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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
October 29 2011 06:42 GMT
#101
One Jaedong/Flash/Bisu all enter SC2 you'll understand why we appreciate BW so much. They're going to elevate that game to another level, and nobody will be able to catch up.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
October 29 2011 07:08 GMT
#102
I'll second (third?) the recommendation for day9's BW dailies. there's at least 50 of them on his blip.tv account
I drop suckas like Plinko
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
October 29 2011 07:25 GMT
#103
Seriously, got to play first before watching vods. You don't need to be good. At least either play the AI a few times or perhaps the campaign if you enjoy playing campaigns. It's hard to appreciate what you see onscreen unless you know just how hard it is to do them.

Also, watch FPVODs.
Meh
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
October 29 2011 08:10 GMT
#104
On October 29 2011 15:42 thunk wrote:
One Jaedong/Flash/Bisu all enter SC2 you'll understand why we appreciate BW so much. They're going to elevate that game to another level, and nobody will be able to catch up.

MVP got one game off of Flash and he's winning golds in the GOMTV cups. ForGG is gonna have that place on their knees
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
October 29 2011 08:24 GMT
#105
wait...WHAT? FLASH MIGHT HEAD TO SC2?


RRRRRAAAAAGGGEEEEE

T_T
Apink/Girl's Day/miss A/IU/Crayon Pop/Sistar/Exo K :D l Kpop and Kdrama Enthusiast
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
October 29 2011 08:27 GMT
#106
On October 29 2011 13:09 imjorman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 13:05 Taekwon wrote:
On October 29 2011 12:38 imjorman wrote:
On October 29 2011 12:32 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 29 2011 12:29 imjorman wrote:
As I'm watching this, a switch flipped in my head. It's kinda like learning a new language and you hear how all the words relate back to English and then you understand where the English language comes from.

Similarly, as I'm watching these, I understand where SC2 comes from and why a lot of things that "are cool" are cool.

I'm watching my history here :D


please note that BW does still exist in the present and that the next season of Proleague will still be majorly BW.


I wasn't claiming it was dead, sorry I understand that my language reflects that, but I'm well aware that this is something that is still alive and well.

Will the Proleague by on the "on air" side bar of TL? If so, I really want to watch it, or if not, where can I find it/read info about it? (English preferably)


Yes, you won't miss it.
When proleague/star league games are on air, you can count on several streamers ready to
fulfill your wishes. Tbh, you can't miss it.

I'm really enjoying this thread but genuinely speaking, I don't think anyone can convey the
passion and ardor one has for brood war by simply typing words and linking VODS.
To me, the spirit of brood war is too personal and stems from your own incessant and
perseverance to following the scene throughout its many years of tears, joy, and explosions of emotion. I cannot express how much love I have for BW and I don't think anyone can, which is why it pains me that we can't transfer that same incredible feeling that resulted from a slow maturation and aging of an unlikely legend of a game.

I guess what I want to say is, this thread...it's like a small flashback and a hint of a taste of brood war. The true adoration comes to you by sticking with it and I am happy that you're loving brood war. To be trite, basically, I hope you're here to stay.


Quite the passionate post, friend. I do, as well, hope I'm here to stay.

Now because I must ask, tell me about this scandal that plagued Broodwar...


That's quiet easy to explain. If you know, or don't know. BW has Bonjwas, which are players whom dominated soo hard, they practically own the scene. Boxer, iloveoov, Nada and recently Flash (depending on who you ask.) Their were another player named Savior whom were among that group. Only Zerg player in a Terran dominated list. Savior was loved a long time ago, than, out of the blue, a player named Bisu, came and 3-0ed him. During a time where Savior was considered almost unbeatable. After this, Savior basically slumped and disappeared.

Than, several years after, Savior said he finally got over his mental game and is back to the scene. However, before he was able to really prove it, a rumor started going about Match Fixing. It caught the eye of Kespa, and they started to investigate it. After a little time has passed, Savior's name popped into the Match Fixing scandal, along with several others who went with it. It was proven and basically, all the players involved were Black Listed from BW forever (including Savior). All of his records were basically blacked out.

That wasn't too long ago, it was pretty hurting to hear and find out to be honest.

But I would like to say though, to the SC2 people whom are actually serious about trying to learn with an open mind. Thank you. It means quiet a lot to a lot of us.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
October 29 2011 08:29 GMT
#107
Didn't expect this thread turns to be better than the Why We Love Brood War thread.

Oh wait... maybe not.

I <3 BW!
"Issue the orders Sir [JangBi], and I will storm Hell." - Anthony Wayne
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
October 29 2011 08:44 GMT
#108
On October 29 2011 15:40 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 06:00 Iplaythings wrote:
So I heard this bomber guy is good at making many marines, I present to you:

pffft. you thought that was many marines?



this is how you do it.

