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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
WeMade FOX January In-House Ranking ![[image loading]](/staff/LosingID8/random/87f7UVnLmm8vyeZ6kG.jpg) ![[image loading]](/staff/LosingID8/random/OU3xkleYArBVf6go8mv7LR.jpg) Rank, Name, Race, Win Percentage A Team:  Mind Shine PureRorOBaByhungryMajorMidasSacsriSmileRockB Team: herO[jOin]MoonMinamLuCiferKnightRyungminoR장재호 (i think this is Moon from WC3) One key thing to note is the absence of NaDa. For the December ranking, he wasn't present due to his participation in the IeSF Star Invitational. For the January ranking, he was absent because he was in Australia.Original Article Credit: [SL]캐로로 | ||
GTR
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boxxyownz
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Kyuukyuu
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Shine is a one-trick pony. | ||
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1992
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On February 04 2010 16:22 tree.hugger wrote: Kinda surprised that even the WeMade Fox house hasn't figured out that Shine is a one-trick pony. lol doesn't shine's results just contradict what u just said? | ||
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FragKrag
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
because he was in Australia. <3 장재호 (i think this is Moon from WC3) Yeah Jang JaeHo that's him | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Also lol the Rock... | ||
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jalstar
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Jarvs
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520
United States2822 Posts
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1992
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United States4126 Posts
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Alphonsse
United States518 Posts
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United States2552 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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United States7801 Posts
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bioboyAT
Austria1763 Posts
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 04 2010 16:42 lazz wrote: the characters match up etc 1) No they don't. 장재호 =/= 최수민 2) The Moon here with the 24% winrate plays zerg. The other Moon plays protoss. | ||
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chogoling
Australia173 Posts
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leejas
United States440 Posts
On February 04 2010 16:44 TheYango wrote: 1) No they don't. 장재호 =/= 최수민 2) The Moon here with the 24% winrate plays zerg. The other Moon plays protoss. Read the last ranking on the B-team. That 24% Zerg is Jang Jae Ho, aka WC3's moon. | ||
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Zona
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On February 04 2010 16:40 Alphonsse wrote: Yeah, I kinda find it hard to believe that a wc3 pro just happens to practice enough sc to somewhat compete with B teamers. Moon is no ordinary WC3 pro | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
yeah, if moon had played sc from the beginning i have no doubt that he would be at least a proleague regular | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 04 2010 16:54 leejas wrote: Read the last ranking on the B-team. That 24% Zerg is Jang Jae Ho, aka WC3's moon. That was exactly my point. It would have been clearer if lazz didn't edit his mistake. XD | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 04 2010 16:24 JFKWT wrote: Wow Baby is Fox's 2nd best Terran O_o Why does this suprise you? | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
Yeah, I'd even heard Baby was Fox's best player And by "I heard", I really mean "I heard a translation that said Flash heard" | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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GTR
51449 Posts
On February 04 2010 17:00 LosingID8 wrote: yeah, if moon had played sc from the beginning i have no doubt that he would be at least a proleague regular he should just go fuck you wc3 ala Freedom | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
Not to mention that he's just a machine and happens to live in a progamer house. | ||
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
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Glaucus
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
herO[jOin] looking strong | ||
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
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LosingID8
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On February 04 2010 16:44 JohnColtrane wrote: hero will be in the A team soon bringing in the dollar bills fo' shooooo' then I will sell his autograph I have. I don't think Moon ever played SC competitively in the Korean sense, but he did play it a lot and probably would be deemed competitively by foreigner standards. Mikilatov, Moon is anything but a machine  He is the WC3 creative equivalent of BoxeR | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
i would really love to have one for Oz | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
Switching well established WC3 career, tournament prizes and what not, just to be warming up the bench as a SC B-team member? I don't think he should... | ||
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kAra
Germany1374 Posts
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nozaro33
Taiwan1819 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On February 04 2010 17:16 FabledIntegral wrote: I surprised people thought BaBy would be high at all... people talk so much about him but I never saw him post results... like that game where he went 2 port wraith and killed something like 36 drones... and still lost?! That was anything BUT impressive to me... such good micro... without macroing isn't hard for many progamers. he won that game. VS some chobo zerg in GomTV | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
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ItsBigfoot
United States432 Posts
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
