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China3334 Posts
SKT has signed new contracts with T1 staff(the leader, coach and 8 players) today.
In addition to 180,000 US$ annual salary, BoxeR could earn at most 80,000 US$ bonus, which breaks the record of NaDa last Aug (200,000 US$ annual salary). This 3-year-contract may bring his at most 780,000 totally. And according to the contract, he might receive more supplementaries due to his achievement next 2 or 3 years. Again, BoxeR climbs up to the throne of the annual salary.
Another mainnstay of T1, Oov also gets a 3-year-contract with 150,000 US$ annual salary, which triples his income last year. SKT affirms to his huge contribution to the team.
And Kingdom, the captain of Protoss in the team, signs a 3-year-contract, which ensures 300,000 US$ for him. Few weeks ago, SKT signed with GoRush, the captain of Zerg in the team, a 100,000 US$ annual contract. It's reported each captain may get at best 50,000 US$ bonus if he does well in tournaments.
According to the managers of SKT, their strategy is to give the best player the highest salary. They hope the team will achieve more in 2005.
Interview with BoxeR afterwards
Q: You just get the highest salary! Congrats!
BoxeR: In case I do very well. It's not the highest salary because some of it(refer to the bonus) is due to my performance. But I will fight for the highest.
Q: So how do you earn the highest salary?
BoxeR: The bonus has something to do with my achievement in major tournaments. No pains, no gains.
Q: You have renewed the record of annual salary in 2 years.
BoxeR: If you talk about the sum, that's true. However, I'd like to see other player get more than 200,000 US$ basic salary.
Q: This is your first long contract.
BoxeR: I always admire other players for their long contracts, "they have the stable home" I said to myself. Now after signing mine, I feel relieved as well as some heave pressure, sort of complicated sense.
Q: A few words for your fans.
BoxeR: As a progamer, I've stayed in SKT T1 for the longest time. I wish I could help my teammates. Hope you cheer for me and T1 in the future.
news taken from www.playsc.com
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Sweden33719 Posts
Daaaaaaaaaamn :D
But isn't he leaving for the army next year? Has he wriggled out of it AGAIN!? :D:D:D
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Haha, that's what I was thinking too. He'll be sticking around for another 3 years I guess. Starcraft gaming in 2008. Hard to imagine.
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hehe  leg when do you earn this? 
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Good idea having incentive based contracts.
Stops someone doing a Nal_ra when they hit the big bucks.
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China3334 Posts
so it means BoxeR will go to army in 2008 ;o
and i wonder who earns the most (only count salary), it's said reach get 230,000 US$ annually?
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On April 13 2005 04:44 Emlary wrote:
so it means BoxeR will go to army in 2008 ;o
and i wonder who earns the most (only count salary), it's said reach get 230,000 US$ annually?
Sighpqsdofkp, this is the best news ever. I was already mentally preparing myself to follow progaming without Boxer as soon as next year.
<3
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This says a lot about their faith in his leadership and skill. Boxer is not getting any younger.
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YAY!
sc without boxer? who has ever heard of such a thing 
he should be honourary general of the korean army by now damnit
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Hmm...how old is Boxer right now? I mean after the army which is 4(?) years in korea, he doesnt even have learned a job or studied sth...and the money earned by gaming dont last forever...
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On April 13 2005 05:28 kandyman wrote:
Hmm...how old is Boxer right now? I mean after the army which is 4(?) years in korea, he doesnt even have learned a job or studied sth...and the money earned by gaming dont last forever...
that would interesst me too
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damn thats like 30 mo g's then reach gooo boxer
they payin him pretty well now huh , i wonder what was his salary before
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Boxer's army service keeps on getting postponed.
This is incredible -_-
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whats kingdoms name?
cant remember T_T
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Sweden33719 Posts
On April 13 2005 05:28 kandyman wrote:
Hmm...how old is Boxer right now? I mean after the army which is 4(?) years in korea, he doesnt even have learned a job or studied sth...and the money earned by gaming dont last forever...
It's 2 years ;o
You have the option of doing some more civilian related work instead I think and in return it's a bit longer
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YES!
Money will motivate him to win. Maybe no more bunker rushes vs. yellow?
