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RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
October 08 2009 02:16 GMT
#61
On October 08 2009 11:12 pripple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2009 09:22 RainmanMP wrote:
On October 08 2009 09:19 Crunchums wrote:
On October 08 2009 04:36 RainmanMP wrote:
On October 08 2009 02:00 pripple wrote:
oh Rainman we need some loving from you in the form of week1 lineups, if they don't exist just make something up right?


Should be out tonight around 13 KST. Ill be online then and checking like a madman haha.

Thanks


No problem. I think its probably out after 14 though since OGN has some proleague thingy. It may take longer than usual since I don't can't recognize the new maps by their Korean name yet and the first time I will probably see them is on TV. Ill have them posted as soon as possible though!

Excellent work, can't do FPL without you!


Haha thanks glad to hear that.
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-08 04:24:54
October 08 2009 04:22 GMT
#62
Yeah, the lineups should be very useful, considering that it's been several months since some teams have played PL and we have no idea what their in-team rankings are.
KTF, will they still use Violet at all? Are firefist and 815 going to see wider use?
MBC - Is Ameba still playing?
For fox- Go.go? Lucifer? Fox actually seems like they have a fairly deep lineup now. Also, Go.go was still in the wrong team in the tlpd last night, he is on wemade now I believe.
Hite - I really hope that hite stops using justin, he's pretty bad and type-b is good.
Estro- Will flying see more playing time?
Stars - Who will kwanro replace?
Stx - by.hero or july - also, will they keep using hwasin or try and find a replacement? Specifically, have they gone crazy and decided to use Frozean?
SKT1 - will hyuk feature over thezerg?
khan- who is their backup player? Miracle is the only real choice i can see...
hwaesung oz - 4th player?
CJ - Movie or Snow? Also what's going to change
ACE - Will ruby play?
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 08 2009 04:38 GMT
#63
man, this fantasy season is really difficult. i feel obligated to pick up some protoss players but i don't know if i want to :o
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 08 2009 05:01 GMT
#64
On October 08 2009 13:38 OneOther wrote:
man, this fantasy season is really difficult. i feel obligated to pick up some protoss players but i don't know if i want to :o

I would advise the cheap ones - Lucifer, Jangbi and Movie are all decent picks and allow you to get really expensive players and teams. (I would wait and see if Jangbi makes lineup 2x though)
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
October 08 2009 05:06 GMT
#65
On October 08 2009 13:22 Nevuk wrote:
For fox- Go.go? Lucifer? Fox actually seems like they have a fairly deep lineup now. Also, Go.go was still in the wrong team in the tlpd last night, he is on wemade now I believe.

Nope, he's still with hite.
brood war for life, brood war forever
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-08 05:17:00
October 08 2009 05:10 GMT
#66
On October 08 2009 14:06 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2009 13:22 Nevuk wrote:
For fox- Go.go? Lucifer? Fox actually seems like they have a fairly deep lineup now. Also, Go.go was still in the wrong team in the tlpd last night, he is on wemade now I believe.

Nope, he's still with hite.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=100594 ?

edit : it must have been wrong, as he's still on hite.
Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
October 08 2009 06:01 GMT
#67
Changed my team to this, after seeing the Lineups.

Adverse Selection

Main Team
7 (T)fantasy
10 (T)Flash (captain)
1 (T)Iris
2 (P)JangBi
2 (P)Pure
3 (Z)ZerO
5 KTF MagicNs

Fantasy/Flash makes a lot of appearances for SKT/KTF being a Terran, and can win on any given day with any given matchup. Iris is up against Frozean, so that's an easy win to take advantage, easy two points. JangBi is up against Roro, which is a tossup, but I believe JangBi can pull through. Pure because I needed a 2 point filler, and that I believe he can beat M18M, and trade him away next week. Zero is the Zerg that is needed, and he's going to be in the lineup since the pool looks Z-favored already, and I don't see Kwanro being a threat to take Zero's matches away. Kwanro is more likely to take Guemchi/Free matches because of the map pool. KTF because I believe they can do well in the first week, going 3-0 against eSTRO, and 3-1 against Stars, with Stats dropping the game against Zero.

