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On February 23 2012 00:05 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 23:53 supernovamaniac wrote:
Love how many people in this thread are considering LoL as some crappy MOBA game that will fail because it's easy as SC2.
In reality, it has a huge fanbase in Korea at the moment; even the regular LoL league has been scheduled to air during the regular timeslots of OSL. I don't see many people stating that LoL is going to fail around here  Contrarily I do not find much vehemence here and is not surprised about it. As long as the game isn't completely terrible (and obviously some would disagree with me here), it is nice to see some familiar faces that cannot maintain their hold on BW scene for various reasons at least sticking to Korean e-sports, albeit in bit different context. There are concerns that OGN announcement of new LoL tournament is death toll for OSL, but if such rumours turn out to be true that's because of failure of OnGameNet, unlike SC2 that fully intends to usurp its predecessor and those who play it (especially considering the fact that MOBA and RTS are different genes and likely to appeal to different subset of players/viewers). Completely unnecessary and inflammatory post unless you can produce proof that "many" people here are indeed bashing LoL, because seriously I see your writing only encouraging people to bash the game.
People say that MOBA and RTS are different genres, yet we see people always discussing between two genres because of SC2 and LoL in foreign scenes. Why? Because so many so-called SC2 fans are afraid that they're being outnumbered, and they know they're being outnumbered by far. Some BW fans just group these two games together and call them an easy game that YellOw is getting "easy" money/fame off from, which pisses me off.
Also, you can't blame OGN for putting LoL in prime-time slot if THERE IS NO ADVANCEMENT IN GETTING OSL SPONSORS at this moment. There was a reason for OGN to use up the slot for something else, and they use it on LoL instead of CS:O, Kartrider 15th league etc. Sure, call OGN a failure for not being able to secure OSL in that timeslot. Because I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to run the league without any sponsors, especially during the decline of BW in Korea.
EDIT: Did you write a whole paragraph just to say 'you're wrong' in the best way possible? Thanks!
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Knew he was into the LoL scene and playing it but coaching for it? o:
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On February 22 2012 19:35 Eishi_Ki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 18:08 zergtossy wrote:This is sad  First fruit dealer playing LoL, now yellow coaching a LoL team... Look if you cant macro and control whole armies maybe this is the way to go. LoL is for the people who fail out of SC2 and are looking for an easy way back into e-sports. Could say the same about SC2 being for people who fail out of BW and are looking for an easy way back into e-sports. God damn hipsters Best of luck Yellow
Do you watch Community =)
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People watch LoL streams for the same reason people watch SC2 streams; to learn from watching the game from the pros POV, and for possible commentary and insight to gameplay. The daily pro streams have over 35-40k people watching all day long. Streamers like hotshotgg and saintvicious get 10k+ viewers right from the moment they start streaming--CLG is sponsoring 2 LoL teams (their original NA team and recently a EU team) and 1 DotA2 team, as far as I know they only have like 3 major sponsors (razer, own3d, xxxxx---they did get razer team of the year recently as well beating TL and other razer teams for it) which means most of these money is coming from their streaming revenue on the shared own3d account; look at the numbers when they all stream--CLG.na CLG.eu CLG.dota2---over 50k viewers all day every day, that is pick viewers for many of the SC2 tournaments.
There is 1.5million people playing LoL at any given moment(NA only), while sc2 battle.net says a number well bellow that(visible when you login SC2) hence a bigger fanbase to sell things to. Riot is able to tap into their advertising money for tournaments--the company went from being founded to being bought for 400mil with people spending well over 60$ mark on the game (people will continue doing so). Riot is at least 2 years away from reaching the DotA number of heroes at the current 1 hero biweekly release schedule, so they have well over 2years where they can continue releasing heroes and making people pay for new heroes/skins.
As for tournaments; look at DH/IEM/MLG numbers LoL has always been more than 1/2 the viewers for those tournaments (for MLG/DH LoL had more viewers than all their other games combined), a recently un-advertised european time had 100k viewers mid day US (kings of europe).
g2g so I ll stop this here^^
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tell me, so who is Yellows exactly ?
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On February 23 2012 02:22 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 00:05 Hesmyrr wrote:On February 22 2012 23:53 supernovamaniac wrote:
Love how many people in this thread are considering LoL as some crappy MOBA game that will fail because it's easy as SC2.
