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Interview of GoRush - Family is all my reasons.

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Emlary
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
China3334 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-14 13:55:18
March 14 2005 13:51 GMT
#1
Victory is everything, even if it means to faint during a match.

Foreword

"The Magician of Game Control" (hopefully you know what I mean), GoRush (Team GO), has finally climbed up to the top since the NHN OSL.

He does not have superb micro, nor jaw-dropping timing, but when it comes to the control of the pace of the game and the distribution of resources, Rush can always win the fans' hearts.

His most amazing accomplishment recently is defeating the genius Terran – NaDa (P&C) in the MSL Final. Also, he placed third in the IOPS OSL and Second in the KT-KTF League.
He has managed to be top four in all of the major events.

"How come I've never heard of this player before?" This question is frequently asked by those who have recently become GoRush's fans, and they are desperate to know how he manages to increase his fan-count seemingly endlessly. None of us really know what GoRush is really like - when interviewed, he is sometimes arrogant, sometimes polite; during the last Star League, he blatantly pointed out the mistakes made by the host (someone might want to elaborate on this). Before Team GO left for Thailand, I met GoRush, he smiled at me and said “Try to make me appear nice to the public".


Gaming as a Profession

It was 2001, when he was in Grade 10 (first year in high school), GoRush got his Plaque/Recognition Form from the Korean E-Sport Organization.

Actually, his gaming career started in year 2000. At that time, he practised with TheMarine, and his progression in Starcraft was astonishing.

"I wasn't that good in the beginning, but after six months, I suddenly felt that I was getting much better, I don't even know how that happened." After this sudden improvement, in his Grade 9 year, GoRush won many Starcraft competitions that were held by local Cafés. The most significant accomplishment was the one that was held by "Southern River" (some Korean name), where he defeated FreeMura, IntotheRain, VGundam, and Slayer_Boxer. Finally, he lost to [z-zone]Byun (currently the coach for Plus) and placed second. "It was that time, my coach asked me to join the team, and that's when I started my progaming career."


Retirement after the first victory of WCGC

After joining a proteam, GoRush's improvement was frightening. After allocating his practice Café, he wanted to give up his education because it was nearly impossible to be a student and a progamer at the same time. GoRush was indulged in the game, he finally gave up school. However, he won the WCGC that year and gained a lot of publicity.

"I almost got kicked out of the team because I gave up school. The financial manager told me: A gamer who gives up his education is not what we need, if you are really that confident (as in, to succeed in life without education), then prove it to me. I didn't want to bow down to him, so I practised over 50 games everyday, and finally won the WCGC."


Arduous decision: Going back to school

GoRush's suffering began at this time. Although he got sufficient encouragement from his parents to be a progamer, he wanted to go back to school. "School is an important part of growing up; I always felt that I was missing something inside. In the street, every time I saw students wearing school uniforms, I cried a little (actual translation: feeling exited in a negative way)." To prevent myself from regretting for the rest of my life, I made my decision. As well, his former school teachers and students further caused him wanting to return the school (meaning to be united with them). With the help of a teacher who collected every news detail about GoRush, GoRush finally returned to school.

Although he was one of the brightest new starts, GoRush resolutely and determinedly gave up gaming. "It felt great returning to school and spending time with my classmates. A lot of students who desire to become progamers give up their education to play the game, and I don't think that's a good idea. You cannot go back in time, and it is not worth it to give up life for an impulsive desire/goal.


Goal - Star League

Finishing 2-year high school study, GoRush came back to gaming in 2003. During his school days, he made every minutes of his spare time playing SC. Thus he caught up with progaming in a short time relatively, and the 1st major tournament he took was NHN OSL. He grew up very quickly, just awesome to everyone.

He said: In fact it's really tough for me to resume the seat. It's said that after the military service, one should retire from progaming. But my case was that though I left progaming for school two years, all I care for was nothing but SC.

Restarting his career in progaming, GoRush devoted all his live into games, he practised more than any others.