Anti Team
3 (P)Anytime
5 (T)Lomo
5 (T)Really

Anytime does not make an appearance for ACE, he will only appear in the ace match if necessary; I don't believe ACE will get there. Lomo is being dethroned by HiyA with 0 appearances this week; the worst I can get is -2 with the team wins. Really is only playing one match this week, and that is against Flash, so he'll net 0 points.

I really tried to fit Canata in my team, but this gives me a good shot taking the lead in week one.
Venture Capital is better off spent on lottery tickets rather than investing in E-Sports; you'll get a far better return. The difference is simple: Koreans are tryharding at the game, foreigners are tryharding in real-life.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
October 08 2009 15:52 GMT
#68
I may be nuts, but here's my conclusion. After massive researching and crunching numbers, with nothing to go on but old stats and show matches...

...I threw logic out the window and went with players I like. So here's my starting lineup, barring further acts of insane reorganizing:

The Left Hand of Justice

Main Team
3 (Z)Killer (captain) - If he flames out, I won't be able to replace him with someone better anyway. But I think he'll win.
7 (T)Light - My favorite Terran. Also he's good.
5 (P)SangHo - He's quietly been doing pretty well. I'd rather pay only 4, but I'll take it. Also I needed a Protoss.
4 (T)UpMagiC - Surewhynot.
3 (Z)YellOw[ArnC] - His week 1 matches suck (I'm still thinking he wins one), but after that... he's much better off, especially at 3 points.
3 (Z)ZerO - As long as he doesn't go 2-6 again this is gold.
5 KTF MagicNs - I hate the name changes, but the team looks better.

The key here is that I don't believe in Iris, Movie, and Jangbi right now. I don't think Iris will see that much (winning) playing time, Movie still looks inconsistent. I'd take a chance on Jangbi, since he is good, but I have a nasty feeling he'll lose to RorO again. I might redo this to include him, which would let me spend 3 points - maybe to upgrade(?) UpMagic to EffOrt. Actually that sounds promising, I may reconsider if I have time.

Anti Team
4 (T)Justin - Not playing.
5 (T)Lomo - Not playing.
4 (T)Sea - Not playing.

I'm crossing my fingers that they don't all show up next week, but Justin sucks is behind Leta AND go.go right now. A Lomo/Sea dilemma I can deal with.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
October 08 2009 17:57 GMT
#69
On October 08 2009 14:01 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2009 13:38 OneOther wrote:
man, this fantasy season is really difficult. i feel obligated to pick up some protoss players but i don't know if i want to :o

I would advise the cheap ones - Lucifer, Jangbi and Movie are all decent picks and allow you to get really expensive players and teams. (I would wait and see if Jangbi makes lineup 2x though)


Lucifer sucks at the moment and won't get much playing time over pure or Captain Rock!
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 08 2009 17:59 GMT
#70
I really want estro to do well this year, and i love harem's team so much.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
October 08 2009 18:00 GMT
#71
Let's try to keep this thread about discussion and not just posting teams!

That's for the signup thread.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
October 08 2009 18:05 GMT
#72
Not much to discuss at the moment besides teams and lineups hot bid
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-08 18:44:09
October 08 2009 18:40 GMT
#73
edited my team after seeing the lineups...

Best of All Time

Main Team
7 (Z)EffOrt
7 (T)fantasy (captain)
2 (P)JangBi
1 (P)Movie
2 (Z)sAviOr
3 (Z)ZerO
8 SK Telecom T1

Anti Team
3 (T)Bogus
6 (P)GuemChi
4 (T)Justin


Got Telecom instead of CJ because they will have the same # of games remaining after this week and T1 are playing much easier opponents.
Got rid of Yarnc because he's playing Jaedong (lol).
Got Zero, who has two easy opponents this week.
Got Savior, I believe
I felt pretty content with my antiteam, Guemchi is the only one playing this week (and only once, too).

Possibly I might get another Terran instead of Fantasy and change teams, but we'll have to see...
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
October 08 2009 19:27 GMT
#74
On October 09 2009 03:05 RainmanMP wrote:
Not much to discuss at the moment besides teams and lineups hot bid

Yeah, but I cleaned the thread of all posts that were just copy+pasting your team without saying anything more -- nobody really looks at them and they just clutter it up.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 08 2009 19:29 GMT
#75
On October 09 2009 02:57 RainmanMP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2009 14:01 Nevuk wrote:
On October 08 2009 13:38 OneOther wrote:
man, this fantasy season is really difficult. i feel obligated to pick up some protoss players but i don't know if i want to :o

I would advise the cheap ones - Lucifer, Jangbi and Movie are all decent picks and allow you to get really expensive players and teams. (I would wait and see if Jangbi makes lineup 2x though)


Lucifer sucks at the moment and won't get much playing time over pure or Captain Rock!