On February 04 2010 17:19 RyanS wrote: They should do a WC3 house ranking, see where their top SC player lands. Prove which game is harder once and for all. I'll give a prediction, Mind with 0% win rate. ^^ THere is no sense at all in what you said... I don't think any of the progamers ever gave a shot at wc3.... ofc they would never win a game... that doesn't mean they suck. At least moon has already played sc before... | ||
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Glaucus
479 Posts
On February 04 2010 19:47 mOnion wrote: he won that game. VS some chobo zerg in GomTV No, he lost that wraith game. Was it on Gods Garden. Reason he lost was not so much his lack of skill compared to other progamers. It's just the inherent weakness of wraith builds. Baby has mad talent. He could be the new Flash. Yes, I am surprised Pure and Roro do better despite both of them being rock solid too. And no, it's not about results. The players with the best results are usually not very good (anymore). Like Nada and July. Baby is super young. How can you expect him to have shown results? | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
On February 04 2010 16:23 FragKrag wrote: I'm surprised by how low BaBy is On February 04 2010 16:18 BanZu wrote: Hm, expected Baby to be much higher... This | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
Oh and this affirms what myself and the rest of the SC world already knows: ROCK SUCKS GTFO. | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
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Deleted User 55994
949 Posts
On February 04 2010 16:40 Alphonsse wrote: Yeah, I kinda find it hard to believe that a wc3 pro just happens to practice enough sc to somewhat compete with B teamers. His micro is already amazing from playing WC3 at such a high level and he's obviously a great RTS player in general, doesn't really surprise me. I'm guessing he's just a practice partner or is being a B-teamer a step above that? | ||
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horang3
United States261 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On February 04 2010 21:09 Piy wrote: lol Moon can actually semi compete with B teamers in a different game. Guess that guy is as good as everyone says he is. Wait wtf how | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On February 04 2010 17:00 LosingID8 wrote: yeah, if moon had played sc from the beginning i have no doubt that he would be at least a proleague regular Uhm, Moon played SC from the beginning but switched to wc3? | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On February 05 2010 02:29 faction123 wrote: His micro is already amazing from playing WC3 at such a high level and he's obviously a great RTS player in general, doesn't really surprise me. I'm guessing he's just a practice partner or is being a B-teamer a step above that? Micro doesn't mean shit in SC tho. You can have as good micro as a progamer and still be D/D+. Moon doesn't have any special talent that makes him good at any RTS game. He's good because he played SC seriously for a long time (like all good players). | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 04 2010 17:38 ThunderGod wrote: B-teamers and coach are too scared of Rock to demote him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhPbohc6Ltk hahahahahh that is gold. I'm a semi Rock fan just from seeing that | ||
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shin ken
Germany612 Posts
On February 05 2010 02:45 Zoler wrote: Micro doesn't mean shit in SC tho. You can have as good micro as a progamer and still be D/D+. Moon doesn't have any special talent that makes him good at any RTS game. He's good because he played SC seriously for a long time (like all good players). Moon isn't just the best WC3 player is of all time aka the fifth race, he also has incredible macro. Just watch some of his epic expansion heavy games on Twisted Meadows. (I'm searching for a VOD) | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On February 05 2010 03:09 shin ken wrote: Moon isn't just the best WC3 player is of all time aka the fifth race, he also has incredible macro. Just watch some of his epic expansion heavy games on Twisted Meadows. (I'm searching for a VOD) True. I remember watching moon vs some decent korean human on LT (aka human's wet dream). Moon expanded all over the place. Had to rebuild his base because his main was rolled by steam tanks and still managed to pull of a win by simply having a far superior macro. But you really cannot compare wc3 macro with sc macro at all. I mean you earn far less resources, units are are much more expensive in comparison to sc, you need far less buildings and you have far less production facilities... So Moon obviosly has practiced sc quite hard or simply has an incredible talent in RTS games (probably both). | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
It's not always the most winning player in house being sent out as ace. Especially if its like 2-3% difference, maybe one player just had the better month? Also Frozean for example always had a really great in house ranking for KHAN (like top3-4) but just tends to choke in important matches, thus they didn't even sent him when he was #1 in house. Some players just manage to cope with pressure better than others. Same example (lol Samsung again) can be done with JangBi, who always was "Stork level" in practice but really failed to deliver in official matches until his breakout in 2008. Take those kinda rankings with a grain of salt atleast, it gives you and the coaches a slight impression of who has been doing good, but in the end you wanna send out your most reliable player (if under pressure) for the ace matches. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
 The ranking is pretty interesting. I wish more team released them. But I highly doubt it as it cintains pretty useful information ofr the opponent teams. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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JoMal
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
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Nick_54
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jcu
