I don't really think we can say much about whose late game zvz is better, since there are simply too few data point to crunch. Moreover, something dramatic must have happened for it to reach late game in the first place, and one player would often have significant advantage over the other.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

November 17 2010 01:58 GMT

#84

Well, in the Great vs Zero game a big reason for why the game went to that phase is because of the map it was played on. There's also the thing about how a bit prior to that game Zero and Great were both showing off some new ZvZ ideas and they were amongst the very few Zerg players that played the matchup in a more long-term way at that particular time (Effort also had a distinct style but he was different from Zero and Great in that although he had an affinity for defensive play he didn't take his resource advantage into the lategame with new tech but preferred to use his resource advantage to overwhelm his opponent with explosive macro with a very traditional mentality. There is also an important distinction in that Great and Zero's ZvZ style emerges during the midgame while Effort's defensive style is something that is early-game oriented). In a way, Zero's style also has a more traditional ZvZ mentality compared to Great's style

I'm not entirely sure but it seems like their styles try to exploit different timings. Great's style has a weak timing window when he first begins to get his hydra tech to an opponent that is massing mutalisks where Zero would be safer as he can use ensnare in both defensive and offensive ways. But Great's hydra transition gives him a lot of strength if he survives and the game goes into hive tech compared to a player that has continued to commit to mutalisks while also teching to hive. I think the reason why Great was able to win was because he survived until his transition locked in and Zero's style is still fundamentally mutalisk oriented.

Doughboy

United States721 Posts

November 17 2010 02:38 GMT

#85

Guemchi @ GSL: So when I went to India.... I bought this game...*cough* sc2 *cough*

gulati

United States2241 Posts

November 17 2010 07:41 GMT

#86

Woongjin <3

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

November 19 2010 06:47 GMT

#87

Wait, did Woongjin stealthily recruit a talented new zerg recently? >_____>

dekuschrub

United States2069 Posts

November 19 2010 08:07 GMT

#88

this has been said..

but really has pretty ballsack TvZ. its always funny to see terrans that can TvP but can't TvZ

of course really has been having trouble in TvP lately too, but he will come around

hacklebeast

United States5090 Posts

November 19 2010 08:44 GMT

#89

If we ignore Soul's last loss, than #1 #2 and #3 in the proleauge ranks are SKT, Stars and Soul; the three teams with a hype tread. Coincidence? Doubtful. Somebody get on a Jangbi hype thread ASAP.

JohannesH

Finland1364 Posts

November 19 2010 09:23 GMT

#90

On November 17 2010 10:58 koreasilver wrote:I'm not entirely sure but it seems like their styles try to exploit different timings. Great's style has a weak timing window when he first begins to get his hydra tech to an opponent that is massing mutalisks where Zero would be safer as he can use ensnare in both defensive and offensive ways. But Great's hydra transition gives him a lot of strength if he survives and the game goes into hive tech compared to a player that has continued to commit to mutalisks while also teching to hive. I think the reason why Great was able to win was because he survived until his transition locked in and Zero's style is still fundamentally mutalisk oriented.

I think Great only got hydras (& many drones) as a response to enemys high tech - I could be wrong but that's what I remember seeing.

Manit0u

Poland17792 Posts

November 19 2010 09:43 GMT

#91

Stars would dominate if T1 wouldn't be so damn strong right now. Go (P)

BeSt, go!

tomatriedes

New Zealand5356 Posts

November 19 2010 10:37 GMT

#92

I became a Stars fan after not being able to take the heartbreak of OZ constantly letting JD down anymore. I also realized I liked more players on the Stars team than on OZ.

As for their prospects, against any other team Stars should be able to win in the form they're in this eason, but, of course, the big problem is SKT.
Bisu's PvZ is so damn good right now he could probably beat Zero or Soulkey and while SKT's zergs still aren't that great they do seem to be good at ZvZ snipes. Also any of the Woongjin terrans would get crushed by the likes of Bests TvP or Fantasy's TvT.

Ah, but this is meant to be a hype thread so, go Stars! They definitely have a chance to win it all this season.

tomatriedes

New Zealand5356 Posts

November 19 2010 10:39 GMT

#93

On October 16 2010 00:29 Iplaythings wrote:
I like how a hype thread for KT wont even be needed

We got mafia zerg :D

Speaking too soon?

mustaju

Estonia4505 Posts

November 19 2010 10:41 GMT

#94

I want either STX (first choice) or (Stars) to win this years ProLeague. Though I still have confidence that STX can do it, Stars looks a bit more likely right now. I definitely don't want SKT/KT to win, they've had their time in the spotlight already.

MisteR

Netherlands595 Posts

November 19 2010 11:20 GMT

#95

The addition of Really certainly did them good. Soulkey is also a pleasant surprise. Both Free and Zero are very strong progamers, and can (usually) be relied on. Their biggest weakness seems to be the coach, who lacks the cutting edge that for example the SKT coach has in abundance. I'd say they'll reach the playoffs, possibly in a good position, but will fail to win it all. A cute team though, good marketing.