Well yeah, remember that game but..
couldn't find it

In the woods, there lurks..
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
October 29 2011 08:44 GMT
#109
On October 29 2011 06:06 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 01:57 imjorman wrote:
edit: Watching these now. OMG OMG OMG OMG is the passion amazing. the casters are awesome, and even though I don't really understand the game, I can kinda begin to understand why you guys care so much.


Now do you understand why I don't want progress bars and why I want passionate, yelling, narrative casting instead of analytical, predictive casting?

The Korean casters are analytical and predictive. Every time I watch a subtitled cast I learn things I'd never even thought about. Why the player is pushing out now instead of any other time. What specific thing the player is scouting for --- he's not just "scouting", he's looking for something specific, right now. As the game observer, you see exactly what's there and forget about what *could* be there, in the fog of war; and commentators help you get inside the progamers' heads and recreate the strategic thinking. Actually I often see Korean commentators ignoring the little stuff (OH NO HE LOST TWO MARINES SLOPPILY TO LURKERS) to carry on making a strategical point. The Korean commentators are great at analysis and prediction, they're usually spot on.

Basically they spend most of the time explaining what MAKES the current game so exciting, and the rest of the time hollering their heads off. It's just great.

Anyone who speaks Korean can correct me on this, but I'm pretty sure I'm right that the Korean casters go way beyond "yelling narrative casting." That's exactly what I cannot stand about most English-speaking youtube commentators.
May the BeSt man win.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 10:18:56
October 29 2011 09:46 GMT
#110
On October 29 2011 13:09 imjorman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 13:05 Taekwon wrote:
On October 29 2011 12:38 imjorman wrote:
On October 29 2011 12:32 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 29 2011 12:29 imjorman wrote:
As I'm watching this, a switch flipped in my head. It's kinda like learning a new language and you hear how all the words relate back to English and then you understand where the English language comes from.

Similarly, as I'm watching these, I understand where SC2 comes from and why a lot of things that "are cool" are cool.

I'm watching my history here :D


please note that BW does still exist in the present and that the next season of Proleague will still be majorly BW.


I wasn't claiming it was dead, sorry I understand that my language reflects that, but I'm well aware that this is something that is still alive and well.

Will the Proleague by on the "on air" side bar of TL? If so, I really want to watch it, or if not, where can I find it/read info about it? (English preferably)


Yes, you won't miss it.
When proleague/star league games are on air, you can count on several streamers ready to
fulfill your wishes. Tbh, you can't miss it.

I'm really enjoying this thread but genuinely speaking, I don't think anyone can convey the
passion and ardor one has for brood war by simply typing words and linking VODS.
To me, the spirit of brood war is too personal and stems from your own incessant and
perseverance to following the scene throughout its many years of tears, joy, and explosions of emotion. I cannot express how much love I have for BW and I don't think anyone can, which is why it pains me that we can't transfer that same incredible feeling that resulted from a slow maturation and aging of an unlikely legend of a game.

I guess what I want to say is, this thread...it's like a small flashback and a hint of a taste of brood war. The true adoration comes to you by sticking with it and I am happy that you're loving brood war. To be trite, basically, I hope you're here to stay.


Quite the passionate post, friend. I do, as well, hope I'm here to stay.

Now because I must ask, tell me about this scandal that plagued Broodwar...

Some players were profiting through illegal gambling; they'd lose official matches on purpose, and would either make money by betting on themselves to lose, or were being paid off by higher-ups staking money on them losing (not sure which).

It was illegal and it undermined the competition (who would sponsor a tournament where people lose on purpose?), so about 10 players got life bans, some of them very high-profile: Savior, Luxury, Yarnc, Hwasin, Upmagic, to name the most important. It was a pretty serious blow to Korean BW.

Edit: The real tragedy is that these kids were in way over their heads. The brokers turned a profit of 140 million won, while the players made a couple million each, or sometimes didn't get paid. (One million Korean won is about 900 U.S. dollars or 640 euros.) They were just being manipulated.

Edit2: And this is way off topic so we probably shouldn't be talking about it more here. Just wanted to answer that question.
May the BeSt man win.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
October 29 2011 10:07 GMT
#111
watch 2010 bigfile MSL finals.
and this
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 10:44:36
October 29 2011 10:43 GMT
#112
^ Is that really the first posting of Bisu vs Yellow? I saw that shit live at like 2am... so memorable.

