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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
Also, watch FPVODs. | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:42 thunk wrote: One Jaedong/Flash/Bisu all enter SC2 you'll understand why we appreciate BW so much. They're going to elevate that game to another level, and nobody will be able to catch up. MVP got one game off of Flash and he's winning golds in the GOMTV cups. ForGG is gonna have that place on their knees | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
RRRRRAAAAAGGGEEEEE T_T | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
On October 29 2011 13:09 imjorman wrote: Quite the passionate post, friend. I do, as well, hope I'm here to stay. Now because I must ask, tell me about this scandal that plagued Broodwar... That's quiet easy to explain. If you know, or don't know. BW has Bonjwas, which are players whom dominated soo hard, they practically own the scene. Boxer, iloveoov, Nada and recently Flash (depending on who you ask.) Their were another player named Savior whom were among that group. Only Zerg player in a Terran dominated list. Savior was loved a long time ago, than, out of the blue, a player named Bisu, came and 3-0ed him. During a time where Savior was considered almost unbeatable. After this, Savior basically slumped and disappeared. Than, several years after, Savior said he finally got over his mental game and is back to the scene. However, before he was able to really prove it, a rumor started going about Match Fixing. It caught the eye of Kespa, and they started to investigate it. After a little time has passed, Savior's name popped into the Match Fixing scandal, along with several others who went with it. It was proven and basically, all the players involved were Black Listed from BW forever (including Savior). All of his records were basically blacked out. That wasn't too long ago, it was pretty hurting to hear and find out to be honest. But I would like to say though, to the SC2 people whom are actually serious about trying to learn with an open mind. Thank you. It means quiet a lot to a lot of us. | ||
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HighTemper
Canada3867 Posts
Oh wait... maybe not. I <3 BW! | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:40 konadora wrote: pffft. you thought that was many marines? this is how you do it. Well yeah, remember that game but.. couldn't find it  | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On October 29 2011 06:06 0neder wrote: Now do you understand why I don't want progress bars and why I want passionate, yelling, narrative casting instead of analytical, predictive casting? The Korean casters are analytical and predictive. Every time I watch a subtitled cast I learn things I'd never even thought about. Why the player is pushing out now instead of any other time. What specific thing the player is scouting for --- he's not just "scouting", he's looking for something specific, right now. As the game observer, you see exactly what's there and forget about what *could* be there, in the fog of war; and commentators help you get inside the progamers' heads and recreate the strategic thinking. Actually I often see Korean commentators ignoring the little stuff (OH NO HE LOST TWO MARINES SLOPPILY TO LURKERS) to carry on making a strategical point. The Korean commentators are great at analysis and prediction, they're usually spot on. Basically they spend most of the time explaining what MAKES the current game so exciting, and the rest of the time hollering their heads off. It's just great. Anyone who speaks Korean can correct me on this, but I'm pretty sure I'm right that the Korean casters go way beyond "yelling narrative casting." That's exactly what I cannot stand about most English-speaking youtube commentators. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On October 29 2011 13:09 imjorman wrote: Quite the passionate post, friend. I do, as well, hope I'm here to stay. Now because I must ask, tell me about this scandal that plagued Broodwar... Some players were profiting through illegal gambling; they'd lose official matches on purpose, and would either make money by betting on themselves to lose, or were being paid off by higher-ups staking money on them losing (not sure which). It was illegal and it undermined the competition (who would sponsor a tournament where people lose on purpose?), so about 10 players got life bans, some of them very high-profile: Savior, Luxury, Yarnc, Hwasin, Upmagic, to name the most important. It was a pretty serious blow to Korean BW. Edit: The real tragedy is that these kids were in way over their heads. The brokers turned a profit of 140 million won, while the players made a couple million each, or sometimes didn't get paid. (One million Korean won is about 900 U.S. dollars or 640 euros.) They were just being manipulated. Edit2: And this is way off topic so we probably shouldn't be talking about it more here. Just wanted to answer that question. | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
and this | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
This is the first video I saw of Koreans pros that brought me in, couldn't believe what people were doing with the game.: I think highlight videos are great for newer people. Here are just a couple: + Show Spoiler [BoxeR(Terran)] + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0_rryblADg + Show Spoiler [Nal-rA(Protoss)] + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB7rn6Lsymo + Show Spoiler [sAviOr(Zerg)] + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGAkoMuxuAY + Show Spoiler [Epic Compilations] + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLU_SCqzr0 | ||
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lu_cid
United States428 Posts
On October 29 2011 19:07 jjhchsc2 wrote: watch 2010 bigfile MSL finals. and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzDGNBKplVw Wow... I never saw that game... That was sick. I had a stupid grin on my face the whole time I was watching. | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
On October 29 2011 17:44 Djabanete wrote: The Korean casters are analytical and predictive. Every time I watch a subtitled cast I learn things I'd never even thought about. Why the player is pushing out now instead of any other time. What specific thing the player is scouting for --- he's not just "scouting", he's looking for something specific, right now. As the game observer, you see exactly what's there and forget about what *could* be there, in the fog of war; and commentators help you get inside the progamers' heads and recreate the strategic thinking. Actually I often see Korean commentators ignoring the little stuff (OH NO HE LOST TWO MARINES SLOPPILY TO LURKERS) to carry on making a strategical point. The Korean commentators are great at analysis and prediction, they're usually spot on. Basically they spend most of the time explaining what MAKES the current game so exciting, and the rest of the time hollering their heads off. It's just great. Anyone who speaks Korean can correct me on this, but I'm pretty sure I'm right that the Korean casters go way beyond "yelling narrative casting." That's exactly what I cannot stand about most English-speaking youtube commentators. This is a fantastic post and I really hope one day English SC2 casts will be of the same type and quality. I think a big reason why Koreans learned BW faster than foreigners is because they are exposed to such quality commentary on a daily basis. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190074 Anyway, this game was amazing (commentated by Klazart <3): ^^ SaviOr (Z) vs Iris (T); two CJ Entus teammates duking it out. Iris was known for his very aggressive, in-your-face style (he later changed his name to Berserker). SaviOr the Maestro was known for being a Bonjwa and for his defensive swarm style, army movement, tactics and strategies (reading/manipulating the game flow). This game was the last (they were 2-2) in the OSL semifinals, so everything was on the line. Very intense game. + Show Spoiler [OSL results] + SaviOr 1st, Nada 2nd, Iris 3rd Also, for a general timeline on dominating players, you should check this topic (you'll learn something about chess grandmasters too! ;P): http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=270708 | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
)and of course, the fans and let's not forget cute girls | ||
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yarders
United Kingdom194 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On October 29 2011 20:42 konadora wrote: another thing is the commentators, they are absolute world-class in terms of bringing the game closer to the fans. (there are more of the mbcgame ones, but i can't find them )+ Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1x_jq1YTBA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upcAzy9eUh8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZMCJefrwz4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTE2VM5bABU and of course, the fans + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQfOgUh54c and let's not forget cute girls + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaqMgO8s1w0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLSBB4QOD2w | ||
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elagrion
Ukraine422 Posts
Boxer vs Hiya 2007 Proleague. In time when boxer was shadow of his past, but he came out with brilliant strategy that nobody can think of (even commentators was confused). | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On October 29 2011 19:07 jjhchsc2 wrote: watch 2010 bigfile MSL finals. and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzDGNBKplVw Nooooo not this lol. Im surprised it took this long to get posted given how many people love that game but it always makes me a bit sad to see Bisu lose to that stuff But then I can watch this and feel better | ||
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