KT have been denied for far too long. There's not really that much of a point in describing the trials that KT fans have been through; Arrian's article does a good enough job of that. The short version is that back in the glory days of KTF, with MSL winner ChoJJa, OSL winners Nal_rA and Reach, and OSL almost-winner YellOw all playing in the Proleague finals, KTF still took home the silver, presumably because YellOw's curse was simply too strong for them to do otherwise.
On August 7th, today's KT team will make up for the failure of its ancestors. On August 7th, KT will show us why they won the regular season so decisively. On August 8th, KT as a team will wake up, groggy after the celebration the night before, and drive home from Pusan with a prize that they've never tasted as a team before: gold.
Here's why.
Nirvana
Yes, I'm going to start off the argument with a big-ass picture of Flash. How else would I begin a case for KT's inevitable victory? Flash is the beginning and the end of any success that KT has. He's the best player in the world, and he's easily the favorite to win in an Ace match against any player in the playoffs. Flash has been going through a rough patch in his PL matches, but once he switches back to Pocari Sweat from water, he'll be back in his 80% winrate form!
Actually, I think there's a (non-stupid) explanation for Flash's problems over the past month. Flash has shown that he's fantastic at preparing for specific matches against players he knows he'll be facing. In his Bo5 vs Free in the Hana Daetoo MSL, and about a week earlier in his OSL semifinal against Pure, he demonstrated complete mastery over the greatest weapon that protosses at that time had to throw at him: double nexus. Six times in a row, he destroyed the build that had sent every other Terran, from Fantasy to Idra, into fits of rage.
For the upcoming Proleague finals, Flash has three weeks to prepare for the playstyles of Bisu, Fantasy, EffOrt, and sKyHigh. After CJ vs SKT, the possible Ace opponents get narrowed down to two. But wait, I hear you say. What about MBC and Wemade FOX? What about their aces? Fortunately for Flash, if either Wemade or MBC ends up beating CJ/SKT, which is really unlikely, all Flash has to do is spend 8 hours per day practicing TvT.
Flash has achieved enlightenment. He recently destroyed the best Zerg ever 3-0. He has three weeks with which to prepare for the upcoming finals. Why, then, would he not be the favorite prevail against any Ace opponent thrown at him?
The Glue
Yeah, that's fOrGG. How the hell is he the glue, you ask? This season, the supporting players of KT, seemingly overnight, became competent. One theory is that the key to unlocking the players' potential was in fOrGG's arrival to the team from Hwaseung. An interview of Hoejja supports this claim:
Q: The mood seems lighter on the KT team now. A: It’s all thanks to ForGG. He has an A blood type personality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_types_in_Japanese_culture), but he acts like an AB type, so we can never stop laughing because of him. I think he’s conquered our team (laughs).
I was going to use stats to support my argument but after I compiled all of them, I realized that they were horribly tainted by the fact that Minor League and Dream League were included when only taking data from "Team Leagues." Whoops! But trust me, everyone on the team not named Flash did better after fOrGG joined except for Hoejja and Luxury, both of whom were probably just really embarrassed because fOrGG kept beating them into the ground during practice.
Which brings me to fOrGG's excellent TvZ! If you look at fOrGG's stats, his TvZ clearly stands out among his other matches. This is the guy who beat Jaedong 3-0 two years before Flash was able to. If you enjoy watching the majestic power of Terran timing attacks, please go watch some VODs of fOrGG vs Zerg.
The Supporting Cast by Scaramanga
Ace in the hole: Stats
chintastic!
Stats is playing amazing well these days. His elo rank (10th) and powerrank (6th) show that he is better than most of the six dragons at the moment, which has been really useful to KT considering the slight downturn flash has been having. Along with fOrGG, Stats has taken the reins of KT while Flash has been out of form and led them to secure the number one position, helping them to win the majority of their matches this round despite the loss of their Ace's 80% winrate.
What is really awesome about Stats is that his play in all three matchups is extremely solid. Some of the KT lineup are quite susceptible to other races; for example, against Hoejja opponents just need to send out zerg or for fOrGG they just send... not a zerg. Stats, however, has no real weakness in any match up (except against Zergs named jaedong but oz is out of the playoffs so :D) which makes him a scary thought for any opponent coach.
Plus, Stats is really sexy. Just look at him!
Entertainment Value
entertaining!
Violet is the most entertaining player on KT by far. When he's playing he always seams to make his games amazing to watch and that’s what you need in the finals: someone with flare and charisma. At his peak, his games are some of the most amazing you'll ever see. Think Best has good PvP? Go take a look at Violet vs HeroV .Think Stork and Jangbi have good late game PvZ? Go watch Violet vs Hogil on HBR.
Hopefully we can see some ridiculous games from violet
Lucky Wins?
You never know. These guys could pull out some lucky wins ^^
Rookies
Who is this guy? I know hoejja at the back but this guy....
Anyppi? Kang Hyun Woo? More like Kang Hyun Who !!!1 This protoss made his TV debut vs MBC two matches ago absolutely smashing Saint into the ground and making him look like a C- newbie. But all you need to know is this guy is an absolute baller. This protoss showed some of the nicest macro and timing I've seen in recent PvZs.
Taking into account how well Anyppi and rOo, the other player who debuted this week, played, KT Rolster's rookies are looking extremely scary. Not only do other teams have to have to worry about the super ace's; Flash, Stats and Forgg, the regulars Violet, Tempest, Hoejja, 815 and Firefist but the rookies like Anyppi and rOo. These rookies have seen the players they are likely to play against a shit load of times, they know their opponents play styles and weaknesses in side and out. Their opponents know fuck all about how these guys play, and they seem to be hitting their stride right before the playoffs. The element of surprise: we have it.
December 30th, 2010
December 30th is the day YellOw will be discharged from the Airforce. Grab the gold now, KT Rolster. All the pieces are in place: you have the greatest player alive, the supporting cast is competent, and the man who carries the curse which has doomed you to destruction in the past is safely tucked away in a barracks.
Fight, KT! Seize the trophy on the beach of Gwangahlli! Yours is the drill that will pierce the universe! And although all YellOw can do is watch, lest he wreck KT's best chance at a title in five years, it will be a fitting end to the long arc of professional Starcraft to see Hong Jin Ho, freshly discharged from ACE, come back to a team that is, at long last, golden.
if any KT fan wants to add a section on Violet or something, just post it here. I'll update it in the OP if it's up to my exacting standards. And by exacting I mean really low.
On July 16 2010 17:05 matjlav wrote: Oh, please. You write an article on how KT will win and you don't even bother including how well Stats and Violet are playing?
I do love the hype, though. We just need a thread for WeMade and STX now.
Stats is playing amazing well these days. His elo and powerrank show that he is better than most of the six dragons at the moment, which was handy to KT considering slight downturn flash has been having. In fact stats, along with forgg have taken the reigns of KT while flash has been absent and lead them to secure the number one position, winning the majority of KT's games this round.
What is really awesome about Stats is that his play in all three matchups is extremely solid. Some of the KT lineup are quite susceptible to other races; For hoejja just send a zerg or for Flash just send a terran (lol) but with stats he has no real weakness in any match up (except for jaedong but oz are out :D) which makes him a scary thought for any opponent coach.
Plus Stats is really sexy
Entertainment Value
Violet is the most entertaining player on KT by far. When he's playing he always seams to make his games amazing to watch and that’s what you need in the finals, someone with flare and charisma. At his peak his games are some of the most amazing you'll ever see. Think Best has good PvP? Go take a look at Violet vs HeroV .Think Stork and Jangbi have good late game ZvP? Go watch Violet vs hogil on HBR. Hopefully we can se some ridiculous games from violet
Under Rated
Now what I should have posted is a map of blue storm considering this is all anyone remembers 815 for, and I know your thinking "This guy is barely 50% as if he is any good" but if you have a look at his games you'll see his play is very solid and has some good wins over top players. At the moment I would rate 815 as the best zerg that KT has in terms of skill. Like stats he is solid in all matchups and poses a threat to any player he comes up against.
Unfortunately he is extremely in consistent. Hopefully, like violet, with the upcoming finals 815 can get his shit together and show all he's got on tv, because if he does it'll be epic.
Lucky Wins?
You never know guys they could pull out some lucky wins ^^
Rookies
Who is this guy? I know hoejja at the back but this guy....
Anyppi? Kang Hyun Woo? More like Kang Hyun Who (sorry -_-) This protoss made his TV debut vs MBC two matches ago absolutely smashing saint into the ground making him look like a C- newbie. But all you need to know is this guy is an absolute baller. This protoss showed some of the nicest macro and timing ive seen in recent pvzs.
Taking into account how well Anyppi and rOo, the other player who debuted this week, KT rolster rookies are looking extremely scary. Not only do other teams have to have to worry about the super ace's; Flash, Stats and Forgg, the regulars Violet, Tempest, Hoejja, 815 and Firefist but the rookies like Anyppi and rOo. These rookies have seen the players they are likely to play against a shit load of times, they know their opponents play styles and weaknesses in side and out. Their opponents know fuck all about how these guys play. Element of surprise, we have it.
Minor Premiership
I hope this a banner about KT winning the minor premiership, i cant read korean
Yay half champions! Being no.1 at the end has given us what i think is a massive advantage over the other teams. We can sit back and relax and scout out the other teams and their strategies for the finals. With our super smart coach H.O.T Forever leading us, the ability to make a perfect plan for who we face in the final game of the season leads me to believe we have this already half won.
nice reading. a few days ago, i`ve read an article talking about CJ and why CJ will win in the final. lol, you guys are in the fight! let`s see who will truly win at last
I think we're all ready to see Flash stop fooling around and start man handling his opponents again. It's been kind of refreshing to see the rest of the team step it up in lieu of Flash's mini-slump(? sort of) but now it's time for him to return to the vanguard.
On July 16 2010 23:55 nbaker wrote: Go KT!! If aint Woongjin it's done!
I think we're all ready to see Flash stop fooling around and start man handling his opponents again. It's been kind of refreshing to see the rest of the team step it up in lieu of Flash's mini-slump(? sort of) but now it's time for him to return to the vanguard.
woonjin win it all next year....(and GGplay makes a surprise return)
hmm I'd like KT or STX to win it,
but any true Jaedong fan somewhat likes to see Flash failing...
anyways KT is a very Deep team and they have a very good chance of winning it all
I think of KT likes this: 1. We have our starter ForGG Almost ALWAYS wins his first match with his awesome timings and macro. ForGG is perhaps the most solid starter and is good enough to put up a good fight till the very end. His timing attacks are simply amazing, he can even time bugs and screw up the opponent's timings. Genius
2. Then we usually put in hoejja/Stats/Violet/tempest If the Coach predicts a toss, hoejja is most likely going to be sent out. Next to Jaedong's ZvP, Hoejja's is the next best thing. (cant say much about his other matchups) Hoejja has defeated good players in his other mtachups, but i think those were lucky wins. As a hoejja fan, i hope to see him get an all kill and he will. As long as matchups are all protoss. Chin, Superviolet, and the new smug toss (refer to movie vs tempest), are all great players. More on them in the ace section.
3.Next up is the God. Auto Win. Flash is simply unstoppable. Even with his recent losses, it doesnt matter. Flash WILL refocus and destory. As stated in his interview, ▲ I don't mind, I can take it. I have been searching for my form in my recent matches, and now I've already regained the feel I had last season. The God is coming back
4. Finally, in case Flash does lose (highly unlikely), we end with Stats/violet Hoejja is too unreliable, but the Sats and Violet are ROCK solid. The Chintoss and Violet has and will again be an reliable ace. All their matchups are solid, no one is going to fuck around with them. In the past, Chin toss has destroyed lots of good players, including Bisu, Sea, Zero, etc. Stats's best mtachup pvp is a high 61%. other tosses will fear ace matches. His other matchups are awesome, as reflected in his recent ranks. Violet is another great player. I feel that Stats will be the ace, but SUPER violet may take over and pwn everyone like how he did with Bisu when he was at his peak.
KT has this people. With Yellow and Reach coming back, KT are pretty much champions
KT is gonna take it to 3-3 and then Flash is just gonna lose in the Ace match as usual. =D
On a more serious note, KT hasn't been looking as sharp recently, especially with Flash not performing up to par. If he continues his ways, the rest of the roster (ForGG, Violet, Stats) is really going to have to pick up the slack. If ForGG continues to do stupid shit, then it could get tough. KT isn't exactly the deepest team anymore, now that their zergs are ehhh at best, but they have the manpower to get it done.
