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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
October 29 2010 07:16 GMT
#101
Hi I've been looking at some of my old reps and noticed only half of them work, the others will cause bwrepinfo to crash. All of these reps are 1.16.1 and I can't seem to find a common trend in the crashing replays, seems totally random. Anyone else having this problem?
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sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
October 29 2010 07:34 GMT
#102
It happens every so often, I've found no fix. Also the algorithm for this program is pretty old and its not so good at gauging effective actions very well when it comes to micro apm. I wouldn't particularly recommend this program anymore.
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
October 29 2010 07:50 GMT
#103
Yeah unfortunately its the only one that does EAPM as bwchart only does full apm .
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
October 29 2010 07:58 GMT
#104
I think the updated BW chart does do eAPM? I remember being able to see mine somewhere.
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sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
October 29 2010 10:16 GMT
#105
On October 29 2010 16:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think the updated BW chart does do eAPM? I remember being able to see mine somewhere.


If this is the case, I'm not aware of it. The problem with Eapm is that often things done too close together or too frequently are disregarded when they're actually micro (lots of fast actions in small area). I mean... just to give you an idea, according to this old algorithm, Jaedong/FlaSh/Leta/Free/St0rk/Bisu (those are just the reps I tested) are all about 40-45% spam in their games. I think this to be highly unlikely.
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meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
October 29 2010 10:55 GMT
#106
Peculiar. I don't think bwrepinfow ever crashed on me.. bwchart crashes frequently, though. Yeah, EAPM is not perfect, but it's all we got right now..
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Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
October 29 2010 12:32 GMT
#107
bwrepinfo works fine for me, I did recently have some reps being wweird with autosave though, where they say they only work with starcraft expansion, even though I saved them on bw, and try watching them on bw.

Also Flash vs JD comes out like 20-30% redundancy, but given I'd say the program has a 10% error margin they're fine?

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Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
October 29 2010 13:00 GMT
#108
On October 29 2010 19:16 Diminotoor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 16:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think the updated BW chart does do eAPM? I remember being able to see mine somewhere.


If this is the case, I'm not aware of it. The problem with Eapm is that often things done too close together or too frequently are disregarded when they're actually micro (lots of fast actions in small area). I mean... just to give you an idea, according to this old algorithm, Jaedong/FlaSh/Leta/Free/St0rk/Bisu (those are just the reps I tested) are all about 40-45% spam in their games. I think this to be highly unlikely.


what replay did u watch? Oo
i cant remember any rep of flash or bisu where they were spamming. Then again, i didnt have many reps of them. t.t But they used to have like 25% redundancy which is really low.
But Jaedong is a spammer, no doubt about it. Like Nada and probably Julyzerg too, these 400 APM dont mean he is playing with 300 EAPM. Afair all 3 of them had pretty much the same EAPM as everyone else at that time
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We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
October 29 2010 13:07 GMT
#109
On October 29 2010 22:00 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 19:16 Diminotoor wrote:
On October 29 2010 16:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think the updated BW chart does do eAPM? I remember being able to see mine somewhere.


If this is the case, I'm not aware of it. The problem with Eapm is that often things done too close together or too frequently are disregarded when they're actually micro (lots of fast actions in small area). I mean... just to give you an idea, according to this old algorithm, Jaedong/FlaSh/Leta/Free/St0rk/Bisu (those are just the reps I tested) are all about 40-45% spam in their games. I think this to be highly unlikely.


what replay did u watch? Oo
i cant remember any rep of flash or bisu where they were spamming. Then again, i didnt have many reps of them. t.t But they used to have like 25% redundancy which is really low.
But Jaedong is a spammer, no doubt about it. Like Nada and probably Julyzerg too, these 400 APM dont mean he is playing with 300 EAPM. Afair all 3 of them had pretty much the same EAPM as everyone else at that time
jaedong only really spams early game from what i seen on vods. also his apm drops after the early stages to low 300s, so i dont think he is that much of a spammer. nada on the other hand spams ALL game =o
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Dakota_Fanning *
Profile Joined January 2008
Hungary2366 Posts
October 29 2010 14:13 GMT
#110
On October 29 2010 16:50 Microlisk wrote:
Yeah unfortunately its the only one that does EAPM as bwchart only does full apm .

