Why KT will win the Proleague - Page 12
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Cheeseburgered
United States716 Posts
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poptartazn
United States84 Posts
On August 08 2010 14:51 dukethegold wrote: Umm, you do realize that Bisu is 3-2 against Shine just as Jaedong is 3-2 against Hyuk, right? I mean, we should give credits where it is due. The fact that Jaedong is able to overcome Hyuk three times out of five is proof of his overwhelming strength, since we all know Hyuk is the next Zerg bonjwa. To discredit Hyuk's bonjwa status is the same as arguing that GuemChi isn't a bonjwa. Pie charts disagree. I don't see how it is shameful for Bisu to have a similar record against THE Typhoon Zerg. Not many players get nicks, especially KT Zergs. Arguing against the power of nickname is like arguing against pie charts or playing wrestling game with a sperm whale. As for KT not having to play through the playoff, do you guys really want to open that bag of bed sores? I mean, heck, we SKT folks beat through 3 teams twice each, you guys beat us once and walked away with the title. In term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice. KT earned its advantage, but it's an unfair one. Life is unfair, not everybody can afford milk and cookies. Hyuk made Ro16 dual leagues. gg no re. Bonjwa = yes/no Hey, I never mentioned Fantasy either. If I mention Flash, then I would have had to mention Boxer and Oov, and we all know that's just unfair. Not as unfair as BO1 final, but almost as unfair as Yellow 0-5 finals and Oov 5-0 finals. Oi, all KT does is copycatting SKT. SKT got a mascot, KT then gets a mascot. SKT got race specific coach, then KT also gets race specific coach. SKT wins the grand final, then KT wins the grand final. SKT is always one step ahead. The 2nd place curse, man, hard to break. But I have to admit, you guys are way ahead on the chin department. But at least our players have bigger nose. Glad to have you, thestool91. Who the fuck is thestool91? Unless I'm blatantly retarded and can't count for shit, I believe TL says Bisu is 2-3 against Shine. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z#tblt-1494-1-default-0-shine At least don't let your fanboyism stop you from reading numbers right -.-'' And what the hell's your point about that paragraph with Hyuk and Guemchi? I see none. If anything, isnt the name value of "the revolutionist" one of those banners SKT fanboys gather for? And sorry if your love for SKT distorts your sense of time as well, since I honestly don't believe that a season or two and a month (if PO was that long) of wins outshines KT's.. how many seasons? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103429 I'm pretty sure S1-S3 alone got KT.. how many wins? O and for reference, SKT is over there with an overall of +3. Not completely fair since the only reason SKT was even able to get to PO is by barely making.. 6th place? then having 2 BO3s with 3 teams each to make 7 seasons of effort nearly worthless to reach Gwangahnri. Anyway, so here's the results up to August 7th. http://www.e-sports.or.kr/static/Eng/proleague.kea?m_code=static_11 KT's 38-17 vs SKT's 31-24 doesn't seem to support your claim of "in term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice." you get to gwangahnri off a 6th place PL rank and complain about greater justice of PL format? I'd leave that job to CJ, who seeded 3rd and technically got same number of wins against SKT in PO but lost anyway. And.. who're you to talk about 2nd place finishers, dont you have Jung Myung Hoon on your team? Which brings me to the point that.. the significance of Flash in KT far outshines your Fantasy in SKT, don't you think. I mean, since you ARE putting starleague results into this.. didn't Fantasy die in a group of his best matchups in the OSL already? AND 2nd place team in PL. Kong line is fearsome isn't it. And Hyuk is getting roflstomped btw. I don't think I'd have to say Flash in both starleagues is needed to be said, unless thats ALSO some form of format imba. So yeah, life really isn't unfair, and if anything SKT1 is probably the team most likely to be able to afford milk and cookies Edit: Fk, bashing makes me almost look like a KT fan Edit2: Can anyone take over for me? Got missions for a week and want to come back to some entertaining stuff without looking like i ran away =/ | ||
QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On August 08 2010 22:12 poptartazn wrote: Who the fuck is thestool91? Unless I'm blatantly retarded and can't count for shit, I believe TL says Bisu is 2-3 against Shine. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z#tblt-1494-1-default-0-shine At least don't let your fanboyism stop you from reading numbers right -.-'' And what the hell's your point about that paragraph with Hyuk and Guemchi? I see none. If anything, isnt the name value of "the revolutionist" one of those banners SKT fanboys gather for? And sorry if your love for SKT distorts your sense of time as well, since I honestly don't believe that a season or two and a month (if PO was that long) of wins outshines KT's.. how many seasons? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103429 I'm pretty sure S1-S3 alone got KT.. how many wins? O and for reference, SKT is over there with an overall of +3. Not completely fair since the only reason SKT was even able to get to PO is by barely making.. 