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Stop being jerks to each other please. Stop talking about seperate TL sites, BW vs SC2, or which fan base is retarded/ignorant/elitist/old/constipated.
Don't post in the thread unless you take the time to read the situation.
Don't post in the thread to let others know that they should have been banned longer.
Don't post in the thread to claim that kespa is the evil empire based on you reading the translated musing of a random Chinese blogger.
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On September 30 2011 17:46 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 22:45 Shinta) wrote:KeSPA news.... I'd probably still care about BW if KeSPA wasn't retarded. Even if they do something right, they'll still do 10 things wrong. Hopefully the gods of BW benefit though. Give JD a home and a salary!! =P On September 29 2011 20:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:On September 29 2011 20:46 Neoattitude wrote:
like everyone else...
kespa managing all teams?? how?... or whaat? KESPA IS NOT MANAGING ALL THE TEAMS ONLY THE NEW TEAM. No... KeSPA is managing ALL teams using their NEW MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. All teams will still be sponsored by their companies, however will be managed by KeSPA. Owners will still have control over the teams they own, and teams will be able to make their own decisions, however KeSPA will have the final say in all management issues. As far as I can read. User was warned for this post lol, I get warned for saying absolutely nothing out of line.... I reread the post and once again saw that my post was valid. If you want to point out something that I missed due to a grammatical error in the OP or something else that could possibly make me wrong, then go ahead, I'll gladly receive the education, don't "WARN" me for doing nothing but making a normal post that doesn't cross any borders. And before you think about banning me for making this responsive post, remember that I'm only looking for the "what I did wrong". You ban me for that and you're way out of line... (talking to mods)
First part random Kespa trashing second part wild speculation and spreading of misinformation. Annoyed with the warn? Be glad you wern't temped.
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On September 30 2011 17:46 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 22:45 Shinta) wrote:KeSPA news.... I'd probably still care about BW if KeSPA wasn't retarded. Even if they do something right, they'll still do 10 things wrong. Hopefully the gods of BW benefit though. Give JD a home and a salary!! =P On September 29 2011 20:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:On September 29 2011 20:46 Neoattitude wrote:
like everyone else...
kespa managing all teams?? how?... or whaat? KESPA IS NOT MANAGING ALL THE TEAMS ONLY THE NEW TEAM. No... KeSPA is managing ALL teams using their NEW MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. All teams will still be sponsored by their companies, however will be managed by KeSPA. Owners will still have control over the teams they own, and teams will be able to make their own decisions, however KeSPA will have the final say in all management issues. As far as I can read. User was warned for this post lol, I get warned for saying absolutely nothing out of line.... I reread the post and once again saw that my post was valid. If you want to point out something that I missed due to a grammatical error in the OP or something else that could possibly make me wrong, then go ahead, I'll gladly receive the education, don't "WARN" me for doing nothing but making a normal post that doesn't cross any borders. And before you think about banning me for making this responsive post, remember that I'm only looking for the "what I did wrong". You ban me for that and you're way out of line... (talking to mods)
Don't call the people who created and are maintaining e-sport "retards", also don't try to post incorrect information like "Even if they do something right, they'll still do 10 things wrong"
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@Shader No... Half of the first part is me trash talking KeSPA. I wasn't warned for that though because me talking about KeSPA was not restricted as part of the OP notes. The second half of the first part was me providing regular opinion as a fan of JD (JaeDong since it seems you didn't catch that). And I wasn't 'spreading misinformation' I was explaining my interpretation of the OP, and clearly stated that fact by saying "as far as I can read". It's not that I'm annoyed by being warned, in fact I should 'probably be banned' for making these posts since they are not productive. I'm rebelling because I was warned for reasons other than those stated. The reasons I was warned was not because I did something wrong, but because the Mod didn't like what I said, and a mod shouldn't be able to have the power to warn or temp ban someone because of their own personal opinions.
