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[Interview] MSL Ro16:Day1

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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 13:39:24
January 06 2011 10:50 GMT
#1
Done with all four!

Winner of (Z)great vs (Z)Action
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(Z)great!
'I feel like my muta-micro has finally reached the level of a progamer'

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On January 6th, (Z)great(Samsung Khan) defeated (Z)Action(KT) during the PDPop MSL 2010 Ro16:Day1, held at the Munlae Hero Center.

Great showed great mutalisk micro and crushed Action. After stating that he is not at a stage to get overconfident yet, Great said "I will concentrate on providing the fans with an entertaining game."

- How do you feel after going 1:0
▲ I am happy to have won the first game of my Ro16 match. Since it is not over yet, I am concentrating on not becoming overly confident.

- How was today's game
▲ I practice with Action alot usually, so we know each other's style well. I was praying for the 1 o'clock spot, but it turned out that I got the opposite, but it's good that I won anyway. 1 o'clock mines much faster [T/N: really?]. Even though I lost a drone early game, I didn't get flustered, and since I started out greedy I didn't think it would affect my game too much.

- Your ZvZ has improved recently
▲ In the past, I couldn't micro my mutalisks during broadcasted matches very well, so I told myself 'you can't use mutalisks,' but I think I fixed it through practice. I feel like I can finally look at my mutalisk micro and say 'that's a progamer's muta-micro.'

- Do you want to do better than the Ro8 this time
▲ Since so many zergs got to the Ro16, I think most of them are hoping for Ro8 or better. The fact that alot of terrans dropped out has been helping us zergs out. Personally I want to play a game where I can show the full extent of my skills to my fans. I have been concentrating on trying to play an entertaining game for the fans.

- Any last words
▲ For this match I only practiced with my teammates, and our team's terrans even offraced as zerg to help me practice. Also there is a player called (Z)hOpe that sits next to me, and he has enlightened me on little details that I never knew, and I want to say thank you to him.

Source: Fomos


Winner of (T)Midas vs (Z)Jaedong
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(Z)Jaedong!
'I want to show an even more matured Jaedong in 2011'

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On January 6th, (Z)Jaedong the 'Tyrant'(Hwaseung Oz) claimed victory over (T)Midas the 'Oldboy'(Wemade FOX) during the PDPop MSL 2010 Ro16:Day1, held at the Munlae Hero Center.

As soon as Jaedong scouted Midas' 14CC he pulled a large number of drones and rushed him without hesitation, followed by a wave of zerglings. It seemed as though Midas' SCV blocking and bunker would fend off the aggression, but Jaedong, in what seemed to be a display of his unique persistence, pumped zerglings and robbed Midas of victory.

Jaedong said "as soon as I saw the opponent's placement of his barracks, I decided to cheese. I decided to rush based on the fact that the marines would spawn in a position that would force them to go around the barracks. Even though there wasn't much content to the game, I am happy to have won."

- How do you feel leading 1:0 after the first day of the Ro16
▲ Recently I haven't been doing well, so I wanted to regain my confidence before Winners League through a fabulous game today, but after I saw his opening I decided to cheese. Even though it wasn't the greatest game, I am happy to have won.

- Why did you cheese
▲ Looking at the barracks placement, I could see that the marine would spawn on the outside. I also thought he hadn't seen my scouting overlord, so I cheesed.

- It seemed as though your aggression was foiled with the completion of his bunker
▲ I should've focused fired but instead a-moved the drones, so I screwed up. However since my lings were almost out I thought I could win it with good micro. I think Midas got overconfident after fending off the initial rush.

- A lot of people are predicting you to win the MSL in the absence of (T)Flash
▲ I thank you all for your support but it's only the Ro16 and Flash isn't my only opponent in the world. All the players are playing to win and they are very skilled, so I am planning to take it one step at a time. If I just continue with that mindset, I suspect I might be wearing the golden badge after all has been said and done.

- Your ZvT has been lacking recently
▲ I have been weirdly unfortunate in recently broadcasted games. Because my ZvT has not been suffering in practice, I don't think it will be a problem once I regain my confidence. I think this Ro16 is important in that regard.

- Winners League is about to start, can we expect an all-kill
▲ Because it is so damn hard, I'm thinking two at most, but personally I'm not going for the all-kill opportunity; instead, I want to be a solid anchor for our team.

- You must want to a show an improved Jaedong with the turn of the year
▲ Not just me but all our teammates have resolved to show improved gameplay this year. I have reflected upon my mistakes in 2010, and want to show a more matured self in 2011. I've already reached an age where I have more uprising youngsters than higher-ups to look up to in the progaming scene.