Not going to lie, just the fact that KT is in the finals gives them a huge chance at least. Plus eventually Flash will find his game again. Also Stats is impressing me more and more and fOrGG is a hilarious fellow. Tempest!
Took winner's league and we're taking the regular season. No one's stopping KT. Hope to see SKT1 in the finals just so we can crush any of those silly old curses.
On July 17 2010 03:04 Lightwip wrote: KT lost to eSTRO in R5, Flash losing to Really. Nuff said.
Every team has lost this season. KT has just lost a lot less than any other team.
Also, the biggest reason why KT will win Proleague: THEY ONLY HAVE TO WIN ONE BEST-OF-7
Unlike CJ, SKT1, FOX, MBC, who could be playing up to NINE Best-of-7's before the Finals, KT has three weeks of prep time, relaxation, and time to get ready for the upcoming battle. I mean, STX Soul also only could need two best-of-sevens to make the Finals, but with their current form, I don't know if it is possible.
Hell, I expect an epic series. Shame that only one single bo7. I mean...wow...KT vs SKT, two long rivalring teams. I know CJ guys are good, but CJ vs SKT or CJ vs KT lacks the epic "final stand" feeling. It's all about old rivalry between old and new, good and evil, light and darkness...
SKT wins first 3 games by Hyuk who 4pools all 3 out of 3 games. And then Flash punishes Hyuk for his cheesy build, then destroys Best's final hope of shining in PL, which is followed by a ruthless dismantling of Bisu, and finally crushing Fantasy in an epic TvT, completely shattering SKT's dream of Proleague championship, putting an end to an evil dynasty and rises as the new dominant force of Starcraft as well as esport. KT 4-3 SKT with Flash reverse all-kill.
That is, of course, if all-kill format is used lol.
On August 03 2010 00:41 C[SCL] wrote: LOL almost all of the posters in this page are KT fans.
P.S. SKT will rape KT 4-1 EZ PZ
SKT stands for "Superior (to) KT"
Fixed. I'm sorry, but while this thread may be the closest to the truth(KTFlash will get 2nd place for it's star player playing a few good games and someone else in the team fluking a win), you will still lose the proleague.
Wow nice way to add a word that completely throws off the initialism Lightwip.
How's it feel to have fumbled into the playoffs only to play a bunch of horrible slumping teams? Teams that you beat who, if you combined the records completely, still don't have as high a win differential as we do? (STX 5 + Wemade 18 = 23 + CJ 7 = 30. Fuck let's throw in MBC who you didn't even play, 30 + 14 = 44, still four less) If you combine every team that you have surpassed -- just barely, mind you, look at all those ace matches -- you still don't match us.
The entire playoffs was a mere ceremony, a pre-sacrifice ritual to awake the true progaming diety that is KT. Enjoy the tastes of our boots.
So Flash won you a few too many games. Big deal. We all know how history repeats itself. And KT has already been defeated by SKT, shoved aside as a team not worthy of its existence in progaming. Your one trick pony known as KTFlash shall be vanquished. Not a single game will be won. Jaedong didn't even stand a chance against SKT, going 0-3 in the finals. You will have your little KT star meet the same fate. SKT>KT ezpz. Ever since Boxer defeated Yellow, KT's fate has been sealed: they will always be second to SK TELECOM T1.
Haha, how's it feel to be so wrong? So very wrong?
KT, after R1, had a higher win differential than any team has now besides KT itself.
And I like how you hold flash against us. Flash, by himself, has proven to be better than your whole team. Yellow is gone until Dec 30 -- there is no more second place curse as KT showed in Winner's league. Oh, Jaedong couldn't win against you? So you're going to practice Hyuk to snipe Flash? Good luck with that.
yellow is out in december? holy moley what will happen to ace then.. he will be KT´s best zerg no doubt about that.. and Reach? when does he come back?
On August 03 2010 02:52 HeadhunteR wrote: yellow is out in december? holy moley what will happen to ace then.. he will be KT´s best zerg no doubt about that.. and Reach? when does he come back?
Pretty sure that Yellow and Reach get out at the same time, when they do, SKT will play Boxer at full time?
On August 03 2010 02:52 HeadhunteR wrote: yellow is out in december? holy moley what will happen to ace then.. he will be KT´s best zerg no doubt about that.. and Reach? when does he come back?
Pretty sure that Yellow and Reach get out at the same time, when they do, SKT will play Boxer at full time?
On August 03 2010 02:52 HeadhunteR wrote: yellow is out in december? holy moley what will happen to ace then.. he will be KT´s best zerg no doubt about that.. and Reach? when does he come back?
Pretty sure that Yellow and Reach get out at the same time, when they do, SKT will play Boxer at full time?
Reach leaves 2 months before Yellow.
KT Protoss wanna be rivals with SKT Protoss, both ability and appearance wise.
Since KT does not have a Bisu, Reach will be a fine supplement.
Yellow will be good for advertising, just like Boxer. All they need to do is to sit on the bench and attract girls.
With that out of the way, SKT wins 4-3, with Flash losing ACE to Fantasy.
Boxer/Oov are geniuses at sniping build. No doubt. Their last anti-Flash build worked perfectly and so did that anti-Jaedong build during the last final. Let's keep in mind that Fantasy is the world's second best Terran and those "Fantasy is nothing but a puppet who bend to pressure and is only good at pre-determined game plans" should shut up after Fantasy's phenomenal performance in Winner Leagues and Playoff ACE matches. Fantasy is 4-0 at playoff ACE matches! The final will be no different!
On August 03 2010 02:28 TwoToneTerran wrote: Haha, how's it feel to be so wrong? So very wrong?
KT, after R1, had a higher win differential than any team has now besides KT itself.
And I like how you hold flash against us. Flash, by himself, has proven to be better than your whole team. Yellow is gone until Dec 30 -- there is no more second place curse as KT showed in Winner's league. Oh, Jaedong couldn't win against you? So you're going to practice Hyuk to snipe Flash? Good luck with that.
The playoffs were over before they started.
Jaedong beat your entire team before, and SKT pummeled Jaedong. What does that say for your chances? Absolutely nonexistent. Hyuk beat Jaedong, and that's the point: even a n00b like Hyuk, when given the blessing of the SK Telecom T1, is good enough to beat stars. So KTFlash won WL, a really worthless competition. Yellow won some non-sanctioned competition too. KT is just a projection of Yellow: destined to always be close, but never quite enough. Win differential, so what? It doesn't mean anything other than that you can have your fluky players beat some teams in games they dont care that much about. You are forever Yellow cursed. SKT is the King of PL, and KT is the King of Silver. It is and will always be that way, forever. SKT has 2 bonjwas lending their brilliance to SKT, while you only have a few players who scraped off a silver or two in their SL career, overshadowed forever by SKT's greats.
On August 03 2010 02:28 TwoToneTerran wrote: Haha, how's it feel to be so wrong? So very wrong?
KT, after R1, had a higher win differential than any team has now besides KT itself.
And I like how you hold flash against us. Flash, by himself, has proven to be better than your whole team. Yellow is gone until Dec 30 -- there is no more second place curse as KT showed in Winner's league. Oh, Jaedong couldn't win against you? So you're going to practice Hyuk to snipe Flash? Good luck with that.
The playoffs were over before they started.
Jaedong beat your entire team before, and SKT pummeled Jaedong. What does that say for your chances? Absolutely nonexistent. Hyuk beat Jaedong, and that's the point: even a n00b like Hyuk, when given the blessing of the SK Telecom T1, is good enough to beat stars. So KTFlash won WL, a really worthless competition. Yellow won some non-sanctioned competition too. KT is just a projection of Yellow: destined to always be close, but never quite enough. Win differential, so what? It doesn't mean anything other than that you can have your fluky players beat some teams in games they dont care that much about. You are forever Yellow cursed. SKT is the King of PL, and KT is the King of Silver. It is and will always be that way, forever. SKT has 2 bonjwas lending their brilliance to SKT, while you only have a few players who scraped off a silver or two in their SL career, overshadowed forever by SKT's greats.
On August 03 2010 02:28 TwoToneTerran wrote: Haha, how's it feel to be so wrong? So very wrong?
KT, after R1, had a higher win differential than any team has now besides KT itself.
And I like how you hold flash against us. Flash, by himself, has proven to be better than your whole team. Yellow is gone until Dec 30 -- there is no more second place curse as KT showed in Winner's league. Oh, Jaedong couldn't win against you? So you're going to practice Hyuk to snipe Flash? Good luck with that.
The playoffs were over before they started.
Jaedong beat your entire team before, and SKT pummeled Jaedong. What does that say for your chances? Absolutely nonexistent.
You are aware that these kind of false arguments never have had any hold in the game, right?
On August 03 2010 02:28 TwoToneTerran wrote: Haha, how's it feel to be so wrong? So very wrong?
KT, after R1, had a higher win differential than any team has now besides KT itself.
And I like how you hold flash against us. Flash, by himself, has proven to be better than your whole team. Yellow is gone until Dec 30 -- there is no more second place curse as KT showed in Winner's league. Oh, Jaedong couldn't win against you? So you're going to practice Hyuk to snipe Flash? Good luck with that.
The playoffs were over before they started.
Jaedong beat your entire team before, and SKT pummeled Jaedong. What does that say for your chances? Absolutely nonexistent. Hyuk beat Jaedong, and that's the point: even a n00b like Hyuk, when given the blessing of the SK Telecom T1, is good enough to beat stars. So KTFlash won WL, a really worthless competition. Yellow won some non-sanctioned competition too. KT is just a projection of Yellow: destined to always be close, but never quite enough. Win differential, so what? It doesn't mean anything other than that you can have your fluky players beat some teams in games they dont care that much about. You are forever Yellow cursed. SKT is the King of PL, and KT is the King of Silver. It is and will always be that way, forever. SKT has 2 bonjwas lending their brilliance to SKT, while you only have a few players who scraped off a silver or two in their SL career, overshadowed forever by SKT's greats.
Rofl, Jaedong killed our whole team literally over a year ago. Flash killed your whole team this season, a few months ago, in recent memory. He 3-0'd your PvT "master" like a chump in the MSL, Fantasy himself is scared of him. You are nothing before Flash.
And yeah, I'm glad you conceded that our supporting crew have "fluky" wins. Our supporting crew has more wins than your "supporting" crew which is supposedly made up of 2 aces players and the "revived" SKT zergs. Our ace is better than your whole team, our supporting crew is better than your whole team. You talk about us scraping silvers yet there you stand with Fantasy, the follower of stork in the silver dynasty, leading your team and your second ace, Best, with only one silver to his name. Get back to me when your precious SKT terrans can win a title in the past 5 years. KT's got 2.
You keep bringing up yellow. Saying silver silver silver. We won WL already. There's no perceived yellow curse. How's it feel knowing that the only chance you ever had of stopping KT -- yellow's curse -- is safely tucked away in the airforce? KT has something like a 90% winrate over SKT and now we can finally capitalize on it with yellow gone. Have fun with second place!
On August 03 2010 02:28 TwoToneTerran wrote: Haha, how's it feel to be so wrong? So very wrong?
KT, after R1, had a higher win differential than any team has now besides KT itself.
And I like how you hold flash against us. Flash, by himself, has proven to be better than your whole team. Yellow is gone until Dec 30 -- there is no more second place curse as KT showed in Winner's league. Oh, Jaedong couldn't win against you? So you're going to practice Hyuk to snipe Flash? Good luck with that.
The playoffs were over before they started.
Jaedong beat your entire team before, and SKT pummeled Jaedong. What does that say for your chances? Absolutely nonexistent. Hyuk beat Jaedong, and that's the point: even a n00b like Hyuk, when given the blessing of the SK Telecom T1, is good enough to beat stars. So KTFlash won WL, a really worthless competition. Yellow won some non-sanctioned competition too. KT is just a projection of Yellow: destined to always be close, but never quite enough. Win differential, so what? It doesn't mean anything other than that you can have your fluky players beat some teams in games they dont care that much about. You are forever Yellow cursed. SKT is the King of PL, and KT is the King of Silver. It is and will always be that way, forever. SKT has 2 bonjwas lending their brilliance to SKT, while you only have a few players who scraped off a silver or two in their SL career, overshadowed forever by SKT's greats.
