown, but hot rookie, who was supposed to be 3 - Savior's easiest matchup 3-0 after last game on Blitz X
On February 29 2012 05:44 MZR wrote: I seem to remember a young Bisu showing the way against SaViOr so long ago. We had: 1 - 'Unstoppable' bonjwa type playing 2 - a relatively unknown, but hot rookie, who was supposed to be 3 - Savior's easiest matchup 3-0 after last game on Blitz X
This means we need a good Terran rookie...
I think TurN (maybe)
Wrong.
Flash in his latest interview said TvT is his hardest matchup. He said TvZ and TvP is much easier than TvT. I am guessing a P or Z new comer in your theory, and had high hopes on Dear, but he got manhandled. Sux that Wooki is on KT... lol
Flash in his latest interview said TvT is his hardest matchup. He said TvZ and TvP is much easier than TvT. I am guessing a P or Z new comer in your theory, and had high hopes on Dear, but he got manhandled. Sux that Wooki is on KT... lol
I dunno, Flash's career record is best TvT, and his ELO is sky-high (no pun intended). All the same, I still think it'll be a rookie, and that rookie may be the next (read:last) great BW'er
This reminds me the situation when Flash went on ridiculous TvT winning streak winning 22 games in a row. People were asking that time who will beat him as well. He just seemed invincible. In the end it was Really, out of all the players. I expect someone random to beat Flash one day with a well-crafted build and great play.
But if you would have to point to a particular player, I think the most likely are Leta, Fantasy or Stork. Maybe Zero with good build like the one when he beat Flash on Icarus last year.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote: Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Then who are you suggesting he "should" lose to? ;p
On another note, it would be so sick to see a FBH v. Flash match x.x
All of STX Soul will combine to form a being more powerful than any fantasy SPL player could ever imagine and crush Flash with the power of love. Fuck yeah love.
That or JD actually gets legitimate practice done and either runs in and kills Flash immediately pre-muta or post-muta timing (a la Soulkey) or manages to slowly duke out Flash with hydra/lurker/ling/defiler against late mech.
Unless JD dies to a bunker rush because he makes terribad decisions for some goddamn reason.
On February 29 2012 10:46 ymir233 wrote: All of STX Soul will combine to form a being more powerful than any fantasy SPL player could ever imagine and crush Flash with the power of love. Fuck yeah love.
That or JD actually gets legitimate practice done and either runs in and kills Flash immediately pre-muta or post-muta timing (a la Soulkey) or manages to slowly duke out Flash with hydra/lurker/ling/defiler against late mech.
Unless JD dies to a bunker rush because he makes terribad decisions for some goddamn reason.
^this.
seems like either zergs lose to pre-muta no sunken break, or bunker rush, or mid game vs flash. has anyone gotten to late game yet?
"G~~~G~~~!!!" The commentators screamed in unison. The crowd erupted. The deafening cacophony of celebration roared over the skies of Seoul.
For on this hot, summer night, Lee Young Ho aka Flash aka God has won his 4th OSL title. It was a glorious moment. Girls at the venue not hiding their faces but instead chanting his name and throwing him their panties. The guys screaming in epiphany but remaining sitting down for the last few games were just erotic. Keyboard makers around the world jumping in joy in anticipation of new sales in light of the millions destroyed by drooling Liquidians and Chinese fans watching history being made on stream.
But for God himself. It felt... Empty. Winning had become... Easy. His control was faultless, his macro was the very Oxford Dictionary definition of perfect, and his strategies didn't matter, for he could kill a 200/200 army going triple CC first defending the first 20 minutes only using SCVs.
This, he knew. Would be the end of the line.
That night, he went out with his KT comrades, hoping to shrug off that feeling of emptiness with alcohol and girls. (He's only part terminator, therefore still subject to worldly pleasures.) Walking into the bar in his progamermansweatdrenched uniform, he shed his reserved and cool demeanor, champagne flowing freely from his newly swollen bank account.
And as for the girls. Oh the girls. They surrounded him like bees to honey. They clung to him as other girls tried to fight to put a hand, nay, a finger, on his Godly self.
"Hmmm, no wonder Bisu spends so long doing his hair instead of practicing. This is pretty cool."
Heck, even Rekrul's girls got up and went over, unable to resist the sheer hotness emanating from his pores.
But soon, after being the second person in history to bed all 9 SNSD at the same time (Reach was first, according to a TL post), he has pretty much reached the pinnacle of manliness. Of course, with another OSL it was not like he was likely to run out of champagne money anytime soon.
As the girls got up and left, the boredom crept over him again. What can he do now? He laid back in his bed and turned on TV. HBO (or whatever they have in Korea) is showing Scarface.
"Oh man, that sugar movie again. Wonder why all these Americans are so obssessed about sugar. Or is it salt? Whatever." He muttered to himself.
"That's not sugar. Or salt." A tender voice replied. Flash looked around to see Seohyun who had stayed behind to fix him breakfast.
---
A few years later, a new wave of drug trade swept across the globe. It was a mysterious phenomenon. Interpol worked double shifts but couldn't work out who was behind it all, FBI and CIA were given permission to nuke the supply chain but they could no more locate any of it than WMDs in Iraq. Many of the top Brood War pros at the time retired but the scene continued on strong with a huge, untraceable but generous donation, allowing, for the first time, an OSL finals in SPACE.