- Any other words
▲ Our entire coaching staff and team eagerly awaits Winners League to bring about a turn of events. We have been practicing hard, abiding by the saying that 'Hard work does not betray,' so I hope our fans will cheer for us.

Source: Fomos


Winner of (Z)Hydra vs (T)Classic
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(Z)Hydra!
'I could easily predict Valkyries'

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On January 6th, (Z)Hydra(Hite Entus) defeated (T)Classic(STX Soul) during the PDPop MSL 2010 Ro16:Day1, held at the Munlae Hero Center.

Hydra earned time through muta-ling aggression and then lurker contain to transition to a fabulous defiler-guardian combo and win the game.

- You won the critical first match
▲ I'm happy of course but since I still have two more games next week I want to hold off celebrating until I am in the Ro8 for sure.

- You beat him in Proleague as well
▲ I think that helped me play with confidence. I was more confident in my mutalisk micro.

- Classic went fast Valkyries
▲ Because Classic has shown so many different styles of play I prepared for all of them. Fast Valkyries were easily within the range of prediction so I was not flustered.

- Your spawning pool was sniped by dropship play at one point
▲ Since I already had a lurker contain, I didn't think it would affect the flow of the game. After fending off the marine-medic army at my expansion at 5, I thought I had the upperhand.

- You are doing well in Proleague as well; it must be regretful that you are out of the OSL
▲ I've been trying to stay positive. Since you can't be perfect in everything, I've tried not to think about it after I was booted from the OSL.

- How did you prepare for this match
▲ I have practiced a full day and a half since yesterday, but it wasn't too difficult as I knew my opponent's race and only had to prepare for one game.

- Any last words
▲ I want to thank all my teammates, and additionally SKT's (T)Fantasy, Airforce ACE's (T)firebathero and (T)Iris for helping me practice. Also, happy new year to all my fans.

Source: Fomos


Winner of (P)Stork vs (P)Bisu
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(P)Stork!
“I will do my best to reach the Ro8 with a 2:0”

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On January 6th, (P)Stork the 'Commander'(Samsung KHAN) defeated (P)Bisu the 'Revolutionist'(SKT) during the PDPop MSL 2010 Ro16:Day1, held at the Munlae Hero Center.

After a tense back and forth from the very beginning, Stork overpowered Bisu with excellent multitasking, and continued his string of flawless victories that started in Proleague and continued onto the OSL.

- You are 1:0 against Bisu now
▲ Since the map was Benzene I think we were both well-prepared. As a result I played with a comfortable mindset and I think that helped me win.

- You lost alot of probes to Bisu's initial reaver drop
▲ I saw his shuttle at 6 on the minimap and placed my dragoons accordingly, but I still took alot of damage, and thought I would lose. However after winning the battle at 6, I looked at his natural expansion, and I had mined about 150 more minerals from each patch. I thought the gap in the expansion timing would ultimately lead to my victory. (P)Brave recommended this build, and I thank him for that.

- How did you practice for this match
▲ Since Winners League is just around the corner, I had to practice not just one map but all the maps, and I just prepared for the individual leagues that way. Since most maps are pretty good for protoss, it's not too bad.

- You have your OSL match soon
▲ I'm still a little worried but I hope the momentum I built today can carry me into victory tomorrow. I have been performing poorly in PvT recently [T/N: ???] so I am worried facing off against (T)HiyA.

- Your fans' support was impressive
▲ It's been such a long time since the last time I had this much support at Munlae Hero Center. In the past MSL finals, I remember Bisu coming back from a disadvantage to beat me, and I will be sure to 2:0 so such an atrocity does not happen again. I think that's what my fans deserve for their support.

- Any last words
▲ I thank Brave for recommending me this build, and I also thank all my fans for their unwavering support. I hope to continue producing good games in the future.