@kamikami You can't tell me what I can and can not post in a forum..... A forum, by definition and by history of the development of the word, is a place where anyone and everyone can gather can express ideas and opinions. You don't have the right to tell me that I can't or shouldn't say something, and as long as I follow the rules, neither do the mods. If mods abuse their power then upper management should punish the mods accordingly.
I asked for positive feedback regarding my question, and I expected it from the mods. You randoms don't have any reason to respond to my post, and you only assist in disrupting the forum by doing so.
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On September 30 2011 18:47 Shinta) wrote:
@Shader No... Half of the first part is me trash talking KeSPA. I wasn't warned for that though because me talking about KeSPA was not restricted as part of the OP notes. The second half of the first part was me providing regular opinion as a fan of JD (JaeDong since it seems you didn't catch that). And I wasn't 'spreading misinformation' I was explaining my interpretation of the OP, and clearly stated that fact by saying "as far as I can read". It's not that I'm annoyed by being warned, in fact I should 'probably be banned' for making these posts since they are not productive. I'm rebelling because I was warned for reasons other than those stated. The reasons I was warned was not because I did something wrong, but because the Mod didn't like what I said, and a mod shouldn't be able to have the power to warn or temp ban someone because of their own personal opinions.
@kamikami You can't tell me what I can and can not post in a forum..... A forum, by definition and by history of the development of the word, is a place where anyone and everyone can gather can express ideas and opinions. You don't have the right to tell me that I can't or shouldn't say something, and as long as I follow the rules, neither do the mods. If mods abuse their power then upper management should punish the mods accordingly.
I asked for positive feedback regarding my question, and I expected it from the mods. You randoms don't have any reason to respond to my post, and you only assist in disrupting the forum by doing so.
Are you being purposely obtuse? You derailed the thread by bitching about a warn. It may or may not have correct of me to respond but YOU are the one derailing the thread.
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On September 30 2011 19:00 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 18:47 Shinta) wrote:
@Shader No... Half of the first part is me trash talking KeSPA. I wasn't warned for that though because me talking about KeSPA was not restricted as part of the OP notes. The second half of the first part was me providing regular opinion as a fan of JD (JaeDong since it seems you didn't catch that). And I wasn't 'spreading misinformation' I was explaining my interpretation of the OP, and clearly stated that fact by saying "as far as I can read". It's not that I'm annoyed by being warned, in fact I should 'probably be banned' for making these posts since they are not productive. I'm rebelling because I was warned for reasons other than those stated. The reasons I was warned was not because I did something wrong, but because the Mod didn't like what I said, and a mod shouldn't be able to have the power to warn or temp ban someone because of their own personal opinions.
@kamikami You can't tell me what I can and can not post in a forum..... A forum, by definition and by history of the development of the word, is a place where anyone and everyone can gather can express ideas and opinions. You don't have the right to tell me that I can't or shouldn't say something, and as long as I follow the rules, neither do the mods. If mods abuse their power then upper management should punish the mods accordingly.
I asked for positive feedback regarding my question, and I expected it from the mods. You randoms don't have any reason to respond to my post, and you only assist in disrupting the forum by doing so. Are you being purposely obtuse? You derailed the thread by bitching about a warn. It may or may not have correct of me to respond but YOU are the one derailing the thread.
He should have pm the mod about his dissatisfaction of the warn and he is actually basing his arguments from a chinese blog writer . It could be false it could be true but we shouln't come to a conclusion so fast until official statements are released .
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On September 30 2011 19:00 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 18:47 Shinta) wrote:
@Shader No... Half of the first part is me trash talking KeSPA. I wasn't warned for that though because me talking about KeSPA was not restricted as part of the OP notes. The second half of the first part was me providing regular opinion as a fan of JD (JaeDong since it seems you didn't catch that). And I wasn't 'spreading misinformation' I was explaining my interpretation of the OP, and clearly stated that fact by saying "as far as I can read". It's not that I'm annoyed by being warned, in fact I should 'probably be banned' for making these posts since they are not productive. I'm rebelling because I was warned for reasons other than those stated. The reasons I was warned was not because I did something wrong, but because the Mod didn't like what I said, and a mod shouldn't be able to have the power to warn or temp ban someone because of their own personal opinions.