"I wanted to practise more and catch up with others, but things didn't work out like that." he said.

However, failure is the mother of success. "When I came up to the tournaments, I told myself, well, my winning ratio was less than 10%, why not just enjoy the games, no matter loss or victory? I lost tons of battles during the practice, but I made it in tournaments! Losing a lot in practice, I wasn't afraid of loss any more, so without any tension I could do better in real battles."


Never Stop Stepping Forward

Despite getting kicked out in the frist round several times, GoRush proved himself as one of the best gamers nowadays through Golf MSL, 2nd KT-KTF and IOPS OSL. People often remarked that his games were boring. But GoRush himself never minded. He was such emotional, cheering for his victories or getting angry for his losses. Some complained his arrogance in interviews, while he was careless about that and he aimed at the higher target.

He said: I'm not arrogant, maybe it seems like so. Because comparing to other gamers, I'm not very nervous in games; and I'm not a quick-tempered person. But I can't bear any defeat, even burst out anger, complaining people around me.


To Parents

All of his achievement is attributed to his parents. A kid without any life goal, what makes him so devoted into progaming is his family.

He said: well, I had never told anybody before, my parents are all the reasons of my hard working.

GoRush's family isn't rich. The cruelty of life wakes him up from his immature ideal, leading himto the direction he heads for.

He said: at that time the champ of WCGC was all I had, but one year ago I perceived my family wouldn't live a standard life if I didn't work hard.

Realizing that his parents put all their hope on him, GoRush roused up. He changed.

"I can't idle away the hours. Provided I just ended my career with a WCGC champ, what should I do? No, I can't!"

He was bent on dedicating himself into games, and he refused to be what others were. What he wanted were more practice.

"My parents taught me that victory is everything, even if it means to faint during a match."



Dad & Mum, the biggest fans of mine

"My father is a typical Korean, conservative, taciturn and testy. He used to be wrathful when hearing his son was going to be a progamer. That's true, I've experienced all these things which a progamer came across."(laughs)

He was caught by his father in the pc bang and beaten badly several times. However, his father changes his mind when GoRush did some achievement in some important tournaments. Now, his parents become his biggest fans.

"Dad knows far more than I know, let alone these matchups, he could illustrate everyting in games in detail. Now when I go home, there's no break for me to say something, he is talking talking and talking. Once he told me that I ought to train scrouges, OMG, I had nothing to respond."(laughs)


from www.fighterforum.com
and second translated from the Chinese version in www.playsc.com

Cambium did the first half(big thanks ) and I did the rest from "Goal - Star League", when gorush began kicking ass, so I own! hahaha...
No more SKT1, it's SKP2.
ihatett
Profile Joined January 2005
United States2289 Posts
March 14 2005 13:57 GMT
#2
Nice information there!

Let's hope he never faints on stage...

Nah, he wouldn't do that.
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Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
March 14 2005 14:06 GMT
#3
Great read, thanks for the translation.

I'm becoming a bigger and bigger fan of GoRush these days.

And everybody please refrain from commenting on the bit about physical abuse. It's just a cultural difference.
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nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
March 14 2005 14:25 GMT
#4
After watching GoRush in the All-Star exhibition matches I think hes gonna go far.
Thanks for the translation.
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danmooj1
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1855 Posts
March 14 2005 14:26 GMT
#5
On March 14 2005 23:06 Chris307 wrote:

I'm becoming a bigger and bigger fan of GoRush these days.
.


