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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
November 17 2011 12:01 GMT
#201
Yeah, this is a little weird. I am not too sure about this.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
November 17 2011 12:13 GMT
#202
I'm definitely for this,sure there is no grand finals,but hey if it ain't grand we can have 2 of them am I right?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
November 17 2011 12:14 GMT
#203
This is strange.... practically it transforms into an organized "friendly match" competition. No Ace + No GF = not a true e-sport event...and that's the truth of the situation. They won't even try as long as at the end of the day nobody will be called a true champion.
U MAD BRO?
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 17 2011 12:16 GMT
#204
On November 17 2011 21:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm definitely for this,sure there is no grand finals,but hey if it ain't grand we can have 2 of them am I right?


They say 2 is better than one !
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
November 17 2011 12:16 GMT
#205
No Ace and bo5. Autowin for team8? They have the deepest superstar lineup while CJ has the deepest A-class lineup. Obviously the rule change wasn't made with team8 in mind but it doesn't help refuting suspicions of bias; after all dream teams ruin leagues, especially overnight monopolistic dream teams (e.g. Real Madrid and their 350m euro spending in one season, or Man City and their oil money mercenaries)
Betrayed by EG.BuK
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
November 17 2011 12:19 GMT
#206
Okay, I read around half of all comments but I didn't see any information regarding SC2 in proleague. Is there any news about this at all or nothing yet?
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
November 17 2011 12:22 GMT
#207
On November 17 2011 21:19 THM wrote:
Okay, I read around half of all comments but I didn't see any information regarding SC2 in proleague. Is there any news about this at all or nothing yet?


From the past Blizzcon, it's known that KeSPA showed it's interest in SC2, and has been confirmed that major BW teams bought power-computers etc. I think, even if it will be slow, the transition from BW to SC2 is inevitable...i expect a concrete news to appear sometime in Q1 2012
U MAD BRO?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
November 17 2011 12:22 GMT
#208
On November 17 2011 21:16 tyCe wrote:
No Ace and bo5. Autowin for team8? They have the deepest superstar lineup while CJ has the deepest A-class lineup. Obviously the rule change wasn't made with team8 in mind but it doesn't help refuting suspicions of bias; after all dream teams ruin leagues, especially overnight monopolistic dream teams (e.g. Real Madrid and their 350m euro spending in one season, or Man City and their oil money mercenaries)


people will call auto win but we'll see, every team except STX has a great Bo5 lineup(yes I'm putting ACE above STX)

but we'll see,its gonna be big, its gonna be grand, could it be better well yes, but a lot things people suggest don't see the other side of whats going on, as in why KeSPA has taken such decisions, since we don't reallt know we can't really argue about it.

well there is no SC2 in the proleague at least, pros can stick to only one game.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
November 17 2011 12:25 GMT
#209
On November 17 2011 21:14 ReboundEU wrote:
This is strange.... practically it transforms into an organized "friendly match" competition. No Ace + No GF = not a true e-sport event...and that's the truth of the situation. They won't even try as long as at the end of the day nobody will be called a true champion.

LOL
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
November 17 2011 12:26 GMT
#210
On November 17 2011 21:19 THM wrote:
Okay, I read around half of all comments but I didn't see any information regarding SC2 in proleague. Is there any news about this at all or nothing yet?


All maps are BW

click

On November 17 2011 21:14 ReboundEU wrote:
This is strange.... practically it transforms into an organized "friendly match" competition. No Ace + No GF = not a true e-sport event...and that's the truth of the situation. They won't even try as long as at the end of the day nobody will be called a true champion.


Yes friendly match sums it up perfectly. Also, if two of JD, Bisu and Flash have a bad day in the OSL or get cheesed it is very well possible that we won't see any JD-Flash, JD-Bisu or Flash-Bisu at all in the next year because of cutting Ace matches.
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
November 17 2011 12:27 GMT
#211
This is just weird...
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
November 17 2011 12:27 GMT
#212
On November 17 2011 21:25 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 21:14 ReboundEU wrote:
This is strange.... practically it transforms into an organized "friendly match" competition. No Ace + No GF = not a true e-sport event...and that's the truth of the situation. They won't even try as long as at the end of the day nobody will be called a true champion.

LOL


can't say if you agree or disagree.

because what he says is clearly understandable
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
November 17 2011 12:33 GMT
#213
On November 17 2011 21:26 Fenrax wrote:
Yes friendly match sums it up perfectly. Also, if two of JD, Bisu and Flash have a bad day in the OSL or get cheesed it is very well possible that we won't see any JD-Flash, JD-Bisu or Flash-Bisu at all in the next year because of cutting Ace matches.
I honestly think we'll see more of those matches now, as people will save their aces till later in the match, thereby increasing the chances of it happening. At the very least it'll happen with a similar frequency to the BO7 format from last year, since that rarely went into ace matches anyway. But when compared to BO5 with ace match, it'll probably be less often.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Amarxist
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States371 Posts
November 17 2011 12:34 GMT
#214
I really hate these changes. Finals years of BW and it turns out like this?
☺ ☻
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
November 17 2011 12:34 GMT
#215
I don't suppose first week's schedule is out?
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
November 17 2011 12:39 GMT
#216
On November 17 2011 21:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 21:25 Ryo wrote:
On November 17 2011 21:14 ReboundEU wrote:
This is strange.... practically it transforms into an organized "friendly match" competition. No Ace + No GF = not a true e-sport event...and that's the truth of the situation. They won't even try as long as at the end of the day nobody will be called a true champion.

LOL


can't say if you agree or disagree.

because what he says is clearly understandable

Would I ever agree that Proleague (in any format) is not a true e-sports event? Hell no.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 12:50:17
November 17 2011 12:42 GMT
#217
On November 17 2011 21:39 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 21:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 17 2011 21:25 Ryo wrote:
On November 17 2011 21:14 ReboundEU wrote:
This is strange.... practically it transforms into an organized "friendly match" competition. No Ace + No GF = not a true e-sport event...and that's the truth of the situation. They won't even try as long as at the end of the day nobody will be called a true champion.

LOL


can't say if you agree or disagree.

because what he says is clearly understandable

Would I ever agree that Proleague (in any format) is not a true e-sports event? Hell no.



So if Proleague introduces rainbow ponies and instead of BW, players have to fight with pillows to determine a winner..it's still a e-sport event? Because that's what i see in the new format...pillow-fight competition...

Atleast for me..the Fluff isn't there anymore..no need to get hyped anymore as long as there is no urge for 1 single champion that makes u'r blood boil at the match with anticipation of who will finally prevail after such a long tournament.
U MAD BRO?
Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 12:43:57
November 17 2011 12:42 GMT
#218
Waoh, that looks really bad...
No more ace matches, no Grand Final, playoff final in one match....
Looks like they're giving up on BW.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
November 17 2011 12:45 GMT
#219
No Grand Final really upsets me and the split into two half seasons is fucking weird. Why not just have the 2 winners play a Grand Final match at the end of the season? ;\ Also not so happy with no ace match.
I'm sort of okay with the times though cause matches are likely to end before GSL so I won't have to pick one or the other. Wonder if it was done that way on purpose.
Taengoo ♥
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
November 17 2011 12:48 GMT
#220
On November 17 2011 21:42 NanaCry wrote:
Waoh, that looks really bad...
No more ace matches, no Grand Final, playoff final in one match....
Looks like they're giving up on BW.


no,they're not.

if they did they'd introduce SC2 this season.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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