In reality, it has a huge fanbase in Korea at the moment; even the regular LoL league has been scheduled to air during the regular timeslots of OSL. I don't see many people stating that LoL is going to fail around here Contrarily I do not find much vehemence here and is not surprised about it. As long as the game isn't completely terrible (and obviously some would disagree with me here), it is nice to see some familiar faces that cannot maintain their hold on BW scene for various reasons at least sticking to Korean e-sports, albeit in bit different context. There are concerns that OGN announcement of new LoL tournament is death toll for OSL, but if such rumours turn out to be true that's because of failure of OnGameNet, unlike SC2 that fully intends to usurp its predecessor and those who play it (especially considering the fact that MOBA and RTS are different genes and likely to appeal to different subset of players/viewers). Completely unnecessary and inflammatory post unless you can produce proof that "many" people here are indeed bashing LoL, because seriously I see your writing only encouraging people to bash the game. People say that MOBA and RTS are different genres, yet we see people always discussing between two genres because of SC2 and LoL in foreign scenes. Why? Because so many so-called SC2 fans are afraid that they're being outnumbered, and they know they're being outnumbered by far. Some BW fans just group these two games together and call them an easy game that YellOw is getting "easy" money/fame off from, which pisses me off. Also, you can't blame OGN for putting LoL in prime-time slot if THERE IS NO ADVANCEMENT IN GETTING OSL SPONSORS at this moment. There was a reason for OGN to use up the slot for something else, and they use it on LoL instead of CS:O, Kartrider 15th league etc. Sure, call OGN a failure for not being able to secure OSL in that timeslot. Because I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to run the league without any sponsors, especially during the decline of BW in Korea. EDIT: Did you write a whole paragraph just to say 'you're wrong' in the best way possible? Thanks!
I don't really understand your first two sentences and will only respond to the last sentence, so please understand if I get some part of my response wrong >.>
While I can now see how "easy" part can be interpreted as you think, I still think your response was unnecessarily mean (and not clear cut as you believe). Considering the info that Yellow have little experience on LoL and that he apparently have poker addiction, I think it is perfectly acceptable to assume that his appointment was somewhat of a publicity stunt. At least not many people downright stated LoL will fail as you suggest, and even then you cannot claim that this bias is because of our BW elitism or that stupid stereotype of DotA being better than LoL somehow.
I accept your second paragraph since my intent there was to clarify the point that LoL is by no way responsible for whatever weakening of BW scene that is currently undergoing, since I thought sentence "even the regular LoL league has been scheduled to air during the regular timeslots of OSL" was likely to prod hardcore BW supporters into angry outburst and I would not appreciate that happening =/
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On February 23 2012 02:45 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 02:22 supernovamaniac wrote:On February 23 2012 00:05 Hesmyrr wrote:On February 22 2012 23:53 supernovamaniac wrote:
Love how many people in this thread are considering LoL as some crappy MOBA game that will fail because it's easy as SC2.
In reality, it has a huge fanbase in Korea at the moment; even the regular LoL league has been scheduled to air during the regular timeslots of OSL. I don't see many people stating that LoL is going to fail around here Contrarily I do not find much vehemence here and is not surprised about it. As long as the game isn't completely terrible (and obviously some would disagree with me here), it is nice to see some familiar faces that cannot maintain their hold on BW scene for various reasons at least sticking to Korean e-sports, albeit in bit different context. There are concerns that OGN announcement of new LoL tournament is death toll for OSL, but if such rumours turn out to be true that's because of failure of OnGameNet, unlike SC2 that fully intends to usurp its predecessor and those who play it (especially considering the fact that MOBA and RTS are different genes and likely to appeal to different subset of players/viewers). Completely unnecessary and inflammatory post unless you can produce proof that "many" people here are indeed bashing LoL, because seriously I see your writing only encouraging people to bash the game. People say that MOBA and RTS are different genres, yet we see people always discussing between two genres because of SC2 and LoL in foreign scenes. Why? Because so many so-called SC2 fans are afraid that they're being outnumbered, and they know they're being outnumbered by far. Some BW fans just group these two games together and call them an easy game that YellOw is getting "easy" money/fame off from, which pisses me off. Also, you can't blame OGN for putting LoL in prime-time slot if THERE IS NO ADVANCEMENT IN GETTING OSL SPONSORS at this moment. There was a reason for OGN to use up the slot for something else, and they use it on LoL instead of CS:O, Kartrider 15th league etc. Sure, call OGN a failure for not being able to secure OSL in that timeslot. Because I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to run the league without any sponsors, especially during the decline of BW in Korea. EDIT: Did you write a whole paragraph just to say 'you're wrong' in the best way possible? Thanks! I accept your second paragraph since my intent there was to clarify the point that LoL is by no way responsible for whatever weakening of BW scene that is currently undergoing, since I thought sentence "even the regular LoL league has been scheduled to air during the regular timeslots of OSL" was likely to prod hardcore BW supporters into angry outburst and I would not appreciate that happening =/
Yet people don't realize that it's the other factors that have been killing BW (SUP SAVIOR) that lead into this situation, not because of emergence of some other games like SC2/LoL. I've seen some people getting mad that OSL hasn't been happening and LoL took over the spot, but fact it. ATM I'll be happy if we have another OSL this year, and that's likely at the moment. Any OSLs after that? I'm not too sure about.
