[Spoilers] The 'Flash' Pop-up

On January 16 2010 19:10 Crunchums wrote:
it was pretty weird but uh FLASH JAEDONG so I don't really care

On January 16 2010 19:14 OpticalShot wrote:
I thought it was part of the buffering-lag-whatever from the stream, but I suppose it wasn't. Why does this make e-sports into a "joke sport"? Just because they tried to add a little drama to the tournament? I'm not against this thing they did, as long as they don't overuse it in the future, I think it's ok.

I'm sure they'd have aired that pop-up anyway sometime during the decisive game of the series (game 3, 4, or 5 - it turned out to be game 3).

On January 16 2010 19:15 Shikyo wrote:

imo the thing is, the game wasn't over and Kal was still playing, it's extremely rude. Like offensive GGing.

On January 16 2010 19:26 JohnColtrane wrote:
it was over, kal just didnt gg yet

On January 16 2010 19:10 Niton wrote:
Dude, It's Just A Game.™

On January 16 2010 19:33 PanoRaMa wrote:
Well they probably would've shown that as well if it were jaedong being on the verge of losing the series. I think if anything it was more a testament to the seemingly omniscient, ominous power of Flash.

On January 16 2010 19:27 roMAD wrote:

Koreans treat SC as a sport, along with soccer, baseball etc. Imo that pop-up was unnecessary, considering that Kal was still in the game, as people have already mentioned.

On January 16 2010 19:43 538 wrote:
At first I thought it was only on Roffles' stream too. (I had ferron on, but when i checked back to see if its there, it disappeared)

I think it is rude and unacceptable, and as people have pointed out before, similar to offensive gging.
(even though it didnt say Jaedong vs Flash is coming, but implied that the series was over, which at 2-0 and JD winning is very similar)

edit:
for all the people saying that "it was over, just Kal didnt gg yet": Do you often say offensive gg? Don't you see what's the problem with that?

On January 16 2010 20:03 FaCE_1 wrote:
anyone got a screenshot of that or something ??

On January 16 2010 19:32 KwarK wrote:
Wrestling is a joke because it's scripted. The hype aspect of wrestling is important to get viewers and pretty standard. They can emulate the good bits of wrestling without it becoming a joke. As long as the games aren't fixed I'm happy.

On January 16 2010 20:07 p4NDemik wrote:
Do people not remember the changes they made to get to this point? The stupid quirks like Bo5's split into two days, or re-seeding in the middle of the playoff stage? Honestly I'd take it all in stride if they didn't act like this is the end of their "master plan" by pulling stupid stunts like this. We all knew MBC execs wanted to see this. We're not stupid. But let us keep that in the back of our minds. Just don't smear it in our faces by forcing us to watch this poor excuse for "hype." Ignorance is bliss.

Any time the organization behind a competition shows some sort of favoritism they should be scolded. They are supposed to play the part of the neutral host, even if one outcome is obviously more beneficial towards them in the end.

On January 16 2010 19:51 p4NDemik wrote:

True, but the commentators never actually impede with your own viewing of the game that is being played at that moment. They don't overlay some cheesy image that makes it difficult to tell if that last pitch was a ball or a strike. Anything that detracts with the enjoyment of what is currently going on in the game is going too far.

On January 16 2010 20:40 p4NDemik wrote:
The image in question:

On January 16 2010 19:52 7mk wrote:


I can see how fans of kal must have been annoyed but it's not the same because it's not like kal was aware that they showed it

On January 16 2010 21:01 KristianJS wrote:
That is incredibly rude and unprofessional of them. I mean seriously, can you picture that happening in any other serious sport like tennis? Of course not, because it would be incredibly disrespectful to the player assumed to be losing.

On January 16 2010 21:24 LF9 wrote:
Rude or not, it's ridiculously cheesy. e-sports BADLY needs to stay away from this type of thing, because to be taken seriously as a competitive entity, it needs to have a certain air of "professionalism" that others have already alluded to; this clearly does NOT involve earning any sort of comparison to WWWE, or anything like it. Can you honestly see a popup in the corner of the screen, near the end of the NFC Championship game in American Pro Football, with Peyton Manning's face, and he starts laughing, and points to the camera, and says "muahahaha, you may taste victory on this day, Brett Favre, but I await you in the SUPER BOWL! VICTORY WILL BE MINE!" That would be utterly ridiculous and unnecessary (and doubly so if it happened at halftime). True competitive sports don't need anyone to invent drama around them; the drama comes, of its own accord, and in its own ways. It need not be fabricated, and to attempt to do so only undermines the integrity of the entire thing.

On January 16 2010 21:53 Waxangel wrote:
there's a big divide between where e-sports is actually at, and where fans imagine it's at.

If you look at the production, the announcing, the promotion, and everything about e-sports, it's done with a lot entertainment and song&dance in mind. Only professional wrestling goes more overboard than progaming.