@kamikami You can't tell me what I can and can not post in a forum..... A forum, by definition and by history of the development of the word, is a place where anyone and everyone can gather can express ideas and opinions. You don't have the right to tell me that I can't or shouldn't say something, and as long as I follow the rules, neither do the mods. If mods abuse their power then upper management should punish the mods accordingly.
I asked for positive feedback regarding my question, and I expected it from the mods. You randoms don't have any reason to respond to my post, and you only assist in disrupting the forum by doing so. Are you being purposely obtuse? You derailed the thread by bitching about a warn. It may or may not have correct of me to respond but YOU are the one derailing the thread.
LG team would be great!
Btw, Shader I'm sorry to say this. Although you are semi veteran here, I think Shanti is right and not you. He was asking about the warning to the person who warned, MODS, and not you are any other random user. He just posted it here in this thread because this is where it happened, He could have done better by PMing a mod or posting it in the website feedback area, but as it is, he made the right decision to write it here respectfully. That being said, YOU responding to it and even expanding the argument further, unnecessarily, only derails this thread, which is good news! I know I'm also guilty of lengthening it, but let this be the last of it. Just apologize to him and let it go.
Back on topic, can't wait for the new PL season.
User was warned for this post
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On September 30 2011 19:26 Ninja [X] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 19:00 ShadeR wrote:On September 30 2011 18:47 Shinta) wrote:
@Shader No... Half of the first part is me trash talking KeSPA. I wasn't warned for that though because me talking about KeSPA was not restricted as part of the OP notes. The second half of the first part was me providing regular opinion as a fan of JD (JaeDong since it seems you didn't catch that). And I wasn't 'spreading misinformation' I was explaining my interpretation of the OP, and clearly stated that fact by saying "as far as I can read". It's not that I'm annoyed by being warned, in fact I should 'probably be banned' for making these posts since they are not productive. I'm rebelling because I was warned for reasons other than those stated. The reasons I was warned was not because I did something wrong, but because the Mod didn't like what I said, and a mod shouldn't be able to have the power to warn or temp ban someone because of their own personal opinions.
@kamikami You can't tell me what I can and can not post in a forum..... A forum, by definition and by history of the development of the word, is a place where anyone and everyone can gather can express ideas and opinions. You don't have the right to tell me that I can't or shouldn't say something, and as long as I follow the rules, neither do the mods. If mods abuse their power then upper management should punish the mods accordingly.
I asked for positive feedback regarding my question, and I expected it from the mods. You randoms don't have any reason to respond to my post, and you only assist in disrupting the forum by doing so. Are you being purposely obtuse? You derailed the thread by bitching about a warn. It may or may not have correct of me to respond but YOU are the one derailing the thread. LG team would be great! Btw, Shader I'm sorry to say this. Although you are semi veteran here, I think Shanti is right and not you. He was asking about the warning to the person who warned, MODS, and not you are any other random user. He just posted it here in this thread because this is where it happened, He could have done better by PMing a mod or posting it in the website feedback area, but as it is, he made the right decision to write it here respectfully. That being said, YOU responding to it and even expanding the argument further, unnecessarily, only derails this thread, which is good news! I know I'm also guilty of lengthening it, but let this be the last of it. Just apologize to him and let it go. Back on topic, can't wait for the new PL season.
Expanding what arguments are you talking about , he is basing on a personal chinese point of view of the situation at hand . We can talk about these once we have official news these october .
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On September 30 2011 18:47 Shinta) wrote:
@kamikami You can't tell me what I can and can not post in a forum..... A forum, by definition and by history of the development of the word, is a place where anyone and everyone can gather can express ideas and opinions. You don't have the right to tell me that I can't or shouldn't say something, and as long as I follow the rules, neither do the mods. If mods abuse their power then upper management should punish the mods accordingly.
Oh god so you follow the rules by calling people "retarded" and post wrong information (post your our speculation as if it's confirmed news) in the forum. If you want to follow the rules, read the damn rules.
