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Sayer
Profile Joined August 2009
United States403 Posts
May 18 2010 18:58 GMT
#61
Does anyone know who this Mr. Jung (Chung) mentioned along with Mr. Won (Justin) in MBC news??????
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8160 Posts
May 18 2010 19:11 GMT
#62
On May 19 2010 03:50 JinMaikeul wrote:
Well I think we need to look at the purpose of prison. Just because you break a law doesn't automatically mean you should be sent there. Each case is unique and depending on the particular situation, we have plenty of different options available to us. Given the fact that this was primarily a financial crime, of course confiscating all assets gained from the illicit activities is a given. But seeing as how for most of the people involved, there's no reason to believe that they would pose a danger to society, I don't see why some form of house arrest or community service wouldn't be considered along with a hefty fine.

Jail these days isn't so much meant to be a form of punishment as a method of keeping the offending individual out of the community. Seeing as it's rather unlikely that someone like Savior will continue to commit the same crime or another crime, there's really little reason to put him in prison. As for some of the organizers, there would be more of a reason there simply because of the reports of them using threats to manipulate the gamers as well as the fact that organizing this kind of activity is something they could easily do again if they were back in society. I understand that you may be offended by this course of events and the scandal, but don't let that color your beliefs in regard to what the punishment should be. Justice should be reasonable and thoughtful, not vengeful.

Hmm, I don't agree. It's much more complex than that. Jail is the punishment in our societies (think that in most society you had a shotload of very creative punishments that we have let aside).

I don't know how sever Korean justice is and what there policy is towards this kind of crime. It's really dependant on each country's justice.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
May 18 2010 21:38 GMT
#63
On May 19 2010 03:22 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2010 23:59 Emon_ wrote:
On May 18 2010 23:42 sung_moon wrote:
On May 18 2010 21:46 Milkis wrote:
On May 18 2010 14:10 GTR wrote:
On May 18 2010 14:04 unionbank wrote:
what will this mean for the sponsors? are we going to see a sponsorless starleague? this isn't sounding to great.


thankfully the players involved aren't that important to a sponsorship point these days (honestly who gives a fuck about savior/justin)

if it were taekbang leessang (bisu/stork/jaedong/flash), we'd have huge problems.


Actually, I'd be more concerned.

Remember, players represent their teams. No matter how you slice it, Savior = CJ, Justin = Hite, etc. Things like this is literally enough for korean corporations to drop their sponsorships for their teams next season.


since when did justin = hite?

He's hite just like Sacsri = Wongjin stars.


when he said savior= cj and jsutin= hite i figured he meant in terms of the player u think of when u hear that team, not just a player on the team.


Well Justin was captain of Sparkyz for a long time, hence not just some player on their team.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 18 2010 21:58 GMT
#64
On May 19 2010 03:22 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2010 21:55 Jathin wrote:
If I find out IdrA wasn't actually losing but instead throwing all his matches I'm quitting SC.

Edit: that's actually an interesting thought. IdrA was in the CJ house while this was going down. Has he made any statement about all this yet?


Not to insult IdrA or anything, but I seriously doubt he is considered good enough by Korean standards to be able to turn a hefty profit through match fixing. At least players like Savior, Hwasin, go.go etc. played in high profile games that would allow them to get a large amount of money. Besides, if IdrA was in it for the money, he would have been better off going back home to the US then staying in Korea. I am preety sure he earned more money through winning foreigner events then he did through his progaming salary.

I know you weren't implying that he was, but I just thought it wise to discredit the theory upfront before people would get any ideas.

Anyway, this issue makes me wonder if these progamers, now that they tarnished their reputation in the Brood War scene, will try their luck in SC2. Since SC2 (currently) isn't under KeSPA's jurisdiction, they currently have no say in who plays the game professionally. However, I certainly hope they will not be allowed to do so. The last thing a fledging SC2 scene needs is to be negatively marked by cheaters and frauds, just like Brood War was in the early days.