Good that you remember Flash rolling over SKT in the WL and around the same time beating BeSt in MSL as if he was some random chump.
Whatever happens, I hope KT does not win 3-4 after being down 3-0. Anything but that order of outcome.
I bet KT knew they would be playing against SKT1, after they beat CJ. They will probably be well-prepared. I fear the sniping abilities of their zerg lineup and Stats.
SKT is just too good right now. KT hasnt gotten much playtime, just practice, and SKT's wave of momentum is preparing to crash down on KT and an onslaught will ensue.
On August 03 2010 02:28 TwoToneTerran wrote: Haha, how's it feel to be so wrong? So very wrong?
KT, after R1, had a higher win differential than any team has now besides KT itself.
And I like how you hold flash against us. Flash, by himself, has proven to be better than your whole team. Yellow is gone until Dec 30 -- there is no more second place curse as KT showed in Winner's league. Oh, Jaedong couldn't win against you? So you're going to practice Hyuk to snipe Flash? Good luck with that.
The playoffs were over before they started.
Jaedong beat your entire team before, and SKT pummeled Jaedong. What does that say for your chances? Absolutely nonexistent. Hyuk beat Jaedong, and that's the point: even a n00b like Hyuk, when given the blessing of the SK Telecom T1, is good enough to beat stars. So KTFlash won WL, a really worthless competition. Yellow won some non-sanctioned competition too. KT is just a projection of Yellow: destined to always be close, but never quite enough. Win differential, so what? It doesn't mean anything other than that you can have your fluky players beat some teams in games they dont care that much about. You are forever Yellow cursed. SKT is the King of PL, and KT is the King of Silver. It is and will always be that way, forever. SKT has 2 bonjwas lending their brilliance to SKT, while you only have a few players who scraped off a silver or two in their SL career, overshadowed forever by SKT's greats.
you take this really seriously huh?
It's obligatory trash talk. What good is a finals without some fanboyism?
On August 03 2010 02:28 TwoToneTerran wrote: Haha, how's it feel to be so wrong? So very wrong?
KT, after R1, had a higher win differential than any team has now besides KT itself.
And I like how you hold flash against us. Flash, by himself, has proven to be better than your whole team. Yellow is gone until Dec 30 -- there is no more second place curse as KT showed in Winner's league. Oh, Jaedong couldn't win against you? So you're going to practice Hyuk to snipe Flash? Good luck with that.
The playoffs were over before they started.
Jaedong beat your entire team before, and SKT pummeled Jaedong. What does that say for your chances? Absolutely nonexistent. Hyuk beat Jaedong, and that's the point: even a n00b like Hyuk, when given the blessing of the SK Telecom T1, is good enough to beat stars. So KTFlash won WL, a really worthless competition. Yellow won some non-sanctioned competition too. KT is just a projection of Yellow: destined to always be close, but never quite enough. Win differential, so what? It doesn't mean anything other than that you can have your fluky players beat some teams in games they dont care that much about. You are forever Yellow cursed. SKT is the King of PL, and KT is the King of Silver. It is and will always be that way, forever. SKT has 2 bonjwas lending their brilliance to SKT, while you only have a few players who scraped off a silver or two in their SL career, overshadowed forever by SKT's greats.
Rofl, Jaedong killed our whole team literally over a year ago. Flash killed your whole team this season, a few months ago, in recent memory. He 3-0'd your PvT "master" like a chump in the MSL, Fantasy himself is scared of him. You are nothing before Flash.
And yeah, I'm glad you conceded that our supporting crew have "fluky" wins. Our supporting crew has more wins than your "supporting" crew which is supposedly made up of 2 aces players and the "revived" SKT zergs. Our ace is better than your whole team, our supporting crew is better than your whole team. You talk about us scraping silvers yet there you stand with Fantasy, the follower of stork in the silver dynasty, leading your team and your second ace, Best, with only one silver to his name. Get back to me when your precious SKT terrans can win a title in the past 5 years. KT's got 2.
You keep bringing up yellow. Saying silver silver silver. We won WL already. There's no perceived yellow curse. How's it feel knowing that the only chance you ever had of stopping KT -- yellow's curse -- is safely tucked away in the airforce? KT has something like a 90% winrate over SKT and now we can finally capitalize on it with yellow gone. Have fun with second place!
Yellow won some pointless silly tournament too, that's the equivalent of WL. And we all know it wasn't KT that won WL, but Flash alone. A few lucky wins, maybe a few against SKT players with a few lucky plays, but nothing more. SKT still has its old history of gold winners lendng us strength. The 2 bonjwas are still with us. But who really still is left in your team? All your 'stars' with barely a title or two to their name already left. Why did they leave? Because they knew the team would never be anything special, only a team of silver. Your ace may be better than a slumping team, but that's true with any ace, even among the weakest. Terran titles? We have plenty among Boxer and Oov. But terrans are nothing special, it's the protoss titles that really count. The MSL is a true test of your ability, and our protoss revolutionary thrice triumphed over the competition. SKTZergs are the support? Not a chance. We have the best protoss duo, the terran who is a fusion of two terran bonjwas, a backup terran killer, and after that a number of extra zergs that match your main lineup(in Bo5) in skill. KTFlash is so unbelievably shallow, that the only way you can hope to win anything is by fluking your way into an ace. And you only have one ace, we have three. Three people who will dismantle your beloved ace and any hopes you could have had of winning.
On August 03 2010 02:28 TwoToneTerran wrote: Haha, how's it feel to be so wrong? So very wrong?
KT, after R1, had a higher win differential than any team has now besides KT itself.
And I like how you hold flash against us. Flash, by himself, has proven to be better than your whole team. Yellow is gone until Dec 30 -- there is no more second place curse as KT showed in Winner's league. Oh, Jaedong couldn't win against you? So you're going to practice Hyuk to snipe Flash? Good luck with that.
The playoffs were over before they started.
Jaedong beat your entire team before, and SKT pummeled Jaedong. What does that say for your chances? Absolutely nonexistent. Hyuk beat Jaedong, and that's the point: even a n00b like Hyuk, when given the blessing of the SK Telecom T1, is good enough to beat stars. So KTFlash won WL, a really worthless competition. Yellow won some non-sanctioned competition too. KT is just a projection of Yellow: destined to always be close, but never quite enough. Win differential, so what? It doesn't mean anything other than that you can have your fluky players beat some teams in games they dont care that much about. You are forever Yellow cursed. SKT is the King of PL, and KT is the King of Silver. It is and will always be that way, forever. SKT has 2 bonjwas lending their brilliance to SKT, while you only have a few players who scraped off a silver or two in their SL career, overshadowed forever by SKT's greats.
you take this really seriously huh?
It's obligatory trash talk. What good is a finals without some fanboyism?
Flash has achieved enlightenment. He recently destroyed the best Zerg ever 3-0.
Yeah, I agree. Bisu demolished KT protosses every single time he played them
Wait Bisu hasn't won a single game against KT tosses?
How about best?
The only game an SKT toss has won against a KT toss was in 2008
Well, I am glad that the KT tosses have something to be proud of! It's not like they have ever won any gold or silver in the leagues or took the proleague gold home or carried their own team or have a proven track record of being clutch when it counts in high pressure situations like, oh, the proleague final. Heck, they were once even considered to be amongst the weakest racial lineups amongst all teams. But I am glad that they were able to seize the opportunities when the SKT tosses are down and slumping to kick them in the backside.
This way, we can actually be convinced that KT toss is capable of providing us fans with some entertainment with good games! We can't possibly have all the winds blowing toward SKT toss' directions after all for the sake of the spirit of the competition. Bisu is too handsome as he is and Best is buff enough as he is. We must respect the chin.
considering the great recent form of bisu and best, not even the most rabid kt fanboy could seriously argue that in the current form, violet and stats would be better than bisu and best. before day2 of the semifinals, bisu and best went for a combined 13-1 during the playoffs, carrying the whole team despite fantasy failing his regular set again and again and the skt zergs crushing down to their usual uselessness. and on day2 against stx, our tosses fail for the first time during the playoffs - and what happens? some other players step in and secure the win. now thats my definition of a clutch team, a team of winners.
edit -- also I am literally sick at the redundant "KTFlash" assholes. Jesus christ have you not watched a single game of proleague this whole season? It would explain the absolute inundation of idiocy when people talk about KT like they know what's up. People want to pretend that KT is only Flash because the idea that there's a team behind the best player in the world scares them. They choose to leave out the fact that, while not as good a specialist as either Best or Bisu, Stats and Violet can actually play all three matchups without embarrassing themselves. They subtly forget that ForGG cruised his way into the MSL by crushing Free, a guy who has taken out both Flash and Fantasy in recent memory, coupled with solid TvT and a TvZ that Fantasy wishes he could have. They try to pretend that SKT Zergs are of some worth, some merit, because it's nice to think that they might have KT beat somewhere on the lineup, but the playoffs have shown that to be delusional.
They constantly try to downplay KT by bringing up age old curses and doing their absolute best to shove aside the team's accomplishments, knowing full well they'd be flaunting that WL title high if they were actually good enough to win it. We are the #1 seed, and for damn good reason. This season is ours, it has been ours since we fumbled at the finish line last year and needed to make a point -- and we did. We completely dominated you and spent half of the season playing subpar lineups and still came out well above the top. This is our house.
Keep living in your fantasy world, SKT fans, I'll be waiting over here in reality.
From an objective standpoint, I think SKT are in trouble. If Flash faces T1's big three, he is a favorite. With one of them down SKT zerg or Canata will have to step up. But KT's supporting lineup is really solid and it will be very tough for any of those to take a game. Even if Canata or SKT zerg gets sacrificed to Flash, and the SKT trio wins, they will still need a win from the supporting lineup to avoid ace. I feel like ace is almost insta-win for KT.
What I'm saying is that SKT better have great match picking and snipe builds ready if they wanna a shot at KT. Luckily they've shown that in the past and Coach Park is brilliant, but KT is just such a powerhouse.
Stop arguing, it's taking this thread nowhere. SKT fans, please, you have your own (and bigger) thread, and made by an OP who has 13k posts. I don't know if any KT fan has gone into your thread and trashtalk, but I sure didn't. So go back there and vent your anti-KT bash rant. Sure history is on your side as 2005 has seen the culmination of Boxer+Oov generation triumph over the combined might of Reach+Ra+Yellow but this is 2010. This is a different era after all.
On August 03 2010 10:51 dtnmang wrote: Stop arguing, it's taking this thread nowhere. SKT fans, please, you have your own (and bigger) thread, and made by an OP who has 13k posts. I don't know if any KT fan has gone into your thread and trashtalk, but I sure didn't. So go back there and vent your anti-KT bash rant. Sure history is on your side as 2005 has seen the culmination of Boxer+Oov generation triumph over the combined might of Reach+Ra+Yellow but this is 2010. This is a different era after all.
Calm down man. Most of the trash talk in this thread is fun and playful, meant to hype stuff up. You're the one being a downer in this thread.
you really can't argue the fact that kt has demonstrated they're no.1 by a mile. while r5 flash wasn't as impressive his team perked up some. kt has had some time for a wee bit of r&r and skt is showing signs of fatigue, and has exposed some weakness and predictable strategies. had skt been in the no2 spot i would've expected them to win the finals. i expect a 4-2 kt without flash even needing to play.
SKT fans are hilarious. We have been killing your team for the whole season and now "history" and "destiny" will let you win. OK.
KT is a better team than SKT. Better supporting crew and a much better ace. SKT needs a lot of luck to win this final. This isn't Jaedong Oz. KT players have been strong recently
On August 03 2010 11:10 Vasoline73 wrote: SKT fans are hilarious. We have been killing your team for the whole season and now "history" and "destiny" will let you win. OK.
KT is a better team than SKT. Better supporting crew and a much better ace. SKT needs a lot of luck to win this final. This isn't Jaedong Oz. KT players have been strong recently
How soon you forgot your recent loss against us in ace match.
Bisu, Best and Canata are performing again. This is a whole different ball game. Unlike your Zergs, at least our Zergs can potentially bring the bacon home as Ro5 has proven. Hyuk got into dual Ro16, beating ForGG convincingly along the way too. Your Zergs have contributed nothing since Luxury left in disgrace.