On January 16 2010 21:40 Niton wrote:


Tennis is about the only sport I can think of in which things of this nature don't occur - baseball, basketball, football, soccer and more than likely most international sports have the same phenomenon, where once a match is assumed to be wrapped up, the commentators will talk about the winner's next match or what the loser did wrong before the game's even over, and they look foolish when the "winner" winds up losing the game. To me, this is the same kind of thing - it was just done in a really shoddy manner.

On January 16 2010 21:01 KristianJS wrote:
That is incredibly rude and unprofessional of them. I mean seriously, can you picture that happening in any other serious sport like tennis? Of course not, because it would be incredibly disrespectful to the player assumed to be losing.

On January 16 2010 23:20 GTR wrote:
rofl you called us kids.
Although I am not of legal age, I am old enough to know the rules of grammar by now and to not have my feelings hurt by a supposed slight that wasn't meant to be mean.

On January 16 2010 23:20 GTR wrote:
rofl you are calling us kids.
think of who, yourself are.

On January 16 2010 23:23 Kenpachi wrote:
oh kespa. why.

On January 16 2010 19:15 Shikyo wrote:

imo the thing is, the game wasn't over and Kal was still playing, it's extremely rude. Like offensive GGing.

On January 17 2010 01:10 GTR wrote:


and?

On January 17 2010 00:35 AlwaysGG wrote:
yes yes it was over but kal didn't gg yet

but imagine how kal would feel? it's rude and unmanner and in a professional esport
i think in order to keep it professional this kind of stuff shouldn't happen

yes ur flash and jaedong , but so ?

On January 17 2010 01:14 Spenguin wrote:


Definitely for all the controversy behind strict rules now enforced for that message to be allowed during the game is hypocritical and incredibly rude to Kal.

On January 16 2010 22:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Yes I can it's just more subtle, like zooming in on the player in the audience that is already in the final while the live match is at 2-0 5-0. This is really not a big deal. If they had zoomed in on Flash sitting in the audience the place would have gone nuts with applause. People are weird like that.

I don't think anyone is a supporter of the message but getting upset over it seems over the top.

On January 17 2010 01:40 m3rciless wrote:
Man, fans are annoying.

Everyone's all complaining that esports is dying and blaming KESPA for stagnating the scene, the proleague arenas are practically empty, and then when someone tries to rejuvenate things a little bit, QQ BAW BAW.

Edit: Typo

On January 16 2010 19:10 Niton wrote:
Dude, It's Just A Game.™

On January 17 2010 01:50 heyoka wrote:
For what its worth people hated Flash for cheesing before they hated him for turtling

its probably some kind of sine function

On January 17 2010 01:59 Frits wrote:
lol i dont hear anyone complaining when they have those incredibly cheesy opening ceremonies at the finals and all that kind of crap, not to mention all those retarded (although sometimes funny as hell) ceremonies from progamers.

And now people are whining about one dumb popup, come on. Besides, none of it impacts the games itself, unlike fake wrestling where it's all staged.

On January 17 2010 02:06 domane wrote:
Still, MSL Finals advertisement should have been shown during the commercial break.

MBC rushed it. Bad timing.

On January 17 2010 02:14 thopol wrote:
Super fucking lame.

I mean, everyone wants a JD vs Flash final. That's cool, and MBC is loving it. But advertising the match before the semifinal is over?? That's too much, it's whack. No respect for Kal or his fans, and really, it shows a lack of respect for Jaedong. They should have dealt with the semifinal in one go. Discussed what happened, done the whole song and dance, and hyped up how well JD performed.

Point is, I think it was too quick. Let it wait a little bit. This finals will have plenty of hype without interrupting the semifinal games.

On January 16 2010 20:07 p4NDemik wrote:
Do people not remember the changes they made to get to this point? The stupid quirks like Bo5's split into two days, or re-seeding in the middle of the playoff stage? Honestly I'd take it all in stride if they didn't act like this is the end of their "master plan" by pulling stupid stunts like this. We all knew MBC execs wanted to see this. We're not stupid. But let us keep that in the back of our minds. Just don't smear it in our faces by forcing us to watch this poor excuse for "hype." Ignorance is bliss.

Any time the organization behind a competition shows some sort of favoritism they should be scolded. They are supposed to play the part of the neutral host, even if one outcome is obviously more beneficial towards them in the end.

On January 17 2010 02:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

Haha remember the GOM final with Jangbi and Bisu slowly moving to each other on those platforms?

On January 17 2010 03:17 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
In lopsided NFL playoff games, they always spend the last few minutes talking about the next matchup.

As far as I can tell from other comments, the Flash popup did not mention Jaedong specifically.

Complainers gotta complain.

On January 17 2010 03:50 KristianJS wrote:
Wait, the popup didn't even mention Jaedong specifically? Uhhhh, well then why on earth is there this much fuss about it? I mean sure it's cheesy but that's nothing to get so upset about.

I thought the popup was calling the game for Jaedong before it was over, which would have been disrespectful (although not outrageous given the situation) -_-

On January 17 2010 04:13 BanZu wrote:
Lul, some people take things in life too seriously. Sure, that's alright. But sometimes you need to step back and realize what you're spewing out of your mouth and what you're actually bitching about.

