EPTI don't get the hate for Flash in that game really. Cheese can be fun. BBS or 4pool would have been a little lame but a proxy 7rax targeted at the scouting overlord is hardly a standard cheese build. The pulled scvs were just a reaction to JD's 12hatch.
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Viscount
Canada7 Posts
I don't get the hate for Flash in that game really. Cheese can be fun. BBS or 4pool would have been a little lame but a proxy 7rax targeted at the scouting overlord is hardly a standard cheese build. The pulled scvs were just a reaction to JD's 12hatch. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On December 26 2009 09:14 Avidkeystamper wrote: It was an 8 rax. It's quite clearly 7 rax on the vod, 6 scvs mining and he builds the barracks before starting his 8th scv. | ||
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dnosrc
Germany454 Posts
On December 26 2009 08:18 On_Slaught wrote: What the fuck is this? What a hateful, arbitrary and subjective statement that is an affront to everything jaedong has done for starcraft and all the fans he has brought in. You are clearly a tool and should stop posting. jaedong fans keep saying such things about fantasy .. finally a terran who can play his "easy" matchup! the dark age with shitty zvz is hopefully gone :D | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On December 26 2009 08:21 arb wrote: i thought its called cheese cause people like to whine about it AKA a play on people like wine with cheese.. I hope what you said is true, because that's the cutest explanation ever. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On December 26 2009 04:00 dukethegold wrote: Even against all odds, I will root for Movie. I am anti-Shine fan for life. Flash v.s. Shine OSL final would be almost worse than a ZvZ final. Almost. BTW, my jaw dropped when Flash 8 rax bunker rushed Jaedong. WHO THE HELL DOES A CHEESE AGAINST YOUR STRONGEST RIVAL IN FRONT OF THE BIGGEST AUDIENCE ON CHRISTMAS? Also, screw those guys who claim Flash's strategy isn't cheese. There is no dictionary definition for cheese. There is no wikipedia entry on starcraft "cheese". It is CHEESE when the player pulls off a cheesy move to end the game in an anti-climatic fashion. So 2 hatch muta is also cheese? It ends game often quickly in an anti-climatic fashion. Lets just adopt completely arbitrary standards and call cheese anything that leads to our favourite player losing. | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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ItsBigfoot
United States432 Posts
On December 26 2009 08:18 On_Slaught wrote: What the fuck is this? What a hateful, arbitrary and subjective statement that is an affront to everything jaedong has done for starcraft and all the fans he has brought in. You are clearly a tool and should stop posting. switch the word "jaedong" with "Flash" and you have a rebuttal to all the jaedong fanboys crying about a little cheese | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 26 2009 08:38 Viscount wrote: I figured it was called that just cause cheese is cheesy. I don't get the hate for Flash in that game really. Cheese can be fun. BBS or 4pool would have been a little lame but a proxy 7rax targeted at the scouting overlord is hardly a standard cheese build. The pulled scvs were just a reaction to JD's 12hatch. Good post, word | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 26 2009 10:24 Lebesgue wrote: So 2 hatch muta is also cheese? It ends game often quickly in an anti-climatic fashion. Lets just adopt completely arbitrary standards and call cheese anything that leads to our favourite player losing. 2 hat muta with a bunch of lings is certainly cheese, and 2 hat muta without many lings can transition into a long game just fine and what flash did is obviously cheese, 7 rax and pulling 4 scvs? it doesnt really matter if it was a good decision or planned out or what, he was going for a quick kill and if it had failed he would have lost. that kind of build IS what cheese is. the fact that it was really likely to work just means its a good cheese. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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SiDX
New Zealand1975 Posts
On December 26 2009 12:02 slimshady wrote: Flash will win OSL. You heard it here first. Actually i hear it everywhere because its obviously going to happen. Flash may lose in a bo3 but i don't see him losing a bo5. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
On December 26 2009 06:28 Hinanawi wrote: I watched the finals drunk with some friends, so I couldn't keep up with the TL thread/livestream stuff, but now I'm home and oh man oh man, the tears! The TEARS! DELICIOUS! A few points: - Flash almost definitely would have stomped JD in a long game, anyway. - Flash doing 8rax was brilliant because he hasn't done a build like that in so long, and JD probably thought "Well, he can beat me with a safe economic build, why would he do that?" - Zergs in the future will have to shit bricks wondering if Flash is going to bunker rush them; they might hesitate to go 12hatch so often. It's a move that will pay dividends in the future for Flash as well. So you JD fans can cry all you want, but you know that you'd be going 'OMFG JAEDONG IS A FUCKING GENIUS' if he successfully 4pooled Flash. And 8rax isn't even close to 4pool level of cheesiness, either. About Shine vs Stork, I'm really sad for Stork since he's my 2nd favorite player. The 2nd match was an awesome game by Stork. I'm upset he lost too, but there's no need to take it out on Shine. The kid probably works hard, and his grandma was there at the match, that was cute. JD didn't look nearly as tired this game as he did his first. Flash probably cheesed because he was up 1, and didn't want to face a fresh JD if he didn't have to. It was HBR, which is for some reason a map that JD struggles on so Flash was likely to win anyways, but I don't see why he had to cheese. Secondly, it was a 7 rax not 8 rax. Then, it was a 7 rax PROXY, into a BUNKER RUSH, with 3 ADDITIONAL PULLED sev's. That is far more cheesy then a 4 pool. Cheese is never fun to watch. Ever. I don't like it when anybody does cheese. People who are happy now just want their favorite player // race to win rather then to see a good game. | ||
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lisakki
Finland41 Posts
On December 26 2009 07:50 PanN wrote: Yea, jaedong sure is a pussy, two osl's in a year, what a bitch. Lets hate the players on a more personal level, because its intelligent. What do you mean by "personal level"? You mean hating them for their personality? If I can't hate a player for his personality, what am I supposed to hate him by? His stats? Win/Loss ratio? Number of golds? My favorite player of all time, Reach, has only won 1 OSL. But I don't like Reach because he won the OSL, I like Reach because I like his style and personality. Is this "not intelligent" to you too, because I like him for a completely subjective and biased reason? | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
On December 26 2009 16:47 dogabutila wrote: Secondly, it was a 7 rax not 8 rax. Then, it was a 7 rax PROXY, into a BUNKER RUSH, with 3 ADDITIONAL PULLED sev's. That is far more cheesy then a 4 pool. Wrong. NOTHING is more cheesy than a 4 pool. Nothing. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
On December 26 2009 18:05 dogabutila wrote: 4 pools can die to sev's. Yeah. If the person has the micro capabilities of a computer... | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
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