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On September 30 2011 19:27 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 19:26 Ninja [X] wrote:On September 30 2011 19:00 ShadeR wrote:On September 30 2011 18:47 Shinta) wrote:
@Shader No... Half of the first part is me trash talking KeSPA. I wasn't warned for that though because me talking about KeSPA was not restricted as part of the OP notes. The second half of the first part was me providing regular opinion as a fan of JD (JaeDong since it seems you didn't catch that). And I wasn't 'spreading misinformation' I was explaining my interpretation of the OP, and clearly stated that fact by saying "as far as I can read". It's not that I'm annoyed by being warned, in fact I should 'probably be banned' for making these posts since they are not productive. I'm rebelling because I was warned for reasons other than those stated. The reasons I was warned was not because I did something wrong, but because the Mod didn't like what I said, and a mod shouldn't be able to have the power to warn or temp ban someone because of their own personal opinions.
@kamikami You can't tell me what I can and can not post in a forum..... A forum, by definition and by history of the development of the word, is a place where anyone and everyone can gather can express ideas and opinions. You don't have the right to tell me that I can't or shouldn't say something, and as long as I follow the rules, neither do the mods. If mods abuse their power then upper management should punish the mods accordingly.
I asked for positive feedback regarding my question, and I expected it from the mods. You randoms don't have any reason to respond to my post, and you only assist in disrupting the forum by doing so. Are you being purposely obtuse? You derailed the thread by bitching about a warn. It may or may not have correct of me to respond but YOU are the one derailing the thread. LG team would be great! Btw, Shader I'm sorry to say this. Although you are semi veteran here, I think Shanti is right and not you. He was asking about the warning to the person who warned, MODS, and not you are any other random user. He just posted it here in this thread because this is where it happened, He could have done better by PMing a mod or posting it in the website feedback area, but as it is, he made the right decision to write it here respectfully. That being said, YOU responding to it and even expanding the argument further, unnecessarily, only derails this thread, which is good news! I know I'm also guilty of lengthening it, but let this be the last of it. Just apologize to him and let it go. Back on topic, can't wait for the new PL season. Expanding what arguments are you talking about , he is basing on a personal chinese point of view of the situation at hand . We can talk about these once we have official news these october .
argument about his warning. nothing about the OP. like replying to it so he extends the argument. Im sorry im not very good with my english, so there is confusion sometimes
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Hmm....The Kespa president looks a lot different from what I envisioned him.....o_O
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WTF? there is a conflict between the chinese source and the original Korean article(as explained by Ryo more than once in this thread),according to the original Korean article only the new team(s?) will be managed by KeSPA.
On September 29 2011 10:44 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 10:36 Krogan wrote:
So if Kespa owns all teams how does player trading work? It seems to me that Kespa is unlikely to get into a biding war agaisn't themselves for players, how will this effect player salaries? This new management thing only applies to any new teams formed, that's if it's applied at all. Regardless, none of the existing teams will be affected.
Don't post in the thread to claim that kespa is the evil empire based on you reading the translated musing of a random Chinese blogger.
This suddenly makes sense.
also shinta),if you were warned for something,you probably deserved it.
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I don't understand how this is seen as right. It is like the NFL owning an NFL team. NFL controls the REF's which leads to games being called unfairly. Now, in SCBW this isn't really easily applied, but it can come through in situations where there is a disconnect and rule in the favor of their player. Just seems strange to me. Perhaps this will all work out I much prefer watching BW (if only the streams were better quality) the perfection in the games is something I don't see in SC2
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On October 01 2011 20:20 NoobSkills wrote:
I don't understand how this is seen as right. It is like the NFL owning an NFL team. NFL controls the REF's which leads to games being called unfairly. Now, in SCBW this isn't really easily applied, but it can come through in situations where there is a disconnect and rule in the favor of their player. Just seems strange to me. Perhaps this will all work out I much prefer watching BW (if only the streams were better quality) the perfection in the games is something I don't see in SC2
That analogy would only work if the NFL already consisted entirely of the sponsors (ie the owners) of the teams, like Kespa does
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On October 01 2011 20:32 Ikonn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 20:20 NoobSkills wrote:
I don't understand how this is seen as right. It is like the NFL owning an NFL team. NFL controls the REF's which leads to games being called unfairly. Now, in SCBW this isn't really easily applied, but it can come through in situations where there is a disconnect and rule in the favor of their player. Just seems strange to me. Perhaps this will all work out I much prefer watching BW (if only the streams were better quality) the perfection in the games is something I don't see in SC2 That analogy would only work if the NFL already consisted entirely of the sponsors (ie the owners) of the teams, like Kespa does
Teams and Players belong to the owner of the Team (cowboys or KT)
Matches are setup by the organization (Regular Season + Playoffs or MSL OSL TL)
Edit: I don't understand your point.