Of course, if you read this wall of text you'd kinda guess Flash was behind it all. After getting into contact with the top dealers in Asia, he used his uncanny StarSense, his mighty cybernetic strength and the gentle, nurturing TLC from Seohyun to quickly take over the scene. Soon Jaedong and Bisu and Stork joined his enterprise and the greatest cartel the world has even known has been created.
And he was still unbeaten.
EDIT: Oh God did I just write all that... WTF did I just do.
Dustin Browder swooping in from out of nowhere on a grappling hook, wielding a powerful nerf hammer that dooms BW Terrans forever as he swoops away with a thievish grin on his face. Meanwhile, SC2 Terran is buffed with the powers that he stole from their ancestors.
But Flash would still be undefeated, so in the end it really doesn't matter.
On February 29 2012 11:13 Mobius_1 wrote: "G~~~G~~~!!!" The commentators screamed in unison. The crowd erupted. The deafening cacophony of celebration roared over the skies of Seoul.
For on this hot, summer night, Lee Young Ho aka Flash aka God has won his 4th OSL title. It was a glorious moment. Girls at the venue not hiding their faces but instead chanting his name and throwing him their panties. The guys screaming in epiphany but remaining sitting down for the last few games were just erotic. Keyboard makers around the world jumping in joy in anticipation of new sales in light of the millions destroyed by drooling Liquidians and Chinese fans watching history being made on stream.
But for God himself. It felt... Empty. Winning had become... Easy. His control was faultless, his macro was the very Oxford Dictionary definition of perfect, and his strategies didn't matter, for he could kill a 200/200 army going triple CC first defending the first 20 minutes only using SCVs.
This, he knew. Would be the end of the line.
That night, he went out with his KT comrades, hoping to shrug off that feeling of emptiness with alcohol and girls. (He's only part terminator, therefore still subject to worldly pleasures.) Walking into the bar in his progamermansweatdrenched uniform, he shed his reserved and cool demeanor, champagne flowing freely from his newly swollen bank account.
And as for the girls. Oh the girls. They surrounded him like bees to honey. They clung to him as other girls tried to fight to put a hand, nay, a finger, on his Godly self.
"Hmmm, no wonder Bisu spends so long doing his hair instead of practicing. This is pretty cool."
Heck, even Rekrul's girls got up and went over, unable to resist the sheer hotness emanating from his pores.
But soon, after being the second person in history to bed all 9 SNSD at the same time (Reach was first, according to a TL post), he has pretty much reached the pinnacle of manliness. Of course, with another OSL it was not like he was likely to run out of champagne money anytime soon.
As the girls got up and left, the boredom crept over him again. What can he do now? He laid back in his bed and turned on TV. HBO (or whatever they have in Korea) is showing Scarface.
"Oh man, that sugar movie again. Wonder why all these Americans are so obssessed about sugar. Or is it salt? Whatever." He muttered to himself.
"That's not sugar. Or salt." A tender voice replied. Flash looked around to see Seohyun who had stayed behind to fix him breakfast.
---
A few years later, a new wave of drug trade swept across the globe. It was a mysterious phenomenon. Interpol worked double shifts but couldn't work out who was behind it all, FBI and CIA were given permission to nuke the supply chain but they could no more locate any of it than WMDs in Iraq. Many of the top Brood War pros at the time retired but the scene continued on strong with a huge, untraceable but generous donation, allowing, for the first time, an OSL finals in SPACE.
Of course, if you read this wall of text you'd kinda guess Flash was behind it all. After getting into contact with the top dealers in Asia, he used his uncanny StarSense, his mighty cybernetic strength and the gentle, nurturing TLC from Seohyun to quickly take over the scene. Soon Jaedong and Bisu and Stork joined his enterprise and the greatest cartel the world has even known has been created.
And he was still unbeaten.
EDIT: Oh God did I just write all that... WTF did I just do.
On February 29 2012 11:13 Mobius_1 wrote: "G~~~G~~~!!!" The commentators screamed in unison. The crowd erupted. The deafening cacophony of celebration roared over the skies of Seoul.
For on this hot, summer night, Lee Young Ho aka Flash aka God has won his 4th OSL title. It was a glorious moment. Girls at the venue not hiding their faces but instead chanting his name and throwing him their panties. The guys screaming in epiphany but remaining sitting down for the last few games were just erotic. Keyboard makers around the world jumping in joy in anticipation of new sales in light of the millions destroyed by drooling Liquidians and Chinese fans watching history being made on stream.
But for God himself. It felt... Empty. Winning had become... Easy. His control was faultless, his macro was the very Oxford Dictionary definition of perfect, and his strategies didn't matter, for he could kill a 200/200 army going triple CC first defending the first 20 minutes only using SCVs.
This, he knew. Would be the end of the line.
That night, he went out with his KT comrades, hoping to shrug off that feeling of emptiness with alcohol and girls. (He's only part terminator, therefore still subject to worldly pleasures.) Walking into the bar in his progamermansweatdrenched uniform, he shed his reserved and cool demeanor, champagne flowing freely from his newly swollen bank account.
And as for the girls. Oh the girls. They surrounded him like bees to honey. They clung to him as other girls tried to fight to put a hand, nay, a finger, on his Godly self.
"Hmmm, no wonder Bisu spends so long doing his hair instead of practicing. This is pretty cool."
Heck, even Rekrul's girls got up and went over, unable to resist the sheer hotness emanating from his pores.
But soon, after being the second person in history to bed all 9 SNSD at the same time (Reach was first, according to a TL post), he has pretty much reached the pinnacle of manliness. Of course, with another OSL it was not like he was likely to run out of champagne money anytime soon.
