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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On August 03 2009 04:22 motbob wrote: This won't be possible again against SKT. There's no way you can say this won't be possible. It wasn't supposed to be possible against CJ and yet it happened. I'm greatly looking forward to an exciting series and I'm hoping it goes to super ace. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On August 03 2009 06:27 QuickStriker wrote: I love how you're trying to argue and completely miss the whole point of my statements as well as the others here... I was in no way trying to argue, I was simply stating the truth you guys say this as though it's impossible to read the blogs on the side even subconsciously because even if you have the small vod thread bookmarked you still have to scroll down past all the threads on the way to your vod you want and I know for my friend's computer you can see all the way to sports & games from the moment you load the main page. | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On August 03 2009 06:27 QuickStriker wrote: I love how you're trying to argue and completely miss the whole point of my statements as well as the others here... It's not so much that people miss your point, it's just that your point is totally, completely wrong. How hard is it not to put spoilers in thread titles for a few days? Even the OP realized he fucked up and got it fixed. It's incredible that you have the audacity to break the site rules/defend people who do and then get mad at people for explaining why that rule exists. | ||
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Incognitodies
United Kingdom184 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
OZ : jaedong , Hiya , Backho , Lomo , Perfectman , ggameo SKT: Fantasy , Bisu , Canata , BeST , Thezerg , Hyuk 4 SKT players have beaten Jaedong convincingly (BeST , Fantasy , Bisu , Fantasy) ; And Jaedong is only the favorite over 2 of them and one by a small margin. Besides Jaedong, Oz's lineup looks flimsy. Backho sucks at everything besides PvP (but we could see some epic facepalm if he runs suicides shuttles again) ; Hiya sucks on everything but Collo ; Lomo blows, Perfectman is still new, ggameo sucks.. Look at SKT , Fantasy is vs P / T god ; Bisu is GOD ; Canata made ro8 in BOTH leagues ; BeST sucks PvZ but kicks ass in everything else, and Thezerg has the potential to snipe | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
But on Day 1 we saw CJ falter and lose 1-4 against brilliant strategies, which came from OZ's coach, and fantastic execution, which came from Hwaseung's huge block of practice time. This won't be possible again against SKT. The place where your logic fails is this: OZ didn't have a "huge block of practice time." Not to specifically prepare builds against CJ. They had exactly one week to prepare for CJ, because until CJ vs. Khan ended, they didn't know that they'd be playing CJ. And until the match lineups came out, they didn't know who would be playing whom. While I don't doubt that OZ's team was specifically prepared for each match, it wasn't because they had lots of time between the first playoff game and the end of the season. It was because they were well-trained. Look at SKT , Fantasy is vs P / T god ; Bisu is GOD ; Canata made ro8 in BOTH leagues ; BeST sucks PvZ but kicks ass in everything else Best ain't what he used to be. Now, he might have regained his form, but he was sucking really bad during the latter stages of the Proleague. As for Fantasy, OZ doesn't have many good Protoss's to begin with, so no big loss. The key to winning the Proleague is understanding this: you don't have to have the best record. You just have to win that game on that one day. All OZ needs is 2 wins + Jaedong on one day, then the Super ACE on the last day. Two prepared builds aimed at people who aren't Bisu and Fantasy (Canata isn't all that). Two players who can execute a single build on a single day to take out a single person. It'll certainly be tough. It all really comes down to the pairings. If OZ gets lucky and Jaedong gets a day where he gets paired with Bisu or Fantasy (and wins), then that's OZ day. That's the day they'll be practicing for. | ||
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Hiphopapotamus
United States121 Posts
On August 03 2009 08:20 NicolBolas wrote: The place where your logic fails is this: OZ didn't have a "huge block of practice time." Not to specifically prepare builds against CJ. They had exactly one week to prepare for CJ, because until CJ vs. Khan ended, they didn't know that they'd be playing CJ. And until the match lineups came out, they didn't know who would be playing whom. While I don't doubt that OZ's team was specifically prepared for each match, it wasn't because they had lots of time between the first playoff game and the end of the season. It was because they were well-trained. Best ain't what he used to be. Now, he might have regained his form, but he was sucking really bad during the latter stages of the Proleague. As for Fantasy, OZ doesn't have many good Protoss's to begin with, so no big loss. The key to winning the Proleague