offtopic: I'm pretty sure many people missed this, but MBCGame producer stated (kinda hidden, had to find the picture myself some time ago) that the major reason why MBCGame shut down was not because of money issues, but because of 'major incidents' that happened in the scene.
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Kinda a bummer I hoped he'd try code a qualifiers again or maybe even become a caster for GOM (or even better for ongamenet), atleast he stays in esports though, just can't understand why this lol crap is getting so popular in korea, bw is like the hardest game ever and now they fall in love with one of the easiest competitive games? I really wonder how bw would look today in korea if the savior shit wouldn't have happened/gotten public, and I'm fairly sure things would also look better for sc2 as the games are connected afterall.
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Savior is utter SOB. Never understood why people supported him during Afreeca debacle with what he has done.
No matter what motivated Yellow to join in as coach, I hope his team does well on upcoming Champions tournament!
Also this news seriously need independent SC2 thread.
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Why is Yellow such a big deal? Has he done anything of notable mention?
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On February 23 2012 03:20 Woorior wrote:
Why is Yellow such a big deal? Has he done anything of notable mention?
Yea, he got to second round of GSL Code A Qualifiers
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On February 23 2012 03:22 beanos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:20 Woorior wrote:
Why is Yellow such a big deal? Has he done anything of notable mention? Yea, he got to second round of GSL Code A Qualifiers
GSL? Is that a LoL thing?
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It isn't only Savior. I was under the impression that the whole IP rights dispute created a toxic environment for sponsors. Even if the viewership is there they might not want to piss off Blizzard.
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they better main the zergling (chogath) =D
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So...much...ignorant...posting....ahhhhhhhhh
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On February 23 2012 03:32 1Eris1 wrote:
So...much...ignorant...posting....ahhhhhhhhh
yea... cant distinguish if they were made on purpose or the poster is just ignorant...
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On February 23 2012 03:40 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:32 1Eris1 wrote:
So...much...ignorant...posting....ahhhhhhhhh yea... cant distinguish if they were made on purpose or the poster is just ignorant...
this.. cant be serious.. it cant be ...
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On February 23 2012 02:27 elementz wrote:
People watch LoL streams for the same reason people watch SC2 streams; to learn from watching the game from the pros POV, and for possible commentary and insight to gameplay. The daily pro streams have over 35-40k people watching all day long. Streamers like hotshotgg and saintvicious get 10k+ viewers right from the moment they start streaming--CLG is sponsoring 2 LoL teams (their original NA team and recently a EU team) and 1 DotA2 team, as far as I know they only have like 3 major sponsors (razer, own3d, xxxxx---they did get razer team of the year recently as well beating TL and other razer teams for it) which means most of these money is coming from their streaming revenue on the shared own3d account; look at the numbers when they all stream--CLG.na CLG.eu CLG.dota2---over 50k viewers all day every day, that is pick viewers for many of the SC2 tournaments.
There is 1.5million people playing LoL at any given moment(NA only), while sc2 battle.net says a number well bellow that(visible when you login SC2) hence a bigger fanbase to sell things to. Riot is able to tap into their advertising money for tournaments--the company went from being founded to being bought for 400mil with people spending well over 60$ mark on the game (people will continue doing so). Riot is at least 2 years away from reaching the DotA number of heroes at the current 1 hero biweekly release schedule, so they have well over 2years where they can continue releasing heroes and making people pay for new heroes/skins.
As for tournaments; look at DH/IEM/MLG numbers LoL has always been more than 1/2 the viewers for those tournaments (for MLG/DH LoL had more viewers than all their other games combined), a recently un-advertised european time had 100k viewers mid day US (kings of europe).
g2g so I ll stop this here^^
Are you the real elementz? =D
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