As the girls got up and left, the boredom crept over him again. What can he do now? He laid back in his bed and turned on TV. HBO (or whatever they have in Korea) is showing Scarface.
"Oh man, that sugar movie again. Wonder why all these Americans are so obssessed about sugar. Or is it salt? Whatever." He muttered to himself.
"That's not sugar. Or salt." A tender voice replied. Flash looked around to see Seohyun who had stayed behind to fix him breakfast.
---
A few years later, a new wave of drug trade swept across the globe. It was a mysterious phenomenon. Interpol worked double shifts but couldn't work out who was behind it all, FBI and CIA were given permission to nuke the supply chain but they could no more locate any of it than WMDs in Iraq. Many of the top Brood War pros at the time retired but the scene continued on strong with a huge, untraceable but generous donation, allowing, for the first time, an OSL finals in SPACE.
Of course, if you read this wall of text you'd kinda guess Flash was behind it all. After getting into contact with the top dealers in Asia, he used his uncanny StarSense, his mighty cybernetic strength and the gentle, nurturing TLC from Seohyun to quickly take over the scene. Soon Jaedong and Bisu and Stork joined his enterprise and the greatest cartel the world has even known has been created.
And he was still unbeaten.
EDIT: Oh God did I just write all that... WTF did I just do.
I believe he still likes Nicole, would you write more about that? ^__^
On February 29 2012 11:13 Mobius_1 wrote: "G~~~G~~~!!!" The commentators screamed in unison. The crowd erupted. The deafening cacophony of celebration roared over the skies of Seoul.
For on this hot, summer night, Lee Young Ho aka Flash aka God has won his 4th OSL title. It was a glorious moment. Girls at the venue not hiding their faces but instead chanting his name and throwing him their panties. The guys screaming in epiphany but remaining sitting down for the last few games were just erotic. Keyboard makers around the world jumping in joy in anticipation of new sales in light of the millions destroyed by drooling Liquidians and Chinese fans watching history being made on stream.
But for God himself. It felt... Empty. Winning had become... Easy. His control was faultless, his macro was the very Oxford Dictionary definition of perfect, and his strategies didn't matter, for he could kill a 200/200 army going triple CC first defending the first 20 minutes only using SCVs.
This, he knew. Would be the end of the line.
That night, he went out with his KT comrades, hoping to shrug off that feeling of emptiness with alcohol and girls. (He's only part terminator, therefore still subject to worldly pleasures.) Walking into the bar in his progamermansweatdrenched uniform, he shed his reserved and cool demeanor, champagne flowing freely from his newly swollen bank account.
And as for the girls. Oh the girls. They surrounded him like bees to honey. They clung to him as other girls tried to fight to put a hand, nay, a finger, on his Godly self.
"Hmmm, no wonder Bisu spends so long doing his hair instead of practicing. This is pretty cool."
Heck, even Rekrul's girls got up and went over, unable to resist the sheer hotness emanating from his pores.
But soon, after being the second person in history to bed all 9 SNSD at the same time (Reach was first, according to a TL post), he has pretty much reached the pinnacle of manliness. Of course, with another OSL it was not like he was likely to run out of champagne money anytime soon.
As the girls got up and left, the boredom crept over him again. What can he do now? He laid back in his bed and turned on TV. HBO (or whatever they have in Korea) is showing Scarface.
"Oh man, that sugar movie again. Wonder why all these Americans are so obssessed about sugar. Or is it salt? Whatever." He muttered to himself.
"That's not sugar. Or salt." A tender voice replied. Flash looked around to see Seohyun who had stayed behind to fix him breakfast.
---
A few years later, a new wave of drug trade swept across the globe. It was a mysterious phenomenon. Interpol worked double shifts but couldn't work out who was behind it all, FBI and CIA were given permission to nuke the supply chain but they could no more locate any of it than WMDs in Iraq. Many of the top Brood War pros at the time retired but the scene continued on strong with a huge, untraceable but generous donation, allowing, for the first time, an OSL finals in SPACE.
Of course, if you read this wall of text you'd kinda guess Flash was behind it all. After getting into contact with the top dealers in Asia, he used his uncanny StarSense, his mighty cybernetic strength and the gentle, nurturing TLC from Seohyun to quickly take over the scene. Soon Jaedong and Bisu and Stork joined his enterprise and the greatest cartel the world has even known has been created.
And he was still unbeaten.
EDIT: Oh God did I just write all that... WTF did I just do.
I was loving it until the... twist at the end. Imo make an alternate ending about flash beginning to spiral into depression about the lack of a match in a broodwar player out there. It becomes his obsession to find a player that could be called better than him, but despite years of searching he still dominates the scene like it's nothing. Until an advancement in AI leads to an impossibly strong bw playing program that slaps flash with perfect micro, scouting, macro, and never before seen strategies (the AI uses the mouse and its vision is restricted to what's on the current screen just like humans). Now flash's life goal becomes beating this AI, just once. But try as he might, he can't get even close. He then becomes enlightened, knowing what it's like to be on both sides. At that moment he dies from exhaustion at his computer in the progaming house.
On February 29 2012 11:13 Mobius_1 wrote: "G~~~G~~~!!!" The commentators screamed in unison. The crowd erupted. The deafening cacophony of celebration roared over the skies of Seoul.