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he won 3-0 vs yellow so i dont get your point
boxer rules! :D
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I seem to remember Reach was the highest paid recently... I guess that's out-of-date now? $300'000 over 2 years or something? (obviously that's less than boxer or Nada now)
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Boxer 3 years - 780k - 260 year (previous is 200k)
Reach 1 year - 230k
Nada 3 years - 600k - 200 year
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Boxer owns, he deserves that money
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by the time boxer goes to the army hes gonna be 50
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woohoo
Now if only boxer starts kicking a lot of ass again.
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On April 13 2005 04:37 hasuwar wrote:
Haha, that's what I was thinking too. He'll be sticking around for another 3 years I guess. Starcraft gaming in 2008. Hard to imagine.
Seeing how they keep pushing Starcraft: Ghost, I bet we'll see orignal Starcraft BW gaming in 2016 too... hahahaha
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this is good news, but i have really mixed feelings about it. i'm tired of boxer slumping :|
I hope he gets his shit together now and plays some games to justify that fat paycheck
instead of losing to players like Doggi or whatever the fuck that guy's name was
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thats way too much money.. boxer wont dominate anymore.. he wont win the big tournaments..
But well.. Grrrr... got money, when he didnt play any good anymore.. so who cares
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You mean boxer has been dominating before this contract? -.-
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I know...lost to oov 3-2 in Ever OSL Finals...what a fucking newb
Get real people, he's still doing quite well for himself.
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The last two times failed.
EDIT: Bunker rushes
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On April 13 2005 11:25 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I know...lost to oov 3-2 in Ever OSL Finals...what a fucking newb
Get real people, he's still doing quite well for himself.
Yes, not to mention had a relatively easy trip to the finals. In any case those are the exceptions, most of the time he can't even qualify for dual leagues.
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On April 13 2005 11:28 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 11:25 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I know...lost to oov 3-2 in Ever OSL Finals...what a fucking newb
Get real people, he's still doing quite well for himself. Yes, not to mention had a relatively easy trip to the finals. In any case those are the exceptions, most of the time he can't even qualify for dual leagues.
Yeah, even though before Ever 2005 he hadn't missed a single OSL except Gillette...
Oh well. O.o
edit: and a group with Nada and Kingdom, then Sync in shape, then Yellow in shape is not what I would call an "easy trip", but whatever.
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With all the crap boxer has won, he deserves the most money.
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On April 13 2005 11:28 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 11:25 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I know...lost to oov 3-2 in Ever OSL Finals...what a fucking newb
Get real people, he's still doing quite well for himself. Yes, not to mention had a relatively easy trip to the finals. In any case those are the exceptions, most of the time he can't even qualify for dual leagues.
You sir, are a moron. EVER OSL was arguably the hardest OSL to get into the finals with all the top players in near perfect condition. And he took Oov himself to 5 games. Yeah that's right, same Oov that pisses over Nada in TvT.
Well obviously this is great to me, more money for Boxer the better, he deserves it more than anyone. And I believe he's around 25 or so. Give or take a few because of Korean/Western age differential. And yes he can just do civilian work, but that is usually saved for disabled or crippled citizens.
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i think boxer is one of the few that do not have to worry about his career after he stops playing. he could easily do commentary or whatever else he wanted in media i think with his popularity.
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Canada5235 Posts
On April 13 2005 05:28 kandyman wrote:
Hmm...how old is Boxer right now? I mean after the army which is 4(?) years in korea, he doesnt even have learned a job or studied sth...and the money earned by gaming dont last forever...
*blink*
He's made a good $1million playing this game.
WHY THE FUCK CAN'T HE SPEND SOME OF THAT ON GOING TO SCHOOL WHEN HE'S DONE?
you make me gag.
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With popularity he gained during his progaming life, with some right investment of the money he made, I don't see any problem with his future. At the worst case he can easily secure a job in the progaming scene.
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On April 13 2005 12:32 FeelTheMoment wrote:
With popularity he gained during his progaming life, with some right investment of the money he made, I don't see any problem with his future. At the worst case he can easily secure a job in the progaming scene.
in any game
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On April 13 2005 05:28 kandyman wrote:
Hmm...how old is Boxer right now? I mean after the army which is 4(?) years in korea, he doesnt even have learned a job or studied sth...and the money earned by gaming dont last forever...
He would become a celebrity and make cash that way or a huge pornstar!