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On October 01 2011 20:44 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 20:32 Ikonn wrote:On October 01 2011 20:20 NoobSkills wrote:
I don't understand how this is seen as right. It is like the NFL owning an NFL team. NFL controls the REF's which leads to games being called unfairly. Now, in SCBW this isn't really easily applied, but it can come through in situations where there is a disconnect and rule in the favor of their player. Just seems strange to me. Perhaps this will all work out I much prefer watching BW (if only the streams were better quality) the perfection in the games is something I don't see in SC2 That analogy would only work if the NFL already consisted entirely of the sponsors (ie the owners) of the teams, like Kespa does Teams and Players belong to the owner of the Team (cowboys or KT) Matches are setup by the organization (Regular Season + Playoffs or MSL OSL TL) Edit: I don't understand your point.
I guess we can speculate all we want but nobody really knows what is actually meant by "a new management system". So at this point all analogys are false ones.
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On October 01 2011 21:07 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 20:44 NoobSkills wrote:On October 01 2011 20:32 Ikonn wrote:On October 01 2011 20:20 NoobSkills wrote:
I don't understand how this is seen as right. It is like the NFL owning an NFL team. NFL controls the REF's which leads to games being called unfairly. Now, in SCBW this isn't really easily applied, but it can come through in situations where there is a disconnect and rule in the favor of their player. Just seems strange to me. Perhaps this will all work out I much prefer watching BW (if only the streams were better quality) the perfection in the games is something I don't see in SC2 That analogy would only work if the NFL already consisted entirely of the sponsors (ie the owners) of the teams, like Kespa does Teams and Players belong to the owner of the Team (cowboys or KT) Matches are setup by the organization (Regular Season + Playoffs or MSL OSL TL) Edit: I don't understand your point. I guess we can speculate all we want but nobody really knows what is actually meant by "a new management system". So at this point all analogys are false ones.
Not false, but unproven, but no matter what the "management system" is they will have a bias. Now, as far as speculation goes we won't know exactly how it works until they tell us, but I have an inclination that this won't be a great thing. Hopefully it is, but KESPA has mishandled things before.
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On October 01 2011 21:07 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 20:44 NoobSkills wrote:On October 01 2011 20:32 Ikonn wrote:On October 01 2011 20:20 NoobSkills wrote:
I don't understand how this is seen as right. It is like the NFL owning an NFL team. NFL controls the REF's which leads to games being called unfairly. Now, in SCBW this isn't really easily applied, but it can come through in situations where there is a disconnect and rule in the favor of their player. Just seems strange to me. Perhaps this will all work out I much prefer watching BW (if only the streams were better quality) the perfection in the games is something I don't see in SC2 That analogy would only work if the NFL already consisted entirely of the sponsors (ie the owners) of the teams, like Kespa does Teams and Players belong to the owner of the Team (cowboys or KT) Matches are setup by the organization (Regular Season + Playoffs or MSL OSL TL) Edit: I don't understand your point. I guess we can speculate all we want but nobody really knows what is actually meant by "a new management system". So at this point all analogys are false ones.
I am sticking with these argument and just wait and see what's going to happen , Ryo said that in the mid of october we will able to learn more about these new management . To dwell on matters that we don't know may lead to insanity .