For on this hot, summer night, Lee Young Ho aka Flash aka God has won his 4th OSL title. It was a glorious moment. Girls at the venue not hiding their faces but instead chanting his name and throwing him their panties. The guys screaming in epiphany but remaining sitting down for the last few games were just erotic. Keyboard makers around the world jumping in joy in anticipation of new sales in light of the millions destroyed by drooling Liquidians and Chinese fans watching history being made on stream.
But for God himself. It felt... Empty. Winning had become... Easy. His control was faultless, his macro was the very Oxford Dictionary definition of perfect, and his strategies didn't matter, for he could kill a 200/200 army going triple CC first defending the first 20 minutes only using SCVs.
This, he knew. Would be the end of the line.
That night, he went out with his KT comrades, hoping to shrug off that feeling of emptiness with alcohol and girls. (He's only part terminator, therefore still subject to worldly pleasures.) Walking into the bar in his progamermansweatdrenched uniform, he shed his reserved and cool demeanor, champagne flowing freely from his newly swollen bank account.
And as for the girls. Oh the girls. They surrounded him like bees to honey. They clung to him as other girls tried to fight to put a hand, nay, a finger, on his Godly self.
"Hmmm, no wonder Bisu spends so long doing his hair instead of practicing. This is pretty cool."
Heck, even Rekrul's girls got up and went over, unable to resist the sheer hotness emanating from his pores.
But soon, after being the second person in history to bed all 9 SNSD at the same time (Reach was first, according to a TL post), he has pretty much reached the pinnacle of manliness. Of course, with another OSL it was not like he was likely to run out of champagne money anytime soon.
As the girls got up and left, the boredom crept over him again. What can he do now? He laid back in his bed and turned on TV. HBO (or whatever they have in Korea) is showing Scarface.
"Oh man, that sugar movie again. Wonder why all these Americans are so obssessed about sugar. Or is it salt? Whatever." He muttered to himself.
"That's not sugar. Or salt." A tender voice replied. Flash looked around to see Seohyun who had stayed behind to fix him breakfast.
---
A few years later, a new wave of drug trade swept across the globe. It was a mysterious phenomenon. Interpol worked double shifts but couldn't work out who was behind it all, FBI and CIA were given permission to nuke the supply chain but they could no more locate any of it than WMDs in Iraq. Many of the top Brood War pros at the time retired but the scene continued on strong with a huge, untraceable but generous donation, allowing, for the first time, an OSL finals in SPACE.
Of course, if you read this wall of text you'd kinda guess Flash was behind it all. After getting into contact with the top dealers in Asia, he used his uncanny StarSense, his mighty cybernetic strength and the gentle, nurturing TLC from Seohyun to quickly take over the scene. Soon Jaedong and Bisu and Stork joined his enterprise and the greatest cartel the world has even known has been created.
And he was still unbeaten.
EDIT: Oh God did I just write all that... WTF did I just do.
I was loving it until the... twist at the end. Imo make an alternate ending about flash beginning to spiral into depression about the lack of a match in a broodwar player out there. It becomes his obsession to find a player that could be called better than him, but despite years of searching he still dominates the scene like it's nothing. Until an advancement in AI leads to an impossibly strong bw playing program that slaps flash with perfect micro, scouting, macro, and never before seen strategies (the AI uses the mouse and its vision is restricted to what's on the current screen just like humans). Now flash's life goal becomes beating this AI, just once. But try as he might, he can't get even close. He then becomes enlightened, knowing what it's like to be on both sides. At that moment he dies from exhaustion at his computer in the progaming house.
On February 28 2012 11:06 Starburst wrote: In my opinion, it's not that FlaSh is unstoppable, but more so that EVERYONE (except Fanta ofc) is slumping. And the only other people who could possible beat him are on his team (again except Fanta). So, I'm gonna have to say Fantasy because he's the only person NOT slumping atm.
that's definitely an excuse to make flash look worse than he is....lol
Lol. That's cute. You mistake me for someone who doesn't realize how good of a player he is.
I think it will be in a TvT, probably Leta. He'll go for two starports in some sneaky way, flash will scout it once they're getting closer, but then the wraiths will arrive at the SCV's and taking them out and announcers will be yelling like crazy, then Flash will try to react as fast as possible and get rid of them, and he'll make great use of his few units he has to kill these wraiths, and slowly more and more workers will die, and I'll be feeling all depressed and announcers will be yelling, and things will keep looking worse, and then then I'll hear the most sad chat alert sound ever and see gg, then the announcers will start yelling like crazy more, and ill open up chat on the stream and it'll be like "oOMGOGM FLASH. OMGGMGOMG" and then I'll turn off the stream, and then I'll come back here and quote this post and be like "ya"
On February 28 2012 11:06 Starburst wrote: In my opinion, it's not that FlaSh is unstoppable, but more so that EVERYONE (except Fanta ofc) is slumping. And the only other people who could possible beat him are on his team (again except Fanta). So, I'm gonna have to say Fantasy because he's the only person NOT slumping atm.
that's definitely an excuse to make flash look worse than he is....lol
Lol. That's cute. You mistake me for someone who doesn't realize how good of a player he is.
well if that skt1 tag is of any indication.
(i kid, i kid)
I definitely agree with you regarding your analysis though, but then again there were a few people who put up a good fight who got rolled over anyway (soulkey T_T)
On February 28 2012 11:06 Starburst wrote: In my opinion, it's not that FlaSh is unstoppable, but more so that EVERYONE (except Fanta ofc) is slumping. And the only other people who could possible beat him are on his team (again except Fanta). So, I'm gonna have to say Fantasy because he's the only person NOT slumping atm.
that's definitely an excuse to make flash look worse than he is....lol
Lol. That's cute. You mistake me for someone who doesn't realize how good of a player he is.