^lol nuff said. well anyways i've always thought that skt and kt were both evenly matched in terms of tosses and failzergs..and kt slightly ahead in terrans now that THE PRETENDER is back...
who knows..wwe might see snipes for both teams the entire bo7 :3
Yeah, I agree. Bisu demolished KT protosses every single time he played them
Wait Bisu hasn't won a single game against KT tosses?
How about best?
The only game an SKT toss has won against a KT toss was in 2008
Well, I am glad that the KT tosses have something to be proud of! It's not like they have ever won any gold or silver in the leagues or took the proleague gold home or carried their own team or have a proven track record of being clutch when it counts in high pressure situations like, oh, the proleague final. Heck, they were once even considered to be amongst the weakest racial lineups amongst all teams. But I am glad that they were able to seize the opportunities when the SKT tosses are down and slumping to kick them in the backside.
This way, we can actually be convinced that KT toss is capable of providing us fans with some entertainment with good games! We can't possibly have all the winds blowing toward SKT toss' directions after all for the sake of the spirit of the competition. Bisu is too handsome as he is and Best is buff enough as he is. We must respect the chin.
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
On August 03 2010 13:58 {ToT}ColmA wrote: i like these kind of threads, gj
hoping for some good games as i only root for good games and dont care about the teams ^^
I envy you. Somehow (Boxer) I became a SKT fan, but not being fans of particular teams in other sports allows me to enjoy games in those sports no matter who wins.
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
Oh my! From your wordings, your beloved Chintoss and Violet must have won a league while I wasn't looking! If Best did jack compare to those two, I imagine that they are raping proleague way back in 2007! Maybe they even helped their team to take proleague gold last year! Surely both of them must be alive in both leagues. I mean, Bisu is only alive in the OSL. Just three SKT players out of their team of eighteen players managed to dual leagued Ro16s this season=lol lol.
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
Heck, TLPD even says that Violet is only 2-8 in his last 10 PL matches while Stats fashions an fabulous 6-4 record in his last 10 PL matches. I mean, those numbers are hot damn, real PL monsters!
Best's pathetic 7-3 record in his last 10 PL matches and Bisu's laughable 8-2 record for his last 10 PL matches are jokes in comparison! And you know what's the worst part? Best got 6 of those 7 wins from the PL playoff while Bisu got 7 of his 8 wins from the playoff. Everybody know that the playoff is a joke for kiddies. It's not like anybody actually practice their souls out for the playoff. Those apple phones of KT are totally raping the android phones of SKT. With that money, KT already outbid SKT and bought the trophy through underground auction. Playoff is just a formality, for, you know, entertainment purpose. Even if SKT somehow fluke a win, they'd just get a replica. The REAL trophy is already sitting in KT's house. That's how ballers play it! YYYYEAAAHHH!
I heard that this Hoejja guy is a real character, a born ZvP sniper. You can see something fierce in his eyes. The guy dismantled Tyson, who is probably related to Michael Gerard "Mike" Tyson in some sort of way no less, just a month ago. Yeah, he did lose to Best about 3 months ago. But we all know that Best was a PvZ bonjwa 3 months ago on that PARTICULAR day when he faced against Hoejja. Losing to Best on that PARTICULAR day was no shame. Heck, it even proves something. Did you know that this Hoejja's last ZvP victory before the rape of Tyson was half a year plus one month ago? I say this kid got some fire bottled up, ready to unleash upon this so called "Jaedong Slayer" joke of a Beesuit.
Yeah, you are right. I am enlightened! KT Tosses and KT Zergs are true power houses! Whoever heard of those SKT Tosses or Zergs? Noobs, all of them.
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
Oh my! From your wordings, your beloved Chintoss and Violet must have won a league while I wasn't looking! If Best did jack compare to those two, I imagine that they are raping proleague way back in 2007! Maybe they even helped their team to take proleague gold last year! Surely both of them must be alive in both leagues. I mean, Bisu is only alive in the OSL. Just three SKT players out of their team of eighteen players managed to dual leagued Ro16s this season=lol lol.
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
Heck, TLPD even says that Violet is only 2-8 in his last 10 PL matches while Stats fashions an fabulous 6-4 record in his last 10 PL matches. I mean, those numbers are hot damn, real PL monsters!
Best's pathetic 7-3 record in his last 10 PL matches and Bisu's laughable 8-2 record for his last 10 PL matches are jokes in comparison! And you know what's the worst part? Best got 6 of those 7 wins from the PL playoff while Bisu got 7 of his 8 wins from the playoff. Everybody know that the playoff is a joke for kiddies. It's not like anybody actually practice their souls out for the playoff. Those apple phones of KT are totally raping the android phones of SKT. With that money, KT already outbid SKT and bought the trophy through underground auction. Playoff is just a formality, for, you know, entertainment purpose. Even if SKT somehow fluke a win, they'd just get a replica. The REAL trophy is already sitting in KT's house. That's how ballers play it! YYYYEAAAHHH!
I heard that this Hoejja guy is a real character, a born ZvP sniper. You can see something fierce in his eyes. The guy dismantled Tyson, who is probably related to Michael Gerard "Mike" Tyson in some sort of way no less, just a month ago. Yeah, he did lose to Best about 3 months ago. But we all know that Best was a PvZ bonjwa 3 months ago on that PARTICULAR day when he faced against Hoejja. Losing to Best on that PARTICULAR day was no shame. Heck, it even proves something. Did you know that this Hoejja's last ZvP victory before the rape of Tyson was half a year plus one month ago? I say this kid got some fire bottled up, ready to unleash upon this so called "Jaedong Slayer" joke of a Beesuit.
Yeah, you are right. I am enlightened! KT Tosses and KT Zergs are true power houses! Whoever heard of those SKT Tosses or Zergs? Noobs, all of them.
How's it feel to be so wrong and insecure that you have to post in the "KT will win" thread to support your team? You ahve the biggest fanbase on and off of TL, yet here you are, desperately arguing somewhere else to get some pittance of agreement. I'd say go back to your own thread, but you obviously don't believe or care enough to say that SKT1 will win. You just come here to pretend KT will lose. =)
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
Oh my! From your wordings, your beloved Chintoss and Violet must have won a league while I wasn't looking! If Best did jack compare to those two, I imagine that they are raping proleague way back in 2007! Maybe they even helped their team to take proleague gold last year! Surely both of them must be alive in both leagues. I mean, Bisu is only alive in the OSL. Just three SKT players out of their team of eighteen players managed to dual leagued Ro16s this season=lol lol.
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
Heck, TLPD even says that Violet is only 2-8 in his last 10 PL matches while Stats fashions an fabulous 6-4 record in his last 10 PL matches. I mean, those numbers are hot damn, real PL monsters!
Best's pathetic 7-3 record in his last 10 PL matches and Bisu's laughable 8-2 record for his last 10 PL matches are jokes in comparison! And you know what's the worst part? Best got 6 of those 7 wins from the PL playoff while Bisu got 7 of his 8 wins from the playoff. Everybody know that the playoff is a joke for kiddies. It's not like anybody actually practice their souls out for the playoff. Those apple phones of KT are totally raping the android phones of SKT. With that money, KT already outbid SKT and bought the trophy through underground auction. Playoff is just a formality, for, you know, entertainment purpose. Even if SKT somehow fluke a win, they'd just get a replica. The REAL trophy is already sitting in KT's house. That's how ballers play it! YYYYEAAAHHH!
I heard that this Hoejja guy is a real character, a born ZvP sniper. You can see something fierce in his eyes. The guy dismantled Tyson, who is probably related to Michael Gerard "Mike" Tyson in some sort of way no less, just a month ago. Yeah, he did lose to Best about 3 months ago. But we all know that Best was a PvZ bonjwa 3 months ago on that PARTICULAR day when he faced against Hoejja. Losing to Best on that PARTICULAR day was no shame. Heck, it even proves something. Did you know that this Hoejja's last ZvP victory before the rape of Tyson was half a year plus one month ago? I say this kid got some fire bottled up, ready to unleash upon this so called "Jaedong Slayer" joke of a Beesuit.
Yeah, you are right. I am enlightened! KT Tosses and KT Zergs are true power houses! Whoever heard of those SKT Tosses or Zergs? Noobs, all of them.
How's it feel to be so wrong and insecure that you have to post in the "KT will win" thread to support your team? You ahve the biggest fanbase on and off of TL, yet here you are, desperately arguing somewhere else to get some pittance of agreement. I'd say go back to your own thread, but you obviously don't believe or care enough to say that SKT1 will win. You just come here to pretend KT will lose. =)
And why pretend that you KT fanboys never visited and argued in our SKT will win thread?
We don't need to insecurely assert ourselves on your turf to try to make you feel bad. We know we're better, we gain nothing by sullying ourselves with your presence, and we haven't even touched your thread since you made the finals -- it's all been you guys ranting and raving at us like dogs looking for a bone. Peace. 8)
Why KT will win: Flash won't lose. Therefore SKT needs to win 4-1 or 4-2. They have too many failzergs, and KT has too many solid players, for this to happen. If it gets to the ace match, SKT has already lost.
so true, flash in ace match owns all. Or an unexpected chintoss will win. KT has just too many solid players but we all know that the win relies on the matchups for each player. In that way the win could be skt's or kt's. But ya know, we have flash! :D
Although we didn't get to an ACE match, and the games really weren't that great, I'm glad that SKT lost to you guys instead of any other team. You guys prepared well, played well, and deserve it.
I'd say we were evenly matched, only losing because of a few lucky shots and innate advantages and disadvantages, I'll concede it. You guys win this proleague season. Don't be losers next round and make our loss here look bad.
But look out, because SKT isn't finished. They'll still be here next season. And then, let's keep this rivalry alive.
You got us back. Now we're even. Meet you next finals.
On August 07 2010 22:27 Scaramanga wrote: How are we evenly matched when we just beat you 4-2 when your superstar starleauge champ lost so badly Wasn't even close rofl
dukethegold, Lightwip and friends are going to have nightmares tonight. Not that I'm talking about every SKT fan. Just those who goes into this thread and trashtalk. And no, the games were not even. KT players outplayed, if not outclassed SKT players in all of their victories today. They played exceptionally well as reflected in their decision making. And in the same manner as the playoffs, KT's ultimate victory reflected their whole performance this season.
I wonder when dukethegold is going ot post on this thread SKT did a good job winning it all the way up to the finals, but KT just dominated. For those who have been KT fans from 06~07, this win really means everything to us
On August 07 2010 22:27 Scaramanga wrote: How are we evenly matched when we just beat you 4-2 when your superstar starleauge champ lost so badly Wasn't even close rofl
lol 4-2 is close, only 1 game away from 4-3. SKT wasn't prepared for KT's strategies, and it really showed this series. Regardless of that, SKT put up a good fight and the next time KT won't have such a big strategical edge
On August 07 2010 23:21 KwarK wrote: Who'd have thought using the same PvP build on the same map in your last six games would ever backfire on you, Bisu.
Except.. Bisu only used DT Forge Expo twice on Polaris Rhaspody before today. In fact, opening builds were almost exactly the same as Bisu vs Pure 2. Problems were that Bisu decided to go 2 gate before expo, which was bad against Core-expo-obs, and Stats' abuse of Bisu's lack of intel by taking 1 mega fast.
On August 07 2010 23:10 nozaro33 wrote: I wonder when dukethegold is going ot post on this thread SKT did a good job winning it all the way up to the finals, but KT just dominated. For those who have been KT fans from 06~07, this win really means everything to us
Yup. You guys deserved the win. I'm SKT fan and all, but winner is a winner and loser is a loser. There's a clear line.
What has happened to the SKT1 fanboys? I remember back in the day if SKT1 lost the forum would explode with rage and tears, and now they actually congratulate KT and saying they are the best team? Must be because they all went to SC2 and nerdrage there..
On August 07 2010 23:10 nozaro33 wrote: I wonder when dukethegold is going ot post on this thread SKT did a good job winning it all the way up to the finals, but KT just dominated. For those who have been KT fans from 06~07, this win really means everything to us
Yup. You guys deserved the win. I'm SKT fan and all, but winner is a winner and loser is a loser. There's a clear line.
