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On July 09 2009 04:57 Caller wrote:
this is why i support a libertarian monarchy
Fact: a monarch has one ruler. Democracy has "the people," meaning everyone rules or there are lots of "rulers."
Fact: a minority of people are not stupid.
Therefore: under monarchy, you have at least have a small chance of being ruled by intelligent people. Under democracy, you have no chance of being ruled by intelligent people.
There are certainly good arguments as to why monarchies are better protectors of liberties than democracies, but this is not really one of them. Also, wtf is a 'libertarian monarchy'? Libertarians are against the use of coercion, and any form of government requires coercion to exist. Therefore I find it sort of weird to call a monarchy libertarian. I guess you mean that the ruler has libertarian leanings? In which case why do they maintain the monarchy?
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On July 09 2009 07:17 tec27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2009 04:57 Caller wrote:
this is why i support a libertarian monarchy
Fact: a monarch has one ruler. Democracy has "the people," meaning everyone rules or there are lots of "rulers."
Fact: a minority of people are not stupid.
Therefore: under monarchy, you have at least have a small chance of being ruled by intelligent people. Under democracy, you have no chance of being ruled by intelligent people. There are certainly good arguments as to why monarchies are better protectors of liberties than democracies, but this is not really one of them. Also, wtf is a 'libertarian monarchy'? Libertarians are against the use of coercion, and any form of government requires coercion to exist. Therefore I find it sort of weird to call a monarchy libertarian. I guess you mean that the ruler has libertarian leanings? In which case why do they maintain the monarchy?
first of all not seriousness at all is serious
second of all, a monarchical libertarianism would be essentially that all government powers are under one ruler, but the ruler is restricted by law to do pretty much everything. so picture america, minus congress and the supreme court, and minus anything that begins with the words "department of."
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Truth is stranger than theory;
what Americans call Libertarian is more or less the intellectual inheritance of the Austrian economics.
Mises was a friend to Otto Habsburg, who in turn is wont to depict the late Austrian Empire as a more or less libertarian society.
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On July 09 2009 07:26 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Truth is stranger than theory;
what Americans call Libertarian is more or less the intellectual inheritance of the Austrian economics.
Mises was a friend to Otto Habsburg, who in turn is wont to depict the late Austrian Empire as a more or less libertarian society.
I find that Libertarianism finds its roots embedded within Objectivism. It's hard to underscore the importance Ayn Rand played on modern day libertarianism. Laissez-Faire and the workings of Mises plays both an integral role in the LP and Conservative constituencies. So, to say that LP is the only philosophy that cherishes the importance of free-market capitalism is a falsehood. Secondly, while economics plays a key role in any philosophy, Libertarianism also has a specific philosophy in regards to the role of government.
In fact, the two founders of the LP were Goldwater/Taft conservatives. If only conservatives and libertarians would either, re-take the GOP, or defect to the libertarian party that would be a great day. I'm quite sick of all the RINO's the likes of Collins, Snowe, Powell, Graham, McCain, Martinez, etc.
I find myself one of the traditional conservatives like a Taft while also sharing many ideals with Ayn Rand and Libertarianism.
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On July 09 2009 06:19 IntoTheWow wrote:
successful troll
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On July 09 2009 04:16 Aegraen wrote:
Wake up people! If you don't act now, and soon the situation will become so much more dire (Which is hard to imagine). For a budget trillions in deficit (They have all ready doubled the deficit they inherited in 6 months! Can only imagine how much higher it will go if the Healthcare fiasco ever gets passed), how do you expect to keep spending like this and not ending up like the Weimar Republic or Zimbabwe?
I'm curious as to this point; last I checked the external debt now is about a trillion lower than it was in 2007. Not that the nation's debt isn't high, but what source are you using?
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Deficit =/= debt.
Deficit is how fast your debt is increasing. Debt is how much you owe.
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On July 09 2009 08:40 G0dly wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2009 04:16 Aegraen wrote:
Wake up people! If you don't act now, and soon the situation will become so much more dire (Which is hard to imagine). For a budget trillions in deficit (They have all ready doubled the deficit they inherited in 6 months! Can only imagine how much higher it will go if the Healthcare fiasco ever gets passed), how do you expect to keep spending like this and not ending up like the Weimar Republic or Zimbabwe?
I'm curious as to this point; last I checked the external debt now is about a trillion lower than it was in 2007. Not that the nation's debt isn't high, but what source are you using?
Read the latest CBO projections and reports. By 2018 we are expected to have a 13.5 trillion deficit (The budget approved by the 111th Congress). Obama, coming into office had a 5.5 trillion deficit.
It took the US over 220 years to reach 5.5 Trillion, in 10 years he is going to derail this nation. Just this year we have a 1.8-2.0 Trillion deficit nearly half of what the nation accumulated in its entire existence. We aren't even done with FY09 and the democrats are talking about a second stimulus and socialized healthcare which is reported to be another 2$ trillion a YEAR. Good lord, can you be any more reckless?
Here is an easy to see CBO budget graph.
I was against the reckless spending the previous administration and all prior. On top of this we have monetized our debt (I urge you to do a little research about this topic), which was the death stroke for this country. No country on the face of this planet has ever overcame doing this. It has meant certain destruction every single time. In lamens terms we are essentially printing our own bonds to pay our own debt. In the end this makes our currency worth zero. The whole destabilization of the economy is all but guaranteed.
We need to end the FED and the IRS.
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sorry what exactly is so bad about these regulations, the mandatory inspections by qualified professionals can hardly hurt can they?. it isnt like the F.B.I. is going to interrogate you about your heating system....
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I love the over-dramatic bleeding hearts that rise in any political climate.
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