6th place? then having 2 BO3s with 3 teams each to make 7 seasons of effort nearly worthless to reach Gwangahnri. Anyway, so here's the results up to August 7th. http://www.e-sports.or.kr/static/Eng/proleague.kea?m_code=static_11 KT's 38-17 vs SKT's 31-24 doesn't seem to support your claim of "in term of numerical value, SKT has bigger numbers and the claim of greater justice." you get to gwangahnri off a 6th place PL rank and complain about greater justice of PL format? I'd leave that job to CJ, who seeded 3rd and technically got same number of wins against SKT in PO but lost anyway. And.. who're you to talk about 2nd place finishers, dont you have Jung Myung Hoon on your team? Which brings me to the point that.. the significance of Flash in KT far outshines your Fantasy in SKT, don't you think. I mean, since you ARE putting starleague results into this.. didn't Fantasy die in a group of his best matchups in the OSL already? AND 2nd place team in PL. Kong line is fearsome isn't it. And Hyuk is getting roflstomped btw. I don't think I'd have to say Flash in both starleagues is needed to be said, unless thats ALSO some form of format imba. So yeah, life really isn't unfair, and if anything SKT1 is probably the team most likely to be able to afford milk and cookies Edit: Fk, bashing makes me almost look like a KT fan Edit2: Can anyone take over for me? Got missions for a week and want to come back to some entertaining stuff without looking like i ran away =/ I really didn't want to comment on this thread but it seems I have no choice in this matter. First congrats to the winners and to the fans who were rooting. It was a fun exciting match but come on now, it was nothing compared to CJ vs SKT. You gotta admit, the real finals was there... Secondly, to comment on this last post, you were wrong with few things and yet you called dukethegold wrong. A little hypocritical aren't you? SKT DID NOT FINISH 6TH and they actually got 3rd seed. Calling CJ the one who got 3rd seed, what a lol, have you even seen PL regular season? Why do you think SKT climbed all the way from PO to the Finals like that and not CJ, STX, FOX, or MBC. SKT didn't had 3 weeks of practice like today winners had and they had to prepare their fights on CJ, then FOX, then STX all in less than a week each. So to say KT is automatically better than SKT is completely laughable. KT was much more prepared and had more time to prepare while SKT were in a desperate situation to prepare for the Finals against a team who had at least 3 times much more time and mentally prepared team. Not to mention SKT had to first prepare with CJ, then to FOX, then STX/Khan/estro combo and now for KT who happened to had STX and another team (forgot which but mentioned in article) to help them. So really, 3 vs 1 and losing is no shame especially when they already beaten like 5 other teams before facing KT. So there wasn't any real imbas or any real fairness in terms of SKT not winning compared to last year. I'm not exactly complaining anymore since what's done is done and SKT will managed to come out on the finals TWICE in a row which none of your teams could have so that's already an accomplishment. You have no right to brag about KT or bash about SKT. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
Just proves and shows its superiority since SKT had NO OTHER TEAM to practice with. They practiced with MBC, and they also said that in addition to MBC, they practiced with "3 other teams" that they haven't revealed. So no. | ||
wkcalex
Uganda29 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On August 09 2010 01:05 Milkis wrote: They practiced with MBC, and they also said that in addition to MBC, they practiced with "3 other teams" that they haven't revealed. So no. Alright, maybe I was wrong but even so you only picked out that little pieces of info and ignoring all other parts of what I said about how they had to face basically 5 other teams plus KT and their helpers at the end. I'll just quote what I said in the other thread. Don't worry guys, SKT are already champions to us and to the eyes of most of us. Remember that they came out TWICE to the Grand Finals IN A ROW. Not many teams can do that and not to mention we already had a gold last year so they really don't have any bashing rights. Sure KT fans can brag but bashing, no. I'm not bashing at KT nor at KT fans but the moment someone KT bashes us, you gotta remember then how SKT first beaten 5 teams (CJ, FOX, then STX/Khan/estro) before getting to finals preparing each games less than a week then facing KT who were getting helped with 2 other teams (STX and some other team) with preparation from SKT side less than a week while KT had like 3 weeks. So none of them have right to brag about SKT sucks or how KT is superior since I clearly doubt KT can win in the same situation if they were placed 3rd, had to face CJ, FOX, STX/khan/estro then SKT being prepared with 2 other teams with 3 weeks to prepare. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
I know your team lost but take it easy dude | ||
QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On August 09 2010 01:13 Milkis wrote: I wasn't trying to respond to your argument. I was just correcting misinformation. I know your team lost but take it easy dude Oh ok, then I misunderstood your intent. I'm just congratulating the winners as well as the loser of this finals who still performed well. However, I can't be content with these blind fools who are bashing SKT when they clearly don't understand nor praising KT and calling them superior when there isn't any superiority here to be said. | ||
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motbob
