I skipped several pages of this thread just to re-quote this. This is right beyond belief. No one knows much about any of the chinese gamers because of how little they are active in the community. If it isn't a money sort of opportunity for them they don't even bother.

But how can they? They speak barely any English/None at all.

Perhaps they could say that we are inactive in their community, I mean why aren't we on their boards posting away?

Ret's honest opinion was that he feels Chinese players are not part of our community. That's 100% perfectly fine, it's his opinion he's not some judge sworn to uphold neutrality and if he feels that Chinese aren't part of the foreign community then so be it. He's not even that upset... he's very gentle about the issue and just it more comes down to what he "feels" and he just feels that the Chinese players don't fit in with the spirit of TSL.

But that was a good interview, I enjoyed it a lot. Especially the bit about Dreamleague, I hope IdrA can take some games there in the future.

Ilikestarcraft

Korea (South)17733 Posts

December 03 2009 01:28 GMT

#204

was pretty funny how artosis said that terran was second in asl and than idra says shhh its a secret

ptell

United States103 Posts

December 03 2009 05:18 GMT

#205

I did some sound editing to remove the background noise. There's a small improvement.

Follow the link to download the MP3. [url blocked]

mmp

United States2130 Posts

December 03 2009 05:47 GMT

#206

Idra needs to expand his wardrobe.

etch

Canada176 Posts

December 03 2009 06:01 GMT

#207

On December 03 2009 14:47 mmp wrote:
Idra needs to expand his wardrobe.

if you had a CJ jacket like his you'd show it off every chance you got too.

wok

United States504 Posts

December 03 2009 06:10 GMT

#208

Kwark may have told me to lay off, but I'm still seething at idra's BM. Booooo.

Ganfei

Taiwan1439 Posts

December 03 2009 07:35 GMT

#209

On December 03 2009 02:02 7mk wrote:

Show nested quote +

On December 03 2009 01:42 ret wrote:

On December 03 2009 01:21 Scooge wrote:

On December 02 2009 20:33 ret wrote:
not understanding my point makes you pretty retarded. You can either agree or disagree with what I said, but if you've followed sc at all for the past few years you'd at least see both sides have some merit.

It just ends up being a debate about what TSL is really is, for me teamliquid, and TSL stands for the foreign 'community'. The community that has never had big tournaments (the last year has actually been quite good). A chance for the players to finally play for a 'real prize' against each other. A reward for the years of hard work everyone put in simply because they LOVE the game. The community that has always been in a dark corner of the world ever since warcraft 3 came out because the only thing we had was WCG. And a lot of countries didn't even have that. China has a pro-scene. China has MAJOR tournaments all year long. Chinese players make good money off SC.

Part of what makes a community is that among foreigners, everyone knows each other, we meet each other all the time in different tournaments, play online, all that stuff. We've all bitched to each other about how there should be more tournaments and asked each other ' is playing this game really worth it?' as we watched war3 pros rack in thausands of $. Chinese have never participated in the day to day routines of 'foreign' bw. F91 playing in liqubition.. He did that for money. And caused a shitload of lag problems for the players he had to face. Is that really an arguement as to why he's part of the 'foreign' community? They played (lagged) up a few clanwars with Fnatic for a couple of months BECAUSE fnatic paid them a big fat salary that ended up being fnatic sc's downfall.

For me the only reason that having anyone besides people that are from the 'foreign community' that most us know and love ( ok, maybe not love) is that the TSL is sponsored by a big company now that wants to see a return on their investment. I had not taken PGL into consideration, because I wasn't playing when it happend and never really gotten any word of it. But that does change things in favor of having Chinese players. slightly.

I have nothing against Chinese players, I know they are good people. But that's just my opinion.

There are numerous foreign players that do exactly what you just listed. They play purely for money. Does JF enter any tournament without a prize? Does Draco? Are they part of TL or post on the forums? Do they stream constantly and interact with the community? You can't restrict it to just Chinese players and try to paint the rest of the non-Chinese foreigner community as saints.