yeah same here

great translating!
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Caution
Profile Joined September 2004
2059 Posts
March 14 2005 15:14 GMT
#6
awesoem translation and a great read he didn't seem arrogant at all :D
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
March 14 2005 15:20 GMT
#7
Hah. His dad talks about Starcraft to him now TT Funny
Broom
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27135 Posts
March 14 2005 15:21 GMT
#8
Thanks a lot Cambium, and of course Emlary.. you're the best
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Lexus-Bug
Profile Joined January 2005
Vietnam104 Posts
March 14 2005 15:38 GMT
#9
sounds like an awesome dude
-_-
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
March 14 2005 15:39 GMT
#10
<3 emlary
!
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mrmin123 *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Korea (South)2971 Posts
March 14 2005 15:48 GMT
#11
great interview & translation.
Translator태양은 묘지위에 붉게 떠오르고 / 한낮에 찌는 더위는 나의 시련 일찌라!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia12958 Posts
March 14 2005 15:49 GMT
#12
He was caught by his father in the pc bang and beaten badly several times. However, his father changes his mind when GoRush did some achievement in some important tournaments. Now, his parents become his biggest fans.


Psycho dad :O
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
March 14 2005 15:54 GMT
#13
It's detailed enough to be his official biography. Some cool info in there. Nice job Cam and Em!
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mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
March 14 2005 16:03 GMT
#14
thx man
great translation and interview
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tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
March 14 2005 16:16 GMT
#15
In asia, a parents can mistreat a child all they want. The child will grow up and never have anything but good words to say for his parents.

Over here, the child would have grown up and say how he grew up with such a shitty family, with a father who always tried to hinder him from reaching his dreams, and how he is so glad that he's now proven him wrong.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-14 16:21:37
March 14 2005 16:21 GMT
#16
Quote:
He does not have superb micro, nor jaw-dropping timing


Weelll, ermm, yes, he does.

Very nice stuff anyway, thanks to Emlary/Cambium.
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SnZ
Profile Joined September 2004
Australia122 Posts
March 14 2005 16:42 GMT
#17
On March 15 2005 01:16 tfeign wrote:
In asia, a parents can mistreat a child all they want. The child will grow up and never have anything but good words to say for his parents.

Over here, the child would have grown up and say how he grew up with such a shitty family, with a father who always tried to hinder him from reaching his dreams, and how he is so glad that he's now proven him wrong.


The word "mistreat" seems out of place. It's called discipline. Most cultures value family as the most important thing in life. And parents do what they do to give thier children the best path in life...

Then you have the parents that take it too far and end up using thier children as punching bags. This is what you call mistreating children..

Other than that, nice read great job guys.
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HiFi
Profile Joined February 2004
United States518 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-14 16:48:10
March 14 2005 16:47 GMT
#18
great stuff, i'll watch every GoRush's VODs from now on.

I'm not very nervous in games; and I'm not a quick-tempered person. But I can't bear any defeat

remember when gorush lost to nada in game 5, he spitted out his frustration and his tongue was tasting the bitterness. you don't see much of gorush's emotion in game or in life, but you'll see it when he loses a match. interesting person.

EDIT: game 5 of IOPS, go watch the vod, it's fun.
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GG15-Style
Profile Joined September 2004
Panama593 Posts
March 14 2005 16:48 GMT
#19
gorush is da man
[GG]=best team ever
Teddy
Profile Joined March 2005
China31 Posts
March 14 2005 17:36 GMT
#20
thx,emlary,good information!

i hope GR could keep his best shape and get a champion(MBL or OSL) to reward his parents for their great supporting.
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cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
March 14 2005 17:43 GMT
#21
lets see... his father beats him on a regular basis and tell his top3 zerg in the world son to work on his scourge control.
sounds like a well rounded individual
Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
March 14 2005 17:44 GMT
#22
On March 15 2005 01:16 tfeign wrote:
In asia, a parents can mistreat a child all they want. The child will grow up and never have anything but good words to say for his parents.

Over here, the child would have grown up and say how he grew up with such a shitty family, with a father who always tried to hinder him from reaching his dreams, and how he is so glad that he's now proven him wrong.


If you were born and raised in the USA you call it "mistreatment." If you were born and raised in southeastern Asia you call it "discipline."