On February 29 2012 14:30 CakeOrI)eath wrote: No one will ever beat Flash at BW on tv again. He will go completely undefeated for the next 9 months that Proleague stays alive =(
OGN will create a new gameshow called "Who will beat Lee Young Ho?" The show will go on for ten years until Flash is need of a much need shoulder replacement surgery. His shoulder will prevent him from proper playing, and on the final episode, Yellow will come back and win the grandest of titles: the "I Beat Lee Young Ho" Starleague Gold.
On February 29 2012 14:30 CakeOrI)eath wrote: No one will ever beat Flash at BW on tv again. He will go completely undefeated for the next 9 months that Proleague stays alive =(
OGN will create a new gameshow called "Who will beat Lee Young Ho?" The show will go on for ten years until Flash is need of a much need shoulder replacement surgery. His shoulder will prevent him from proper playing, and on the final episode, Yellow will come back and win the grandest of titles: the "I Beat Lee Young Ho" Starleague Gold.
On February 29 2012 11:02 iSometric wrote: Actually, I think a toss will take him out, with maybe some proxy robo or something. Hard to beat him straight up, even as Zerg or Terran.
I'm picturing a game where the toss proxies a robo and is subsequently bunker rushed at said proxy robo.
On February 28 2012 11:06 Starburst wrote: In my opinion, it's not that FlaSh is unstoppable, but more so that EVERYONE (except Fanta ofc) is slumping. And the only other people who could possible beat him are on his team (again except Fanta). So, I'm gonna have to say Fantasy because he's the only person NOT slumping atm.
that's definitely an excuse to make flash look worse than he is....lol
Lol. That's cute. You mistake me for someone who doesn't realize how good of a player he is.
well if that skt1 tag is of any indication.
(i kid, i kid)
I definitely agree with you regarding your analysis though, but then again there were a few people who put up a good fight who got rolled over anyway (soulkey T_T)
Overall, though, soulkey's doing well. He's prolly the only zerg capable of beating FlaSh until JD decides to man up and take him down (unless hydra or zero suddenly become ZvT masters). All the masters of the other races are no where near as good as they were even early last year imo. Even Best, who was a PvT aficionado remember, can hardly muscle up a win versus Light. Storks only losses are to Flash and fanta, so he might still have a shot at the title "He Who Dethroned God" (not literally, but you know what I mean :p). There's aren't any other Tosses that could do it atm.
TL;DR: Fanta, Stork, and SK are the only people in their respective races that might be able to beat Flash atm.
On February 29 2012 14:30 CakeOrI)eath wrote: No one will ever beat Flash at BW on tv again. He will go completely undefeated for the next 9 months that BW stays alive =(
hoping for FBH like i hope for FBH in all avenues of life but im realistically going to say Soulkey, only because SK is the only player who has recently approached truly Perfect Play other than Flash (but only in some of his games)
Honestly Flash's level of dominance is so much more than the aura Savior or any of the other Bonjwas had about them (except maybe oov in his debut run of invincibility). With Savior and the others, it was a matter of them always coming out on top in a set. Midas might take a game or two off the Maestro, but he'd still be making the MSL finals over and over and over again. Bisu might steal a game with his shit-hot play, but everyone expected Savior to take games 2-4.
When Flash loses a single game, it's an absolute shock. That is something I have never seen before in a game (SC or otherwise) and honestly do not expect to see again. The closest I can get is Roger Federer when he was on top of the world, and even then everyone knew Rafa Nadal could beat him on clay.
Sooner or later a team will be smart enough to figure out that a well-executed cheese or all-in would a better bet for beating Flash rather than a straight up game, what do they have to lose? Flash even bunker rushed Best just to avoid a straight up game recently and it worked great. Jangbi and Fantasy are the best bet, Stats too since he has so much info on him.
On February 29 2012 18:47 bubblegumbo wrote: Sooner or later a team will be smart enough to figure out that a well-executed cheese or all-in would a better bet for beating Flash rather than a straight up game, what do they have to lose? Flash even bunker rushed Best just to avoid a straight up game recently and it worked great. Jangbi and Fantasy are the best bet, Stats too since he has so much info on him.
Flash has the best starsense out of any player ever, cheesing out flash is just as hard as beating flash in a straight up game, if not harder. I know a cheese will not take down flash unless he gets caught doing 14cc.
On February 29 2012 18:47 bubblegumbo wrote: Sooner or later a team will be smart enough to figure out that a well-executed cheese or all-in would a better bet for beating Flash rather than a straight up game, what do they have to lose? Flash even bunker rushed Best just to avoid a straight up game recently and it worked great. Jangbi and Fantasy are the best bet, Stats too since he has so much info on him.
Flash has the best starsense out of any player ever, cheesing out flash is just as hard as beating flash in a straight up game, if not harder. I know a cheese will not take down flash unless he gets caught doing 14cc.
I disagree. The person fighting flash knows that they can't win in a long game. They'd have to finish it before it got to mid-game. In order for that to happen, an enormous cheese (like the 2-fact vulture all-in Fantasy did a while back on match point) would be required. And though Flash has godsense, he might miss one. I mean, dammit, everything Flash has done so far never should have happened; you can't just GUESS everything 100%!!!
So in other words, probability of success in long game: none. Probability of success in massive cheese: low. Low > None.