is understanding this: you don't have to have the best record. You just have to win that game on that one day. All OZ needs is 2 wins + Jaedong on one day, then the Super ACE on the last day. Two prepared builds aimed at people who aren't Bisu and Fantasy (Canata isn't all that). Two players who can execute a single build on a single day to take out a single person. It'll certainly be tough. It all really comes down to the pairings. If OZ gets lucky and Jaedong gets a day where he gets paired with Bisu or Fantasy (and wins), then that's OZ day. That's the day they'll be practicing for. While I agree with most of what you said, I think you rated Jaedong a bit too highly over SKT players. I think Bisu, Fantasy, and Canata could all give Jaedong a big challenge. Unlike other teams, SKT has players that have been consistently at Jaedong's level. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
I think Bisu, Fantasy, and Canata could all give Jaedong a big challenge. Unlike other teams, SKT has players that have been consistently at Jaedong's level. True. Well, except for Canata; Jaedong was able to take him down while only practicing in his spare time. However, the only scenarios that allow for an OZ victory involve Jaedong winning. So hypothesizing the opposite is conceding the point. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On August 03 2009 08:20 NicolBolas wrote: The place where your logic fails is this: OZ didn't have a "huge block of practice time." Not to specifically prepare builds against CJ. They had exactly one week to prepare for CJ, because until CJ vs. Khan ended, they didn't know that they'd be playing CJ. And until the match lineups came out, they didn't know who would be playing whom. While I don't doubt that OZ's team was specifically prepared for each match, it wasn't because they had lots of time between the first playoff game and the end of the season. It was because they were well-trained. Best ain't what he used to be. Now, he might have regained his form, but he was sucking really bad during the latter stages of the Proleague. As for Fantasy, OZ doesn't have many good Protoss's to begin with, so no big loss. The key to winning the Proleague is understanding this: you don't have to have the best record. You just have to win that game on that one day. All OZ needs is 2 wins + Jaedong on one day, then the Super ACE on the last day. Two prepared builds aimed at people who aren't Bisu and Fantasy (Canata isn't all that). Two players who can execute a single build on a single day to take out a single person. It'll certainly be tough. It all really comes down to the pairings. If OZ gets lucky and Jaedong gets a day where he gets paired with Bisu or Fantasy (and wins), then that's OZ day. That's the day they'll be practicing for. Why would they not start practicing until the week they find out who they're facing? They had so much down time that they can spend preparing for all the likely possibilities and then the last week spend it focusing directly on that one team. As for your statement about Oz needing only 2 wins and jaedong so that they can play the aces with jaedong you're wrong, Fantasy and Bisu are both on the same level as jaedong so jaedong will likely have to win 3 tossup matches for their team to advance. | ||
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
On August 03 2009 04:25 GhostKorean wrote: Jaedong's putting priority in Proleague over a golden mouse? I thought he'd be practicing for his match in OSL hmm check out his post PL interview - it says that he has been using the whole of his team practice time to prepare for proleague, and cutting into his sleep and personal time to prepare for individual leagues. On August 03 2009 09:37 d(O.o)a wrote: As for your statement about Oz needing only 2 wins and jaedong so that they can play the aces with jaedong you're wrong, Fantasy and Bisu are both on the same level as jaedong so jaedong will likely have to win 3 tossup matches for their team to advance. I still like these chances better than counting on lomo to beat a non-zerg SKT, or a backho PvT (wraiths, anyone?). Or young winning a game. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On August 03 2009 07:00 Incognitodies wrote: I don't find spoilers to be that big a deal myself but I do find this discussion amusing when the first thing I saw when I opened up tl this morning was 'Wonderful Wizard' and knew with 99% certainty that Oz had won... It could have been effort. For those who didn't see the night's matches, it could have came down to an ace match where Effort won again or something. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On August 03 2009 11:14 ghostWriter wrote: It could have been effort. For those who didn't see the night's matches, it could have came down to an ace match where Effort won again or something. Well, no, with that title it really couldn't have been Effort. Preeetty sure the title is a reference to the book/movie Wizard of Oz ("We're off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of Oz...") so at least for Americans the title was kind of a giveaway. I think? | ||
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