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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 18 2011 03:24 GMT
#41
On May 18 2011 12:02 icystorage wrote:
pick a favorite player and root for their team team and root for their players!
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 18 2011 03:33 GMT
#42
On May 18 2011 12:24 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:02 icystorage wrote:
pick a favorite player and root for their team team and root for their players!

i initially rooted for leta before rooting OGN :3
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Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
May 18 2011 03:40 GMT
#43
Watching the BW streams is probably the best way to get familiar with BW. Unlike the popular sc2 ones, there isnt 10000 ppl spamming in the chat so its actually possible to hold a conversation with the other viewers on whats happening and stuff.
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red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 18 2011 03:44 GMT
#44
To maximize your brood war experience, I must absolutely recommend reading the articles in the final edits section of brood war http://www.teamliquid.net/tlfe/ (ignore the troll-ish "elephant in the room" article). These are amazingly well written articles, on par with what you would find in magazines, about various topics (history, strategies, retrospectives) that really help you understand who these Korean gosus are and why rooting for them is so personal.

My favorites
The Ultimate Weapon (Flash)
Heir Apparent (Jaedong and Savior)
Revolutionary Magic (Bisu)
End of the Line (KT Rolster proleague team)
On Waxen Wings (about the term 'bonjwa'. Out of date since Flash became one but still a great read nonetheless)
On the Shoulders of Giants (TL writers with links to some of their best works)
Since you're from an SC2 background you'll probably like this article by day9. Terran Revolutionist (Fantasy's TvZ Mech 'revolution')

BlackMesa
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Kenya338 Posts
May 18 2011 03:49 GMT
#45
You should definitely start by watching english commentary if you never had any experience, If you go straight into raw games, it'll be hard to understand the game flow.
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
May 18 2011 04:21 GMT
#46
On May 18 2011 12:33 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:24 moopie wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:02 icystorage wrote:
pick a favorite player and root for their team team and root for their players!

i initially rooted for leta before rooting OGN :3

'
If you don't know anyone, you might accidentally start rooting for someone like odin. You don't need to root for TBLS, but it's no fun if you root for a player that rides the pine far more than he plays. All of the teams, good or bad, will at least be out there to root for.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 18 2011 04:37 GMT
#47
On May 18 2011 13:21 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:33 icystorage wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:24 moopie wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:02 icystorage wrote:
pick a favorite player and root for their team team and root for their players!

i initially rooted for leta before rooting OGN :3

'
If you don't know anyone, you might accidentally start rooting for someone like odin. You don't need to root for TBLS, but it's no fun if you root for a player that rides the pine far more than he plays. All of the teams, good or bad, will at least be out there to root for.


I actually first read Dr.Helvetica's great write-up about Leta and still remember how he came back from behind against Guemchi in Tau Cross and became his fan <3

my point is that rooting first for a player then his team really worked for me (just like me rooting for brandon roy then the blazers)
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eton7410
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada261 Posts
May 18 2011 05:21 GMT
#48
There is proleague right now
You can come to my stream right now and watch KT vs Khan right now

http://www.livestream.com/flashisop
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TheFrankOne
Profile Joined December 2010
United States667 Posts
May 18 2011 05:25 GMT
#49
I wanted to say thanks to everybody in the thread, I've wondered about checking out BW many times. I am going to do so tonight, yay!
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
May 18 2011 05:40 GMT
#50
This thread (self-promotion disclaimer: I started the thread, but many others contributed) has some good, exciting games in it. The ones in the "archived" spoiler might be a good place to start, or you might want to watch some of the ones with English commentary. (IMO, Cholera is almost the only English commentator I can stand at all--Tasteless/Artosis/Chill/Day[9] excepted--but if you're new to the game then really any English commentary is all right, and better than nothing.)
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epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
May 18 2011 06:01 GMT
#51
youtube.com/nevake definitely keeps up the fastest and has almost every progame within the past few years. HuskyStarCraft got me into playing StarCraft and understanding how eSports worked, but unfortunately Youtube had all his BW-related videos removed.