On August 08 2010 01:45 Patrio wrote: What has happened to the SKT1 fanboys? I remember back in the day if SKT1 lost the forum would explode with rage and tears, and now they actually congratulate KT and saying they are the best team? Must be because they all went to SC2 and nerdrage there..
Congrats KToss!
There are locked in their dark rooms weeping
But I have to admit SKT fans surprised me positively. After some cocky posts before the finals they actually didn't nerd-raged after the match itself.
On August 08 2010 01:45 Patrio wrote: What has happened to the SKT1 fanboys? I remember back in the day if SKT1 lost the forum would explode with rage and tears, and now they actually congratulate KT and saying they are the best team? Must be because they all went to SC2 and nerdrage there..
Feels good to see SKT lose after so much trashtalk going on in this thread. I've always liked KT, and I was really pulling for them since there was really no hope of STX getting past SKT in the playoffs. Congrats!
Seeing that KT has made as much financial investment into e-sport as SKT, if not more, I believe that the team deserves its victory celebration after a decade of underwhelming achievement. SKT are born winners and they can always win next year. Besides, we already made a point by forcing our way into GwanAhnLee from the very bottom.
Hey, I got to see Best's shirt ripping ceremony, the best ceremony of the night no doubt, I am good.
On August 08 2010 01:45 Patrio wrote: What has happened to the SKT1 fanboys? I remember back in the day if SKT1 lost the forum would explode with rage and tears, and now they actually congratulate KT and saying they are the best team? Must be because they all went to SC2 and nerdrage there..
Congrats KToss!
It's because when we lose, all the idiot fans jump ship to look for a new bandwagon.
Congratulations to KT. And special props to Stats. While most of the other results were fairly easy to call, Stats' clever play is what really let KT end this set in 6, IMO (though realistically, I don't think SKT's chances were great even if it got to game 7).
EDIT: It'll also be interesting to see how much Flash's Kespa ranking goes up again at the end of the month.
On August 08 2010 04:22 Lightwip wrote: Congratulations. You played well and deserved the win. Too bad there really weren't any good games. + Show Spoiler +
i'm as impressed as much by the coaching staff as i am the players and games. KT's lineup maneuvers created a 1 game elimination scenario for SK where they had to use their 4th best player against a top2 player in the game right now... unbelievable.
GG I only watched up to Forgg v best. His loss was expected. Both team's zergs are free win. Good thing KT has 3rd protoss to make up not to use a 2nd zerg.
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
Oh my! From your wordings, your beloved Chintoss and Violet must have won a league while I wasn't looking! If Best did jack compare to those two, I imagine that they are raping proleague way back in 2007! Maybe they even helped their team to take proleague gold last year! Surely both of them must be alive in both leagues. I mean, Bisu is only alive in the OSL. Just three SKT players out of their team of eighteen players managed to dual leagued Ro16s this season=lol lol.
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
Heck, TLPD even says that Violet is only 2-8 in his last 10 PL matches while Stats fashions an fabulous 6-4 record in his last 10 PL matches. I mean, those numbers are hot damn, real PL monsters!
Best's pathetic 7-3 record in his last 10 PL matches and Bisu's laughable 8-2 record for his last 10 PL matches are jokes in comparison! And you know what's the worst part? Best got 6 of those 7 wins from the PL playoff while Bisu got 7 of his 8 wins from the playoff. Everybody know that the playoff is a joke for kiddies. It's not like anybody actually practice their souls out for the playoff. Those apple phones of KT are totally raping the android phones of SKT. With that money, KT already outbid SKT and bought the trophy through underground auction. Playoff is just a formality, for, you know, entertainment purpose. Even if SKT somehow fluke a win, they'd just get a replica. The REAL trophy is already sitting in KT's house. That's how ballers play it! YYYYEAAAHHH!
I heard that this Hoejja guy is a real character, a born ZvP sniper. You can see something fierce in his eyes. The guy dismantled Tyson, who is probably related to Michael Gerard "Mike" Tyson in some sort of way no less, just a month ago. Yeah, he did lose to Best about 3 months ago. But we all know that Best was a PvZ bonjwa 3 months ago on that PARTICULAR day when he faced against Hoejja. Losing to Best on that PARTICULAR day was no shame. Heck, it even proves something. Did you know that this Hoejja's last ZvP victory before the rape of Tyson was half a year plus one month ago? I say this kid got some fire bottled up, ready to unleash upon this so called "Jaedong Slayer" joke of a Beesuit.
Yeah, you are right. I am enlightened! KT Tosses and KT Zergs are true power houses! Whoever heard of those SKT Tosses or Zergs? Noobs, all of them.
haha i had a fantastic time reading your post. it made me want KT to win even more. well, thank god our kt "power houses" with our "hot" and "baller" records!!!
Yeah, I agree. Bisu demolished KT protosses every single time he played them
Wait Bisu hasn't won a single game against KT tosses?
How about best?
The only game an SKT toss has won against a KT toss was in 2008
Well, I am glad that the KT tosses have something to be proud of! It's not like they have ever won any gold or silver in the leagues or took the proleague gold home or carried their own team or have a proven track record of being clutch when it counts in high pressure situations like, oh, the proleague final. Heck, they were once even considered to be amongst the weakest racial lineups amongst all teams. But I am glad that they were able to seize the opportunities when the SKT tosses are down and slumping to kick them in the backside.
This way, we can actually be convinced that KT toss is capable of providing us fans with some entertainment with good games! We can't possibly have all the winds blowing toward SKT toss' directions after all for the sake of the spirit of the competition. Bisu is too handsome as he is and Best is buff enough as he is. We must respect the chin.
On August 08 2010 04:02 dukethegold wrote: Well, congratulations are in order.
Seeing that KT has made as much financial investment into e-sport as SKT, if not more, I believe that the team deserves its victory celebration after a decade of underwhelming achievement. SKT are born winners and they can always win next year. Besides, we already made a point by forcing our way into GwanAhnLee from the very bottom.
Hey, I got to see Best's shirt ripping ceremony, the best ceremony of the night no doubt, I am good.
I just want to let you know that i will be scrambling over SKT threads to look for your posts. They just make my day.
I'm really upset I never looked at the posts for this thread earlier
But if you were to tell me, Bisu would get a PvP, Tempest would PvZ, and Best got to snipe ForGG, I would have guaranteed a SKT1 victory. But as the interview said, S2 was completely nervous and Bisu's play was so predictable. I actually think this was bigger for Stats. I laughed at this rookie but apparently he's not bad.
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
And Do Jae Wook Sairs have their own nicknames. Enough said about him >_> Don't mess with Stats (and other KTs that I didn't read through), SKT fanboy =/
K so I skimmed through some of it for entertainment's sake. You forgot the part where KT didn't have playoff matches to get wins off of since they had already raped everyone else enough in the first 5 seasons to get to the Finals straight through, and the part about SKT zergs being slightly lesser of value than jokes except for that small period of the later seasons where they had a couple streaks (hoejjaplay is indeed truly quality lolsy btw). And for the sake of it I'll add the part about how the word Flash doesn't appear in your post about KT Rolster, but Bisu and Best do about SKT1 =/.
Seeing that KT has made as much financial investment into e-sport as SKT, if not more, I believe that the team deserves its victory celebration after a decade of underwhelming achievement. SKT are born winners and they can always win next year. Besides, we already made a point by forcing our way into GwanAhnLee from the very bottom.
Go back to that guy you pay to wear the bunkie costume and cry more about how much KT spends. Sigh.. gotta love the fanboyism this season =/
Seeing that KT has made as much financial investment into e-sport as SKT, if not more, I believe that the team deserves its victory celebration after a decade of underwhelming achievement. SKT are born winners and they can always win next year. Besides, we already made a point by forcing our way into GwanAhnLee from the very bottom.
this statement is so ironic if you watch any other teams sponsored by SKT in Korea hahahahahahahaha
On August 08 2010 08:11 poptartazn wrote: Go back to that guy you pay to wear the bunkie costume and cry more about how much KT spends. Sigh.. gotta love the fanboyism this season =/
I remember hearing a rumor that they get a player to wear the bunkie costume.
Also, some people take this healthy pre-match BM a little too seriously.
On August 08 2010 07:58 catabowl wrote: But if you were to tell me, Bisu would get a PvP, Tempest would PvZ, and Best got to snipe ForGG, I would have guaranteed a SKT1 victory. But as the interview said, S2 was completely nervous and Bisu's play was so predictable. I actually think this was bigger for Stats. I laughed at this rookie but apparently he's not bad.
The Chintoss is a badass. I've been a fan since he carried my Fantasy Winner's League Team, and he hasn't let me down since.
KT has a pretty nice homegrown team. Yes, Flash was technically traded from Pantech, but that was back when he was a complete unknown (hadn't played a single match with Pantech).
Forgg was bought, and he has been helpful, though not spectacular.
On August 08 2010 08:11 poptartazn wrote: Go back to that guy you pay to wear the bunkie costume and cry more about how much KT spends. Sigh.. gotta love the fanboyism this season =/
I remember hearing a rumor that they get a player to wear the bunkie costume.
Also, some people take this healthy pre-match BM a little too seriously.
On August 08 2010 07:58 catabowl wrote: But if you were to tell me, Bisu would get a PvP, Tempest would PvZ, and Best got to snipe ForGG, I would have guaranteed a SKT1 victory. But as the interview said, S2 was completely nervous and Bisu's play was so predictable. I actually think this was bigger for Stats. I laughed at this rookie but apparently he's not bad.
The Chintoss is a badass. I've been a fan since he carried my Fantasy Winner's League Team, and he hasn't let me down since.
ooo bunkie's a player? didn't know that.. And meh, its just fun to pick apart a rambling fanboy, regardless of team =/ and side note, Kim Daeyoup was an amazing buy back then =X
On August 08 2010 13:11 SimonB wrote: KT has a pretty nice homegrown team. Yes, Flash was technically traded from Pantech, but that was back when he was a complete unknown (hadn't played a single match with Pantech).
Forgg was bought, and he has been helpful, though not spectacular.
Every single KT player who won in the finals was homegrown from KT. It's an entirely different generation and even so much as an entirely different entity from old KTF who bought stars and made a stellar, loveable crew, if a bit tepid.
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
And Do Jae Wook Sairs have their own nicknames. Enough said about him >_> Don't mess with Stats (and other KTs that I didn't read through), SKT fanboy =/
K so I skimmed through some of it for entertainment's sake. You forgot the part where KT didn't have playoff matches to get wins off of since they had already raped everyone else enough in the first 5 seasons to get to the Finals straight through, and the part about SKT zergs being slightly lesser of value than jokes except for that small period of the later seasons where they had a couple streaks (hoejjaplay is indeed truly quality lolsy btw). And for the sake of it I'll add the part about how the word Flash doesn't appear in your post about KT Rolster, but Bisu and Best do about SKT1 =/.
Umm, you do realize that Bisu is 3-2 against Shine just as Jaedong is 3-2 against Hyuk, right? I mean, we should give credits where it is due. The fact that Jaedong is able to overcome Hyuk three times out of five is proof of his overwhelming strength, since we all know Hyuk is the next Zerg bonjwa. To discredit Hyuk's bonjwa status is the same as arguing that GuemChi isn't a bonjwa. Pie charts disagree. I don't see how it is shameful for Bisu to have a similar record against THE Typhoon Zerg. Not many players get nicks, especially KT Zergs. Arguing against the power of nickname is like arguing against pie charts or playing wrestling game with a sperm whale.
As for KT not having to play through the playoff, do you guys really want to open that bag of bed sores? I mean, heck, we SKT folks beat through 3 teams twice each, you guys beat us once and walked away with the title. In term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice. KT earned its advantage, but it's an unfair one. Life is unfair, not everybody can afford milk and cookies.
Hyuk made Ro16 dual leagues. gg no re. Bonjwa = yes/no
Hey, I never mentioned Fantasy either. If I mention Flash, then I would have had to mention Boxer and Oov, and we all know that's just unfair. Not as unfair as BO1 final, but almost as unfair as Yellow 0-5 finals and Oov 5-0 finals.
Seeing that KT has made as much financial investment into e-sport as SKT, if not more, I believe that the team deserves its victory celebration after a decade of underwhelming achievement. SKT are born winners and they can always win next year. Besides, we already made a point by forcing our way into GwanAhnLee from the very bottom.