Canada93 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On February 05 2010 05:31 jcu wrote: Well, from games I've seen, Moon really is a genius at warcraft III. His playing style in WC actually seems to mirror starcraft players alot because his multitasking is amazing and he comes up with all sorts of creative well-developed strategies. If this is possible (lol), the way he plays warcraft is generally more macro oriented than most other players, since he likes fast expanding and tower rushing and stuff. He also has ridiculous EAPM for warcraft ^^. How is tower rushing macro? Seems like a "micro build" | ||
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On February 05 2010 03:37 iNfeRnaL wrote: One thing I guess has to be mentioned: It's not always the most winning player in house being sent out as ace. Especially if its like 2-3% difference, maybe one player just had the better month? Also Frozean for example always had a really great in house ranking for KHAN (like top3-4) but just tends to choke in important matches, thus they didn't even sent him when he was #1 in house. Some players just manage to cope with pressure better than others. Same example (lol Samsung again) can be done with JangBi, who always was "Stork level" in practice but really failed to deliver in official matches until his breakout in 2008. Take those kinda rankings with a grain of salt atleast, it gives you and the coaches a slight impression of who has been doing good, but in the end you wanna send out your most reliable player (if under pressure) for the ace matches. Perhaps Frozean got used to KHAN playstyle but lacked other team styles. He started to do better when he joined STX. | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On February 05 2010 02:45 Zoler wrote: Micro doesn't mean shit in SC tho. You can have as good micro as a progamer and still be D/D+. Moon doesn't have any special talent that makes him good at any RTS game. He's good because he played SC seriously for a long time (like all good players). Simply having played it before doesn't automatically make you B-Team level... He has played WC3 for a long time and in that time he would have had little time to practice SC. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5556 Posts
On February 05 2010 06:01 iCCup.deL wrote: Simply having played it before doesn't automatically make you B-Team level... He has played WC3 for a long time and in that time he would have had little time to practice SC. He was solid B iCCup for years. Testie can testify (no pun intended), he went 2-1 against Moon several years ago. So he obviously must've put quite some effort into SC. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 04 2010 19:47 mOnion wrote: he won that game. VS some chobo zerg in GomTV No he still lost. I'm nearly positive. | ||
TheFallofTroy
Canada780 Posts
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On February 05 2010 08:12 TheFallofTroy wrote: I thought Roro would be the #2 zerg in the WeMade house nowadays. I guess he hasn't been playing that well lately or something. Nada come back please : ( Doesn't it say he is the number 2 zerg ??? | ||
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TheFallofTroy
Canada780 Posts
On February 05 2010 08:21 Nick_54 wrote: Doesn't it say he is the number 2 zerg ??? I meant the #2 player in the WeMade house lol, my mistake. | ||
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MyLastSerenade
Germany710 Posts
ESL link of the wc3 moon | ||
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Deleted User 55994
949 Posts
So he's on the Wemade FOX wc3 team and there just happens to be a player on the sc team with the same name? | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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MyLastSerenade
Germany710 Posts
On February 06 2010 15:33 faction123 wrote: So he's on the Wemade FOX wc3 team and there just happens to be a player on the sc team with the same name? yes! you can also see this on the wemadefox.net page that there are 2 different moons! | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On February 05 2010 04:11 SuperJongMan wrote: Moon... vs Idra... ya? YAYAYAYA???? This totally came to mind but I imagine Idra would win that.. Would be nice to see how he's doing at the CJ house compared to the Koreans. | ||
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520
United States2822 Posts
On February 06 2010 15:43 MyLastSerenade wrote: yes! you can also see this on the wemadefox.net page that there are 2 different moons! Not the same Korean name, which is what matters here. | ||
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Bebop07
United States291 Posts
On February 05 2010 03:37 iNfeRnaL wrote: Also have to consider these guys play with each other a TON and know each others styles and are probably very comfortable playing each other. Just cause someone does really well in that environment doesn't mean they do as well vs other people on other teams.One thing I guess has to be mentioned: It's not always the most winning player in house being sent out as ace. Especially if its like 2-3% difference, maybe one player just had the better month? Also Frozean for example always had a really great in house ranking for KHAN (like top3-4) but just tends to choke in important matches, thus they didn't even sent him when he was #1 in house. Some players just manage to cope with pressure better than others. Same example (lol Samsung again) can be done with JangBi, who always was "Stork level" in practice but really failed to deliver in official matches until his breakout in 2008. Take those kinda rankings with a grain of salt atleast, it gives you and the coaches a slight impression of who has been doing good, but in the end you wanna send out your most reliable player (if under pressure) for the ace matches. | ||
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