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On April 13 2005 12:09 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 11:28 MoltkeWarding wrote:On April 13 2005 11:25 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I know...lost to oov 3-2 in Ever OSL Finals...what a fucking newb
Get real people, he's still doing quite well for himself. Yes, not to mention had a relatively easy trip to the finals. In any case those are the exceptions, most of the time he can't even qualify for dual leagues. You sir, are a moron. EVER OSL was arguably the hardest OSL to get into the finals with all the top players in near perfect condition. And he took Oov himself to 5 games. Yeah that's right, same Oov that pisses over Nada in TvT. Well obviously this is great to me, more money for Boxer the better, he deserves it more than anyone. And I believe he's around 25 or so. Give or take a few because of Korean/Western age differential. And yes he can just do civilian work, but that is usually saved for disabled or crippled citizens.
Yes, for all except Boxer:
Considering in the quarter-finals he had arguably the weakest opponent of the top 8: Sync then for semis he faced his old nemesis Yellow who he beat in 10 minutes. If you can name an easier path to the finals in OSL history please enlighten me.
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On April 13 2005 12:37 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 12:09 Ack1027 wrote:On April 13 2005 11:28 MoltkeWarding wrote:On April 13 2005 11:25 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I know...lost to oov 3-2 in Ever OSL Finals...what a fucking newb
Get real people, he's still doing quite well for himself. Yes, not to mention had a relatively easy trip to the finals. In any case those are the exceptions, most of the time he can't even qualify for dual leagues. You sir, are a moron. EVER OSL was arguably the hardest OSL to get into the finals with all the top players in near perfect condition. And he took Oov himself to 5 games. Yeah that's right, same Oov that pisses over Nada in TvT. Well obviously this is great to me, more money for Boxer the better, he deserves it more than anyone. And I believe he's around 25 or so. Give or take a few because of Korean/Western age differential. And yes he can just do civilian work, but that is usually saved for disabled or crippled citizens. Yes, for all except Boxer: Considering in the quarter-finals he had arguably the weakest opponent of the top 8: Sync then for semis he faced his old nemesis Yellow who he beat in 10 minutes. If you can name an easier path to the finals in OSL history please enlighten me.
Man, you're fucking stupid. Sync is known for his TvT and everyone was betting against Boxer. Some even said he wouldn't make it out of his group. And how is Yellow being his old nemesis make it any easier for him? Yellow just got outplayed, pure and simple. Also you still didn't address the fact that he took almost beat Oov which nobody else came close to.
And by the way, because he placed second in that OSL he now holds both titles. Most 1st place and 2nd place finishes in progaming history. So yeah, his dual league participation as of recently is not so great, but you fail to see the overall picture.
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His cost of living has to be nearly nothing atm on top of getting a huge sum of money. He'd have to be brainless to not being investing a great deal of this money for the future. I don't think anyone here think's boxer is brainless.
Boxer is a draw and since they are NOT getting paid to play bw. They are getting paid to SELL A PRODUCT! Boxer being the most reconized player means he should get paid the most. The reality is he's not getting the biggest contract if he doesn't play well anyway. Why do you think Elky is still getting a check.
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On April 13 2005 12:41 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 12:37 MoltkeWarding wrote:On April 13 2005 12:09 Ack1027 wrote:On April 13 2005 11:28 MoltkeWarding wrote:On April 13 2005 11:25 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I know...lost to oov 3-2 in Ever OSL Finals...what a fucking newb
Get real people, he's still doing quite well for himself. Yes, not to mention had a relatively easy trip to the finals. In any case those are the exceptions, most of the time he can't even qualify for dual leagues. You sir, are a moron. EVER OSL was arguably the hardest OSL to get into the finals with all the top players in near perfect condition. And he took Oov himself to 5 games. Yeah that's right, same Oov that pisses over Nada in TvT. Well obviously this is great to me, more money for Boxer the better, he deserves it more than anyone. And I believe he's around 25 or so. Give or take a few because of Korean/Western age differential. And yes he can just do civilian work, but that is usually saved for disabled or crippled citizens. Yes, for all except Boxer: Considering in the quarter-finals he had arguably the weakest opponent of the top 8: Sync then for semis he faced his old nemesis Yellow who he beat in 10 minutes. If you can name an easier path to the finals in OSL history please enlighten me. Man, you're fucking stupid. Sync is known for his TvT and everyone was betting against Boxer. Some even said he wouldn't make it out of his group. And how is Yellow being his old nemesis make it any easier for him? Yellow just got outplayed, pure and simple. Also you still didn't address the fact that he took almost beat Oov which nobody else came close to. And by the way, because he placed second in that OSL he now holds both titles. Most 1st place and 2nd place finishes in progaming history. So yeah, his dual league participation as of recently is not so great, but you fail to see the overall picture.
