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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
November 23 2009 10:01 GMT
#81
Any results?
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Not_A_Notion
Profile Joined May 2009
Ireland441 Posts
November 23 2009 13:42 GMT
#82
gl IdrA, hope you get a healthy number of games so that you can prove you really were a good trade for that bag of rice
A worrying lack of anvils
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
November 23 2009 18:35 GMT
#83
battle royal?
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-23 19:13:57
November 23 2009 19:11 GMT
#84
There is Trap? I still remember IdrA's first televised game lol.
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
November 23 2009 22:32 GMT
#85
On November 23 2009 14:27 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2009 14:16 mrdx wrote:
I don't get it. Just a month ago Killer was still in team A and even sent to 2 ace games. Now he's playing in minor league?? This is probably the right decision, but that even made the previous decision of sending him to aces seemed even more ridiculous.
Hwaseung's coaching staff seemed to make really ridiculous calls that could not be explained by anything except retardness sometimes o_O


You don't think once Killer gets better he might take a better attitude toward ace matches than someone who'd never played in one?

Some players what doesn't kill them makes them stronger - maybe Oz's coach saw that Killer had the potential and is thinking long term?

There's all kinds of possibilities here - I'm inclined to believe in the coach who turned Hwaseung from a garbage team to a powerhouse and cultivated Jaedong to his full potential, over a bunch of guys who see ZERO of the practice games and know nothing about a player other than the few televised matches they've watched.

I love it when people on this forum talk out of their ass all day as if the coaches didn't think of the same things that it took them like 3 seconds to think of and post on TL.

If Oz coach thought Killer had the potential, then why demoted him INSTANTLY to Minor League just a few weeks after making him an ace over Jaedong?

I certainly agree with you that no one here is in a better position than the coaches but it doesn't mean that every decision they made are unquestionable. Sometimes they could still make terrible mistakes that even those "who see ZERO of the practice games and know nothing about a player other than the few televised matches they've watched" wouldn't make. It's the same like other sports really - don't tell me that you've never seen a retarded call from a coach in football etc.
To me no matter how I look at it the Oz coaching staff failed hard in this Killer case.
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geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
November 24 2009 04:36 GMT
#86
On November 24 2009 07:32 mrdx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2009 14:27 darktreb wrote:
On November 23 2009 14:16 mrdx wrote:
I don't get it. Just a month ago Killer was still in team A and even sent to 2 ace games. Now he's playing in minor league?? This is probably the right decision, but that even made the previous decision of sending him to aces seemed even more ridiculous.
Hwaseung's coaching staff seemed to make really ridiculous calls that could not be explained by anything except retardness sometimes o_O


You don't think once Killer gets better he might take a better attitude toward ace matches than someone who'd never played in one?

Some players what doesn't kill them makes them stronger - maybe Oz's coach saw that Killer had the potential and is thinking long term?

There's all kinds of possibilities here - I'm inclined to believe in the coach who turned Hwaseung from a garbage team to a powerhouse and cultivated Jaedong to his full potential, over a bunch of guys who see ZERO of the practice games and know nothing about a player other than the few televised matches they've watched.

I love it when people on this forum talk out of their ass all day as if the coaches didn't think of the same things that it took them like 3 seconds to think of and post on TL.

If Oz coach thought Killer had the potential, then why demoted him INSTANTLY to Minor League just a few weeks after making him an ace over Jaedong?

I certainly agree with you that no one here is in a better position than the coaches but it doesn't mean that every decision they made are unquestionable. Sometimes they could still make terrible mistakes that even those "who see ZERO of the practice games and know nothing about a player other than the few televised matches they've watched" wouldn't make. It's the same like other sports really - don't tell me that you've never seen a retarded call from a coach in football etc.
To me no matter how I look at it the Oz coaching staff failed hard in this Killer case.


I dont think they really made bad decisions. Oz is just giving the inexperience players get the experience and make them carry weight for the team. but i really think Oz coach is thinking really well trying to get a gold somewhere in the future
pew pew
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
November 24 2009 16:30 GMT
#87
The more leagues, the better. Awesome. ^^
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
November 24 2009 16:32 GMT
#88
there's still no results for this?
no surprise that kespa managed to make something even worse than it previously was
Entusman #12
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
November 24 2009 22:38 GMT
#89
sigh, give us the juice already
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
November 24 2009 23:14 GMT
#90
No results that I can find however STX and Hite did release lineups:

STX SouL
Player: (P)SoO
Player: (P)hOdduk
Player: (P)Trap
Player: (T)Sse[kal]
Player: (Z)yCh[z-zOne]

hite SPARKYZ
Captain: (T)Justin
Player: (P)Tazza
Player: (P)HakSoo
Player: (P)herb
Player: (T)SungEun
Player: (Z)Lake[Shield]
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
November 24 2009 23:56 GMT
#91
On November 25 2009 08:14 pachi wrote:
No results that I can find however STX and Hite did release lineups:

STX SouL
Player: (P)SoO
Player: (P)hOdduk
Player: (P)Trap
Player: (T)Sse[kal]
Player: (Z)yCh[z-zOne]

hite SPARKYZ
Captain: (T)Justin
Player: (P)Tazza
Player: (P)HakSoo
Player: (P)herb
Player: (T)SungEun
Player: (Z)Lake[Shield]

such small lineups, and only one zerg each O_O
Entusman #12
rA.Hippie
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Denmark714 Posts
November 25 2009 00:03 GMT
#92
Watch ych destroy this minor league :O I called it.
I love teh shisha.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
November 25 2009 00:08 GMT
#93
STX Soul will be participating in this as well? I thought they didn't have a B-team.