BWHF Agent also has EAPM feature. It shows both APM and EAPM on the same chart.
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Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
October 29 2010 16:54 GMT
#111
On October 29 2010 23:13 Dakota_Fanning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 16:50 Microlisk wrote:
Yeah unfortunately its the only one that does EAPM as bwchart only does full apm .

BWHF Agent also has EAPM feature. It shows both APM and EAPM on the same chart.

True, but so does bwrepinfo, no idea what the other person was talking about :p
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sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
October 29 2010 23:58 GMT
#112
On October 29 2010 21:32 Armathai wrote:
Also Flash vs JD comes out like 20-30% redundancy, but given I'd say the program has a 10% error margin they're fine?


That's too small of a sample size to be deemed a general trend. My sample size is about 100 reps. Much more reliable of an idea of what's really going on. I think it has at least a 10% margin, maybe more.

On October 29 2010 22:00 Djin)ftw( wrote:
what replay did u watch? Oo
i cant remember any rep of flash or bisu where they were spamming. Then again, i didnt have many reps of them. t.t But they used to have like 25% redundancy which is really low.


I have many many reps of both. FlaSh varies between 25-40% redundancy. (higher-percent rep examples are FlaSh vs 815, FlaSh vs Tempest)ls(, and FlaSh vs Sea.GuemChi). Bisu also varies greatly between 25-40% (high-percent rep examples are Bisu vs SangHo, Bisu vs Hyuk game 2, Bisu vs Leta). Jaedong reps turn up the same results. I'm not sure if you guys just don't have a large samples size or something but I'm running off around 100 sample pro-reps. I just can't believe they're like 40% spam, it all seems necessary.

On October 29 2010 22:00 Djin)ftw( wrote:But Jaedong is a spammer, no doubt about it. Like Nada and probably Julyzerg too, these 400 APM dont mean he is playing with 300 EAPM. Afair all 3 of them had pretty much the same EAPM as everyone else at that time


Look at all the top progamers. During the middle of battles, they're usually locked in around 300EAPM with spikes as high as 370EAPM at times in 1 decisive moment.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
October 30 2010 00:14 GMT
#113
isnt this called CPM? where Commands per minute which excludes selecting the unit / control group.
i dunno lol
WhuazGoodJaggah
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Lesotho777 Posts
October 30 2010 02:36 GMT
#114
bwrepinfo has a specific problem with zerg macro. If you select a hatchery with a hotkey f.e. 5 and the select larva the build lings the actions look something like this:

select 5
select 1234,5678,9012 (3 larva IDs)
morph lings

those 2 selects are looked at as 1 unnecessary select, select without subsequent order or something like this.

I once wrote a post in a thread regaring ret's eapm where he asked why he has so much spam. There should be a better explanation of the eapm problems.
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-30 03:00:03
October 30 2010 02:59 GMT
#115
On April 01 2010 00:31 AmstAff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 00:52 youlijp wrote:
is there any programming language called c+? afaik, it's either c, c# or c++.
oh well... he is probably referring to c++..


WOW thats a good reason to bump this thread again, a 5 years old thread. seriously WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?


This bump reminded me how much of a dick this dude used to be
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
January 09 2016 13:42 GMT
#116
is there any way I can downlaoad this now or other way to measure eapm in BW? the dl links are mostly dead
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zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-09 15:50:22
January 09 2016 15:48 GMT
#117
On January 09 2016 22:42 LemOn wrote:
is there any way I can downlaoad this now or other way to measure eapm in BW? the dl links are mostly dead

https://www.sendspace.com/file/6ehgz2

i also have a bwrepinfow.dat file but i don't know what is dat

and btw the download links work fine on the site.
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TL+ Member
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10708 Posts
January 09 2016 16:32 GMT
#118
Really sweet, thanks for sharing!
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
January 09 2016 19:45 GMT
#119
wawaweewa
After 6 years of inactivity my EAPM is still around 120, thank you very much for upload. Now where's the best place to get replays these days? Can't see the section on TL anymore
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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2609 Posts
January 09 2016 19:59 GMT
#120
http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/replays.html

Is the best ressource for replays nowadays
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
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