Firstly though, make sure you understand all the BW units and most of the fundamentals of each matchup. Know the basics, you should give us how much information you know about BW, for example that TvP is mainly tank-vulture against zealot-dragoon.

Day9tv.blip.tv has a lot of casted BW games and analysis (before #100ish).
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
May 18 2011 06:08 GMT
#52
I think everyone is missing something quite important IMO.
I think you can only appreciate BW to the fullest only if you played it at least once. You are not going to appreciate all the things that the pros are pulling off with such aplomb until you tried it yourself.

That's why it's so popular in korea. Virtually everyone under 30 yrs of age (males AND females) have played BW at least once and know the basics and can appreciate it.
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Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
May 18 2011 06:10 GMT
#53
^I stated it later down on the first page,

I finished the campaign of vanilla SC and BW, and LANd with mates regularly 3 years ago.
savior & jaedong
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
May 18 2011 06:22 GMT
#54
I personally have Liquipedia to thank for getting me back into Broodwar post-Boxer v oov. I stopped watching BW because of that, then got back into it after the 6 dragons era. Lots of stuff to read and watch there - pretty underrated sometimes in terms of educating yourself on the game.
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
May 18 2011 06:22 GMT
#55
i really urge you to not pick a team or player based on what you read about them, then base your rooting off that. i strongly believe the best fan experience comes from watching, then choosing after a short time.
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
May 18 2011 06:36 GMT
#56
On May 18 2011 15:22 Antoine wrote:
i really urge you to not pick a team or player based on what you read about them, then base your rooting off that. i strongly believe the best fan experience comes from watching, then choosing after a short time.


While I agree with this, reading up on the legends who are now either retired, slumping, or still active (such as Midas/Iris) or even barely playing (Anytime/Reach/Yellow) can make you a big fan of them and root for them when they do play. I missed Iris' prime, in particular, but because of all the great things I've read about him and the fact that I watched several awesome games with him in it (series vs GGplay, Savior, and Bisu), he's one of the people I root for against 90% of the current young talent in the scene.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
July 31 2011 22:02 GMT
#57
Hi all!

Just wanted to update everyone on how I've been going.

I was reading through the "Whats with the Hostility?" thread and yeesh there's quite a lot of hating going on in there. I came to the BW forums with my head down and with a humble mindset and a lot of what the BW people are saying are right.. It makes me go =.= whenever I see a SC2 player say "BW is dead."

Anyways, nowadays I watch a lot of BW games off nevake on youtube and my favourite player to watch is Savior with Jaedong being 2nd =)

savior & jaedong
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
July 31 2011 22:11 GMT
#58
Check out sayle's stream right now:
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Sayle
It's the Ribbon classic tournament going on:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234923
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micromegas
Profile Joined November 2008
Denmark171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-31 22:42:36
July 31 2011 22:42 GMT
#59
On May 18 2011 10:38 sheaRZerg wrote:
Oh also...seeing as you are familiar with SC2 you have probably heard of the infamous Day[9]...

Once upon a time he did his dailies about professional brood war games, and I have always been a fan of his analysis...The games are somewhat dated by now, so I guess its up to you.

link
Scroll down to find the older, pre-SC2 ones.

I very much miss his broodwar commentary.


Just to follow up on that - I thought his analysis of Nada vs Bisu was useful (a game from 2009 if I remember correctly) even though it's dated. He talks a lot about basic unit placement and composition, long-term map control, macro choices and so forth, and seeing as TvP might be the match-up that's undergone the least change (someone please take me up on that if you'd like), it's still a useful VOD in many respects. And I think he had a much 'calmer' approach to games back then - which might or might not have something to do with he BW-SC2 transition, but regardless, more of a serene tone I'd say.
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yeti
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States259 Posts
August 01 2011 01:57 GMT
#60
After you get used to the "standard" game, check out this thread for cool and unusual games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197538
The top 5 reasons I prefer BW to SC2 can be found in these games.
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