Idra wouldnt be able to take part because he has never been in a proleage game.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
May 18 2010 23:31 GMT
#65
Can NOT believe it.
I CANT believe Savior is in this lame shit. Im really sorry for him being in this precise hell of a moment. I can honestly say I will remember him for his glorious moments and not for his latest actions/decisions in progaming cuz I'm pretty sure this is it, Hes Done with progaming, so Im not saying I dont care about this scandal, Im just saying I will remember him as THE MAESTRO of zerg, not a criminal as many have already pointed out. I just cant see him that way, for me he didnt started this business nor he was the main target (sort of), in my opinion he just got corrupted as every other human gets at least once, thats what makes us Human (we r not perfect), anyways I think I might be saying some nonsense crap rite but I also think its bcuz of my frustration towards one of my SC role models and also due to the fact that Im disappointed to see one of my Favorite Games "Starcraft" involved in such a dirty business.
Im really sorry Savior. Hope u do well in the future. Im pretty sure ur not completely guilty, in fact I think at some point You didnt do it by yourself instead You were forced to do it and well "money talks" and ur just a kid who took a wrong decision, but thats Human, so once again I hope u do well in the future.
Hope you could also read this. It's also In moments like this one when Fans should show support not only when you're wining matches.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
May 19 2010 00:00 GMT
#66
Light vs go.go.. who would bet go.go?
+ Show Spoiler +
me >_>
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FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
May 19 2010 01:07 GMT
#67
at first i thought like hmm, 3-6k is not so much money. but when you think about it, 6k dollars for losing one game? that's a pretty huge sallary. especially for players who don't earn that much in their whole career :/
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dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1438 Posts
May 19 2010 10:47 GMT
#68
It never seems to be a big amount, until you realize it's like $6k for 1 game which lasts maybe 30 minutes? Less if you are trying to lose. I only WISH I could make $12k/hour
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
May 19 2010 11:02 GMT
#69
On May 18 2010 21:55 Jathin wrote:
If I find out IdrA wasn't actually losing but instead throwing all his matches I'm quitting SC.

Edit: that's actually an interesting thought. IdrA was in the CJ house while this was going down. Has he made any statement about all this yet?

Yes because idra was betting against himself in the dream leauge games he didnt play
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Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
May 19 2010 11:17 GMT
#70
lol, not only was savior a legendary zerg player, he was also a badass who did whatever he wanted
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kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
May 19 2010 11:40 GMT
#71
On May 19 2010 20:17 Cheeseburgered wrote:
lol, not only was savior a legendary zerg player, he was also a badass who did whatever he wanted


well, he just traded his and his mates' careerr for designer shoes and bags. in the eyes of carrie bradshaw; sure, he's a badass.
olof
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden254 Posts
May 19 2010 12:01 GMT
#72
On May 18 2010 16:47 Valentine wrote:
[image loading]

2 sunken no ring

If I'm not wrong this was a final where both player agreed to share the pricemoney. As much as I hate Hwasin by now, please don't drag Calm into this.
hi man O_O
Mojawi)SoJu
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)259 Posts
May 19 2010 13:24 GMT
#73
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=106917&db=issue

Luxury exclued from KT and forced to retire.
Bye bye!
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pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
May 19 2010 13:33 GMT
#74
On May 19 2010 22:24 Mojawi)SoJu wrote:
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=106917&db=issue

Luxury exclued from KT and forced to retire.
Bye bye!


Thx, but need a good translation of this

This could be the beginning of a loooonnggg list of "forced retirements"
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rugmonkey
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom126 Posts
May 19 2010 13:49 GMT
#75
So sad. hope it doesn't have too much of a detrimental affect on the esports scene.
Woyn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United Kingdom1628 Posts
May 19 2010 13:54 GMT
#76
Has there been any statement or apologies by the players yet?? specifically Savior??
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 19 2010 14:09 GMT
#77
On May 19 2010 22:54 Woyn wrote:
Has there been any statement or apologies by the players yet?? specifically Savior??


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125601

Upmagic, go.go and type-b have apologised. Savior's position is somewhat diff, he's facing a criminal trial.
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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
May 19 2010 19:54 GMT
#78
Thanks for subbing it...
but I don't really wanna face the truth...
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
May 19 2010 22:49 GMT
#79
Thanks for the report & translation... sad day for progaming but it was bound to happen one day or another
o choro é livre
NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
May 19 2010 23:31 GMT
#80
Thanks for the subs, awesome to hear the Korean TV stations' view on these things.
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
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