Considering the fact that recently Boxer does not even qualify for OSL not to mention making it out of his group (i.e. last OSL), I would say that "most people" placed a pretty safe bet.
What do you mean no one else came close to beating oov? IIRC Reach in Quarter-Finals came a lot closer than Boxer. Not to mention Boxer does not have the most 1st place finishes in progaming history: in OSL he's tied with garimto and Nada, and overall he is outdone by Nada, not to mention most of Boxer's top 3 finishes were years ago.
Maybe you have a different definition of "dominant" than I, but put Boxer vs any top 10 gamer right now, and I'd give anyone at least 50-50 odds vs Boxer, most of them much higher. That's not "dominant" in my view.
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MoltkeWarding dude stop arguin with ack you cant win =P
The thing I wonder will BW even last 3 more years? Hopefully sc2 will come out!
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Sweden33719 Posts
Moltke, you are just being retarded now.
Sync is boxer's fucking nemesis, throughout the years sync has mostly come out on top.
Yellow EASY?! ADGYFY*I#
They are like 28-25 or something, yeah, REAL fucking easy.
Boxer didn't qualify for the last OSL, that's one.
Boxer qualified into every fucking OSL for like what? 2++ Years straight?
Boxer has won the KPGA, boxer has gotten third, boxer has won a couple of KOK (the MBC variety), boxer has won 2 WCGs, Boxer has won 2 OGN starleagues, BACK TO BACK, boxer has been in 5 finals, boxer came so incredibly fucking close to beating oov - had he scouted oov's hidden CC it would likely have been game - his wraiths turned away one inch out of vision.
Boxer has placed 3rd multiple times in OGN, top 8 even more.
NO ONE has been as consistant as him, EVER.
Go to away.
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oov deserves boxers salary
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On April 13 2005 13:13 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Moltke, you are just being retarded now.
Sync is boxer's fucking nemesis, throughout the years sync has mostly come out on top.
Yellow EASY?! ADGYFY*I#
They are like 28-25 or something, yeah, REAL fucking easy.
Boxer didn't qualify for the last OSL, that's one.
Boxer qualified into every fucking OSL for like what? 2++ Years straight?
Boxer has won the KPGA, boxer has gotten third, boxer has won a couple of KOK (the MBC variety), boxer has won 2 WCGs, Boxer has won 2 OGN starleagues, BACK TO BACK, boxer has been in 5 finals, boxer came so incredibly fucking close to beating oov - had he scouted oov's hidden CC it would likely have been game - his wraiths turned away one inch out of vision.
Boxer has placed 3rd multiple times in OGN, top 8 even more.
NO ONE has been as consistant as him, EVER.
Go to away.
Nope, Boxer never qualified for the one before his semi-final appearance, Gillette either. Not going to mention the MBCs.
Of course yellow is not dominant today either, but yellow is one of the only top gamers left who boxer can go 50:50 against. The manner of Boxer's play just confirms the notion that if Boxer doesn't have the game won in the first 10 minutes, the game goes downhill for him.
Most of the achivements you listed come from 2001-2002, which contradicts your later claim of consistancy. Boxer is probably the most inconsistant player ever, if you want to look at players who are more consistant- either good or bad- you can pretty much list every gamer you can name.
BTW it's interesting that you say going 2:3 vs oov is impressive, while no one says that oov going 3:2 vs boxer is impressive. Just comes to show how oov is the measuring stick here, not Boxer.
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Oov was mentioned to say Boxer can butt heads with the *very* best. Oov's skill was not put into quesiton, so he was a valid "measuring stick".
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
About his future, I had heard he owns PC bangs now. Can someone confirm ?
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On April 13 2005 13:43 ihatett wrote:
Oov was mentioned to say Boxer can butt heads with the *very* best. Oov's skill was not put into quesiton, so he was a valid "measuring stick".
There's a reason for that. And oov sometimes sounds like he's boxer's #1 fan, what else would you expect him to say? Let's look at Boxer's actual performance shall we?
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I wasn't talking about anything oov said... you must have misread. Or maybe I did?
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Oov was mentioned to say Boxer can butt heads with the *very* best. 
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Oov's the measuring stick because we're measuring boxer. We can't measure boxer against himself, dumbass.