On February 29 2012 18:47 bubblegumbo wrote: Sooner or later a team will be smart enough to figure out that a well-executed cheese or all-in would a better bet for beating Flash rather than a straight up game, what do they have to lose? Flash even bunker rushed Best just to avoid a straight up game recently and it worked great. Jangbi and Fantasy are the best bet, Stats too since he has so much info on him.
Flash has the best starsense out of any player ever, cheesing out flash is just as hard as beating flash in a straight up game, if not harder. I know a cheese will not take down flash unless he gets caught doing 14cc.
Effort and Stork have a very decent record against Flash in mindgames. And both of Stork's wins since the start of the 09/10 season were against Rax CC.
On February 29 2012 14:19 Befree wrote: I think it will be in a TvT, probably Leta. He'll go for two starports in some sneaky way, flash will scout it once they're getting closer, but then the wraiths will arrive at the SCV's and taking them out and announcers will be yelling like crazy, then Flash will try to react as fast as possible and get rid of them, and he'll make great use of his few units he has to kill these wraiths, and slowly more and more workers will die, and I'll be feeling all depressed and announcers will be yelling, and things will keep looking worse, and then then I'll hear the most sad chat alert sound ever and see gg, then the announcers will start yelling like crazy more, and ill open up chat on the stream and it'll be like "oOMGOGM FLASH. OMGGMGOMG" and then I'll turn off the stream, and then I'll come back here and quote this post and be like "ya"
That or Leta just makes goliaths while Flash tries to beat Leta down at his own game with mass wraiths like what happened last time...
On February 29 2012 18:47 bubblegumbo wrote: Sooner or later a team will be smart enough to figure out that a well-executed cheese or all-in would a better bet for beating Flash rather than a straight up game, what do they have to lose? Flash even bunker rushed Best just to avoid a straight up game recently and it worked great. Jangbi and Fantasy are the best bet, Stats too since he has so much info on him.
Flash has the best starsense out of any player ever, cheesing out flash is just as hard as beating flash in a straight up game, if not harder. I know a cheese will not take down flash unless he gets caught doing 14cc.
Effort and Stork have a very decent record against Flash in mindgames. And both of Stork's wins since the start of the 09/10 season were against Rax CC.
The problem is a lot of people have ok/decent records against Flash...from back then. The issue is Flash is the fastest and most absolute learner we've seen, EVER. When he says stuff like "I was overconfident, I won't make that mistake again", he MEANS it. Since when during the last few years has he really lost to the same stuff twice?
On February 29 2012 11:02 iSometric wrote: Actually, I think a toss will take him out, with maybe some proxy robo or something. Hard to beat him straight up, even as Zerg or Terran.
I'm picturing a game where the toss proxies a robo and is subsequently bunker rushed at said proxy robo.
While simultaneously pushing into the natural with five more bunkers successively placed closer and closer from the center of the map to the natural chokepoint. Just in case.
I believe that soon the entire korean starcraft scene will form a pact of alliance against KT rolster and a global plan to take down flash in one game, the first person who is able to do it will get .... one BILLION dollars
It's pretty hard for flash vs toss sometimes, he's lost games by playing too safe before whilst the toss goes ridiculously greedy. He scouted a third and the scan showed no sign of reavers. Guess he'll build the turret next time just to be safe
edit: also flash knew dear's opening and from that doubted speed reavers, on top of that he would've seen the obs blur and knew dear had seen the eng bay and incoming turret/s making speed reaver even more unlikely.
Lol people being happy cause Flash lost 1 game, is just... a loss. It happens to everyone. Sure, Flash is really good and we call it God but he has to lose once. I can't understand why people are so happy o_o
On February 29 2012 20:49 Scarecrow wrote: It's pretty hard for flash vs toss sometimes, he's lost games by playing too safe before whilst the toss goes ridiculously greedy. He scouted a third and the scan showed no sign of reavers. Guess he'll build the turret next time just to be safe
Nah, he will remain on his style. He lost a final to Effort for being greedy and having no early defenses vs Effort early aggresion. The next week he 14cc'd JD every game on the other final.
Exactly, not much of an investment to claim the underdog will win and say that you're joking when he doesn't or remind everyone that you called it when he does.
I dotn get what Kahnemann/Tversky has to do with this. Y if u prediction is wrong u normally dont feel nice about it and state in a chat that u predicted sth wrong or do u ? He didnt try to rationalize his prediction he just guessed and he was right.
Flash in his latest interview said TvT is his hardest matchup. He said TvZ and TvP is much easier than TvT. I am guessing a P or Z new comer in your theory, and had high hopes on Dear, but he got manhandled. Sux that Wooki is on KT... lol
I BELIEVE IM THE ONLY ONE WHO MENTIONED DEAR!!! page 20 although I didn't state that he will win because I thought STX did not have a game vs KT til next season.. but I think its the only post where he is mentioned as contender... do I get a semi bragging right?
Do we need spoiler tags? I can't imagine someone coming to page 25 of the "Who will beat Flash?" thread right after KT's match and expecting it to be spoiler free.
I kinda hurts esp. since Flash basically chose to reveal his SCV to mess with Dear, AND he cancelled his turret because Dear was too slow hahahha. But I give Dear credit for not sitting on an 'advantage' and knowing what he had to do to win the game after the successful harass.
The thread can't be closed......... UNTIL........ + Show Spoiler +
Someone photoshops a story with Flash driving on a country-side road at night, then heading toward the light with it entitled "God" or "Immortality" then obviously he runs over a deer... with Dear's face photoshopped over the face. Then a FFFUUU Flash face? 10/10 must have!