On January 17 2010 07:07 Dental Floss wrote:


God forbid that people talk about pro starcraft on a message board that is devoted to the single topic of pro starcraft. I mean seriously why are you even posting here if you don't want to read or post about professional starcraft?

On January 17 2010 07:51 noddyz wrote:
This is the first step on the long road to progamer entrance music.

I support.

On January 17 2010 07:51 noddyz wrote:
This is the first step on the long road to progamer entrance music.

I support.

On January 17 2010 09:09 opsayo wrote:
it was kind of rude, kind of funny, but who cares, it's not a big deal

if they jumped kal in the booth with female bodybuilders during the 3rd game to ensure his loss then maybe we have a case

isn't this the forum that makes fun of julyzerg being fat? pot meet kettle

On January 17 2010 13:24 Scaramanga wrote:

Its not like we have TL agents at live sc matches when julyzerg plays with a massive bucket of kfc throwing peices of chicken at him, i can understand them doing it but in the middle of the game? come on mbc

On January 17 2010 13:33 dasanivan wrote:
e-sports are very, very young. i personally label this as experimentation and do not expect such things to be done in the future. probably added to the hype to some extent though (as if an OSL finals needed extra hype).

On January 17 2010 13:53 opsayo wrote:

so its cool to be disrespectful, as long as they don't know

as long as we are taking the moral low ground consistently i am fine

On January 17 2010 15:12 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I felt really bad for Kal when they did that. It was unbelievably rude to a player who obviously put his all into preparing and just came up short vs the dong.

I guess we could interpret it as Flash vs JD OR Kal, but meh. It struck me as rude.

On January 17 2010 15:18 Xxio wrote:


At what point in the game did he come up? If it was before it was obvious Jaedong had won then it's not rude to Kal at all, just shitty advertising. But if it was while Kal's main was getting wiped out then yea, that would be rude.

On January 17 2010 15:28 konadora wrote:

i think it was at the point when Kal was going for one last hanbang push

I'll check later

Edit: Oh okay it was when Kal's army that attacked 7 was destroyed, although Kal was on 3 bases at that point of time.

On January 17 2010 16:11 Waxangel wrote:
I kind of want to make that my cell phone alarm sound now

On January 17 2010 02:42 Crunchums wrote:

The changes made perfect sense (except for splitting series) - every sport with a playoff system has brackets based on seeding. IMO it's the OSL that's being stupid for NOT doing this and now they're paying for it by having Flash vs Movie instead of Flash vs Jaedong. Hopefully they will fix this soon.

On January 18 2010 18:42 p4NDemik wrote:


I can understand people defending the stunt MBC pulled. But the way they changed how their playoff system works is indefensible in my mind. I can't think of a single other competition that reseeds players/teams after a playoff has already began.

On January 18 2010 18:50 esla_sol wrote:



the NHL reseeds after each round.

and their system is going to bring us flash vs jaedong...how can you be upset?

On January 19 2010 05:43 lone_hydra wrote:

The NHL doesn't change the seeds to rigg the brackets for the hopes of a biger finals. I can be real upset if they purposly changed the system just so they could increase chances of a Flash JD final. That kind of thing would be real unethical. But if it is truly all by chance, I'm cool with it.

Kinda off topic, but I find Kespa to be also a profit driven organization. In other sports, the governing body usually always work to provide fair/good conditions for its players and they are paid to do so. Kespa seems to provide conditions nessary for them to get paid more.

On January 19 2010 06:47 esla_sol wrote:


you mean a company wants to make money? considering the great product they give, i think they are allowed.

jaedong and flash are #1 and 2 in kespa..wouldnt normal brackets have them on opposite sides?

the whole purpose of seeds is to make it so the best players play each other in the final rounds.

On January 19 2010 10:36 lone_hydra wrote:


There are many ways to seed a player. You can seed them based on Kespa, MSL performance, and what not. Changing the way to seed a player to purposely make it so 2 popular players face each other in the finals to improve ratings is not ethical. That is unfair to other players. I am not accusing them of doing so, I'm just saying that if they did, it would be unethical.

On January 18 2010 18:42 p4NDemik wrote:

Does the Australian Open reseed the players once it gets to the quarterfinals? Does the World Cup reseed each remaining team in the quarterfinal stage of the playoffs? It would be one thing if the MSL seeded the players at the Ro16 stage, but doing it when there's only two rounds left before the final is just beyond stupid.

I can understand people defending the stunt MBC pulled. But the way they changed how their playoff system works is indefensible in my mind. I can't think of a single other competition that reseeds players/teams after a playoff has already began.

On January 19 2010 10:36 lone_hydra wrote:


There are many ways to seed a player. You can seed them based on Kespa, MSL performance, and what not. Changing the way to seed a player to purposely make it so 2 popular players face each other in the finals to improve ratings is not ethical. That is unfair to other players. I am not accusing them of doing so, I'm just saying that if they did, it would be unethical.

On January 21 2010 01:28 TimmyMac wrote:

Seeding almost always works so that if all the games go according to rank, the two top players/teams meet in the finals. How many finals have Federer/Nadal met in?