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On April 13 2005 13:56 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Oov was mentioned [in this thread] to say [and show] that boxer can but heads with the *very best*.
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On April 13 2005 14:07 The IA wrote:
Oov's the measuring stick because we're measuring boxer. We can't measure boxer against himself, dumbass.
Funny how when Kingdom or Yellow or Reach > Boxer we don't say wow xxxx is gosu. All we say is T_T Boxer.
Boxer is not a measuring stick because he isn't a top player anymore.
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On April 13 2005 13:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Nope, Boxer never qualified for the one before his semi-final appearance, Gillette either. Not going to mention the MBCs.
Of course yellow is not dominant today either, but yellow is one of the only top gamers left who boxer can go 50:50 against. The manner of Boxer's play just confirms the notion that if Boxer doesn't have the game won in the first 10 minutes, the game goes downhill for him.
Most of the achivements you listed come from 2001-2002, which contradicts your later claim of consistancy. Boxer is probably the most inconsistant player ever, if you want to look at players who are more consistant- either good or bad- you can pretty much list every gamer you can name.
BTW it's interesting that you say going 2:3 vs oov is impressive, while no one says that oov going 3:2 vs boxer is impressive. Just comes to show how oov is the measuring stick here, not Boxer.
I was gonna respond to this post, I was actually doing it when I realised how much time I would lose answering such blatantly trollish bullshit.
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On April 13 2005 14:34 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 14:07 The IA wrote:
Oov's the measuring stick because we're measuring boxer. We can't measure boxer against himself, dumbass. Funny how when Kingdom or Yellow or Reach > Boxer we don't say wow xxxx is gosu. All we say is T_T Boxer. Boxer is not a measuring stick because he isn't a top player anymore.
That's because Boxer is more popular than Yellow or Reach, not because we don't think Boxer is good.
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On April 13 2005 15:04 BinaryStar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 14:34 MoltkeWarding wrote:On April 13 2005 14:07 The IA wrote:
Oov's the measuring stick because we're measuring boxer. We can't measure boxer against himself, dumbass. Funny how when Kingdom or Yellow or Reach > Boxer we don't say wow xxxx is gosu. All we say is T_T Boxer. Boxer is not a measuring stick because he isn't a top player anymore. That's because Boxer is more popular than Yellow or Reach, not because we don't think Boxer is good.
Then by your reasoning Boxer's popularity > Yellow or Reach therefore when they beat him it's less impressive than when someone beats oov?
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On April 13 2005 13:47 Catyoul wrote:
About his future, I had heard he owns PC bangs now. Can someone confirm ?
He's owned his own PC baang for years now
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On April 13 2005 13:13 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Moltke, you are just being retarded now.
Sync is boxer's fucking nemesis, throughout the years sync has mostly come out on top.
Yellow EASY?! ADGYFY*I#
They are like 28-25 or something, yeah, REAL fucking easy.
Boxer didn't qualify for the last OSL, that's one.
Boxer qualified into every fucking OSL for like what? 2++ Years straight?
Boxer has won the KPGA, boxer has gotten third, boxer has won a couple of KOK (the MBC variety), boxer has won 2 WCGs, Boxer has won 2 OGN starleagues, BACK TO BACK, boxer has been in 5 finals, boxer came so incredibly fucking close to beating oov - had he scouted oov's hidden CC it would likely have been game - his wraiths turned away one inch out of vision.
Boxer has placed 3rd multiple times in OGN, top 8 even more.
NO ONE has been as consistant as him, EVER.
Go to away.
Umm....Boxer may deserve all the $$ due to all the things he has accomplished, but Boxer DID have the easiest trip to the Ever OSL finals. Arguing against that is only rediculous. Out of all 8 players, boxer did faced 2 of the players that he would have a best shot against.
Seriously, how can anyone argue that Boxer did not have the easiest OSL trip than his competitors? Would anyone put Sync and Yellow over as being better than JulyZerg, Xellos, Nada, Reach, or Iloveoov?
28-25 is hard? JTRNSG*Y%. That's more than 50% winning odds. If Boxer was up against JulyZerg, Xellos, Nada, Reach, or Iloveoov, he would have had anywhere between less to alot less than 50% odds of winning.
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Well u can bash about skill all u want, the reason Boxer gets the money is simple. If there is group of vods u can download one at a time, which would u get first boxer victories, or oov victories? Well I would dl all Boxer games, then Yellow games then themarine games and then maybe oov or Nada. Why ? Just cause Boxer is the real victor. He is a hero, he is a star, oov is just a gorilla, skilled but still a gorilla.