On February 06 2010 15:43 MyLastSerenade wrote: yes! you can also see this on the wemadefox.net page that there are 2 different moons! I don't see what you are talking about. Jang JaeHo on in the OP is the correct spelling of Moon's name. And I don't see a 2nd player with the same name on the WeMade site. (although there are links to SC2GG and reps.net which is random) | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On February 06 2010 15:43 MyLastSerenade wrote: yes! you can also see this on the wemadefox.net page that there are 2 different moons! sorry but i'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about. if you had actually read the OP, you would see that the #2 player on the B-team is the other Moon, a protoss by the korean name Choi Soo Min (최수민). the last ranked player on the B-team is indeed the war3 player Moon, korean name Jang Jae Ho (장재호). | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On February 06 2010 19:32 Kashll wrote: where is nada? do you know how to read? | ||
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ColorsOfRainbow
Germany354 Posts
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On February 05 2010 06:09 maybenexttime wrote: He was solid B iCCup for years. Testie can testify (no pun intended), he went 2-1 against Moon several years ago. So he obviously must've put quite some effort into SC. Moon never plaid on ICCup, he switched to War3 with his friends right when War3 came out. War3:ROC was launched in June 2002. I'm not saying that he completly stopped playing Starcraft at that time, but he never stated in any of his interviews that it was one of his main hobby. I believe that he sometimes plays it during his freetime at the WMF center, but still, considering his tight practice schedule, that would still be nothing more than a ridiculous number of hours/weeks. Not to mention that playing Starcraft and Warcraft both at the same time is ridicously hard, I've personally tried it and it was close to impossible to become decent at both games. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On February 06 2010 18:52 LosingID8 wrote: sorry but i'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about. if you had actually read the OP, you would see that the #2 player on the B-team is the other Moon, a protoss by the korean name Choi Soo Min (최수민). the last ranked player on the B-team is indeed the war3 player Moon, korean name Jang Jae Ho (장재호). I'm afraid you are incorrect. The last ranked player on the B-team just happens to have the same name as the famous Warcraft 3 player, who is no where to be found on the list. | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
seriously: Why is Rock still an A-team? I hope Baby will have some good results in the future and I want Midas to play better again, too | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On February 06 2010 20:46 TeWy wrote: Moon never plaid on ICCup, he switched to War3 with his friends right when War3 came out. War3:ROC was launched in June 2002. I'm not saying that he completly stopped playing Starcraft at that time, but he never stated in any of his interviews that it was one of his main hobby. I believe that he sometimes plays it during his freetime at the WMF center, but still, considering his tight practice schedule, that would still be nothing more than a ridiculous number of hours/weeks. Not to mention that playing Starcraft and Warcraft both at the same time is ridicously hard, I've personally tried it and it was close to impossible to become decent at both games. So just cause of that means he didn't? People stop writing what you believe as a fact -.- | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
Ermx, I would like to ask, is he on A team back when he was @ SKT1? I know Boxer is! And I really hoped to see him play sometimes. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
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natturner
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On February 06 2010 21:27 Letmelose wrote: I'm afraid you are incorrect. The last ranked player on the B-team just happens to have the same name as the famous Warcraft 3 player, who is no where to be found on the list. was ning[kal] drafted by wemade? i searched for him on the both the kespa and wemade sites earlier and he wasn't listed under wemade's roster on either one. on kespa they actually still have him listed as a semipro. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On February 07 2010 00:14 XiaoJoyce- wrote: It's good to see Midas on A team Ermx, I would like to ask, is he on A team back when he was @ SKT1? I know Boxer is! And I really hoped to see him play sometimes. Midas was on the SKT A-team until shortly after the Incruit 2008 OSL iirc. After a long period of stagnation on the B-Team he came to Wemade, where he has had a little more success. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
LOL at Rock with less than 30% win rate hahahahhaaa | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5556 Posts
On February 06 2010 20:46 TeWy wrote: Moon never plaid on ICCup, he switched to War3 with his friends right when War3 came out. War3:ROC was launched in June 2002. I'm not saying that he completly stopped playing Starcraft at that time, but he never stated in any of his interviews that it was one of his main hobby. I believe that he sometimes plays it during his freetime at the WMF center, but still, considering his tight practice schedule, that would still be nothing more than a ridiculous number of hours/weeks. Not to mention that playing Starcraft and Warcraft both at the same time is ridicously hard, I've personally tried it and it was close to impossible to become decent at both games. Sorry, I meant "B iCCup skill level". Not that he actually played it (doesn't mean he doesn't). It was just an estimation and I undervalued his skill level on purpose (for the sake of my reasoning being more fair - it's better to assume he's worse than he actually is). He's actually better than that, which taking games of Testie and couple notable Chinese players over the years proves, imo. Moon also follows the progaming scene. And you should look at his mechanics. You simply can't have such BW mechanics with little practice. Even seasoned top BW players get rusty over time. | ||
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NeCroPoTeNce
United States513 Posts
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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United States2822 Posts
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