Yeah, if he was in the lineup at all it might have made some sense. I honestly think Lucifer is probably a stronger player than Pure/Rock , though. (He's definitely stronger than Rock, and seems to have more potential than Pure).
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-08 20:00:52
October 08 2009 19:58 GMT
#76
Gubbinal

Main Team
9 (P)Bisu
8 (Z)Calm
0 (P)DaezanG (captain)
1 (P)Movie
1 (T)RuBy
6 (P)Violet
5 KTF MagicNs

Anti Team
4 (T)Justin
5 (T)Lomo
4 (T)Sea

After seeing the lineups announced, I've decided to go for a team that's somewhat trading oriented- if I don't like the look of any of these players, I will trade them for a similarly priced player. (IE Movie -> Iris, Violet -> Horang2). I made daezang captain as I don't trust the maps for toss well enough to make Bisu captain, and there's the extreme off-chance he might get some playtime. However, he should be worth at least 4 points merely from team wins by the end, making him a decent choice. Calm/Violet are riskier but good trading potential early in the season.

Ruby is more likely to get wins than Iris early in the season, and will definitely get more playing time. KTF is the most undervalued team, on paper, especially with Stats starting to perform well. (Khan is the other one, but that's more of a risk).

I'm planning to acquire Ameba if he shows up twice in the lineup with reasonable chances of winning his games, he isn't worth the two point cost at creation though. Stats is another player I'm keeping an eye on.

There are several other feasible anti-teams, but I enjoy hating terran players. Sea is getting swapped out for anyone the instant he shows up in the lineup again. 815/Anytime/Lomo/Roro were decent alternatives, but 815 is counterproductive due to my team and Roro makes lineup appearances unlike the rest. Lomo, though, is always a great anti-team choice haha.
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
October 08 2009 23:57 GMT
#77
On October 09 2009 04:27 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2009 03:05 RainmanMP wrote:
Not much to discuss at the moment besides teams and lineups hot bid

Yeah, but I cleaned the thread of all posts that were just copy+pasting your team without saying anything more -- nobody really looks at them and they just clutter it up.


Touche
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
October 09 2009 00:32 GMT
#78
lol it was 1/2 the thread, originally like 8 pages and now its 4 pages
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 09 2009 00:50 GMT
#79
On October 09 2009 09:32 Hot_Bid wrote:
lol it was 1/2 the thread, originally like 8 pages and now its 4 pages

If you cleared out the news post one there would be only be about 2, though.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-09 01:00:56
October 09 2009 00:53 GMT
#80
Finally got around to making a team.

Very scientific ("hm, who do I like..." - except upmagic, he's been so flaky recently ).

Rar

Main Team
9 (P)Bisu (captain)
0 (P)DaezanG
4 (T)firebathero
2 (P)JangBi
4 (T)sKyHigh
3 (Z)YellOw[ArnC]
8 SK Telecom T1

Anti Team
6 (P)BackHo
4 (Z)Kwanro
3 (P)SoO


Bisu because... I love Bisu. He's probably gonna lose every game and complain about the maps and I'll end up on tilt
JangBi, because I love Jangbi AND if his TvP gets back into shape, he'll roll terran fools even on T favoured maps.

Firebathero because something about his latest interview makes me think he's gonna step his game up.
Skyhigh because he seems like a solid pick.

Yarnc both because I like him and he's been pretty strong lately.
Daezang because I like him AND because I think at 0 points he's not a bad pick.

SKT... because SKT are strong and I had lots of points left with my picks anyway.

BackHo is... just not that good, and the maps are anti-toss. Kwanro, I just don't believe in. All I see him do is cheese. SoO - no real reason. Needed a 3 pointer and he's toss and not that great at any matchup.

EDIT: I somehow missed the fact that lineups are out already. Serious fail by me. Oh well.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
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