This is the first video I saw of Koreans pros that brought me in, couldn't believe what people were doing with the game.:



I think highlight videos are great for newer people. Here are just a couple:

+ Show Spoiler [BoxeR(Terran)] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0_rryblADg








+ Show Spoiler [Nal-rA(Protoss)] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB7rn6Lsymo




+ Show Spoiler [sAviOr(Zerg)] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGAkoMuxuAY



+ Show Spoiler [Epic Compilations] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLU_SCqzr0

CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
lu_cid
Profile Joined April 2008
United States428 Posts
October 29 2011 10:45 GMT
#113
On October 29 2011 19:07 jjhchsc2 wrote:
watch 2010 bigfile MSL finals.
and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzDGNBKplVw


Wow... I never saw that game... That was sick. I had a stupid grin on my face the whole time I was watching.
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
October 29 2011 11:27 GMT
#114
On October 29 2011 17:44 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 06:06 0neder wrote:
On October 29 2011 01:57 imjorman wrote:
edit: Watching these now. OMG OMG OMG OMG is the passion amazing. the casters are awesome, and even though I don't really understand the game, I can kinda begin to understand why you guys care so much.


Now do you understand why I don't want progress bars and why I want passionate, yelling, narrative casting instead of analytical, predictive casting?

The Korean casters are analytical and predictive. Every time I watch a subtitled cast I learn things I'd never even thought about. Why the player is pushing out now instead of any other time. What specific thing the player is scouting for --- he's not just "scouting", he's looking for something specific, right now. As the game observer, you see exactly what's there and forget about what *could* be there, in the fog of war; and commentators help you get inside the progamers' heads and recreate the strategic thinking. Actually I often see Korean commentators ignoring the little stuff (OH NO HE LOST TWO MARINES SLOPPILY TO LURKERS) to carry on making a strategical point. The Korean commentators are great at analysis and prediction, they're usually spot on.

Basically they spend most of the time explaining what MAKES the current game so exciting, and the rest of the time hollering their heads off. It's just great.

Anyone who speaks Korean can correct me on this, but I'm pretty sure I'm right that the Korean casters go way beyond "yelling narrative casting." That's exactly what I cannot stand about most English-speaking youtube commentators.


This is a fantastic post and I really hope one day English SC2 casts will be of the same type and quality. I think a big reason why Koreans learned BW faster than foreigners is because they are exposed to such quality commentary on a daily basis.
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 11:34:49
October 29 2011 11:27 GMT
#115
This topic has epic games in it, sorted by years:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190074

Anyway, this game was amazing (commentated by Klazart <3):


^^ SaviOr (Z) vs Iris (T); two CJ Entus teammates duking it out.

Iris was known for his very aggressive, in-your-face style (he later changed his name to Berserker).

SaviOr the Maestro was known for being a Bonjwa and for his defensive swarm style, army movement, tactics and strategies (reading/manipulating the game flow).

This game was the last (they were 2-2) in the OSL semifinals, so everything was on the line. Very intense game. + Show Spoiler [OSL results] +
SaviOr 1st, Nada 2nd, Iris 3rd


Also, for a general timeline on dominating players, you should check this topic (you'll learn something about chess grandmasters too! ;P):
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=270708
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66160 Posts
October 29 2011 11:42 GMT
#116
another thing is the commentators, they are absolute world-class in terms of bringing the game closer to the fans. (there are more of the mbcgame ones, but i can't find them )






and of course, the fans



and let's not forget cute girls

POGGERS
yarders
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom194 Posts
October 29 2011 12:38 GMT
#117
A good place to start is the Gom archives http://www.gomtv.net/gsi/vod/because they have English commentary from Tasteless. Flash has some incredible comebacks in his matches (see vs Saviour and Stork)
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 29 2011 13:18 GMT
#118
On October 29 2011 20:42 konadora wrote:
another thing is the commentators, they are absolute world-class in terms of bringing the game closer to the fans. (there are more of the mbcgame ones, but i can't find them )

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1x_jq1YTBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upcAzy9eUh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZMCJefrwz4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTE2VM5bABU

and of course, the fans

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQfOgUh54c

and let's not forget cute girls
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaqMgO8s1w0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLSBB4QOD2w



WriterXiao8~~
elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 14:41:10
October 29 2011 14:40 GMT
#119
This VOD made me a BoxeR fan. You have never watch anything like this. Seriously.

Boxer vs Hiya 2007 Proleague. In time when boxer was shadow of his past, but he came out with brilliant strategy that nobody can think of (even commentators was confused).



Everything is a remix.
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
October 29 2011 15:36 GMT
#120
On October 29 2011 19:07 jjhchsc2 wrote:
watch 2010 bigfile MSL finals.
and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzDGNBKplVw


Nooooo not this lol. Im surprised it took this long to get posted given how many people love that game but it always makes me a bit sad to see Bisu lose to that stuff

But then I can watch this and feel better

Kim Taek Yong fighting~
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