As good as Flash is, he's not as perfect as some people make him out to be, meaning that he is still capable of making mistakes. I think that his latest game vs. Dear is an example of that. Flash tried cutting corners to gain an edge early on but misread his opponent and cut a few too many corners. Of course, after this game Flash will go on another win streak because he's definitely learned from this mistake, and will be conscious about making more mistakes.
On March 01 2012 04:41 blahman3344 wrote: As good as Flash is, he's not as perfect as some people make him out to be, meaning that he is still capable of making mistakes. I think that his latest game vs. Dear is an example of that. Flash tried cutting corners to gain an edge early on but misread his opponent and cut a few too many corners. Of course, after this game Flash will go on another win streak because he's definitely learned from this mistake, and will be conscious about making more mistakes.
He didn't misread, he read what he saw perfectly fine... the problem is he didn't see everything
I voted for fantasy. Id be awsome to see jeadong vs flash and flash just mops the floor with him like a total scrub and jaedong crys cuz he isnt as good anymore. I hope its some random zerg though, I think that would be the most amusing
On March 01 2012 04:41 blahman3344 wrote: As good as Flash is, he's not as perfect as some people make him out to be, meaning that he is still capable of making mistakes. I think that his latest game vs. Dear is an example of that. Flash tried cutting corners to gain an edge early on but misread his opponent and cut a few too many corners. Of course, after this game Flash will go on another win streak because he's definitely learned from this mistake, and will be conscious about making more mistakes.
He didn't misread, he read what he saw perfectly fine... the problem is he didn't see everything
D: are you seriously arguing this? He made the scans and didn't see a support bay. If he assumed that there is one hidden somewhere that would have been a perfect read. Since he assumed that there isn't one and acted on this assumption I think it is fair to say that he misread what he saw.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
haha.. wow.. just wow.. my heart was pounding.. can't believe it.. nice play by dear though.. dat flash reaction.. what a moment that must have been for everyone.. gg.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Called it!
What? No you didn't.
Well, I said it's be someone he shouldn't have lost to, and that's good enough for me to count it
Admittedly, there's no one Flash should lose to, but certainly not Dear.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Called it!
Every player is someone Flash "shouldn't" lose to.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Called it!
Every player is someone Flash "shouldn't" lose to.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Called it!
Every player is someone Flash "shouldn't" lose to.
You guys remember Flash's TvZ tear back in late 09? It was Hyun who stopped him. Flash just can't maintain streaks against people without starleague medals.
On March 01 2012 08:28 Acritter wrote: Proof that even if you are a Battlecruiser among Marines, you can still get taken out by arrogance.
Analogy doesn't come close to giving Flash his dues.
It's like racing a TopFuelDragster next to a wooden crate. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
That game was awfully similar to Jangbi vs Flash g3.
Nah, because you can potentially kill a Battlecruiser with a Marine. It just requires the Battlecruiser to spin around in circles being overmicro'd while the Marine takes potshots. The wooden crate, on the other hand, is just gonna sit there.
Dear didn't beat Flash. Flash just wanted to officially lose a not-so-important game to before the playoffs. You know, give the mortals some hope that they may reach him.
But when the games actually matter, Flash will stop messing around and show other players just how puny they really are.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Called it!
I can do that too: Flash will lose to either a Zerg, a Terran or a Protoss. Called it.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Called it!
I can do that too: Flash will lose to either a Zerg, a Terran or a Protoss. Called it.
You can't really get a closer guess to Dear than Shuttle...
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Called it!
I can do that too: Flash will lose to either a Zerg, a Terran or a Protoss. Called it.
You can't really get a closer guess to Dear than Shuttle...
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Called it!
I wouldn't be bragging about this prediction if I were you—you got it totally wrong. Dear is known as a PvT specialist who has won all of his PvT matches this season except for his first match against Flash, and he won by clever play based on exploiting Flash's tendencies, not by getting a lucky break. Also, Dear is not Shuttle and "i.e." is not "e.g.".
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Called it!
I wouldn't be bragging about this prediction if I were you—you got it totally wrong. Dear is known as a PvT specialist who has won all of his PvT matches this season except for his first match against Flash, and he won by clever play based on exploiting Flash's tendencies, not by getting a lucky break. Also, Dear is not Shuttle and "i.e." is not "e.g.".
I am not sure if I agree. That he has beaten Sea (who has been slumping hard all season) and Light (who is terrible at TvP) hardly demonstrates that he is a PvT specialist.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Ribbon wrote:Otherwise, sooner or later he'll lose a game, and I'm betting it'll be to someone he "shouldn't" lose to (i.e., Shuttle) getting a lucky break.
Called it!
I wouldn't be bragging about this prediction if I were you—you got it totally wrong. Dear is known as a PvT specialist who has won all of his PvT matches this season except for his first match against Flash, and he won by clever play based on exploiting Flash's tendencies, not by getting a lucky break. Also, Dear is not Shuttle and "i.e." is not "e.g.".
I am not sure if I agree. That he has beaten Sea (who has been slumping hard all season) and Light (who is terrible at TvP) hardly demonstrates that he is a PvT specialist.
Point taken, but going 5-0, even against mediocre opposition, has something to say as well. For instance, suppose we estimate the odds of the average player beating LighT in a PvT at 80%, (going by his last ten games in that matchup instead of his lifetime stats, which are not as bad), and beating Sea in a PvT at 70% ("")—the odds of beating each twice without dropping a game would still be just a shade over 30%. Throw in firebathero, and count him as a 58% chance of victory (going by his lifetime TvP this time; his recent record is actually decent) and the odds of winning all of your matches dip below 20%. You can take his loss against Flash into account, but then in all fairness you should count the second game against Flash as well.