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On October 01 2011 21:11 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 21:07 ShadeR wrote:On October 01 2011 20:44 NoobSkills wrote:On October 01 2011 20:32 Ikonn wrote:On October 01 2011 20:20 NoobSkills wrote:
I don't understand how this is seen as right. It is like the NFL owning an NFL team. NFL controls the REF's which leads to games being called unfairly. Now, in SCBW this isn't really easily applied, but it can come through in situations where there is a disconnect and rule in the favor of their player. Just seems strange to me. Perhaps this will all work out I much prefer watching BW (if only the streams were better quality) the perfection in the games is something I don't see in SC2 That analogy would only work if the NFL already consisted entirely of the sponsors (ie the owners) of the teams, like Kespa does Teams and Players belong to the owner of the Team (cowboys or KT) Matches are setup by the organization (Regular Season + Playoffs or MSL OSL TL) Edit: I don't understand your point. I guess we can speculate all we want but nobody really knows what is actually meant by "a new management system". So at this point all analogys are false ones. Not false, but unproven, but no matter what the "management system" is they will have a bias. Now, as far as speculation goes we won't know exactly how it works until they tell us, but I have an inclination that this won't be a great thing. Hopefully it is, but KESPA has mishandled things before.
Kespa is also all we have. If it weren't for Kespa, we'd be 3 teams down, end of story. Whatever their faults in the past, they're doing their best to help BW right now. We're getting 1, maybe even 2 teams back. What do we have to complain about?
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On October 01 2011 21:34 seraphe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 21:11 NoobSkills wrote:On October 01 2011 21:07 ShadeR wrote:On October 01 2011 20:44 NoobSkills wrote:On October 01 2011 20:32 Ikonn wrote:On October 01 2011 20:20 NoobSkills wrote:
I don't understand how this is seen as right. It is like the NFL owning an NFL team. NFL controls the REF's which leads to games being called unfairly. Now, in SCBW this isn't really easily applied, but it can come through in situations where there is a disconnect and rule in the favor of their player. Just seems strange to me. Perhaps this will all work out I much prefer watching BW (if only the streams were better quality) the perfection in the games is something I don't see in SC2 That analogy would only work if the NFL already consisted entirely of the sponsors (ie the owners) of the teams, like Kespa does Teams and Players belong to the owner of the Team (cowboys or KT) Matches are setup by the organization (Regular Season + Playoffs or MSL OSL TL) Edit: I don't understand your point. I guess we can speculate all we want but nobody really knows what is actually meant by "a new management system". So at this point all analogys are false ones. Not false, but unproven, but no matter what the "management system" is they will have a bias. Now, as far as speculation goes we won't know exactly how it works until they tell us, but I have an inclination that this won't be a great thing. Hopefully it is, but KESPA has mishandled things before. Kespa is also all we have. If it weren't for Kespa, we'd be 3 teams down, end of story. Whatever their faults in the past, they're doing their best to help BW right now. We're getting 1, maybe even 2 teams back. What do we have to complain about?
Take a look at his post history and that can give you a view which side he is really on .
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On October 01 2011 20:44 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 20:32 Ikonn wrote:On October 01 2011 20:20 NoobSkills wrote:
I don't understand how this is seen as right. It is like the NFL owning an NFL team. NFL controls the REF's which leads to games being called unfairly. Now, in SCBW this isn't really easily applied, but it can come through in situations where there is a disconnect and rule in the favor of their player. Just seems strange to me. Perhaps this will all work out I much prefer watching BW (if only the streams were better quality) the perfection in the games is something I don't see in SC2 That analogy would only work if the NFL already consisted entirely of the sponsors (ie the owners) of the teams, like Kespa does Teams and Players belong to the owner of the Team (cowboys or KT) Matches are setup by the organization (Regular Season + Playoffs or MSL OSL TL) Edit: I don't understand your point.
Kespa = the sponsors. The dude in the first post works for SK Telecom. Kespa already owned all of the teams because of this
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