Abusing a child in the USA is a very bad parenting decision, but only because you're living within a culture that has collectively decided that hitting children is wrong, and the child will ultimately grow up with a feeling of separation from society, and resent you for it. Abusing a child in southeastern Asia does not have these same effects, because you'd be living in a culture that has accepted that form of discipline, and you can still feel acceptance within that society.

I can see up-sides to either disciplinary method.
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-14 18:16:22
March 14 2005 18:09 GMT
#23
On March 14 2005 23:06 Chris307 wrote:
And everybody please refrain from commenting on the bit about physical abuse. It's just a cultural difference.

The obscene stupidity embraced by your statement overwhelms me. Here are some more situations in which citing cultural differences can excuse morally repugnant behavior:
-Slavery
-The Holocaust
-Infanticide
-Cannibalism
-Witch Hunts
-Feeding prisoners to lions
-Systematic Spousal Abuse
These are all practices specific to culture, and thus cannot be criticized.

Anyways, I wouldn't have commented on it but you just had to say something really dumb.
PS - <3 GoRush
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~GoNe~
Profile Joined October 2004
France36 Posts
March 14 2005 18:38 GMT
#24
Really nice interview. Interesting in several points!
Thanks for the translation!!!!
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
March 14 2005 18:45 GMT
#25
On March 15 2005 00:49 RowdierBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
He was caught by his father in the pc bang and beaten badly several times. However, his father changes his mind when GoRush did some achievement in some important tournaments. Now, his parents become his biggest fans.


Psycho dad :O


Unfortunately this is not psycho, it's normal lol.
cacat
Profile Joined December 2004
Korea (South)28 Posts
March 14 2005 18:52 GMT
#26
I'm not sure what others think.. but i think growing up under some beating from the parents is a good thing..
I've lived like that also.. i'd be beaten when i do something wrong and i'd hate my dad for that when i was young... but now i feel thankful that he'd beat me when i did something wrong, coz children never learn by just telling them what to do.
The korean kids these days grow up without much or any beating, so they never behave which makes them the so-called 'public enemy' in korea -_-
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
March 14 2005 18:59 GMT
#27
cool! thanks!
River me timbers.
DuSkie
Profile Joined November 2004
Czech Republic451 Posts
March 14 2005 19:06 GMT
#28
that part with parents is best, why dont they understand that on the beggining? ~_~
roMAD
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Russia2355 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-14 19:17:29
March 14 2005 19:14 GMT
#29
GoRush is awesome guy! I've talked with him sometimes, he acted very polite and funny

And big thx to Emlary and Cambium
Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
March 14 2005 19:22 GMT
#30
On March 15 2005 03:09 HeadBangaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2005 23:06 Chris307 wrote:
And everybody please refrain from commenting on the bit about physical abuse. It's just a cultural difference.

The obscene stupidity embraced by your statement overwhelms me. Here are some more situations in which citing cultural differences can excuse morally repugnant behavior:
-Slavery
-The Holocaust
-Infanticide
-Cannibalism
-Witch Hunts
-Feeding prisoners to lions
-Systematic Spousal Abuse
These are all practices specific to culture, and thus cannot be criticized.

Anyways, I wouldn't have commented on it but you just had to say something really dumb.
PS - <3 GoRush


You've taken my statements completely out of context, and used your own misconception to compare the simple act of physically disciplining one child, to systematically murdering an entire race of people?
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
March 14 2005 19:23 GMT
#31
Cool biography, enjoyed very mucho. Interesting bit about going back to school
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gulii
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden2791 Posts
March 14 2005 19:32 GMT
#32
"Once he told me that I ought to train scrouges, OMG, I had nothing to respond"

haha that was fun ! good interview GG
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-14 19:53:11
March 14 2005 19:50 GMT
#33
On March 14 2005 23:06 Chris307 wrote:
Great read, thanks for the translation.

I'm becoming a bigger and bigger fan of GoRush these days.

And everybody please refrain from commenting on the bit about physical abuse. It's just a cultural difference.

