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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 21:44:10
December 20 2010 01:20 GMT
#1
When I was young I remember talking with my brother about what my dream job would be. I've loved video games for a while, and we would follow IGN, always buying the new RPG that came out, and always noting how really the dream job that we could have would be playing video games for a living.
But the dream passed, and reality entered(or so I thought.) I was very debate-origented, so I thought I'd be a lawyer. Then around 8th grade or so I really got into quantum physics and string theory and the such, reading physics books in my free time, and then I wanted to be a physicist.

And then, I still remember the day. We had burnt cd's of SCBW, and my family would just play a couple games every now and then. I eventually got into playing RP's and custom games on SCBW, and I played that for a good year or so.

And then SC2 came out. And for a while, everything was normal. Then one of my friends managed to get a beta key for me. From there, I was addicted.

Let me put that out there, I love Starcraft Two with all my heart and soul. Along with my family, my dogs, and so forth Starcraft II is really the focus of my life right now. I love improving, I love practicing. I managed to get from bronze to where I am now, 2600 diamond zerg. And for the past month or so I've realized I actually have a chance to achieve my dream job: becoming a pro gamer.

But recently I've grown very concerned, especially as of late. If I commit, I know I can make it big, I just...I believe. And I don't just want to be one of those people who just are famous in the scene for a year and then disappear, I want to make it big, Nada style(I will never achieve Boxer fame though I admit, and even Nada fame will be hard to achieve.) But again, recently just questions have been burning in my mind, and I really want to ask the TL communitiy, who I <3 with all my heart.

1.How much should I practice a day if I really want to make it big?
2.Is it possible to support myself entirely off of SC?
3.What would I do after I'm like 40 or something, what do I do then(since if I took a "normal" job career I would still have a job then, or something?)

I'm really struggling in the shadows, I ask for your wisdom to light up my path.

Edits:
On December 21 2010 04:51 Pandain wrote:
Hello there and thank you for all yoru responses so far, it has all been very enlightening and I've been pondering it for a while now. Just to address a couple concerns/what not.
1.I'm not doing it for the money.
I'm doing it because I love the game. I full hardidly realize that this will probably pay less than if I took a "normal" job, but I would accept that if I just find out just how much I can support myself off of starcraft.
2.I have the dedication.
Somewhat going along with #1, I can put in the hours. I can(and have) put in +8 hours during a single day, and if I could play more I gladly would. Right now I'm only "allowed" to be on electronics an hour during a day according to my mom (-.-) but of course have been playing for longer, even considering going down during the night just to play some more(especially if I focus more on school.)

Just to ask some more questions, here are a couple I've now been wondering.
1.Could I support a family off of this?(like nony and white ra, I'm unsure as to their situations)

2.If I really want to go pro, like try to support myself fully off of starcraft, would I join a team? Is that really my only choice nowadays is to get sponsered? Furthormore, should I plan moving to korea? I know this wouldn't happen for a long time, but I'm just trying to get my thoughts on paper now.

3.How many hours should I at least be putting in in starcraft now? Right now I would say I average 2-3 hours playing starcraft and like 4-5 watching streams/day9 or so forth. Some days I average more, such as weekends when I play for like 5 hours or something.


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KasPra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Estonia983 Posts
December 20 2010 01:34 GMT
#2
Sorry, but Nada fame and Boxer flame? That just sounds so wrong and ... uninformed.

If you will start practicing a lot, a lot, and even more you will probably just become one of those well-known best foreign players, if not less.
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
December 20 2010 01:38 GMT
#3
1) Work smarter not harder, don't just play games work on the basics
2) Yes but dont quit your job until you're actually making enough $$ to do so
3) Thats why you dont quit your job
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 01:46:57
December 20 2010 01:38 GMT
#4
Depends on what you call making it big. You will never ever achieve the type of fame NaDa has, so if thats the goal best to give up on it early. If you have skill and a lot of time though, you can win some smaller tournaments and gain some e-fame, maybe stream and have a regular crowd.

Don't go into SC/SC2 for the purpose of making a living on it (especially for a long period of time) because thats much easier said than done. For every person that puts in the hours and makes enough in a year to live off of, there are hundreds (if not more) that fail. In the long run, progaming is not really something you could keep doing till you're 40 anyway (Boxer-fame aside).

Play the game for the sake of playing, enjoy it, maybe win some tourneys, get some fans. Beyond that don't go too crazy with the expectations.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
-HellZerg-
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States409 Posts
December 20 2010 01:39 GMT
#5
Keep participating in big SC2 tournaments and get your name out there. What are you waiting for? Getting high points in 1v1 laddering alone will get you nowhere.
We are what we repeatedly do; excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Aristotle
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9498 Posts
December 20 2010 01:41 GMT
#6
You have a serious case of "daydreaming". You should have that checked out.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 20 2010 01:43 GMT
#7
I'm looking forward to watching you win some tournaments. Go for it!
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
December 20 2010 01:44 GMT
#8
On December 20 2010 10:41 2Pacalypse- wrote:
You have a serious case of "daydreaming". You should have that checked out.