Source: Fomos

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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 06 2011 11:20 GMT
#2
nice, thanks for the interview!

lol "Flash isn't my only opponent in the world."

also "- Winners League is about to start, can we expect an all-kill
▲ Because it is so damn hard, I'm thinking two at most" ROFL
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HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
January 06 2011 11:24 GMT
#3
On January 06 2011 20:20 ]343[ wrote:
"Flash isn't my only opponent in the world."


lol Jaedong a little sick of the rivalry perhaps.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6175 Posts
January 06 2011 11:26 GMT
#4
On January 06 2011 20:24 HollowLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 20:20 ]343[ wrote:
"Flash isn't my only opponent in the world."


lol Jaedong a little sick of the rivalry perhaps.

wonder why
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
January 06 2011 11:31 GMT
#5
On January 06 2011 20:20 ]343[ wrote:
nice, thanks for the interview!

lol "Flash isn't my only opponent in the world."

also "- Winners League is about to start, can we expect an all-kill
▲ Because it is so damn hard, I'm thinking two at most" ROFL



This is hilarious but it should only be the way it was translated :p
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Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 11:47:29
January 06 2011 11:47 GMT
#6

cant wait for song byung gooooo~
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 12:09:02
January 06 2011 11:55 GMT
#7
great's choosing a pretty late time in his career to learn muta micro.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 06 2011 12:04 GMT
#8
On January 06 2011 20:24 HollowLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 20:20 ]343[ wrote:
"Flash isn't my only opponent in the world."


lol Jaedong a little sick of the rivalry perhaps.

After his results vs Flash this past year can you really blame him?
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nK)Duke
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany936 Posts
January 06 2011 12:09 GMT
#9
Jaedong can be a solid anchor by all-killing every time. I mean, you can't be a solid anchor on a crappy boat, so he better win all his games!
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
January 06 2011 12:11 GMT
#10
Sick interviews : )
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Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
January 06 2011 12:14 GMT
#11
Lolz, I actually started on translating and almost finished before noticing this thread! Ah well, you beat me this time because I like to use lengthier-but-provides-more-details DES over Fomos. Well, not like the interviews differed much, anyways. XD

Thanks for the translations! Jaedong sounds rather pissed off from everyone's high expectations from him, and it's good that he recognizes other other players striving for the championship instead of Flash this 'n' that. His blood pressure must rise now whenever he hears someone utter Flash's name. ;P
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
January 06 2011 12:16 GMT
#12
That was ridiculously fast.

Oh jaedong...
Jaedong :3
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
January 06 2011 12:16 GMT
#13
- Winners League is about to start, can we expect an all-kill
▲ Because it is so damn hard, I'm thinking two at most,


:O. if this comes true then i'll really regret not putting JD on my FPL team.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8005 Posts
January 06 2011 12:33 GMT
#14
Great interviews~
I'm hoping that Jaedong will have that Gloded Badge
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
January 06 2011 12:34 GMT
#15

- You have your OSL match soon
▲ I'm still a little worried but I hope the momentum I built today can carry me into victory tomorrow. I have been performing poorly in PvT recently [T/N: ???] so I am worried facing off against (T)HiyA.

Lol, sure Stork...
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
January 06 2011 12:41 GMT
#16
On January 06 2011 21:14 Spica wrote:
Lolz, I actually started on translating and almost finished before noticing this thread! Ah well, you beat me this time because I like to use lengthier-but-provides-more-details DES over Fomos. Well, not like the interviews differed much, anyways. XD

Thanks for the translations! Jaedong sounds rather pissed off from everyone's high expectations from him, and it's good that he recognizes other other players striving for the championship instead of Flash this 'n' that. His blood pressure must rise now whenever he hears someone utter Flash's name. ;P

ah :[ that's unfortunate.. I usually check Fomos and DES to see whichever has them quicker hehe hopefully you can grab some of tmrw's interviews!
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
January 06 2011 12:55 GMT
#17
Hydra has a really good chance at taking the MSL . His ZvP and ZvZ are really good and there aren't any outstanding terrans left to eliminate him .
Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
January 06 2011 13:00 GMT
#18
Jaedong:
- A lot of people are predicting you to win the MSL in the absence of Flash
▲ I thank you all for your support but it's only the Ro16 and Flash isn't my only opponent in the world. All the players are playing to win and they are very skilled, so I am planning to take it one step at a time. If I just continue with that mindset, I suspect I might be wearing the golden badge after all has been said and done.

Flash:
It is not possible for a player that can beat me this MSL to exist. It's a matter of fact that no such player exists... I think this MSL finals will feature the strongest two players once again. Well, everyone can try their best at least. But in the end, I will win.


That is why I love JD
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VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 13:26:57
January 06 2011 13:24 GMT
#19
One is from an actual interview. The other from tournament hype footage.

People forget real fast. What about all the hate on F and J about them being extremely boring and non-charismatic players unlike the Boxers and Oovs of old?
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xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
January 06 2011 13:28 GMT
#20
Woah flash really said that? Slightly arrogant lol
Aah thats the stuff..
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 13:31:58
January 06 2011 13:29 GMT
#21
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For this match I only practiced with my teammates, and our team's terrans even offraced as zerg to help me practice. Also there is a player called hOpe that sits next to me, and he has enlightened me on little details that I never knew, and I want to say thank you to him.