Go back to that guy you pay to wear the bunkie costume and cry more about how much KT spends. Sigh.. gotta love the fanboyism this season =/
Oi, all KT does is copycatting SKT. SKT got a mascot, KT then gets a mascot. SKT got race specific coach, then KT also gets race specific coach. SKT wins the grand final, then KT wins the grand final. SKT is always one step ahead. The 2nd place curse, man, hard to break. But I have to admit, you guys are way ahead on the chin department. But at least our players have bigger nose.
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
And Do Jae Wook Sairs have their own nicknames. Enough said about him >_> Don't mess with Stats (and other KTs that I didn't read through), SKT fanboy =/
K so I skimmed through some of it for entertainment's sake. You forgot the part where KT didn't have playoff matches to get wins off of since they had already raped everyone else enough in the first 5 seasons to get to the Finals straight through, and the part about SKT zergs being slightly lesser of value than jokes except for that small period of the later seasons where they had a couple streaks (hoejjaplay is indeed truly quality lolsy btw). And for the sake of it I'll add the part about how the word Flash doesn't appear in your post about KT Rolster, but Bisu and Best do about SKT1 =/.
Umm, you do realize that Bisu is 3-2 against Shine just as Jaedong is 3-2 against Hyuk, right? I mean, we should give credits where it is due. The fact that Jaedong is able to overcome Hyuk three times out of five is proof of his overwhelming strength, since we all know Hyuk is the next Zerg bonjwa. To discredit Hyuk's bonjwa status is the same as arguing that GuemChi isn't a bonjwa. Pie charts disagree. I don't see how it is shameful for Bisu to have a similar record against THE Typhoon Zerg. Not many players get nicks, especially KT Zergs. Arguing against the power of nickname is like arguing against pie charts or playing wrestling game with a sperm whale.
As for KT not having to play through the playoff, do you guys really want to open that bag of bed sores? I mean, heck, we SKT folks beat through 3 teams twice each, you guys beat us once and walked away with the title. In term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice. KT earned its advantage, but it's an unfair one. Life is unfair, not everybody can afford milk and cookies.
Hyuk made Ro16 dual leagues. gg no re. Bonjwa = yes/no
Hey, I never mentioned Fantasy either. If I mention Flash, then I would have had to mention Boxer and Oov, and we all know that's just unfair. Not as unfair as BO1 final, but almost as unfair as Yellow 0-5 finals and Oov 5-0 finals.
Seeing that KT has made as much financial investment into e-sport as SKT, if not more, I believe that the team deserves its victory celebration after a decade of underwhelming achievement. SKT are born winners and they can always win next year. Besides, we already made a point by forcing our way into GwanAhnLee from the very bottom.
Go back to that guy you pay to wear the bunkie costume and cry more about how much KT spends. Sigh.. gotta love the fanboyism this season =/
Oi, all KT does is copycatting SKT. SKT got a mascot, KT then gets a mascot. SKT got race specific coach, then KT also gets race specific coach. SKT wins the grand final, then KT wins the grand final. SKT is always one step ahead. The 2nd place curse, man, hard to break. But I have to admit, you guys are way ahead on the chin department. But at least our players have bigger nose.
Glad to have you, thestool91.
I loled heartily @ this.
SKT just got outplayed, period, by the better team.
Edit: And getting Hyuked for the win was GOLD for KT. :D
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
And Do Jae Wook Sairs have their own nicknames. Enough said about him >_> Don't mess with Stats (and other KTs that I didn't read through), SKT fanboy =/
K so I skimmed through some of it for entertainment's sake. You forgot the part where KT didn't have playoff matches to get wins off of since they had already raped everyone else enough in the first 5 seasons to get to the Finals straight through, and the part about SKT zergs being slightly lesser of value than jokes except for that small period of the later seasons where they had a couple streaks (hoejjaplay is indeed truly quality lolsy btw). And for the sake of it I'll add the part about how the word Flash doesn't appear in your post about KT Rolster, but Bisu and Best do about SKT1 =/.
Umm, you do realize that Bisu is 3-2 against Shine just as Jaedong is 3-2 against Hyuk, right? I mean, we should give credits where it is due. The fact that Jaedong is able to overcome Hyuk three times out of five is proof of his overwhelming strength, since we all know Hyuk is the next Zerg bonjwa. To discredit Hyuk's bonjwa status is the same as arguing that GuemChi isn't a bonjwa. Pie charts disagree. I don't see how it is shameful for Bisu to have a similar record against THE Typhoon Zerg. Not many players get nicks, especially KT Zergs. Arguing against the power of nickname is like arguing against pie charts or playing wrestling game with a sperm whale.
As for KT not having to play through the playoff, do you guys really want to open that bag of bed sores? I mean, heck, we SKT folks beat through 3 teams twice each, you guys beat us once and walked away with the title. In term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice. KT earned its advantage, but it's an unfair one. Life is unfair, not everybody can afford milk and cookies.
Rofl goddamn either you are trolling (for some reason) or you are just an enormous hypocrite. SKT1 pulled ahead with the exact same advantage last season. It's not unfair. If there wasn't an advantageous seeding then there'd be absolutely no reason to do stellar in proleague. KT busted their asses for that position and proved how well they deserved it vs SKT.
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
And Do Jae Wook Sairs have their own nicknames. Enough said about him >_> Don't mess with Stats (and other KTs that I didn't read through), SKT fanboy =/
K so I skimmed through some of it for entertainment's sake. You forgot the part where KT didn't have playoff matches to get wins off of since they had already raped everyone else enough in the first 5 seasons to get to the Finals straight through, and the part about SKT zergs being slightly lesser of value than jokes except for that small period of the later seasons where they had a couple streaks (hoejjaplay is indeed truly quality lolsy btw). And for the sake of it I'll add the part about how the word Flash doesn't appear in your post about KT Rolster, but Bisu and Best do about SKT1 =/.
Umm, you do realize that Bisu is 3-2 against Shine just as Jaedong is 3-2 against Hyuk, right? I mean, we should give credits where it is due. The fact that Jaedong is able to overcome Hyuk three times out of five is proof of his overwhelming strength, since we all know Hyuk is the next Zerg bonjwa. To discredit Hyuk's bonjwa status is the same as arguing that GuemChi isn't a bonjwa. Pie charts disagree. I don't see how it is shameful for Bisu to have a similar record against THE Typhoon Zerg. Not many players get nicks, especially KT Zergs. Arguing against the power of nickname is like arguing against pie charts or playing wrestling game with a sperm whale.
As for KT not having to play through the playoff, do you guys really want to open that bag of bed sores? I mean, heck, we SKT folks beat through 3 teams twice each, you guys beat us once and walked away with the title. In term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice. KT earned its advantage, but it's an unfair one. Life is unfair, not everybody can afford milk and cookies.
Rofl goddamn either you are trolling (for some reason) or you are just an enormous hypocrite. SKT1 pulled ahead with the exact same advantage last season. It's not unfair. If there wasn't an advantageous seeding then there'd be absolutely no reason to do stellar in proleague. KT busted their asses for that position and proved how well they deserved it vs SKT.
I am neither. As for last year, that was a BO2 with superace. Huge difference, man. CJ roflstomped Oz 4-0 during Day 2 and lost anyway. SKT roflstomped Oz 4-0 Day 1, but Oz dragged to ace without Jaedong Day 2. Can't see how BO1 is a fair indication.
So? You don't think weeks of preparation time and study doesn't help with a super ace format? It's the same situation, regular season winner busts their ass to get an enormous advantage.
On August 08 2010 15:31 TwoToneTerran wrote: So? You don't think weeks of preparation time and study doesn't help with a super ace format? It's the same situation, regular season winner busts their ass to get an enormous advantage.
Well, before, all the teams have to go through the same format to win the title. This year, it's BO3 for everything except the grand final. Don't you think there is a bit...irregularity?
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
And Do Jae Wook Sairs have their own nicknames. Enough said about him >_> Don't mess with Stats (and other KTs that I didn't read through), SKT fanboy =/
K so I skimmed through some of it for entertainment's sake. You forgot the part where KT didn't have playoff matches to get wins off of since they had already raped everyone else enough in the first 5 seasons to get to the Finals straight through, and the part about SKT zergs being slightly lesser of value than jokes except for that small period of the later seasons where they had a couple streaks (hoejjaplay is indeed truly quality lolsy btw). And for the sake of it I'll add the part about how the word Flash doesn't appear in your post about KT Rolster, but Bisu and Best do about SKT1 =/.
Umm, you do realize that Bisu is 3-2 against Shine just as Jaedong is 3-2 against Hyuk, right? I mean, we should give credits where it is due. The fact that Jaedong is able to overcome Hyuk three times out of five is proof of his overwhelming strength, since we all know Hyuk is the next Zerg bonjwa. To discredit Hyuk's bonjwa status is the same as arguing that GuemChi isn't a bonjwa. Pie charts disagree. I don't see how it is shameful for Bisu to have a similar record against THE Typhoon Zerg. Not many players get nicks, especially KT Zergs. Arguing against the power of nickname is like arguing against pie charts or playing wrestling game with a sperm whale.
As for KT not having to play through the playoff, do you guys really want to open that bag of bed sores? I mean, heck, we SKT folks beat through 3 teams twice each, you guys beat us once and walked away with the title. In term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice. KT earned its advantage, but it's an unfair one. Life is unfair, not everybody can afford milk and cookies.
Rofl goddamn either you are trolling (for some reason) or you are just an enormous hypocrite. SKT1 pulled ahead with the exact same advantage last season. It's not unfair. If there wasn't an advantageous seeding then there'd be absolutely no reason to do stellar in proleague. KT busted their asses for that position and proved how well they deserved it vs SKT.
I am neither. As for last year, that was a BO2 with superace. Huge difference, man. CJ roflstomped Oz 4-0 during Day 2 and lost anyway. SKT roflstomped Oz 4-0 Day 1, but Oz dragged to ace without Jaedong Day 2. Can't see how BO1 is a fair indication.
I Guess you don't like football championships much?
I have watched the final, read both SKT and KT threads and it seems to me that despite SKT having some nice fans there are some very annoying ones. Nobody is going to force you to shut up but now that KT has won your opinion doesn't carry as much weight (or not at all?) as it did before the actual final happened. You are good fans with staying by them even when they fail but they don't need you to defend them using nonsensical arguments such as double standards ("if my team wins a game it is recommended, if your team wins a game it is not worth watching"). SKT has already moved on by now so you are no longer needed here to butthurt. If this is a KT bandwagon thread then leave their fanboys be.
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
And Do Jae Wook Sairs have their own nicknames. Enough said about him >_> Don't mess with Stats (and other KTs that I didn't read through), SKT fanboy =/
K so I skimmed through some of it for entertainment's sake. You forgot the part where KT didn't have playoff matches to get wins off of since they had already raped everyone else enough in the first 5 seasons to get to the Finals straight through, and the part about SKT zergs being slightly lesser of value than jokes except for that small period of the later seasons where they had a couple streaks (hoejjaplay is indeed truly quality lolsy btw). And for the sake of it I'll add the part about how the word Flash doesn't appear in your post about KT Rolster, but Bisu and Best do about SKT1 =/.
Umm, you do realize that Bisu is 3-2 against Shine just as Jaedong is 3-2 against Hyuk, right? I mean, we should give credits where it is due. The fact that Jaedong is able to overcome Hyuk three times out of five is proof of his overwhelming strength, since we all know Hyuk is the next Zerg bonjwa. To discredit Hyuk's bonjwa status is the same as arguing that GuemChi isn't a bonjwa. Pie charts disagree. I don't see how it is shameful for Bisu to have a similar record against THE Typhoon Zerg. Not many players get nicks, especially KT Zergs. Arguing against the power of nickname is like arguing against pie charts or playing wrestling game with a sperm whale.
As for KT not having to play through the playoff, do you guys really want to open that bag of bed sores? I mean, heck, we SKT folks beat through 3 teams twice each, you guys beat us once and walked away with the title. In term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice. KT earned its advantage, but it's an unfair one. Life is unfair, not everybody can afford milk and cookies.
Hyuk made Ro16 dual leagues. gg no re. Bonjwa = yes/no
Hey, I never mentioned Fantasy either. If I mention Flash, then I would have had to mention Boxer and Oov, and we all know that's just unfair. Not as unfair as BO1 final, but almost as unfair as Yellow 0-5 finals and Oov 5-0 finals.