You can still think it's wrong =]

Thanks for the interview =]
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Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
March 14 2005 19:53 GMT
#34
On March 15 2005 04:50 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2005 23:06 Chris307 wrote:
Great read, thanks for the translation.

I'm becoming a bigger and bigger fan of GoRush these days.

And everybody please refrain from commenting on the bit about physical abuse. It's just a cultural difference.

You can still think it's wrong =]


Of course you can.

I was merely attempting to keep this GoRush Interview thread from becoming a child psychology thread. Obviously I've failed.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
March 14 2005 20:27 GMT
#35
^^
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-14 20:35:40
March 14 2005 20:35 GMT
#36
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When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
MaTRiX[SiN]
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden1282 Posts
March 14 2005 21:57 GMT
#37
On March 15 2005 03:52 cacat wrote:
I'm not sure what others think.. but i think growing up under some beating from the parents is a good thing..
I've lived like that also.. i'd be beaten when i do something wrong and i'd hate my dad for that when i was young... but now i feel thankful that he'd beat me when i did something wrong, coz children never learn by just telling them what to do.
The korean kids these days grow up without much or any beating, so they never behave which makes them the so-called 'public enemy' in korea -_-
I've never been beaten by my parents nor has anyone I know but I can agree to what ur saying to some extent...some children just dont give a shit about what there parents think cause they know they arent really going to get punished for it ..
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9945 Posts
March 14 2005 22:00 GMT
#38
This makes the TL.Net community all worthwhile
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EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
March 14 2005 22:19 GMT
#39
I'm just glad my father doesn't beat me for playing starcraft. Sheesh, I'd move out asap if that shit started happening.
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Fayth[pG]
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada1093 Posts
March 14 2005 22:37 GMT
#40
train your scourges son!
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pinbaLL
Profile Joined March 2004
Sweden1711 Posts
March 14 2005 22:46 GMT
#41
Omg his parents should be shot :/
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aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3972 Posts
March 14 2005 23:09 GMT
#42
I support parents being allowed to hit their children.
I was hit very rarely when i was a kid (like 10 times all my life) but i actually feel that that my parent used this to mark the borders of how far i could go, rather than being angry at me or something.

It should be the parents' responsibility to use force in the correct way.
I do notice nowadays that twelve year olds think nothing can hurt them, since they don't know the FORCE

Obviously, this article can express my opinion better than i can:
http://www.maddox.xmission.com/beat.html

Oh, and GoRush is art. I remember never having heard of him when he played the WCG, and had already forgotten about him until he suddenly returned.
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
March 14 2005 23:49 GMT
#43
right after i watched a few replays of Reach I stood this guy out, and that makes it the first time I do that for a z player. I really love his play. great interview!
ihatett
Profile Joined January 2005
United States2289 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-15 00:22:44
March 15 2005 00:21 GMT
#44
Just because another culture thinks something is OK doesn't make it so, but in this case it is.
I love Protoss because it is tough and straight. Protoss is the race for men.
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Profile Joined July 2003
United States3256 Posts
March 15 2005 01:09 GMT
#45
Gotta love this pic:

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Brazil3143 Posts
March 15 2005 01:16 GMT
#46
"Once he told me that I ought to train scrouges"
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Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
March 15 2005 01:23 GMT
#47
On March 15 2005 01:47 HiFi wrote:
great stuff, i'll watch every GoRush's VODs from now on.

Show nested quote +
I'm not very nervous in games; and I'm not a quick-tempered person. But I can't bear any defeat

remember when gorush lost to nada in game 5, he spitted out his frustration and his tongue was tasting the bitterness. you don't see much of gorush's emotion in game or in life, but you'll see it when he loses a match. interesting person.