Chavi and Juni are so terrible that Stork and Turn offracing are better practice partners for Great. LMAO.

Thanks for the translation rotinegg, that was quick !
You made a little mistake saying BigFile MSL at the beginning of the JD vs Midas interview. It's PD Pop MSL.
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9499 Posts
January 06 2011 13:36 GMT
#22
Stork: I have been performing poorly in PvT recently [T/N: ???] so I am worried facing off against HiyA.

lol, Stork trolling us.
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 13:37:57
January 06 2011 13:36 GMT
#23
On January 06 2011 22:24 VManOfMana wrote:
People forget real fast. What about all the hate on F and J about them being extremely boring and non-charismatic players unlike the Boxers and Oovs of old?

source?

On January 06 2011 22:29 endy wrote:
Thanks for the translation rotinegg, that was quick !
You made a little mistake saying BigFile MSL at the beginning of the JD vs Midas interview. It's PD Pop MSL.

thank you! will fix now
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
January 06 2011 14:20 GMT
#24
thanks for translating!
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Finskie
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden412 Posts
January 06 2011 14:20 GMT
#25
On January 06 2011 22:36 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 22:24 VManOfMana wrote:
People forget real fast. What about all the hate on F and J about them being extremely boring and non-charismatic players unlike the Boxers and Oovs of old?

source?


Source on what? His opinion?

I agree to some extent, i think Jaedong actually is capable of being more dynamic and giving more to the audience than Flash. 14cc...14cc...14cc...14cc... (Which is what is admirable, that he actually manages to do the same shit over and over again and noone can stop it. Well except for lately that is.)
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
January 06 2011 14:27 GMT
#26
On January 06 2011 23:20 Finskie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 22:36 rotinegg wrote:
On January 06 2011 22:24 VManOfMana wrote:
People forget real fast. What about all the hate on F and J about them being extremely boring and non-charismatic players unlike the Boxers and Oovs of old?

source?


Source on what? His opinion?

I agree to some extent, i think Jaedong actually is capable of being more dynamic and giving more to the audience than Flash. 14cc...14cc...14cc...14cc... (Which is what is admirable, that he actually manages to do the same shit over and over again and noone can stop it. Well except for lately that is.)

i was just wondering cuz i never came across a post hating on JD for his lack of charisma lol but yea the FvJ finals for the 3rd? time in a row got pretty un-spectacular
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smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
January 06 2011 14:27 GMT
#27
stork maybe meant PvT in practice these days dunno :s

thanks for the translations
LightAngels
Profile Joined April 2010
United States299 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 15:14:46
January 06 2011 15:07 GMT
#28
I dont think Stork trolling here lol

Stork's PvT winning streak right now is just a "I have been performing poorly in PvT recently".

That means when he says he is in good shape -> Unstoppable SvT, even god cant compare =))
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 06 2011 15:13 GMT
#29
Awesome job! Thanks for translating.
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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
January 06 2011 15:28 GMT
#30
Come on Stork! You're almost in the Ro4 in the OSL! Don't give me that my-PvT-is-weak crap! Did you watch yourself play last week vs. Hiya? Just do that!

Can't wait for the OSL tomorrow. Thanks for the translations!
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
January 06 2011 15:46 GMT
#31
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU-

bisu lost?

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU- D:
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
January 06 2011 15:49 GMT
#32
On January 06 2011 23:20 Finskie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 22:36 rotinegg wrote:
On January 06 2011 22:24 VManOfMana wrote:
People forget real fast. What about all the hate on F and J about them being extremely boring and non-charismatic players unlike the Boxers and Oovs of old?

source?


Source on what? His opinion?

I agree to some extent, i think Jaedong actually is capable of being more dynamic and giving more to the audience than Flash. 14cc...14cc...14cc...14cc... (Which is what is admirable, that he actually manages to do the same shit over and over again and noone can stop it. Well except for lately that is.)


Lol this has gotten pretty damn retarded at this point. Please go on Flash's recent games and count how many 14CCs hes done. I've seen like 2? maybe 3? 14CCs by him this year. funny that some ppl are still stuck in 2007 lol
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Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
January 06 2011 16:00 GMT
#33
Woot woot! Go Jaedong and Stork! Here is to hoping that they both take their sets!