And about the skill part, ohm Boxer is around for how long? Yes THAT LOOONNNNNNGGGGG! I don't think any gamer has been considered top notch for so long. And as the manager of SKT1 said usually Boxer and Oov are like 5:5 out of ten games - so I consider Boxer to be very strong.
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boxer fan opinions are a pointless read
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On April 13 2005 15:37 waa wrote:
boxer fan opinions are a pointless read
so is yours
Congrats to boxer. He just needs to win another OSL
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China3334 Posts
when reach/sync moved to KTF(late 2003?), the first contracts they got were, Reach-->50,000 US$ and Sync-->30,000. at that time, both were not in sharp. what each of em achieved before was one OSL champ title. so why reach earned more? that's the point. he's more popular.
BoxeR is the most popular.
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On April 13 2005 17:01 Emlary wrote:
when reach/sync moved to KTF(late 2003?), the first contracts they got were, Reach-->50,000 US$ and Sync-->30,000. at that time, both were not in sharp. what each of em achieved before was one OSL champ title. so why reach earned more? that's the point. he's more popular.
BoxeR is the most popular.
Mhm
And look where Reach is now~~ ^^
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Yes, i have to say Boxer is no longer invincible as he used to be but he is still among the top players.Most importantly, he is not a SC player in Korea, he is a super star who enjoyed more popularity and appeared more often on commercials than even the famous singers or film stars. He' s got the largest fans club and charming appears(esp. in the eyes of Korean girl fans). What Boxer to SC is Michael Jordan to NBA.
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Yes, popularity does count alot, which is why Boxer does deservingly gets his salary. Pro gaming can't be how it is today without Boxer. But MoltkeWarding did make some good valid points which are actually true for pretty much the most part, and everybody starts rediculously jumping on him on a bandwagon like he's an idiot.
Though I wish instead of Boxer, Reach and Nada getting all the top salaries, that salaries are more evenly-distributed among players. Most players ranked #15 and below don't make enough to support themselves.
Although the top ranked players should definitely deserve more salaries, the salaries gap between a top level player and a near-top level player is too significant in my eyes.
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I hope they enjoy paying him to look pretty on posters and group photos because I do not expect him to have much more tv time than that. Yes he is a BW icon but at the same time, there is a problem when a player who is not even ranked in the top 10 in KESPA rankings is the highest payed player in the game.
Obviously it's tough to throw endless money at Julyzerg for being the top player right now because he's still relatively new to the leaderboard, but players such as oov and nada have both proven themselves time and time again over the last couple years where most of boxer's accomplishments have been insignificant.
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Boxer isn't paid for his bw skills. he's paid becuase he sells products. He sells things because people know who he is. God this is just stupid...
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On April 13 2005 15:10 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 15:04 BinaryStar wrote:
That's because Boxer is more popular than Yellow or Reach, not because we don't think Boxer is good. Then by your reasoning Boxer's popularity > Yellow or Reach therefore when they beat him it's less impressive than when someone beats oov?
Did I say that? My reasoning is that people are more upset about Boxer's loss than they are impressed by Yellow or Reach's wins over him. Which is why they are T_T Boxer not ^_^ Yellow/Reach.
BTW--**spoilers**:
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Boxer just beat JulyZerg today .
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I voted Boxer over July
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On April 13 2005 05:28 kandyman wrote:
Hmm...how old is Boxer right now? I mean after the army which is 4(?) years in korea, he doesnt even have learned a job or studied sth...and the money earned by gaming dont last forever...
he doesn't need a job, he's so famous in korea... guess he'll just have to do some advertising and tv shows when he stops progaming. He is already the owner of 3 or 4 internet cafes in Seoul i heard.
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On April 13 2005 14:34 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 14:07 The IA wrote:
Oov's the measuring stick because we're measuring boxer. We can't measure boxer against himself, dumbass. Funny how when Kingdom or Yellow or Reach > Boxer we don't say wow xxxx is gosu. All we say is T_T Boxer. Boxer is not a measuring stick because he isn't a top player anymore
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it must be tough to be a progamer
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Right at this moment, Boxer has been owning it up:
2-0 vs someone then 2-0 again vs Leg in Challenge league prelim, 2-0 in Challenge league, beating Junitoss and Zergman, and now will have a seat in the Dual league.