Seeing that KT has made as much financial investment into e-sport as SKT, if not more, I believe that the team deserves its victory celebration after a decade of underwhelming achievement. SKT are born winners and they can always win next year. Besides, we already made a point by forcing our way into GwanAhnLee from the very bottom.
Go back to that guy you pay to wear the bunkie costume and cry more about how much KT spends. Sigh.. gotta love the fanboyism this season =/
Oi, all KT does is copycatting SKT. SKT got a mascot, KT then gets a mascot. SKT got race specific coach, then KT also gets race specific coach. SKT wins the grand final, then KT wins the grand final. SKT is always one step ahead. The 2nd place curse, man, hard to break. But I have to admit, you guys are way ahead on the chin department. But at least our players have bigger nose.
Glad to have you, thestool91.
hmmm you do realise that this was made during Ever 2009 right after shine outed Bisu from the OSL right?
On August 08 2010 17:19 wkcalex wrote: I have watched the final, read both SKT and KT threads and it seems to me that despite SKT having some nice fans there are some very annoying ones. Nobody is going to force you to shut up but now that KT has won your opinion doesn't carry as much weight (or not at all?) as it did before the actual final happened. You are good fans with staying by them even when they fail but they don't need you to defend them using nonsensical arguments such as double standards ("if my team wins a game it is recommended, if your team wins a game it is not worth watching"). SKT has already moved on by now so you are no longer needed here to butthurt. If this is a KT bandwagon thread then leave their fanboys be.
What can I say, fanboyism is fanboyism. Most of the predictions and such is just trashtalk to hype. IMO none of the games were particularly interesting, maybe 2 if you like the player(I actually might rewatch some of them as instructional VODs because of standard strategy+ domination), but nothing more. Any trashtalk is just that, pointing out various fails in the careers of each. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
And Do Jae Wook Sairs have their own nicknames. Enough said about him >_> Don't mess with Stats (and other KTs that I didn't read through), SKT fanboy =/
K so I skimmed through some of it for entertainment's sake. You forgot the part where KT didn't have playoff matches to get wins off of since they had already raped everyone else enough in the first 5 seasons to get to the Finals straight through, and the part about SKT zergs being slightly lesser of value than jokes except for that small period of the later seasons where they had a couple streaks (hoejjaplay is indeed truly quality lolsy btw). And for the sake of it I'll add the part about how the word Flash doesn't appear in your post about KT Rolster, but Bisu and Best do about SKT1 =/.
Umm, you do realize that Bisu is 3-2 against Shine just as Jaedong is 3-2 against Hyuk, right? I mean, we should give credits where it is due. The fact that Jaedong is able to overcome Hyuk three times out of five is proof of his overwhelming strength, since we all know Hyuk is the next Zerg bonjwa. To discredit Hyuk's bonjwa status is the same as arguing that GuemChi isn't a bonjwa. Pie charts disagree. I don't see how it is shameful for Bisu to have a similar record against THE Typhoon Zerg. Not many players get nicks, especially KT Zergs. Arguing against the power of nickname is like arguing against pie charts or playing wrestling game with a sperm whale.
As for KT not having to play through the playoff, do you guys really want to open that bag of bed sores? I mean, heck, we SKT folks beat through 3 teams twice each, you guys beat us once and walked away with the title. In term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice. KT earned its advantage, but it's an unfair one. Life is unfair, not everybody can afford milk and cookies.
Hyuk made Ro16 dual leagues. gg no re. Bonjwa = yes/no
Hey, I never mentioned Fantasy either. If I mention Flash, then I would have had to mention Boxer and Oov, and we all know that's just unfair. Not as unfair as BO1 final, but almost as unfair as Yellow 0-5 finals and Oov 5-0 finals.
Seeing that KT has made as much financial investment into e-sport as SKT, if not more, I believe that the team deserves its victory celebration after a decade of underwhelming achievement. SKT are born winners and they can always win next year. Besides, we already made a point by forcing our way into GwanAhnLee from the very bottom.
Go back to that guy you pay to wear the bunkie costume and cry more about how much KT spends. Sigh.. gotta love the fanboyism this season =/
Oi, all KT does is copycatting SKT. SKT got a mascot, KT then gets a mascot. SKT got race specific coach, then KT also gets race specific coach. SKT wins the grand final, then KT wins the grand final. SKT is always one step ahead. The 2nd place curse, man, hard to break. But I have to admit, you guys are way ahead on the chin department. But at least our players have bigger nose.
Glad to have you, thestool91.
Who the fuck is thestool91? Unless I'm blatantly retarded and can't count for shit, I believe TL says Bisu is 2-3 against Shine. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z#tblt-1494-1-default-0-shine At least don't let your fanboyism stop you from reading numbers right -.-'' And what the hell's your point about that paragraph with Hyuk and Guemchi? I see none. If anything, isnt the name value of "the revolutionist" one of those banners SKT fanboys gather for? And sorry if your love for SKT distorts your sense of time as well, since I honestly don't believe that a season or two and a month (if PO was that long) of wins outshines KT's.. how many seasons? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103429 I'm pretty sure S1-S3 alone got KT.. how many wins? O and for reference, SKT is over there with an overall of +3. Not completely fair since the only reason SKT was even able to get to PO is by barely making.. 6th place? then having 2 BO3s with 3 teams each to make 7 seasons of effort nearly worthless to reach Gwangahnri. Anyway, so here's the results up to August 7th. http://www.e-sports.or.kr/static/Eng/proleague.kea?m_code=static_11 KT's 38-17 vs SKT's 31-24 doesn't seem to support your claim of "in term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice." you get to gwangahnri off a 6th place PL rank and complain about greater justice of PL format? I'd leave that job to CJ, who seeded 3rd and technically got same number of wins against SKT in PO but lost anyway. And.. who're you to talk about 2nd place finishers, dont you have Jung Myung Hoon on your team? Which brings me to the point that.. the significance of Flash in KT far outshines your Fantasy in SKT, don't you think. I mean, since you ARE putting starleague results into this.. didn't Fantasy die in a group of his best matchups in the OSL already? AND 2nd place team in PL. Kong line is fearsome isn't it. And Hyuk is getting roflstomped btw. I don't think I'd have to say Flash in both starleagues is needed to be said, unless thats ALSO some form of format imba. So yeah, life really isn't unfair, and if anything SKT1 is probably the team most likely to be able to afford milk and cookies
Edit: Fk, bashing makes me almost look like a KT fan Edit2: Can anyone take over for me? Got missions for a week and want to come back to some entertaining stuff without looking like i ran away =/
Dukethegold, really I feel bad for you. So Bisu used to be good and won leagues before Flash and Jaedong started heating up. And yeah, BeSt took a "sick" 0-3 loss for silver and hasn't done jack since. Stats and Violet are better PL preformers than Bisu and better v Z and P than Best. Your zerg lineup will fall to our P lineup.
So in reality
KT T > SKT T KT P > SKT P KT Z < SKT Z
and we both know that our zerg lineups are going to suck hard regardless. Hoejja will probably snipe Bisu, maybe Hyuk will snipe anyppi... but we can call it even on that front.
As for Best.. nothing Flash can't handle as he did in their MSL meeting. You know, where he went 3-0. Jeez Best gets 3-0ed often in important series .
Flash > any player on SKT really tbh. Hoejja is 50/50 vs any of your P's ForGG is a clutch playoffs player and has finals experience. And our P's have been beating your P's for a whole year now...
HMMMMM
You know friend, this Stats person is looking goddamn hot. His PvZ is totally legendary. I mean, he managed to go 1-2 against Clam AND Hydra in individual leagues! I mean, holy cow, taking a game off hydra in PvZ is so freaking awesome, way more noteworthy than winning against Jaedong. Oh wait, didn't Best also win against Hydra in the proleague PLAYOFF? And isn't Bisu 9-1 against Zerg right now? Oh dear me, TLPD must be glitching. =O
And Do Jae Wook Sairs have their own nicknames. Enough said about him >_> Don't mess with Stats (and other KTs that I didn't read through), SKT fanboy =/
K so I skimmed through some of it for entertainment's sake. You forgot the part where KT didn't have playoff matches to get wins off of since they had already raped everyone else enough in the first 5 seasons to get to the Finals straight through, and the part about SKT zergs being slightly lesser of value than jokes except for that small period of the later seasons where they had a couple streaks (hoejjaplay is indeed truly quality lolsy btw). And for the sake of it I'll add the part about how the word Flash doesn't appear in your post about KT Rolster, but Bisu and Best do about SKT1 =/.
Umm, you do realize that Bisu is 3-2 against Shine just as Jaedong is 3-2 against Hyuk, right? I mean, we should give credits where it is due. The fact that Jaedong is able to overcome Hyuk three times out of five is proof of his overwhelming strength, since we all know Hyuk is the next Zerg bonjwa. To discredit Hyuk's bonjwa status is the same as arguing that GuemChi isn't a bonjwa. Pie charts disagree. I don't see how it is shameful for Bisu to have a similar record against THE Typhoon Zerg. Not many players get nicks, especially KT Zergs. Arguing against the power of nickname is like arguing against pie charts or playing wrestling game with a sperm whale.
As for KT not having to play through the playoff, do you guys really want to open that bag of bed sores? I mean, heck, we SKT folks beat through 3 teams twice each, you guys beat us once and walked away with the title. In term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice. KT earned its advantage, but it's an unfair one. Life is unfair, not everybody can afford milk and cookies.
Hyuk made Ro16 dual leagues. gg no re. Bonjwa = yes/no
Hey, I never mentioned Fantasy either. If I mention Flash, then I would have had to mention Boxer and Oov, and we all know that's just unfair. Not as unfair as BO1 final, but almost as unfair as Yellow 0-5 finals and Oov 5-0 finals.
On August 08 2010 08:11 poptartazn wrote:
Seeing that KT has made as much financial investment into e-sport as SKT, if not more, I believe that the team deserves its victory celebration after a decade of underwhelming achievement. SKT are born winners and they can always win next year. Besides, we already made a point by forcing our way into GwanAhnLee from the very bottom.
Go back to that guy you pay to wear the bunkie costume and cry more about how much KT spends. Sigh.. gotta love the fanboyism this season =/
Oi, all KT does is copycatting SKT. SKT got a mascot, KT then gets a mascot. SKT got race specific coach, then KT also gets race specific coach. SKT wins the grand final, then KT wins the grand final. SKT is always one step ahead. The 2nd place curse, man, hard to break. But I have to admit, you guys are way ahead on the chin department. But at least our players have bigger nose.
Glad to have you, thestool91.
Who the fuck is thestool91? Unless I'm blatantly retarded and can't count for shit, I believe TL says Bisu is 2-3 against Shine. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z#tblt-1494-1-default-0-shine At least don't let your fanboyism stop you from reading numbers right -.-'' And what the hell's your point about that paragraph with Hyuk and Guemchi? I see none. If anything, isnt the name value of "the revolutionist" one of those banners SKT fanboys gather for? And sorry if your love for SKT distorts your sense of time as well, since I honestly don't believe that a season or two and a month (if PO was that long) of wins outshines KT's.. how many seasons? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103429 I'm pretty sure S1-S3 alone got KT.. how many wins? O and for reference, SKT is over there with an overall of +3. Not completely fair since the only reason SKT was even able to get to PO is by barely making.. 6th place? then having 2 BO3s with 3 teams each to make 7 seasons of effort nearly worthless to reach Gwangahnri. Anyway, so here's the results up to August 7th. http://www.e-sports.or.kr/static/Eng/proleague.kea?m_code=static_11 KT's 38-17 vs SKT's 31-24 doesn't seem to support your claim of "in term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice." you get to gwangahnri off a 6th place PL rank and complain about greater justice of PL format? I'd leave that job to CJ, who seeded 3rd and technically got same number of wins against SKT in PO but lost anyway. And.. who're you to talk about 2nd place finishers, dont you have Jung Myung Hoon on your team? Which brings me to the point that.. the significance of Flash in KT far outshines your Fantasy in SKT, don't you think. I mean, since you ARE putting starleague results into this.. didn't Fantasy die in a group of his best matchups in the OSL already? AND 2nd place team in PL. Kong line is fearsome isn't it. And Hyuk is getting roflstomped btw. I don't think I'd have to say Flash in both starleagues is needed to be said, unless thats ALSO some form of format imba. So yeah, life really isn't unfair, and if anything SKT1 is probably the team most likely to be able to afford milk and cookies
Edit: Fk, bashing makes me almost look like a KT fan Edit2: Can anyone take over for me? Got missions for a week and want to come back to some entertaining stuff without looking like i ran away =/
I really didn't want to comment on this thread but it seems I have no choice in this matter. First congrats to the winners and to the fans who were rooting. It was a fun exciting match but come on now, it was nothing compared to CJ vs SKT. You gotta admit, the real finals was there...
