EPT[Interview] MSL RO8 Day 1 Sea vs Jaedong Winner - Page 4
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
or the skillless zerg wins by rushing. | ||
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Pioneer
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On August 06 2010 11:08 SimonB wrote: Flash vs. Calm on Bloodspot predates it by ten days. Actually, if you looked hard enough, you could probably find similar games going way way back. Just by memory, Flash beat Savior with it back in his rookie year. (though he didn't start with bio) People seem to think this is some new strategy, but a mech defense against hivetech seems fairly natural, so I wouldn't be surprised if it has probably been around forever to some degree, but it's tough to make that transition. Polaris Rhapsody has proven to be a pretty good map for it, but I don't think its really unbeatable like a lot of people think. "Jaedong lost?! It must be because of this dumb imba mech strat, not because he was outplayed!" You can actually go back even further. The ToT)Twisted( vs Assem game on Luna had Assem transitioning from bio to mech (Yosh did it a lot as well). The idea isn't new but the execution and refinement of the style is. | ||
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Balfazar
Australia483 Posts
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Draffut
United States128 Posts
On August 06 2010 07:50 MadJack wrote: People dont seem to remember when mutalikes+overlord stacking was first use. Everybody was screaming IMBA OMFG IMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!111111 It was really strong, but eventually a way to play with it was found and now its just standard. Even tho now late mech seems very hard, (flash vs zero 4ex) eventually someone will find a way to fight it. Someone may find a way to fight it. Saying that someone will find a way is just silly speculation. | ||
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Jzerg
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8896 Posts
 Sea looks so happy and confident.... | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
Mech does seem pretty ridiculous to fight late game though as Zerg. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
Sea is such a nice guy, using his last words to try and cheer him up! | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:17 Holgerius wrote: Cool, we now know for sure that Flash still had a good chance of winning Game 3 in the MSL finals against JD. He said so in an interview, and everything a progamer says in an interview is the absolute truth, right? the fuck is this shit ^ | ||
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Craton
United States17284 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On August 06 2010 12:27 nayumi wrote: Terrans win without having to do anything! Madness! MADNESS? THIS ISnt star2... game isnt imba.. jd just got out played and let sea get key positioning (as sad as i am to admit it )if he would have been able to hold the top right we mighta had a differnt outcome.. but sea got that amazing high ground + that supply depot + mines everywhere + gols to back up drops and mutas + vessels... LWWW please dong! | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
I think Sea made a mistake in busting it out game 1 though - now the next time they play Jaedong is going to have figured out how to beat it. edit: here's hoping for the LWWW | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On August 06 2010 20:24 Pioneer wrote: You can actually go back even further. The ToT)Twisted( vs Assem game on Luna had Assem transitioning from bio to mech (Yosh did it a lot as well). The idea isn't new but the execution and refinement of the style is. Fantasy, however, was the first to claim that bio to mech transition as a viable build against Zerg. He even named it as "Demechanic" or something and even emphasized this build was of his own making. I remember everybody making a big fuss of it because his wordings made it seem as if he is saying every single one of his builds other than the bio to mech build was made by Oov. I personally found this Sea v.s. Jaedong to be significantly less frustrating than Flash v.s. Zero. Sea at least made the attempt to attack and harass. Flash sat on 108 turrets and 100 tanks throughout the entire game and won it LITERALLY without making a single push. Even Flash's attempt to take Zero's 1 o'clock was done by building turrets first at its entrance, setting up tanks and waiting for Zero to attack it. The only good thing that I can think of this new trend is that Fantasy's TvZ is finally on the rise. Maybe it will hit 60% one day and nobody will be able to deny his status as a S-class. | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:17 Holgerius wrote: Cool, we now know for sure that Flash still had a good chance of winning Game 3 in the MSL finals against JD. He said so in an interview, and everything a progamer says in an interview is the absolute truth, right? theres a biiiiig difference between saying 'hey, i didnt lose the game yet, i was still in it' compared to 'if the terran does this and this, the zerg has no chance.' every progamer blusters and says shit about not counting them out | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:17 Holgerius wrote: Cool, we now know for sure that Flash still had a good chance of winning Game 3 in the MSL finals against JD. He said so in an interview, and everything a progamer says in an interview is the absolute truth, right? One interview came from a frustrated player who lost the series due to forces beyond his control. This interview came from a gamer who may have practiced hundreds of games that all pretty much had the same outcome. Surly you can see where the argument is coming from here. Sea's opinion was based upon a large sample of games that according to him ended with much less resistance than the one that came from Jaedong, and his tone of confidence implied that his zerg practice partners couldn't come up with any clear cut answers even though they knew what was coming. Don't throw in cheap arguments just for the sake of doing so. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:17 Holgerius wrote: Cool, we now know for sure that Flash still had a good chance of winning Game 3 in the MSL finals against JD. He said so in an interview, and everything a progamer says in an interview is the absolute truth, right? The difference here being that Flash spoke in favor of himself, while Sea speaks in favor of his opponent. | ||
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