Also many thanks for the interview~
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Finskie
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden412 Posts
January 06 2011 16:23 GMT
#34
On January 07 2011 00:49 SubtleArt wrote:
Lol this has gotten pretty damn retarded at this point. Please go on Flash's recent games and count how many 14CCs hes done. I've seen like 2? maybe 3? 14CCs by him this year. funny that some ppl are still stuck in 2007 lol


Well maybe that was a bad example, but my point is that Flash doesnt play very entertaining. The only entertainging thing is that he is so damn good from a strategic point of view. But his play is boring. That is, in my opinion.
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gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
January 06 2011 17:03 GMT
#35
GO JAEDONG GO!!!
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6175 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 17:57:08
January 06 2011 17:29 GMT
#36
On January 06 2011 22:00 Kuzmorgo wrote:
Jaedong:
Show nested quote +
- A lot of people are predicting you to win the MSL in the absence of Flash
▲ I thank you all for your support but it's only the Ro16 and Flash isn't my only opponent in the world. All the players are playing to win and they are very skilled, so I am planning to take it one step at a time. If I just continue with that mindset, I suspect I might be wearing the golden badge after all has been said and done.

Flash:
Show nested quote +
It is not possible for a player that can beat me this MSL to exist. It's a matter of fact that no such player exists... I think this MSL finals will feature the strongest two players once again. Well, everyone can try their best at least. But in the end, I will win.


That is why I love JD

when did Flash say that? I bet your just another fanboy hating every other player than JD, and thus making shit up.

+ Show Spoiler +
btw, there's a reason why Flash has the right to be more confident than JD.
recent year in OSL+MSL Flash is 3-1 in BoX series vs JD.
also,
Flash: 3golds in 2010
Jaedong: 0
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
January 06 2011 17:40 GMT
#37
BIRD FUCKING TOSS BABY
Forever Young
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4640 Posts
January 06 2011 17:41 GMT
#38
On January 07 2011 00:46 konadora wrote:
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU-

bisu lost?

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU- D:

Bisu didn't lose, Stork WOOOOOOOOOON!
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
January 06 2011 17:46 GMT
#39
On January 07 2011 01:23 Finskie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 00:49 SubtleArt wrote:
Lol this has gotten pretty damn retarded at this point. Please go on Flash's recent games and count how many 14CCs hes done. I've seen like 2? maybe 3? 14CCs by him this year. funny that some ppl are still stuck in 2007 lol


Well maybe that was a bad example, but my point is that Flash doesnt play very entertaining. The only entertainging thing is that he is so damn good from a strategic point of view. But his play is boring. That is, in my opinion.


The only boring thing about Flash's games is that a lot of them end up complete rapes. When they don't, shit usually gets really damn good. Lots of aggression backed up with fantastic macro, yes please.
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
January 06 2011 17:48 GMT
#40
On January 07 2011 02:46 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 01:23 Finskie wrote:
On January 07 2011 00:49 SubtleArt wrote:
Lol this has gotten pretty damn retarded at this point. Please go on Flash's recent games and count how many 14CCs hes done. I've seen like 2? maybe 3? 14CCs by him this year. funny that some ppl are still stuck in 2007 lol


Well maybe that was a bad example, but my point is that Flash doesnt play very entertaining. The only entertainging thing is that he is so damn good from a strategic point of view. But his play is boring. That is, in my opinion.


The only boring thing about Flash's games is that a lot of them end up complete rapes. When they don't, shit usually gets really damn good. Lots of aggression backed up with fantastic macro, yes please.


Totally agree, that's the problem. Flash's opponents aren't capable of keeping up with him and producing good games. He plays safely enough that most games end up with him getting a slight advantage that snowballs into a dull game. It's only when he starts out behind or if the opponent is very good that a good game ensues.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
January 06 2011 17:50 GMT
#41
On January 07 2011 00:46 konadora wrote:
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU-

bisu lost?

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU- D:


I share your pain rage
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
January 06 2011 17:50 GMT
#42
yessss everyone i wanted to win did
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
January 06 2011 17:50 GMT
#43
On January 06 2011 19:50 rotinegg wrote:
- Why did you cheese
▲ Looking at the barracks placement, I could see that the marine would spawn on the outside. I also thought he hadn't seen my scouting overlord, so I cheesed.


Very interesting. Good questions this time around, thanks for the translation.
KTY
~ava
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada378 Posts
January 06 2011 17:58 GMT
#44
The more I read Jaedong's interviews, the more I respect him. Congrats to him and Stork; thanks for the translation.
Finskie
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden412 Posts
January 06 2011 18:05 GMT
#45
On January 07 2011 02:48 gen.Sun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 02:46 Cpadolf wrote:

The only boring thing about Flash's games is that a lot of them end up complete rapes. When they don't, shit usually gets really damn good. Lots of aggression backed up with fantastic macro, yes please.