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United States12546 Posts
On August 09 2010 01:16 QuickStriker wrote: Oh ok, then I misunderstood your intent. I'm just congratulating the winners as well as the loser of this finals who still performed well. However, I can't be content with these blind fools who are bashing SKT when they clearly don't understand nor praising KT and calling them superior when there isn't any superiority here to be said. I think beating SKT makes KT superior. No matter what your argument, you can't overcome the fact that KT beat SKT. Let me repeat that. KT beat SKT, and therefore they are the better team. In fact, KT beat SKT during the regular season, which means that they are a better team. In fact, KT almost beat SKT without Flash, which means that they are a MUCH, MUCH better team. | ||
QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On August 09 2010 01:20 motbob wrote: I think beating SKT makes KT superior. No matter what your argument, you can't overcome the fact that KT beat SKT. Let me repeat that. KT beat SKT, and therefore they are the better team. In fact, KT beat SKT during the regular season, which means that they are a better team. In fact, KT almost beat SKT without Flash, which means that they are a MUCH, MUCH better team. SKT came to Grand Finals TWICE IN THE ROW the past year. KT had more preparations than SKT to snipe, think, eat, sleep, practice, and win by a whole lot. SKT had to go thru a long phase, didn't had much practice, less than a week for this finals, and were already weary and tired. So let me ask you this. If the tables turned around and KT had to go thru CJ in PO ro6, FOX in PO ro4, STX in PO ro3, then SKT in Grand Finals and lose to SKT, does that make SKT superior to KT? No, why? Because SKT had a long preparation time to do so many things than KT who had literally no preparation. It wasn't an equal fight of same preparation and mental setting so there's no superiority here at all. I know KT won. Congrats to KT to that. But that doesn't make them superior than SKT. Only a team who had MUCH, MUCH better PREPARATION. | ||
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motbob
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United States12546 Posts
SKT didn't have inferior preparation when they had to take it to 3 matches against CJ. KT didn't have superior preparation when they beat SKT in round 5 without Flash. Give it up. | ||
kmdarkmaster
France188 Posts
KT's Terran line is much stronger than SKT's (the turtle monster and the time attacker), and they have 2 decent protoss, that makes 4 strong players vs SKT's 3 strong players (BBF). SKT protoss line is a little bit stronger, despite Bisu's loss if we put SKT protoss vs KT protoss in a BO5, Best and Bisu will win. Best can outmacro almost everyone and Bisu have the ability to win deciding battles with inferior number. This combo is just too difficult to handle. To beat KT, SKT needs another strong Terran, or a strong Zerg, which is difficult to have nowadays. Congratulation to KT fans and Flash fans hahaha, too bad we didn't see Best vs Flash. | ||
wkcalex
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Monkeyshark
United States406 Posts
On August 09 2010 01:26 QuickStriker wrote: SKT came to Grand Finals TWICE IN THE ROW the past year. KT had more preparations than SKT to snipe, think, eat, sleep, practice, and win by a whole lot. SKT had to go thru a long phase, didn't had much practice, less than a week for this finals, and were already weary and tired. So let me ask you this. If the tables turned around and KT had to go thru CJ in PO ro6, FOX in PO ro4, STX in PO ro3, then SKT in Grand Finals and lose to SKT, does that make SKT superior to KT? No, why? Because SKT had a long preparation time to do so many things than KT who had literally no preparation. It wasn't an equal fight of same preparation and mental setting so there's no superiority here at all. I know KT won. Congrats to KT to that. But that doesn't make them superior than SKT. Only a team who had MUCH, MUCH better PREPARATION. I'm sorry but isn't KT's "much much better preparation" is thanks to them being a better team in the regular season? Why didn't SKT just get to the final like KT did? | ||
sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
zzzz KTF just that much betta. give it up as far as your "what if KT was in SKT's position?", well isn't it a dam good thing that KTF played well to give themselves the opportunity to wait in grand finals right? | ||
AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On August 09 2010 02:23 Monkeyshark wrote: I'm sorry but isn't KT's "much much better preparation" is thanks to them being a better team in the regular season? Why didn't SKT just get to the final like KT did? Yeah the entire season is a lot of matches, and KT has stayed at the top for the ENTIRE TIME. It's not just one lucky game or even match, KT proved themselves to be the top team since the season started, won the WL, and stayed number 1, they deserved to win. It would be surprising if they didn't win given the fact that they had the top spot for about 99% of the season with no close contenders... If you take the time to work hard and succeed during the regular season, your work is paid off once you get to the playoffs. And also, all the coaches say SKT had the advantage since they had the momentum, both the SKT and KT coaches both said mentally SKT had the momentum and advantage. KT was clearly the better team this entire season period. | ||
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