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Pro.NT_Knight
Profile Joined November 2004
Australia539 Posts
July 07 2005 18:02 GMT
#221
u guys give crap about max/oversky/ipxzerg yet they have made the big time.. max has won a few good games from what i remember.. mondi really needs to be put in their situation in a pro team in korea before a real comparison can begin
Op Pro.NT Usa West
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
July 07 2005 18:05 GMT
#222
You can't argue wether they have a better zvp as mondi, because you just can't compare.

They play in a totally different environment, and the only thing you can take for granted (even though it might not be true), is the opinion of good players. Eri said Mondi has top 10 ZvP in the world maybe, and you can accept that as truth for the well being, because you'll never find out because Mondi isn't in Korea.

If he'd be in Korea and beat upon all those pro protoss players, or losing hardcore to them, then you'd be able to draw a conclusion out of it.
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Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-07-07 18:18:31
July 07 2005 18:15 GMT
#223
On July 08 2005 03:05 Twisted wrote:
...the only thing you can take for granted (even though it might not be true), is the opinion of good players. Eri said Mondi has top 10 ZvP in the world maybe, and you can accept that as truth for the well being...


what a load of shit, you don't seriously believe that do you?

Eri may be right, but he's just guessing, there's no way to tell. As you said: "If he'd be in Korea and beat upon all those pro protoss players, or losing hardcore to them, then you'd be able to draw a conclusion out of it." There's no reason to believe Eri more than any other sc fan who analyses game styles regularly and carefully

there are just too many sick zergs in the semi-pro scene for that kind of top-10 statement to hold any weight
Memory lane in nice
Yellow4ever
Profile Joined July 2005
Greece177 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-07-07 19:21:24
July 07 2005 19:20 GMT
#224
hahahaha mondi top 10 zvp omg dude,so u think that from all koreans zergs pros and semipros with >300 apm and 10 hours/day practice mondi is better? well ok this story has gone 2 far,mondi just lost 2 draco bo3.mondi might be top2-3 player in europe but u stop it there,there are many crazy zergs out there u know.And mondi's zvt is not good at all.
Boxer - Yellow - Garimto 4ever !!!
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
July 07 2005 19:24 GMT
#225
On July 08 2005 04:20 Yellow4ever wrote:
hahahaha mondi top 10 zvp omg dude,so u think that from all koreans zergs pros and semipros with >300 apm and 10 hours/day practice mondi is better? well ok this story has gone 2 far,mondi just lost 2 draco bo3.mondi might be top2-3 player in europe but u stop it there,there are many crazy zergs out there u know.And mondi's zvt is not good at all.

Yes, because losing on an island map and one game on a land map means a lot.
In fact, he could have lost 0-3 and it wouldn't have meant a thing. BoxeR lost 0-2 to froz, yet is undoubtably a better player than froz (no offense).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28669 Posts
July 07 2005 20:12 GMT
#226
I dont care if he has a sucky day against draco where he lost one game zvp nostalgia.
draco has beat several progamers too. mondi's zvp would be top 10 amongst progamers but there might be someone not big on the scene who also specializes on zvp and does the same thing as mondi just slightly better. but the progamers play it too aggressive even when there is no reason to do so and that means they don't win as consistently as mondi. way more entertaining to watch tho.
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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
July 07 2005 20:34 GMT
#227
On July 08 2005 03:15 Resonate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2005 03:05 Twisted wrote:
...the only thing you can take for granted (even though it might not be true), is the opinion of good players. Eri said Mondi has top 10 ZvP in the world maybe, and you can accept that as truth for the well being...


what a load of shit, you don't seriously believe that do you?

Eri may be right, but he's just guessing, there's no way to tell. As you said: "If he'd be in Korea and beat upon all those pro protoss players, or losing hardcore to them, then you'd be able to draw a conclusion out of it." There's no reason to believe Eri more than any other sc fan who analyses game styles regularly and carefully

there are just too many sick zergs in the semi-pro scene for that kind of top-10 statement to hold any weight


You have nothing to prove anything, and eri doesn't either, but you might as well go for the opinion of people that probably know best, and those are often the better players that post on this forum (i.e.: eri). And I agree with it.
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
July 12 2005 05:48 GMT
#228
Bringing this up. Did they play the last three games yet?
Enter a Uh
tuesday
Profile Joined June 2005
United States222 Posts
July 12 2005 05:52 GMT
#229
nope
wants to have MidiaNs babies
SCFraser
Profile Joined May 2003
Canada1534 Posts
July 12 2005 07:51 GMT
#230
I think Eri's opinion holds decent weight. Moreso than most people here. plus mondi's results have backed it up...
This kinda shit is always opinion based anyway.. what do u expect a scientific trial?
I just wanna see how testie's p does vs mondi's Z... see if he cheeses or tries to play straight up.
All it takes is one fuck up for mondi to lose a game vs testie..
I'm gonna guess mondi 2-1.
I want something good to die for, to make it beautiful to live.
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
July 12 2005 07:59 GMT
#231
Like you said...

but I'm guessing 3-0 still. I think mondis zvp is too solid. We'll see.

(I hope)
Enter a Uh
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
July 12 2005 08:01 GMT
#232
My logic states-

One of the best in Europe is greater or equal to one of the worst in Korea.
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Yellow4ever
Profile Joined July 2005
Greece177 Posts
July 12 2005 08:02 GMT
#233
Testie will cheese,he needs only 1 win
Boxer - Yellow - Garimto 4ever !!!
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
July 13 2005 03:42 GMT
#234
I can't seem to get to the page at www.gosus.com where you can download the reps for these games. Have they moved or been taken down completely dince the [pG] merger?
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
FroST(TE)
Profile Joined September 2004
United States909 Posts
July 13 2005 03:50 GMT
#235
testie said he was dodging the last 3 games when i talked to him
not sure if he was joking or not ;p
PoorUser on LP
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
July 13 2005 04:27 GMT
#236
Nooo! he mustn't!
Enter a Uh
Danka
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Peru1018 Posts
July 24 2005 08:36 GMT
#237
have they been played yet'? I hate when these things just fade away and I never find out who wins.
Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. - Mark Twain
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
July 24 2005 08:40 GMT
#238
Top 10 zvp is debatable. But one thing is certain, mondi's zvp is better than saferzerg.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28669 Posts
July 24 2005 16:33 GMT
#239
testie has carpal tunnel so I guess this won't happen anytime really soon
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Milzo
Profile Joined March 2004
France656 Posts
July 24 2005 17:23 GMT
#240
he's playing nlhe heads up bo27 with his boss
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