Totally agree, that's the problem. Flash's opponents aren't capable of keeping up with him and producing good games. He plays safely enough that most games end up with him getting a slight advantage that snowballs into a dull game. It's only when he starts out behind or if the opponent is very good that a good game ensues.


That is your opinions and im entitled to mine. We could go on and on about how he is or is not entertaining to watch but i dont have the energy nor is this the right thread to do so.
Violet.
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
January 06 2011 18:06 GMT
#46
On January 07 2011 03:05 Finskie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 02:48 gen.Sun wrote:
On January 07 2011 02:46 Cpadolf wrote:

The only boring thing about Flash's games is that a lot of them end up complete rapes. When they don't, shit usually gets really damn good. Lots of aggression backed up with fantastic macro, yes please.


Totally agree, that's the problem. Flash's opponents aren't capable of keeping up with him and producing good games. He plays safely enough that most games end up with him getting a slight advantage that snowballs into a dull game. It's only when he starts out behind or if the opponent is very good that a good game ensues.


That is your opinions and im entitled to mine. We could go on and on about how he is or is not entertaining to watch but i dont have the energy nor is this the right thread to do so.

Wasn't even talking to you.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
January 06 2011 18:13 GMT
#47
Awesome games yesterday! Thanks for the interviews .
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yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
January 06 2011 18:35 GMT
#48
On January 07 2011 02:29 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 22:00 Kuzmorgo wrote:
Jaedong:
- A lot of people are predicting you to win the MSL in the absence of Flash
▲ I thank you all for your support but it's only the Ro16 and Flash isn't my only opponent in the world. All the players are playing to win and they are very skilled, so I am planning to take it one step at a time. If I just continue with that mindset, I suspect I might be wearing the golden badge after all has been said and done.

Flash:
It is not possible for a player that can beat me this MSL to exist. It's a matter of fact that no such player exists... I think this MSL finals will feature the strongest two players once again. Well, everyone can try their best at least. But in the end, I will win.


That is why I love JD

when did Flash say that? I bet your just another fanboy hating every other player than JD, and thus making shit up.

+ Show Spoiler +
btw, there's a reason why Flash has the right to be more confident than JD.
recent year in OSL+MSL Flash is 3-1 in BoX series vs JD.
also,
Flash: 3golds in 2010
Jaedong: 0

I vaguely remember Flash saying something like this. I think during the MSL group selection ceremony? Something like this is likely to have been scripted though.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
January 06 2011 18:41 GMT
#49
Stork fiiighting :D

For some reason I believe he does have a funny record against Hiya. Hiya's TvP is pretty formidable also.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
January 06 2011 19:33 GMT
#50
Hiya was pretty good last season. Dunno what happened to him.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
January 06 2011 19:33 GMT
#51
yea flash eating his arrogance, JD staying humble

im so torn between stork and bisu i dont know who to cheer for!!! whoever wins better make it to the finals against JD (hopefully brackets allow it)

and im starting to like hydra...
jaedong imba
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 06 2011 19:42 GMT
#52
On January 07 2011 02:29 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 22:00 Kuzmorgo wrote:
Jaedong:
- A lot of people are predicting you to win the MSL in the absence of Flash
▲ I thank you all for your support but it's only the Ro16 and Flash isn't my only opponent in the world. All the players are playing to win and they are very skilled, so I am planning to take it one step at a time. If I just continue with that mindset, I suspect I might be wearing the golden badge after all has been said and done.

Flash:
It is not possible for a player that can beat me this MSL to exist. It's a matter of fact that no such player exists... I think this MSL finals will feature the strongest two players once again. Well, everyone can try their best at least. But in the end, I will win.


That is why I love JD

when did Flash say that? I bet your just another fanboy hating every other player than JD, and thus making shit up.

+ Show Spoiler +
btw, there's a reason why Flash has the right to be more confident than JD.
recent year in OSL+MSL Flash is 3-1 in BoX series vs JD.
also,
Flash: 3golds in 2010
Jaedong: 0


Hype video played over and over in MSL until he lost -_-
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
January 06 2011 19:52 GMT
#53
On January 07 2011 04:33 slappy wrote:
yea flash eating his arrogance, JD staying humble

im so torn between stork and bisu i dont know who to cheer for!!! whoever wins better make it to the finals against JD (hopefully brackets allow it)


Brackets will allow it. No matter what happens JD can't be on the same side of the bracket as either Stork or Bisu.
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
January 06 2011 20:50 GMT
#54
On January 06 2011 20:20 ]343[ wrote:

also "- Winners League is about to start, can we expect an all-kill
▲ Because it is so damn hard, I'm thinking two at most" ROFL


Ppl are misreading. He thinks there will only be 2 all kills during WL total and he's not going for one.