EDIT: game 5 of IOPS, go watch the vod, it's fun.



haha thats funny i remember nada crushing gorush 3-0 before they could play games 4+5

heh just a correction, but gorush is cool

thx for translating
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sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
March 15 2005 02:23 GMT
#48
Really great interview.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27135 Posts
March 15 2005 03:02 GMT
#49
Please do not turn this into a child beating debate, and keep it on topic. This will prevent people like HeadBangaa from posting their thoughts and making me tremendously angry by their stupidity.


It is a feel good story I think, because now GoRush can help support his family, as well as open up other opportunities for himself in the future. Also, I like watching a player that shows a little emotion when they play Adds a little drama to the event that you don't get with ol' stoney face.
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SainT
Profile Joined February 2005
Chile1067 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-15 03:04:23
March 15 2005 03:03 GMT
#50
Great Guys, GJ Emlary
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I don't think his parents should get shot at all, i mean thei support him, best fans ever
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iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-15 04:05:10
March 15 2005 04:03 GMT
#51
On March 15 2005 07:46 pinbaLL wrote:
Omg his parents should be shot :/


Please read Chris307's comments and pay attention to Manifesto7's post. Is it so hard to respect a different race's values?

And thanks for the interview, Emlary!
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pinbaLL
Profile Joined March 2004
Sweden1711 Posts
March 15 2005 04:13 GMT
#52
On March 15 2005 13:03 iamke55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 07:46 pinbaLL wrote:
Omg his parents should be shot :/


Please read Chris307's comments and pay attention to Manifesto7's post. Is it so hard to respect a different race's values?

And thanks for the interview, Emlary!

I wrote that just after reading the interview, whithout having read any comments. Anyway, it seems like more people than reacted the same way, but I guess that its a topic for the general forum if people want to discuss that.
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ihatett
Profile Joined January 2005
United States2289 Posts
March 15 2005 04:52 GMT
#53
On March 15 2005 13:03 iamke55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 07:46 pinbaLL wrote:
Omg his parents should be shot :/


Please read Chris307's comments and pay attention to Manifesto7's post. Is it so hard to respect a different race's values?

And thanks for the interview, Emlary!


You mean culture, not race. >.<

In some cultures women have no rights. Do you respect that?
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Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
March 15 2005 05:12 GMT
#54
Rights by definition is something everyone ought to have. Therefore, that is just wrong.
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
March 15 2005 05:55 GMT
#55
On March 15 2005 04:22 Chris307 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 03:09 HeadBangaa wrote:
On March 14 2005 23:06 Chris307 wrote:
And everybody please refrain from commenting on the bit about physical abuse. It's just a cultural difference.

The obscene stupidity embraced by your statement overwhelms me. Here are some more situations in which citing cultural differences can excuse morally repugnant behavior:
-Slavery
-The Holocaust
-Infanticide
-Cannibalism
-Witch Hunts
-Feeding prisoners to lions
-Systematic Spousal Abuse
These are all practices specific to culture, and thus cannot be criticized.

Anyways, I wouldn't have commented on it but you just had to say something really dumb.
PS - <3 GoRush


You've taken my statements completely out of context, and used your own misconception to compare the simple act of physically disciplining one child, to systematically murdering an entire race of people?

I did not compare beating a child to anything. I pointed out that cultural context can be used to shrug off all sorts of cruel acts.
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-15 06:04:18
March 15 2005 06:00 GMT
#56
On March 15 2005 12:02 Manifesto7 wrote:
Please do not turn this into a child beating debate, and keep it on topic. This will prevent people like HeadBangaa from posting their thoughts and making me tremendously angry by their stupidity.

