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[SPOILER] Bisu vs Jangbi MSL - Page 2

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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
June 12 2009 15:26 GMT
#21
The game reminded me of Bisu short after his transfer to T1. Easily his worst game in 6 months time- maybe even more.
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
June 12 2009 15:27 GMT
#22
Yeah I'm not really sure who these mysterious youtube comment people are

people that like starcraft enough to watch it on youtube but have no idea what they're talking about but think they do
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 12 2009 20:50 GMT
#23
"To all the FLAMERS:

1. Calm Down
2. Stop contradicting yourselves
You can't claim that after his first failed attack the game was over and then say that the only thing he could do was make DTs to try and win. He made DTs too late to catch Jangbi (or any decent protoss) offguard.

3. I didn't say Bisu should have had observers. I said that Bisu should have assumed that Jangbi had observers. Unless he KNEW Jangbi didn't he should have assumed he did as progamers are often aware of DT cheese.
4. To say Bisu couldn't have expanded after the first attack is COMPLETE FAILURE on your part. If your argument is that he lost with the failure of the first attack and the game was over then, why would attempting to expand be criticized? bisu had nothing to lose by attempting to expanding. The map was large enough to possibly give time to slowdown an attack. Also Jangbi wasn't being aggressive. Stall your opponent and try to expand.  it has been done before and it can be done again."

"going dt in case jangbi wouldn't ahve observers is poor strategy against a gamer of jangbi's caliber. Jangbi hasn't been playing the best recently but he is still a high caliber protoss. You can catch up economically if you make well thought out attacks and/or your opponent makes future mistakes."

"the point is this. Bisu should have attempted another strat after the first failed attack. It was obvious that he was too far behind then. But he KEPT TRICKLING DOWN GOONS AND MADE DTS! Bisu kept TRYING to attack for 4 minutes after the first failed attack. That was insanity. He should have tried something else. He had nothing to lose. To say he couldn't have attempted to expand within 4 min after a failed attack is preposterous. Jangbi didn't rush his base."

"Hmm I don't get it. I comment on a horrible game played by Bisu and get flamed by those saying I don't understand his strat? A strat that failed because of several reasons listed by those doing the flaming? Where I'm from using a strat in any game that is countered because of different reasons that are not all related to the actions of the opponent and thereby losing because of said strat is called playing horribly. Bisu is my fave player to watch but if he fails, he fails."

"I disagree because their builds were actually quite similar. The loser just went 4 gates sooner.

SC would be so boring if there was no turning back. You can always adapt, the choice is up to you. "

"I'd be more inclined to agree with u if this were a zerg mirror. Build order can advantage a player but nonzerg mirrors offer more of a chance to adapt. especially considering bisu's poor micro in the first fight (allowing probes to attack goons and not moving them). when he sent in dts instead of expanding that was a poor decision imo. a decent toss player w/ 2 bases would have observers by then.

that is why it seemed as if he underestimated jangbi. "

The worst part is...all but the second to last comment are by the same guy.

I couldn't help myself and tried to argue with him...he's a stubborn fucker, and I'm a masochist.
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vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
June 12 2009 21:34 GMT
#24
On June 13 2009 05:50 PH wrote:
Wall of text:
+ Show Spoiler +
"To all the FLAMERS:

1. Calm Down
2. Stop contradicting yourselves
You can't claim that after his first failed attack the game was over and then say that the only thing he could do was make DTs to try and win. He made DTs too late to catch Jangbi (or any decent protoss) offguard.

3. I didn't say Bisu should have had observers. I said that Bisu should have assumed that Jangbi had observers. Unless he KNEW Jangbi didn't he should have assumed he did as progamers are often aware of DT cheese.
4. To say Bisu couldn't have expanded after the first attack is COMPLETE FAILURE on your part. If your argument is that he lost with the failure of the first attack and the game was over then, why would attempting to expand be criticized? bisu had nothing to lose by attempting to expanding. The map was large enough to possibly give time to slowdown an attack. Also Jangbi wasn't being aggressive. Stall your opponent and try to expand.  it has been done before and it can be done again."

"going dt in case jangbi wouldn't ahve observers is poor strategy against a gamer of jangbi's caliber. Jangbi hasn't been playing the best recently but he is still a high caliber protoss. You can catch up economically if you make well thought out attacks and/or your opponent makes future mistakes."

"the point is this. Bisu should have attempted another strat after the first failed attack. It was obvious that he was too far behind then. But he KEPT TRICKLING DOWN GOONS AND MADE DTS! Bisu kept TRYING to attack for 4 minutes after the first failed attack. That was insanity. He should have tried something else. He had nothing to lose. To say he couldn't have attempted to expand within 4 min after a failed attack is preposterous. Jangbi didn't rush his base."

"Hmm I don't get it. I comment on a horrible game played by Bisu and get flamed by those saying I don't understand his strat? A strat that failed because of several reasons listed by those doing the flaming? Where I'm from using a strat in any game that is countered because of different reasons that are not all related to the actions of the opponent and thereby losing because of said strat is called playing horribly. Bisu is my fave player to watch but if he fails, he fails."

"I disagree because their builds were actually quite similar. The loser just went 4 gates sooner.

SC would be so boring if there was no turning back. You can always adapt, the choice is up to you. "

"I'd be more inclined to agree with u if this were a zerg mirror. Build order can advantage a player but nonzerg mirrors offer more of a chance to adapt. especially considering bisu's poor micro in the first fight (allowing probes to attack goons and not moving them). when he sent in dts instead of expanding that was a poor decision imo. a decent toss player w/ 2 bases would have observers by then.

that is why it seemed as if he underestimated jangbi. "

The worst part is...all but the second to last comment are by the same guy.

I couldn't help myself and tried to argue with him...he's a stubborn fucker, and I'm a masochist.

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What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 12 2009 22:01 GMT
#25
I said I was being masochistic.

Allow me my moment of irrationality.
Hello
ZeeTemplar
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States557 Posts
June 12 2009 23:27 GMT
#26
Bisus all in build just baffled me. Was he not confident in his play? Did he practice enough for the MSL? I am saddened by bisus lost, but his failed micro and weak choice of build order cost him the game I feel.

Kal fighting >.>
Jangbi storms!!!
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
June 13 2009 21:29 GMT
#27
That was some of the shittiest playing I've ever seen. Bisu had bad micro, bad timing, and bad strat. Jangbi just raped him.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
June 13 2009 23:22 GMT
#28
we have an expression "making a storm in a glass of water"

lol fits here
http://www.kongregate.com/?referrer=Sagess
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