Tx for translation! Interesting interview.

Ah still torn about Bisu/Stork. May the best protoss win.

(imo it should be PvPvJ for the final :p )
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 06 2011 21:15 GMT
#55
Thanks for translating!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
January 06 2011 21:29 GMT
#56
Thanks for the interviews! :D
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
January 06 2011 21:31 GMT
#57
That Jaedong-Midas game was amazinggg
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
January 06 2011 21:47 GMT
#58
Sick good games today, can't wait until OSL tomorrow ! (today ^^)
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
January 06 2011 22:02 GMT
#59
On January 06 2011 22:36 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
Stork: I have been performing poorly in PvT recently [T/N: ???] so I am worried facing off against HiyA.

lol, Stork trolling us.


pretty sure hes talking about recent practice games vs T O_O
THE ANSWER IS 288
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
January 06 2011 22:44 GMT
#60
On January 07 2011 02:29 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 22:00 Kuzmorgo wrote:
Jaedong:
- A lot of people are predicting you to win the MSL in the absence of Flash
▲ I thank you all for your support but it's only the Ro16 and Flash isn't my only opponent in the world. All the players are playing to win and they are very skilled, so I am planning to take it one step at a time. If I just continue with that mindset, I suspect I might be wearing the golden badge after all has been said and done.

Flash:
It is not possible for a player that can beat me this MSL to exist. It's a matter of fact that no such player exists... I think this MSL finals will feature the strongest two players once again. Well, everyone can try their best at least. But in the end, I will win.


That is why I love JD

when did Flash say that? I bet your just another fanboy hating every other player than JD, and thus making shit up.

+ Show Spoiler +
btw, there's a reason why Flash has the right to be more confident than JD.
recent year in OSL+MSL Flash is 3-1 in BoX series vs JD.
also,
Flash: 3golds in 2010
Jaedong: 0


Jaedong won the nate MSL
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 23:01:12
January 06 2011 23:01 GMT
#61
"I have been performing poorly in PvT recently"

I'm guessing that this is during practice matches? Other than that, I can't really think of any other explaination.

I'm a little disappointed that Stork won (I kinda want Bisu to win ^^; ), but it's not the worst thing in the world if stork wins the series, I just hope that he can ride this momentum to the finals and win. =P
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
TheDefiler_Saves
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway97 Posts
January 07 2011 01:40 GMT
#62
Thank you very much for translating these interviews!

Go Jaedong!
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 07 2011 04:47 GMT
#63
Stork actually counted the mineral patches in Bisu's expo during the game? Holy shit..
Writerptrk
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4640 Posts
January 07 2011 05:55 GMT
#64
On January 07 2011 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Stork actually counted the mineral patches in Bisu's expo during the game? Holy shit..

It's actually very common (to my understanding) to click the patches to back trace their expansion timing. I.e. seeing how much they've mined will tell you approximately their expo has been up. Especially in a mirror-mu it would be easy to compare with your own.
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Renkaoru
Profile Joined October 2010
390 Posts
January 07 2011 06:15 GMT
#65
On January 07 2011 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Stork actually counted the mineral patches in Bisu's expo during the game? Holy shit..


I find this gosu as shit. It's the first time I heard this done and to think he was able to do it in a live high-pressure game..

Who needs APM when you have the brains of Stork?
God is in His heaven. All is right with the world.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
January 07 2011 06:48 GMT
#66
Hittegods is right, its a common technique in bw. You can sometimes see observers clicking on patches of mineral to highlight the differences in expo timings, or the commentators saying "he probably sees that his opponents expo has been up for a while after clicking on the mineral patches..."
Translator
Renkaoru
Profile Joined October 2010
390 Posts
January 07 2011 08:30 GMT
#67
Forgive my ignorance then.
God is in His heaven. All is right with the world.
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 08:45:30
January 07 2011 08:44 GMT
#68
Ever the hard worker Jaedong, but I'm gonna have to agree with Milkis in the OSL post, he's taking wayyyyy too many weird risks and they usually don't pay off, I was literally screaming on Vent "OMG Jaedong's gonna lose" after all his attacking drones died.

Luckily he was able to find an opening ><. It's a shame though, I kind of like Midas too, he's kind of cute.