I'm not a statistician and I'm not saying that the above is a conclusive statistical argument or anything of the sort, but I do think that there are reasonable grounds for calling Dear a PvT specialist. Also, people have said it before me, fwiw.
It's a little too soon to call Dear a vT specialist. He's doing great, sure, and especially great vs Terran...but we can't call him a specialist until he's
a) got more games played b) beats more non-terrible vP players
he's hardly a specialist. Preferred matchup, sure, but he's not like...auto-win vs T just yet, in my eyes. Shuttle was a PvP specialist back when he had 80% PvP winrate. Dear isn't quite there yet :p
On March 01 2012 13:04 baubo wrote: Dear didn't beat Flash. Flash just wanted to officially lose a not-so-important game to before the playoffs. You know, give the mortals some hope that they may reach him.
But when the games actually matter, Flash will stop messing around and show other players just how puny they really are.
Flash wanted to get stopped on his way to tying and potentially beating the record for longest winning streak in proleague and in general simultaneously? Kind of unfair that so many people are robbing dear of his win by saying flash threw the game. Some people are joking and it was funny the first few times but now people are actually seriously suggesting that dear didn't play well when in fact he did.
On March 01 2012 13:04 baubo wrote: Dear didn't beat Flash. Flash just wanted to officially lose a not-so-important game to before the playoffs. You know, give the mortals some hope that they may reach him.
But when the games actually matter, Flash will stop messing around and show other players just how puny they really are.
Flash wanted to get stopped on his way to tying and potentially beating the record for longest winning streak in proleague and in general simultaneously? Kind of unfair that so many people are robbing dear of his win by saying flash threw the game. Some people are joking and it was funny the first few times but now people are actually seriously suggesting that dear didn't play well when in fact he did.
Nobody is serious about throwing games. Just because you read a joke over and over again, doesn't mean its more serious. just seems less funny because of how worn out it's gotten to you.
On March 01 2012 13:04 baubo wrote: Dear didn't beat Flash. Flash just wanted to officially lose a not-so-important game to before the playoffs. You know, give the mortals some hope that they may reach him.
But when the games actually matter, Flash will stop messing around and show other players just how puny they really are.
Flash wanted to get stopped on his way to tying and potentially beating the record for longest winning streak in proleague and in general simultaneously? Kind of unfair that so many people are robbing dear of his win by saying flash threw the game. Some people are joking and it was funny the first few times but now people are actually seriously suggesting that dear didn't play well when in fact he did.
Nobody is serious about throwing games. Just because you read a joke over and over again, doesn't mean its more serious. just seems less funny because of how worn out it's gotten to you.
Ehh the problem is some people honestly aren't joking. (Not necessarily saying that guy is.)
Whatever, Flash didn't play perfect one game, Dear had a great strat and executed it very well. Flash is still the best player in the game. yayyyyyyyyyyyyy bw
Flash tendencies cost him the game, and Dear read and outthought Flash all the way. Dear knew where the scans were going and how Flash would react on certain scenarios. He "faked" a fast third, in a sense that he made Flash think that was all that is happening, while setting his speed shuttle reaver drop, which Flash had no idea of. Flash promptly commited to the vulture harass on third, and BOOM, BOOM, BOOM for scvs.
What is worth noting is how Flash reacted. He held on until the last tank and the last group of scvs expoded. He could have held it off too. He had 2 tanks coming and still a decent econ, he just needs to hold the high ground with seige tanks and slowly make his way back.
On March 02 2012 10:04 [V] wrote: Flash tendencies cost him the game, and Dear read and outthought Flash all the way. Dear knew where the scans were going and how Flash would react on certain scenarios. He "faked" a fast third, in a sense that he made Flash think that was all that is happening, while setting his speed shuttle reaver drop, which Flash had no idea of. Flash promptly commited to the vulture harass on third, and BOOM, BOOM, BOOM for scvs.
What is worth noting is how Flash reacted. He held on until the last tank and the last group of scvs expoded. He could have held it off too. He had 2 tanks coming and still a decent econ, he just needs to hold the high ground with seige tanks and slowly make his way back.
Well, even when a deity have trouble recovering the mental fortitude when getting caught with his pants down like that.
It's a testament to Flash's level of domination that a thread dedicated to him losing is 30 pages long. I think that despite Jaedong's sub par play as of late, he has the best chance of being the next person to beat Flash given their lifetime head-to-head record and their head-to-head record last year. Fantasy is only 6-13 against Flash (5-13 in standard games).
On March 02 2012 11:19 reincremate wrote: It's a testament to Flash's level of domination that a thread dedicated to him losing is 30 pages long. I think that despite Jaedong's sub par play as of late, he has the best chance of being the next person to beat Flash given their lifetime head-to-head record and their head-to-head record last year. Fantasy is only 6-13 against Flash (5-13 in standard games).
A record is just that, a record. History, and does not directly impact games.
Skyhigh was 7-0 against fantasy, but this season, fantasy crush skyhigh.
Jaedong is not likely to be the next person to beat flash. It will be: + Show Spoiler +
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), but at the moment it seems like he could go on winning forever with the way he's playing. I think it'll be some random player who beats him in the end though, like Roro or Movie or someone like that. 
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