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Can anyone confirm what BinaryStar said?
**spoilers*
That Boxer just beat JulyZerg?
Aren't they supposed to play on saturday?
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haha none of you should worry about BOXER, he will be rich for the rest of his life for sure, with all his celebrityness he can earn money on anything.
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Ya, he can just sell boxers for that matter and still make a fortune.
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On April 13 2005 23:58 WickeD wrote:
That Boxer just beat JulyZerg?
Aren't they supposed to play on saturday?
That is probably wrong. Zergman and Julyzerg have the same (korean) name. Boxer defeated Zergman in Challenge League yesterday, not July.
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On April 13 2005 21:40 draeger wrote:
I hope they enjoy paying him to look pretty on posters and group photos because I do not expect him to have much more tv time than that. Yes he is a BW icon but at the same time, there is a problem when a player who is not even ranked in the top 10 in KESPA rankings is the highest payed player in the game.
Obviously it's tough to throw endless money at Julyzerg for being the top player right now because he's still relatively new to the leaderboard, but players such as oov and nada have both proven themselves time and time again over the last couple years where most of boxer's accomplishments have been insignificant.
Yeah man, second in starleague and getting into the MBC Starleague is insignifcant.
Give me a fucking break, the man is entitled to a slump every now and then, he qualified for what? 9 consecutive starleagues? No one has come close to that (which is one reason I always defend mumyung - he qualified again, and again, and again).
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On April 13 2005 15:22 tfeign wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 13:13 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Moltke, you are just being retarded now.
Sync is boxer's fucking nemesis, throughout the years sync has mostly come out on top.
Yellow EASY?! ADGYFY*I#
They are like 28-25 or something, yeah, REAL fucking easy.
Boxer didn't qualify for the last OSL, that's one.
Boxer qualified into every fucking OSL for like what? 2++ Years straight?
Boxer has won the KPGA, boxer has gotten third, boxer has won a couple of KOK (the MBC variety), boxer has won 2 WCGs, Boxer has won 2 OGN starleagues, BACK TO BACK, boxer has been in 5 finals, boxer came so incredibly fucking close to beating oov - had he scouted oov's hidden CC it would likely have been game - his wraiths turned away one inch out of vision.
Boxer has placed 3rd multiple times in OGN, top 8 even more.
NO ONE has been as consistant as him, EVER.
Go to away. Umm....Boxer may deserve all the $$ due to all the things he has accomplished, but Boxer DID have the easiest trip to the Ever OSL finals. Arguing against that is only rediculous. Out of all 8 players, boxer did faced 2 of the players that he would have a best shot against. Seriously, how can anyone argue that Boxer did not have the easiest OSL trip than his competitors? Would anyone put Sync and Yellow over as being better than JulyZerg, Xellos, Nada, Reach, or Iloveoov? 28-25 is hard? JTRNSG*Y%. That's more than 50% winning odds. If Boxer was up against JulyZerg, Xellos, Nada, Reach, or Iloveoov, he would have had anywhere between less to alot less than 50% odds of winning. Then Oov had the easiest way to the championship - he's way more than 50% winning vs Nada and Reach!
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On April 13 2005 21:40 draeger wrote:
I hope they enjoy paying him to look pretty on posters and group photos because I do not expect him to have much more tv time than that. Yes he is a BW icon but at the same time, there is a problem when a player who is not even ranked in the top 10 in KESPA rankings is the highest payed player in the game.
Anna Kornicova ring any bells
(probably spelled wrong...)
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FrozenArbeiter very gosu answer. GG
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On April 14 2005 05:29 Resonate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 21:40 draeger wrote:
I hope they enjoy paying him to look pretty on posters and group photos because I do not expect him to have much more tv time than that. Yes he is a BW icon but at the same time, there is a problem when a player who is not even ranked in the top 10 in KESPA rankings is the highest payed player in the game.
Anna Kornicova ring any bells (probably spelled wrong...)
So Boxer is the Anna Kournikova of Starcraft??? -_-;;;
Yuck~
I don't mind Boxer being the highest paid player though. Even though he has not been a top player recently, his name still commands respect in the national and international Starcraft community. He deserves it anyway (even though inside I think Yellow probably deserves it more =P)
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On April 14 2005 04:22 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 21:40 draeger wrote:
I hope they enjoy paying him to look pretty on posters and group photos because I do not expect him to have much more tv time than that. Yes he is a BW icon but at the same time, there is a problem when a player who is not even ranked in the top 10 in KESPA rankings is the highest payed player in the game.
