EPTEDIT this isn't really here to inspire discussion btw. I just feel like stating my aggravated opinion.
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HamerD
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EDIT this isn't really here to inspire discussion btw. I just feel like stating my aggravated opinion. | ||
vGl-CoW
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micronesia
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Steelflight-Rx
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On July 03 2008 23:24 micronesia wrote: I agree with Cow. Ron Paul is not as good of a candidate as people on the internet seem to think he is... u mean most of america? | ||
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micronesia
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No? Most of America likes Ron Paul the candidate for president? | ||
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Steelflight-Rx
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MasterOfChaos
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micronesia
United States24770 Posts
On July 03 2008 23:33 Steelflight-Rx wrote: i dont know what u mean by "people on the internet"... everyone uses the internet it doesnt mean they like ron paul. A large part of Ron Paul's following is people who are active on the internet and use the internet as one of their main tools for promoting him. | ||
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
 That said, I agree that a lot of people who support Ron Paul don't understand why they support him. They're hardly a thermometer for the effectiveness of his policies, however. Most people don't support politicians for any justifiable or logical reasons. I think a good reading of Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" would change a lot of minds. Austrian economics changed me from a life-long socialist to a definite liberal (in the classical sense!). Like the old saying goes - If you're not a socialist at 20, you don't have a heart. If you're still a socialist at 30, you don't have a brain. I think a lot of people see Ron Paul, in opposing socialist measures, as being in opposition of the ends of socialism - namely universal prosperity, cooperation, compassion for one's fellow man, etc. I think the revelation comes when one understands the way that libertarianism is not an ethos at odds with those ends, but one which simply acknowledges that the mechanism to achieve those ends is neither within the power of government nor something which can be brought about by mass coercion. I dunno, I've grown tired of debating this elsewhere with people who don't really understand economics or policy very well - it makes it difficult to be clear. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On July 03 2008 23:20 vGl-CoW wrote: im sorry but your wrong k, that's your opinion. I stated mine. You spelling you're wrong doesn't exactly help your insistence that my opinion is incorrect. Ron Paul is the most honest, sensical and logical person one could have chosen from the list of presidential candidates IMO. He clearly has his head screwed on correctly, and is wiser and more perceptive than the other candidates. He just doesn't win the personality contest, because for some reason everyone has lumped him into this position of blabbering imbecile who doesn't know where he is; because they have taken phrases out of context and mistook pressure of people yelling at him for senility. American politics is almost entirely personality and corruption. Ron Paul is unfortunately underequipped on both counts to win the seat in the white house. Seriously, if you just look at what Obama talks, he just says disney catchphrases and tired, obvious and old oratorical devices in all of his speeches. He is better than McCain as a true republican. And, and this is still my opinion, I have to say that I think Ron Paul 'gets' a lot more than most people in the USA do. He is a more philosophical and reasonable president. That was all in my opinion, in case some retard wants to quote me as trying to state fact. Ps. The reason I support Ron Paul is because he has the most scruples and perception. In all honesty, I think economics and national safety will always be advised on by your admistrative staff. What's important, I think, is to present a good face of diplomacy and wisdom to the rest of the world; stability to the American people and to speak with clarity on important subjects. Presidents surely don't just lock themselves away in a room and decide all of the economic policies of a country, do they? | ||
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micronesia
United States24770 Posts
On July 03 2008 23:43 HamerD wrote: That was all in my opinion, in case some retard wants to quote me as trying to state fact. I don't think this is really necessary. If someone disagrees with your opinion, they will quote it and explain what they think is wrong with it. Just because you acknowledge it isn't fact doesn't mean it shouldn't be quoted and torn apart if it doesn't make sense. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On July 03 2008 23:46 micronesia wrote: I don't think this is really necessary. If someone disagrees with your opinion, they will quote it and explain what they think is wrong with it. Just because you acknowledge it isn't fact doesn't mean it shouldn't be quoted and torn apart if it doesn't make sense. Of course it's necessary. I can't count the amount of times people have mistaken my stating my opinion for trying to state fact. It gets too personal too quickly, because people become defensive. If you want to attack my opinion, for the purpose of changing it or changing the opinion of people reading; then go ahead. But when making highly opinionated posts, I like to make sure people realise I am not trying to state fact. | ||
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HamerD
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
Anways, if theres someone you cant discuss with on TL its probably HamerD. I dont know of anyone who gets as rude and hostile in posts so i wont even comment on the (very) common opinion of a lot of european people and people on the internet that Ron Paul is some savior of America. lol | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
And actually, replace 'discuss with' with 'touch'... Delete the words preceding 'you' and replace 'on TL its probably HamerD' with 'young girls' But thanks for getting my username right xD | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 03 2008 23:56 Holylight wrote: why have an opinion if there are facts? Anways, if theres someone you cant discuss with on TL its probably HamerD. I dont know of anyone who gets as rude and hostile in posts so i wont even comment on the (very) common opinion of a lot of european people and people on the internet that Ron Paul is some savior of America. lol Its only "rude" and "hostile" if you somehow manage to ACTUALLY get offended by some text in a box  It's not hard to discuss anything with him...just make sure you have a logical argument with facts to back it up and theres no way he wouldn't be able to recognize and change his mind if he finds your argument to be correct. | ||
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vGl-CoW
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 04 2008 00:03 Mischy wrote: Its only "rude" and "hostile" if you somehow manage to ACTUALLY get offended by some text in a box It's not hard to discuss anything with him...just make sure you have a logical argument with facts to back it up and theres no way he wouldn't be able to recognize and change his mind if he finds your argument to be correct. why wouldnt you be able to get offended by text? internet is not some fantasy place, real people talk about real stuff with each other. But alot of people dont seem to get that I guess nah ive tried before and he ended up calling me alot of shit and making fun of korean culture and whatnot, it was retarded so i just left it alone | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
But anyway, Ron Paul has rinsed ppl in everything i've seen of him on youtube. I can't see how people always say he's some befuddled, confused old gramps. EXPLAAAAAin | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 04 2008 00:12 Holylight wrote: why wouldnt you be able to get offended by text? internet is not some fantasy place, real people talk about real stuff with each other. But alot of people dont seem to get that I guess nah ive tried before and he ended up calling me alot of shit and making fun of korean culture and whatnot, it was retarded so i just left it alone Oh yeah well i'm pretty sure I know him better than you I understand that it is possible to get offended from text..there is such a thing as 'libel'...but this is a gaming forum lol Clearly posted on TL are opinions on things in something that most of the community don't have a degree in. If you take ANYTHING other than "I plan on killing you tonight....with my MASS HYDRAAZZZSSZSZZSZ" seriously then you have issues (and even if you take that comment seriously...you still probably have some issues). The point is, yes its okay to read something and go "wtf...ban please?"...but taking something so close to heart from a person you barely know isn't really the best way to live life. | ||
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