Secondly, to comment on this last post, you were wrong with few things and yet you called dukethegold wrong. A little hypocritical aren't you? SKT DID NOT FINISH 6TH and they actually got 3rd seed. Calling CJ the one who got 3rd seed, what a lol, have you even seen PL regular season? Why do you think SKT climbed all the way from PO to the Finals like that and not CJ, STX, FOX, or MBC. SKT didn't had 3 weeks of practice like today winners had and they had to prepare their fights on CJ, then FOX, then STX all in less than a week each. So to say KT is automatically better than SKT is completely laughable. KT was much more prepared and had more time to prepare while SKT were in a desperate situation to prepare for the Finals against a team who had at least 3 times much more time and mentally prepared team. Not to mention SKT had to first prepare with CJ, then to FOX, then STX/Khan/estro combo and now for KT who happened to had STX and another team (forgot which but mentioned in article) to help them. So really, 3 vs 1 and losing is no shame especially when they already beaten like 5 other teams before facing KT.
So there wasn't any real imbas or any real fairness in terms of SKT not winning compared to last year. I'm not exactly complaining anymore since what's done is done and SKT will managed to come out on the finals TWICE in a row which none of your teams could have so that's already an accomplishment. You have no right to brag about KT or bash about SKT.
Just proves and shows its superiority since SKT had NO OTHER TEAM to practice with.
They practiced with MBC, and they also said that in addition to MBC, they practiced with "3 other teams" that they haven't revealed.
So no.
Alright, maybe I was wrong but even so you only picked out that little pieces of info and ignoring all other parts of what I said about how they had to face basically 5 other teams plus KT and their helpers at the end. I'll just quote what I said in the other thread.
Don't worry guys, SKT are already champions to us and to the eyes of most of us. Remember that they came out TWICE to the Grand Finals IN A ROW. Not many teams can do that and not to mention we already had a gold last year so they really don't have any bashing rights. Sure KT fans can brag but bashing, no. I'm not bashing at KT nor at KT fans but the moment someone KT bashes us, you gotta remember then how SKT first beaten 5 teams (CJ, FOX, then STX/Khan/estro) before getting to finals preparing each games less than a week then facing KT who were getting helped with 2 other teams (STX and some other team) with preparation from SKT side less than a week while KT had like 3 weeks. So none of them have right to brag about SKT sucks or how KT is superior since I clearly doubt KT can win in the same situation if they were placed 3rd, had to face CJ, FOX, STX/khan/estro then SKT being prepared with 2 other teams with 3 weeks to prepare.
On August 09 2010 01:13 Milkis wrote: I wasn't trying to respond to your argument. I was just correcting misinformation.
I know your team lost but take it easy dude
Oh ok, then I misunderstood your intent.
I'm just congratulating the winners as well as the loser of this finals who still performed well. However, I can't be content with these blind fools who are bashing SKT when they clearly don't understand nor praising KT and calling them superior when there isn't any superiority here to be said.
On August 09 2010 01:13 Milkis wrote: I wasn't trying to respond to your argument. I was just correcting misinformation.
I know your team lost but take it easy dude
Oh ok, then I misunderstood your intent.
I'm just congratulating the winners as well as the loser of this finals who still performed well. However, I can't be content with these blind fools who are bashing SKT when they clearly don't understand nor praising KT and calling them superior when there isn't any superiority here to be said.
I think beating SKT makes KT superior. No matter what your argument, you can't overcome the fact that KT beat SKT. Let me repeat that. KT beat SKT, and therefore they are the better team. In fact, KT beat SKT during the regular season, which means that they are a better team. In fact, KT almost beat SKT without Flash, which means that they are a MUCH, MUCH better team.
On August 09 2010 01:13 Milkis wrote: I wasn't trying to respond to your argument. I was just correcting misinformation.
I know your team lost but take it easy dude
Oh ok, then I misunderstood your intent.
I'm just congratulating the winners as well as the loser of this finals who still performed well. However, I can't be content with these blind fools who are bashing SKT when they clearly don't understand nor praising KT and calling them superior when there isn't any superiority here to be said.
I think beating SKT makes KT superior. No matter what your argument, you can't overcome the fact that KT beat SKT. Let me repeat that. KT beat SKT, and therefore they are the better team. In fact, KT beat SKT during the regular season, which means that they are a better team. In fact, KT almost beat SKT without Flash, which means that they are a MUCH, MUCH better team.
SKT came to Grand Finals TWICE IN THE ROW the past year. KT had more preparations than SKT to snipe, think, eat, sleep, practice, and win by a whole lot. SKT had to go thru a long phase, didn't had much practice, less than a week for this finals, and were already weary and tired.
So let me ask you this. If the tables turned around and KT had to go thru CJ in PO ro6, FOX in PO ro4, STX in PO ro3, then SKT in Grand Finals and lose to SKT, does that make SKT superior to KT? No, why? Because SKT had a long preparation time to do so many things than KT who had literally no preparation. It wasn't an equal fight of same preparation and mental setting so there's no superiority here at all.
I know KT won. Congrats to KT to that. But that doesn't make them superior than SKT. Only a team who had MUCH, MUCH better PREPARATION.
KT didn't have superior preparation when they beat SKT in regular season records. SKT didn't have inferior preparation when they had to take it to 3 matches against CJ. KT didn't have superior preparation when they beat SKT in round 5 without Flash.
KT is clearly superior than SKT this season, just accept that dudes.
KT's Terran line is much stronger than SKT's (the turtle monster and the time attacker), and they have 2 decent protoss, that makes 4 strong players vs SKT's 3 strong players (BBF).
SKT protoss line is a little bit stronger, despite Bisu's loss if we put SKT protoss vs KT protoss in a BO5, Best and Bisu will win. Best can outmacro almost everyone and Bisu have the ability to win deciding battles with inferior number. This combo is just too difficult to handle.
To beat KT, SKT needs another strong Terran, or a strong Zerg, which is difficult to have nowadays.
Congratulation to KT fans and Flash fans hahaha, too bad we didn't see Best vs Flash.
Well sir, SKT probably just didn't PREPARE well enough to win enough during the regular season to at least end up in the 2nd place, to avoid all the playoff shenanigans. If SKT had to go thru the playoffs they also have the advantage of keeping their game sense and game mentality intact, as many have spoken b4 the final. But in the end KT proved to be far more superior than any team SKT faced in the PO. you can't blame fatigue bcos they had their rest, they just played too predictable and overconfident thinking KT would be ezpie even with Flash, therefore fell perfectly into KT's trap. Flash did play, did land the killing blow, but couldn't accomplish it whatsoever had it been without the help of the 3 tosses (sad for hoejja tho). That way, with Kt's mental victory over Skt's refined gamesense it was enough to judge that Kt was superior, at least for this season. Take it easy, maybe do not think of it for a few days that way the fanboyism will be cooled down and u will not get enraged.
On August 09 2010 01:13 Milkis wrote: I wasn't trying to respond to your argument. I was just correcting misinformation.
I know your team lost but take it easy dude
Oh ok, then I misunderstood your intent.
I'm just congratulating the winners as well as the loser of this finals who still performed well. However, I can't be content with these blind fools who are bashing SKT when they clearly don't understand nor praising KT and calling them superior when there isn't any superiority here to be said.
I think beating SKT makes KT superior. No matter what your argument, you can't overcome the fact that KT beat SKT. Let me repeat that. KT beat SKT, and therefore they are the better team. In fact, KT beat SKT during the regular season, which means that they are a better team. In fact, KT almost beat SKT without Flash, which means that they are a MUCH, MUCH better team.
SKT came to Grand Finals TWICE IN THE ROW the past year. KT had more preparations than SKT to snipe, think, eat, sleep, practice, and win by a whole lot. SKT had to go thru a long phase, didn't had much practice, less than a week for this finals, and were already weary and tired.
So let me ask you this. If the tables turned around and KT had to go thru CJ in PO ro6, FOX in PO ro4, STX in PO ro3, then SKT in Grand Finals and lose to SKT, does that make SKT superior to KT? No, why? Because SKT had a long preparation time to do so many things than KT who had literally no preparation. It wasn't an equal fight of same preparation and mental setting so there's no superiority here at all.
I know KT won. Congrats to KT to that. But that doesn't make them superior than SKT. Only a team who had MUCH, MUCH better PREPARATION.
I'm sorry but isn't KT's "much much better preparation" is thanks to them being a better team in the regular season? Why didn't SKT just get to the final like KT did?
On August 09 2010 01:13 Milkis wrote: I wasn't trying to respond to your argument. I was just correcting misinformation.
I know your team lost but take it easy dude
Oh ok, then I misunderstood your intent.
I'm just congratulating the winners as well as the loser of this finals who still performed well. However, I can't be content with these blind fools who are bashing SKT when they clearly don't understand nor praising KT and calling them superior when there isn't any superiority here to be said.
I think beating SKT makes KT superior. No matter what your argument, you can't overcome the fact that KT beat SKT. Let me repeat that. KT beat SKT, and therefore they are the better team. In fact, KT beat SKT during the regular season, which means that they are a better team. In fact, KT almost beat SKT without Flash, which means that they are a MUCH, MUCH better team.
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zzzz KTF just that much betta. give it up
as far as your "what if KT was in SKT's position?", well isn't it a dam good thing that KTF played well to give themselves the opportunity to wait in grand finals right?
On August 09 2010 01:13 Milkis wrote: I wasn't trying to respond to your argument. I was just correcting misinformation.
I know your team lost but take it easy dude
Oh ok, then I misunderstood your intent.
I'm just congratulating the winners as well as the loser of this finals who still performed well. However, I can't be content with these blind fools who are bashing SKT when they clearly don't understand nor praising KT and calling them superior when there isn't any superiority here to be said.
I think beating SKT makes KT superior. No matter what your argument, you can't overcome the fact that KT beat SKT. Let me repeat that. KT beat SKT, and therefore they are the better team. In fact, KT beat SKT during the regular season, which means that they are a better team. In fact, KT almost beat SKT without Flash, which means that they are a MUCH, MUCH better team.
SKT came to Grand Finals TWICE IN THE ROW the past year. KT had more preparations than SKT to snipe, think, eat, sleep, practice, and win by a whole lot. SKT had to go thru a long phase, didn't had much practice, less than a week for this finals, and were already weary and tired.
So let me ask you this. If the tables turned around and KT had to go thru CJ in PO ro6, FOX in PO ro4, STX in PO ro3, then SKT in Grand Finals and lose to SKT, does that make SKT superior to KT? No, why? Because SKT had a long preparation time to do so many things than KT who had literally no preparation. It wasn't an equal fight of same preparation and mental setting so there's no superiority here at all.
I know KT won. Congrats to KT to that. But that doesn't make them superior than SKT. Only a team who had MUCH, MUCH better PREPARATION.
I'm sorry but isn't KT's "much much better preparation" is thanks to them being a better team in the regular season? Why didn't SKT just get to the final like KT did?
Yeah the entire season is a lot of matches, and KT has stayed at the top for the ENTIRE TIME. It's not just one lucky game or even match, KT proved themselves to be the top team since the season started, won the WL, and stayed number 1, they deserved to win. It would be surprising if they didn't win given the fact that they had the top spot for about 99% of the season with no close contenders...
If you take the time to work hard and succeed during the regular season, your work is paid off once you get to the playoffs. And also, all the coaches say SKT had the advantage since they had the momentum, both the SKT and KT coaches both said mentally SKT had the momentum and advantage. KT was clearly the better team this entire season period.
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ChoJJa, OSL winners 
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Never winning a title, but at least if KT wins, he's coming home to a winner. 
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, i'd gladly have him back, he's probably better than the majority of our zerg lineup 
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