I agree, it's a great dream but don't give up on your day job. Be a physicist, in the long run im pretty sure that wud be a lot more rewarding anyways.
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
astroorion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1022 Posts
December 20 2010 01:52 GMT
#9
1. Most pros practice for about 10 hours a day, but it's up to personal choice and if you are on a team, their schedule for practicing.
2. It is possible but you would have to be good and have a way to pay to enter tournaments
3. BoxeR is in his 30's and still playing. Age won't affect you unless it slows your mind, or your reflexes, and then you wouldn't be able to play.
MLG Admin | Astro.631 NA
wwJd)El_Mojjo
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 01:56:33
December 20 2010 01:55 GMT
#10
You can find some info from the comments in this blog I think:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=164577

But to be honest, from what you wrote it sounds like you just love gaming. That's not necessarily the same as loving the life as a progamer. I don't believe just high goals will take you anywhere. I think you need to enjoy the lifestyle to be able to make it as a progamer. Try to game with a more professional approach to your sc2 training for a few days when you have a week off from school/work and see how it feels (if you haven't done it already). Just don't do it when the time is not right, don't let the gaming steal focus away from school/work...
Gc.El_Mojjo
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
December 20 2010 01:57 GMT
#11
There's always the risk of not being successful. You should also concentrate on your studies for a more stable job just in case!
[ReD]NaDa and fnaticMSI.SEn fighting~! ::POlar @ UC Irvine::
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 02:23:40
December 20 2010 02:22 GMT
#12
I believe IdrA was majoring in theoretical physics before he went progamer?

But yeah, I would stick with the non-progaming job... unless you plan to go pro after youve earned a degree in something. Maybe you can work for a gaming company as... I dunno...
:)
muse5187
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
1125 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 03:13:39
December 20 2010 03:13 GMT
#13
1. 12+ Hours
2. 0.00000000001% chance
3. You can be a garbage man.

Long story short, goto school and play video games as a hobby.
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
December 20 2010 03:25 GMT
#14
Do you really think you want to game 8 hrs/day as a career? How much have you really been playing (I would guess that 2600 diamond can be reached on a couple hours a day)?

Physics is rad, you should go for it. But choose a reputable subfield, not string theory.

I kid, I kid...

But really, string theorists are the butts of many jokes in grad school.
It's kinda hard to find funding .
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 20 2010 03:29 GMT
#15
the most important aspect is to remain realistic and have a plan b and c

always have a fallback if your sc2 career does not progress the way you intended, so whatever you do, do NOT cease your education or current employment, that would possibly be the worst choice.

good luck sir.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
December 20 2010 03:32 GMT
#16
dont bother trying. I expect the sc2 scene wont last much more than a year or maybe 18 months from here

User was warned for this post
Just listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lCZeePG48
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
December 20 2010 03:32 GMT
#17
lol
reG.neaZ
Profile Joined July 2010
Mexico38 Posts
December 20 2010 03:34 GMT
#18
are you trolling? o.O(if not, LOL)
Visualize the win, and you will succeed.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
December 20 2010 03:42 GMT
#19
On December 20 2010 12:32 etheovermind wrote:
dont bother trying. I expect the sc2 scene wont last much more than a year or maybe 18 months from here


You have no idea what you're talking about.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
December 20 2010 03:54 GMT
#20
What the fadoodle is up with everyone...

Pandain, you have to just ask yourself some really hard questions. Unfortunately I don't have the expertise to speak to you about progaming, but if you ever want to chat about physics, let me know! =)

Anyway, here are some questions that come to mind:
1) Suppose that you enter into a life of training for SCII, how will you support yourself? Where will the money for food, rent, clothes, utilities, internet, etc come from?
2) Let's say that you have that covered. Do you have the drive and discipline to devote yourself to learning the game? Learning SCII is not only about playing a lot of games without analysis. You will be required to test your ideas/timings relentlessly to understand the strengths/weaknesses of your strategies.
3) Also, the support of the people in your life is important. You can do it alone but sometimes it's nice to know that your friends and family are there for you.

=) I'll support your decision to try to attain your dream. It'll be really tough though. Also, keep in mind that you're leaving Liquidia in the hands of the Mafia... Feel free to drop by every now and then and leave us a "lol" post or a "5/5" post, a la Flamewheel. =)
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