Thanks for translation as always
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
January 07 2011 09:02 GMT
#69
I find it funny that Jaedong is apologizing for cheesing and producing a bad game when that was one of the most epic games I ever watched.

On the other hand, I scream "FUUUUU" and shut down the stream whenever I see workers pulled in a GSL game
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
January 07 2011 09:25 GMT
#70
On January 07 2011 18:02 dukethegold wrote:
I find it funny that Jaedong is apologizing for cheesing and producing a bad game when that was one of the most epic games I ever watched.

On the other hand, I scream "FUUUUU" and shut down the stream whenever I see workers pulled in a GSL game



hahaha so true! Man, I've never heard of the counting the minerals of your opponent strategy.. man I'm such a noob!

STORK HWAITING!
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
lastreason
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania250 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 10:25:11
January 07 2011 10:24 GMT
#71
gogo stork ,thx for translating
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
January 07 2011 11:39 GMT
#72
Jaedong's match was impressive, thanks for the translations!
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
January 07 2011 11:55 GMT
#73
On January 07 2011 15:15 Renkaoru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Stork actually counted the mineral patches in Bisu's expo during the game? Holy shit..


I find this gosu as shit. It's the first time I heard this done and to think he was able to do it in a live high-pressure game..

Who needs APM when you have the brains of Stork?

It's been brought up by other progamers at times, I remember FBH saying something about it as well, as a common way to check how long an expo has been up.
lastmotion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
368 Posts
January 07 2011 12:00 GMT
#74
stork said that he compared mineral patches of natural expo to see who had econ advantage...do a lot of top players do this? this is so pro, for real lol
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6175 Posts
January 07 2011 21:26 GMT
#75
On January 07 2011 07:44 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 02:29 Piste wrote:
On January 06 2011 22:00 Kuzmorgo wrote:
Jaedong:
- A lot of people are predicting you to win the MSL in the absence of Flash
▲ I thank you all for your support but it's only the Ro16 and Flash isn't my only opponent in the world. All the players are playing to win and they are very skilled, so I am planning to take it one step at a time. If I just continue with that mindset, I suspect I might be wearing the golden badge after all has been said and done.

Flash:
It is not possible for a player that can beat me this MSL to exist. It's a matter of fact that no such player exists... I think this MSL finals will feature the strongest two players once again. Well, everyone can try their best at least. But in the end, I will win.


That is why I love JD

when did Flash say that? I bet your just another fanboy hating every other player than JD, and thus making shit up.

+ Show Spoiler +
btw, there's a reason why Flash has the right to be more confident than JD.
recent year in OSL+MSL Flash is 3-1 in BoX series vs JD.
also,
Flash: 3golds in 2010
Jaedong: 0


Jaedong won the nate MSL

you're right. sorry, my mistake :D I feel stupid now.
GG_NO_RE
Profile Joined October 2009
Japan238 Posts
January 08 2011 04:08 GMT
#76
the JD game was so fuckin awesome. i really love him for doing this.. and it was tense

hydra absolutely steamrolled classic too. he's becoming one of my favorite players, and has a respectable lineage in the entus zergs as well

action disappointed me with his muta micro in his game... not really that impressed

and it really takes me aback to think that progamers could notice little things like the amount of minerals in a patch, like stork did, and infer that they have an advantage. really awesome stuff. i thought it was great that bisu went for shuttle speed (something so rarely seen in pvp) and i was going crazy with the number of probe kills.. but he just kinda fell apart. stork expertly predicted he would sneak a dt in later to even things up (SO bisu)
Deleted User 37864
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
780 Posts
January 08 2011 04:27 GMT
#77
Yeah.. a lot of people count minerals to check how long the expansion has been up.
Even I do this.. lol.

There is this little trick that zerg players sometimes do. I remember a pro doing it I think.. was it July?
That zerg moved his first overlord to scout for the opponent and STOPPED right at the minerals. So he never saw probes at all, but clicked on the mineral to see that it has been mined.
That way, he knew there was a base and the Protoss never saw the overlord.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 08 2011 15:25 GMT
#78
On the whole mineral patch thing. I think it says a lot about the style of players regardless of whether they all do it. Bisu had the same scouting info as Stork. He saw that Stork was ahead even after the 12 probe kills. Yet he still for some inexplicable reason to pressure knowing that Stork likely has a similar if not bigger sized army, with better economy to back it up.

You have to make the right decision with your scouting. Stork made the correct decision. Bisu did not. First engagement at bottom right where Stork cleaned up Bisu's army was basically game.
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