Obviously it's tough to throw endless money at Julyzerg for being the top player right now because he's still relatively new to the leaderboard, but players such as oov and nada have both proven themselves time and time again over the last couple years where most of boxer's accomplishments have been insignificant. Yeah man, second in starleague and getting into the MBC Starleague is insignifcant.
Second in a starleague and simply qualifying for another league isn't that great when you look at the accomplishments of, say, Nada and oov. For your average progamer, doing both of those would be awesome but when you're the highest paid player in the game, shouldn't you expect more results?
Give me a fucking break, the man is entitled to a slump every now and then, he qualified for what? 9 consecutive starleagues? No one has come close to that (which is one reason I always defend mumyung - he qualified again, and again, and again).
You are entitled to slumps, but Boxer's slump has lasted (give or take) more than two years now. Just when you think he's completely washed up, he'll come out and win a game or two, but then he'll go right back to his regular pattern of being heavily challenged by low tier pros.
When I critcize him, I am not knocking his accomplishments or his past. He is, indeed, the most successful and dominant BW player of all time. However he continually proves to me that he really doesn't have what it takes anymore. He does have small periods of great play followed by a bunch of crap that makes me wonder if he has lost hope.
If you look at, for instance, professional baseball. Albert Pujols is not being paid $15 million a year to hit .250 with 10 home runs and 50 rbis. If he ever showed those kind of numbers, the team would attempt to get rid of his contract as quickly as possible. Professional atheletes/entertainers are only worth what their abilities show that they're worth. Which is why I said, I hope SKT1 is happy paying Boxer just to see his pretty face on tv because with the way he's playing right now, I doubt he'll ever be successful in the mainstream again.
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hahahah, mega company like SKT1 does not rely on bw progamers to make $$$$, If boxer get a contract for that much, there is something in him that SKT1 needs!
The main purpose is of course promote the brand of SKT1 through the popularity of boxer.
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Then Oov had the easiest way to the championship - he's way more than 50% winning vs Nada and Reach!
That's a very flawed way of reasoning. Oov has 50% or better odds vs just about everyone these days, whereas Boxer does not. Simply the reason being oov is more dominant than boxer these days. Did oov have it easier? Yes, but not because he got an easy draw. I don't think you can get a harder one than Nada and Reach.
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Sorry but I'm with Moltke on this one. I don't feel that Boxer does not deserve this because of his fundamental character as a person but his accomplishments have been spiraling down since 2002. You could say the same for NaDa in a way at least up until recently but NaDa is fairly consistent while Boxer is not.
Let's compare Boxer with NaDa and oov.
OSL Top 3 Finishes
1st 2nd 3rd
Boxer 2 3 1
NaDa 2 0 0
oov 1 0 1
Now, Boxer is fairly impressive with his standings in regard to top 3 finishes but most of these occurred between Early 2001 and Early 2003.
Here is a timeline now. 0 means didn't make it into the top 4 and a A means absent.
Again, accomplished but only in the early to middle parts.
Then there is MBC.
Here is accomplishments by top 3.
1st 2nd 3rd
Boxer 1 0 1
NaDa 3 3 1
oov 3 0 0
So obviously here Boxer is not accomplished much at all.
Unfortunately there isn't a detailed record readily available of players in the first 3 KPGA's (I don't remember either) so I can only go off of when it became MSL with absences.
Yes, Boxer also won WCG but that was 2001 and 2002. Again, three to four years ago.
And no I don't think Boxer's path to the finals of EVER was easy but I also do not think it was utterly hard either. For certain, Yellow is not an easy opponent but when you stack his performance against Boxer over the years then it becomes apparent that Boxer beating Yellow will not be a trying task. Sync hard? Boxer 2-0ed him back during KTF. I've never thought of Sync being a "nemesis" of Boxer's but maybe I'm wrong.
So in retrospect, congratulations to Boxer and I hope he enjoys his new salary!
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The one before Boxer's 2nd place should be an A, since he didn't qualify in Gilette OSL. I think.
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On April 14 2005 04:02 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2005 23:58 WickeD wrote:
That Boxer just beat JulyZerg?
Aren't they supposed to play on saturday? That is probably wrong. Zergman and Julyzerg have the same (korean) name. Boxer defeated Zergman in Challenge League yesterday, not July.
Ack, yeah, you're right.
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