Draco and JF have been in foreign tournaments and clanwars every weekend ( Draco not so much since he retired ) for years and years.

Draco even has a stream

Yeah, Draco's a HUGE streamer /sarcasm (rofl)

number1gog

United States1081 Posts

December 03 2009 07:59 GMT

#210

On December 03 2009 15:10 wok wrote:
Kwark may have told me to lay off, but I'm still seething at idra's BM. Booooo.

What bm? I appreciated how candid he was. I'd take an honest answer over a politically correct one any day.

Sadistx

Zimbabwe5568 Posts

December 03 2009 08:34 GMT

#211

On December 03 2009 15:10 wok wrote:
Kwark may have told me to lay off, but I'm still seething at idra's BM. Booooo.

You're delusional. There was no bm.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

December 03 2009 11:24 GMT

#212

jeez if you all think that was BM u should play me

ShaperofDreams

Canada2492 Posts

December 03 2009 11:39 GMT

#213

To the people who say Idra shouldn't be allowed to participate in this and other foreign tournaments:

That's complete bullshit. Idra made a life-changing decision to move to a completely foreign country so he can follow his dream of becoming a professional gamer, where his competition is 300+ gamers playing 10+ hours a day. For this he gets banned from the foreign (as in outside of Korea) tournaments by the community which he has been a part of since adolescence?

What the fuck.

I apologize for the derail but this traitorous banter evokes great nerd rage from within my soul.

Foucault

Sweden2826 Posts

December 03 2009 12:16 GMT

#214

On December 03 2009 20:39 ShaperofDreams wrote:
To the people who say Idra shouldn't be allowed to participate in this and other foreign tournaments:

That's complete bullshit. Idra made a life-changing decision to move to a completely foreign country so he can follow his dream of becoming a professional gamer, where his competition is 300+ gamers playing 10+ hours a day. For this he gets banned from the foreign (as in outside of Korea) tournaments by the community which he has been a part of since adolescence?

What the fuck.

I apologize for the derail but this traitorous banter evokes great nerd rage from within my soul.

lol then again it's not like he sacrificed himself for TL or for any other community. He moved to Korea to become a progamer because he wanted to. Why are you making him into a martyr?

ShaperofDreams

Canada2492 Posts

December 03 2009 20:50 GMT

#215

I never said he sacrificed himself for TL or any other community.

StorrZerg

United States13919 Posts

December 03 2009 21:01 GMT

#216

On December 03 2009 15:10 wok wrote:
Kwark may have told me to lay off, but I'm still seething at idra's BM. Booooo.

god lol

Leath

Canada1724 Posts

December 04 2009 11:16 GMT

#217

Im very disapointed on Ret.

I was hoping he would have a heavy Dutch accent like GoldFinger

MorroW

Sweden3522 Posts

December 04 2009 12:17 GMT

#218

top 5 laggers:
1: china
2: chile
3: castro
4: korea
5: ppl who refuse to leave after just have wasted their army and is about to lose their last money income plus main base

solution:
rent some random house in europe with decent internet connection and send all of these guys who qualify in top48 plus lags hard to this house and it will be lag free

im not being serious im just trying to explain to u that more than the chinese are lagging hard and its better that we look for solutions rather than discussing who is active in the foreign scene. TSL is a competitive league for competitive players, not a league for players who use teamliquid for entertainment... but this is just my opinion ;p

ye lol Leath id like ret alot more if his voice was like that xD

Camlito

Australia4040 Posts

December 04 2009 13:01 GMT

#219

Australians can lag pretty bad too

Kong John

Denmark1020 Posts

December 04 2009 13:32 GMT

#220

I think F91 is the one chinese player that is part of the non-chinese foreign community, and im very happy to see him represent china in this tournament. Even though Ret said that him and Idra are a part of the foreign scene even if they live in korea, so is F91. I mean he got pretty famous after owning up Liquibition, so i dont see any reason why he shouldnt be included even if hes only going for the money. I love Ret but that really dident make much sense to me.