Yeah...they're not listed there... ):
Hello
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 00:32:22
November 25 2009 00:30 GMT
#94
Too many games played in SC nowadays imo

Oh, go Idra! =)
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
November 25 2009 01:00 GMT
#95
Ok it seems like the start was pushed back to allow for Hite and STX to come back.

I think this is day 1 starting on the 26th:

SK Telecom T1 vs Samsung KHAN
Game 1: (T)yeOngJae < Match Point > (Z)Chavi
Game 2: (P)TosSLove < Fighting Spirit > (Z)Rarity
Game 3: (Z)n.Die_soO < Outsider SE > (T)TurN
Game 4: (T)Mong < Tornado > (P)M18M
Game 5: < Moon Glaive >

Hwaseung Oz vs STX SouL
Game 1: (T)Bee < Fighting Spirit > (P)hOdduk
Game 2: (P)Sky[kaL] < Moon Glaive > (T)Sse[kal]
Game 3: (Z)Killer < Tornado > (Z)yCh[z-zOne]
Game 4: (P)PerfectMan < Outsider SE > (P)Trap
Game 5: < Heartbreak Ridge >

SK Telecom T1 vs Hwaseung Oz
Game 1: (Z)maestro < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)Spear
Game 2: (Z)n.Die_soO < Moon Glaive > (T)Bee
Game 3: (T)Mong < Tornado > (Z)Killer
Game 4: (P)Paralyze < Outsider SE > (Z)NeeL
Game 5: < Fighting Spirit >

Samsung KHAN vs STX SouL
Game 1: (T)Firebat < Moon Glaive > (T)Sse[kal]
Game 2: (P)Brave < Fighting Spirit > (P)hOdduk
Game 3: (P)ASuka-Jr < Outsider SE > (P)Trap
Game 4: (Z)Lucky < Tornado > (Z)yCh[z-zOne]
Game 5: < Match Point >
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Tassix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada26 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 01:11:24
November 25 2009 01:07 GMT
#96
Re: Why are some modest A team players put on the B team rosters?

Think of B team players like farm teams in sports. Put some players you want to get more experience or need a confidence boost into the lower league instead of riding the bench in the top league. The AHL or Triple A baseball have a lot of players teams want to develop or keep exposed to quality play time.

Getting something like a 25-10 record in Dream league and 1-1 in Proleague is likely to do more for you than something like 1-2 in Pro league. I would be surprised if these were locked rosters that didn't have mobility between the leagues.

Out of curiosity, what would Greg/Idra be put as on a Korean schedule? Would they just use English so you would get "Greg Fields" in a wall of Korean names?
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
November 25 2009 01:19 GMT
#97
Maybe Idra and Ret can play! :D
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 25 2009 01:22 GMT
#98
ohhh so that's why we haven't had results yet. Any idea if they are being broadcasted or not?????
Writerptrk
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-26 03:57:41
November 26 2009 03:55 GMT
#99
The only matchup that looks remotely interesting is Killer v.s. Mong. Mong showed some promise during the off season. Let's see how well he fares against Oz's 2nd Ace player who apparently just got demoted back to B-team.

If your team's 2nd best player is a B-teamer, be afraid, be very afraid.

Oh, and I LOL'ED at Chavi's record. He is the perfect 50% player.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51500 Posts
November 30 2009 08:42 GMT
#100
◆ KT vs eSTRO
(T)Barracks < Moon Glaive > (P)Dear
(P)By.Rage < Outsider SE > (Z)Action
(T)SaiR < Fighting Spirit > (T)Fancy
(Z)Just < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)GosI[Flying]
5th Set: Match Point

◆ hite vs CJ
(P)HakSoo < Match Point > (T)Rush
(T)SungEun < Fighting Spirit > (T)BByong
(P)herb < Outsider SE > (Z)MIsO
(Z)Lake[Shield] < Tornado > (P)Snow
5th Set: Moon Glaive

◆ KT vs hite
(T)Barracks < Moon Glaive > (T)SungEun
(P)By.Rage < Outsider SE > (P)Tazza
(T)SaiR < Fighting Spirit > (Z)Lake[Shield]
(Z)Just < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)HakSoo
5th Set: Match Point

◆ eSTRO vs CJ
(P)GosI[Flying] < Match Point > (P)invade
(Z)45[Name] < Fighting Spirit > (Z)MIsO
(T)Fancy < Outsider SE > (P)Snow
(Z)Action < Tornado > (T)Rush
5th Set: Moon Glaive
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