I didn't mean to turn it into a debate, I just get upset when people defend outrageous behavior on such a weak premise... are you saying you actually don't see anything wrong with it? :O
Oh and don't single me out, plenty feel the same way I do, mani

EDIT: sorry double post
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SiS
Profile Joined June 2004
United States753 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-15 06:05:23
March 15 2005 06:04 GMT
#57
And at the same time, he's asking if you really do see anything wrong with it

We all have different opinions on the matter, get over it

thanks to Emlary for the interview, and its amazing he beat both Boxer and FreeMura back in the day
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-15 06:30:16
March 15 2005 06:30 GMT
#58
This reminds me of that article posted a while back where the parents hit their kids with hammers and pulled out their nails with pliers. (this discussion, not gorush's dad, lol)
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Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
March 15 2005 06:41 GMT
#59
On March 15 2005 15:00 HeadBangaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 12:02 Manifesto7 wrote:
Please do not turn this into a child beating debate, and keep it on topic. This will prevent people like HeadBangaa from posting their thoughts and making me tremendously angry by their stupidity.

I didn't mean to turn it into a debate, I just get upset when people defend outrageous behavior on such a weak premise... are you saying you actually don't see anything wrong with it? :O
Oh and don't single me out, plenty feel the same way I do, mani

EDIT: sorry double post


I condone it, if used in moderation.

Some kids are so whiny and bitchy they deserve a good ass whooping.
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Gryffindor_us
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States5606 Posts
March 15 2005 06:42 GMT
#60
I read a book which had a funny quote from China (Don't know if it's really from China but it's still funny).

Beat your kid everyday, if you don't know why, he will.

;p
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bburn
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1039 Posts
March 15 2005 06:53 GMT
#61
On March 15 2005 08:09 aseq wrote:
I support parents being allowed to hit their children.
I was hit very rarely when i was a kid (like 10 times all my life) but i actually feel that that my parent used this to mark the borders of how far i could go, rather than being angry at me or something.

It should be the parents' responsibility to use force in the correct way.
I do notice nowadays that twelve year olds think nothing can hurt them, since they don't know the FORCE

Obviously, this article can express my opinion better than i can:
http://www.maddox.xmission.com/beat.html

Oh, and GoRush is art. I remember never having heard of him when he played the WCG, and had already forgotten about him until he suddenly returned.

Agreed, America would be a much better place of some parents would give there children the boot in the ass they need and deserve.
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ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
March 15 2005 07:08 GMT
#62
Thank you, Cambium and Emlary!

Interesting philosophy discussion about the beating of children going on in this thread!
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
March 15 2005 07:16 GMT
#63
Thx for the translation, I have been a fan of gorush play since 2001. Nice read ect...
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Make7UpYours
Profile Joined October 2003
893 Posts
March 15 2005 09:49 GMT
#64
On March 15 2005 10:23 Locked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 01:47 HiFi wrote:
great stuff, i'll watch every GoRush's VODs from now on.

I'm not very nervous in games; and I'm not a quick-tempered person. But I can't bear any defeat

remember when gorush lost to nada in game 5, he spitted out his frustration and his tongue was tasting the bitterness. you don't see much of gorush's emotion in game or in life, but you'll see it when he loses a match. interesting person.

EDIT: game 5 of IOPS, go watch the vod, it's fun.



haha thats funny i remember nada crushing gorush 3-0 before they could play games 4+5

heh just a correction, but gorush is cool

thx for translating


Maybe Nada crushed GoRush 3-0 in some other series but in IOPS semifinal they played all five games. GoRush led 2-0 and then Nada came roaring back with a 3-0 sweep.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
March 15 2005 10:13 GMT
#65
On March 15 2005 10:23 Locked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 01:47 HiFi wrote:
great stuff, i'll watch every GoRush's VODs from now on.

I'm not very nervous in games; and I'm not a quick-tempered person. But I can't bear any defeat

remember when gorush lost to nada in game 5, he spitted out his frustration and his tongue was tasting the bitterness. you don't see much of gorush's emotion in game or in life, but you'll see it when he loses a match. interesting person.

EDIT: game 5 of IOPS, go watch the vod, it's fun.



haha thats funny i remember nada crushing gorush 3-0 before they could play games 4+5

heh just a correction, but gorush is cool

thx for translating


No, Gorush nearly 3-0'd nada, but nada made a nice comeback in game 3 and was in control the rest of the series.
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GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
March 15 2005 10:17 GMT
#66
Thanks for the interview! Was a nice read.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
March 15 2005 10:18 GMT
#67
Nicely read, thanks a lot

GoRush is my new hero.
Hot77.iEy
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Finland1486 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-15 10:51:23
March 15 2005 10:45 GMT
#68
If an american beats his kids they run away from home to the nearest crack house.
If an asian beats his kids they learn discipline and respect.

(Just an aggravated example. No need to take it word by word.)
-.-
itzme_petey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1400 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-15 11:01:20
March 15 2005 10:59 GMT
#69
I dont understand the part about "fainting" in order to win. I understood it as, "I will do anything to win, even to faint and get a draw inorder to replay the game." Did i read it incorrectly? Or does he mean, work really hard until he faints? Seems kind of unethical in my opinion and quite unsportsmanship like. Good interview though :D.
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
March 15 2005 11:00 GMT
#70
dont think you should take it too literally. I think he just means working really hard, as in he's willing to work until he faints
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-15 11:02:14
March 15 2005 11:02 GMT
#71
On March 15 2005 19:59 itzme_petey wrote:
I dont understand the part about "fainting" in order to win. I understood it as, "I will do anything to win, even to faint and get a draw inorder to replay the game." Did i read it incorrectly? Or does he mean, work really hard until he faints?


You faint when you work too hard (common figure of speech in Asian languages).
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia12958 Posts
March 15 2005 11:10 GMT
#72
There's a difference between smacking a child and "badly beating" them.

The latter is not cool. I don't care how good you think it is for the child.
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itzme_petey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1400 Posts
March 16 2005 05:00 GMT
#73
On March 15 2005 20:02 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 19:59 itzme_petey wrote:
I dont understand the part about "fainting" in order to win. I understood it as, "I will do anything to win, even to faint and get a draw inorder to replay the game." Did i read it incorrectly? Or does he mean, work really hard until he faints?


You faint when you work too hard (common figure of speech in Asian languages).


ahhhh i knew i was wrong, thnx for correction. XD
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ShinjiML
Profile Joined November 2003
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-16 06:28:56
March 16 2005 06:21 GMT
#74
I definately like GoRush's spirit =) It's great to see someone who plays with heart and purpose.
ShinjiML
Profile Joined November 2003
United States49 Posts
March 16 2005 06:24 GMT
#75
Parents beating their children is a very common and natural occurance in Asian societies, infact in Asian countries, corporal punishment is used by teachers on their students. So, a father beating his son is nothing strange in Asia. People in Western countries may find it strange because their laws are much more protective of children.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10533 Posts
March 16 2005 06:25 GMT
#76
On March 16 2005 14:00 itzme_petey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 20:02 Cambium wrote:
On March 15 2005 19:59 itzme_petey wrote:
I dont understand the part about "fainting" in order to win. I understood it as, "I will do anything to win, even to faint and get a draw inorder to replay the game." Did i read it incorrectly? Or does he mean, work really hard until he faints?


You faint when you work too hard (common figure of speech in Asian languages).


ahhhh i knew i was wrong, thnx for correction. XD

i tought the same thing, i was like "omg gorush is so bm" >.<
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ShinjiML
Profile Joined November 2003
United States49 Posts
March 16 2005 06:27 GMT
#77
On March 15 2005 13:52 ihatett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 13:03 iamke55 wrote:
On March 15 2005 07:46 pinbaLL wrote:
Omg his parents should be shot :/


Please read Chris307's comments and pay attention to Manifesto7's post. Is it so hard to respect a different race's values?

And thanks for the interview, Emlary!


You mean culture, not race. >.<

In some cultures women have no rights. Do you respect that?


That's another cultural thing, personally, I like equality, but to people of other culture, what we do here in the US, such as giving men and women equal rights, may be absolutely shocking. You can't really impose your standards on other cultures. To us it might seem really awful, but to them, it's perfectly natural.
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