• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 20:52
CET 02:52
KST 10:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1123 users

[SPOILER] Bisu vs Jangbi MSL

Blogs > PH
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 12 2009 05:14 GMT
#1


Read the comments...I can't believe how fucking stupid people are. Once Bisu's first attack failed, all the Bisu fanboys were wondering why he didn't just expo to try and come back...

One guy was even like, "the only difference is that Jangbi got his 4 gates later than Bisu!"...OMFG THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT JANGBI GOT THEM AFTER HIS EXPANSION...yeah...not a huge difference AT ALL.

Beyond that, the observer made it PAINFULLY obvious that Bisu was cutting probes...he flipped to Bisu's nexus and waved his cursor around like three times to bring that up. You don't need to understand the commentators to be able to see that.

So yeah, Bisu definitely should've expo'd with his like...half the number of probes jangbi had.

Oh my god...I don't care if you don't know the game well enough to pick up on those things, but for fuck's sake, don't be so outspoken about them if you don't.

***
Hello
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
June 12 2009 05:17 GMT
#2
The question isn't why Bisu lost but why Bisu chose to do an all-in build order. From what I believe, he had plenty of time to prepare for a PvP since he was practicing PvP for proleague game against Khan. And Bisu has beaten Jangbi before, I am surprised he decided to play like that, he should have macro'ed played defensively.
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
June 12 2009 05:20 GMT
#3
If you value your sanity, don't ever read Youtube comments. It's the cesspool of the internet. Worse than Twitter, worse than TL, worse than fucking 4chan. Like, fuck.
TranslatorBaa!
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
June 12 2009 05:20 GMT
#4
Bisu...
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 12 2009 05:24 GMT
#5
On June 12 2009 14:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
If you value your sanity, don't ever read Youtube comments. It's the cesspool of the internet. Worse than Twitter, worse than TL, worse than fucking 4chan. Like, fuck.


No kidding.

It's just filled with people that have absolutely zero clue what they are talking about. 4chan... while nearly as bad also has some really BRILLIANT people that browse the boards. Coincidentally they stick out like a sore thumb...
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
June 12 2009 05:25 GMT
#6
It's just funny that some people don't understand that if you fail with 4gate you're pretty much fucked.

That was one of the worst games I've seen Bisu play in a long while though. His attack was absolutely terrible; that one pylon way up in front of Jangbi's choke screwed Bisu so so so bad.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 12 2009 05:29 GMT
#7
Bisu probably thought he could trick Jangbi by not playing standard (as Jangbi should rightfully assume). Except Jangbi read Bisu like a book...

I mean, at their levels, mind game matter more than the skill difference... I don't blame bisu.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 12 2009 05:30 GMT
#8
The map screwed him hard...the choke into the nat is not only thin but really long too. The pylon definitely didn't help either...then the probes...oh god the probes.

It could have possibly worked if Jangbi would have gone reaver first...DT he would have been even more fucked, I think.
Hello
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 12 2009 05:33 GMT
#9
PvP is rock-paper-scissors
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
June 12 2009 05:45 GMT
#10
You must hate yourself if you're reading youtube comments. :<
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
June 12 2009 07:09 GMT
#11
And this is why group B was really the group of death..

It's all PvP... lose one game and you're out. Talk about volatility...
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 12 2009 07:11 GMT
#12
There is still a losers bracket to be played to determine the second person to advance, you have to lose two games
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Balfazar
Profile Joined November 2008
Australia483 Posts
June 12 2009 07:12 GMT
#13
Bisu went four gate because he wanted an easy win after barely getting out in PL.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 12 2009 07:23 GMT
#14
lol
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
June 12 2009 08:03 GMT
#15
On June 12 2009 14:24 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2009 14:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
If you value your sanity, don't ever read Youtube comments. It's the cesspool of the internet. Worse than Twitter, worse than TL, worse than fucking 4chan. Like, fuck.


No kidding.

It's just filled with people that have absolutely zero clue what they are talking about. 4chan... while nearly as bad also has some really BRILLIANT people that browse the boards. Coincidentally they stick out like a sore thumb...


Maybe this is right.. I got into debate too many times on youtube over different topics So much wasted energy.
And all is illuminated.
rkarhu
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Finland570 Posts
June 12 2009 08:04 GMT
#16
On June 12 2009 16:12 Balfazar wrote:
Bisu went four gate because he wanted an easy win after barely getting out in PL.


Word.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 12 2009 08:21 GMT
#17
On June 12 2009 17:03 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2009 14:24 Jayme wrote:
On June 12 2009 14:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
If you value your sanity, don't ever read Youtube comments. It's the cesspool of the internet. Worse than Twitter, worse than TL, worse than fucking 4chan. Like, fuck.


No kidding.

It's just filled with people that have absolutely zero clue what they are talking about. 4chan... while nearly as bad also has some really BRILLIANT people that browse the boards. Coincidentally they stick out like a sore thumb...


Maybe this is right.. I got into debate too many times on youtube over different topics So much wasted energy.

I just can't restrain myself, though...

Just like the Jaedong vs Bisu thing with the canceled spire...

Though I was surprised about that...somehow there were people even on TL that didn't know there was such thing as a 3 hat spire/den into 5 hat hydra/delayed muta BO that's STANDARD for ZvP...
Hello
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
June 12 2009 08:27 GMT
#18
Even though some people on YouTube are such HUGE idiots, I can't help but find your OP to be over-the-top.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
June 12 2009 09:02 GMT
#19
Dude you are reading YT's comments, wtf is wrong with you.You will just gradually lose faith in humanity./ignore them
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
BWdero
Profile Joined February 2008
Netherlands476 Posts
June 12 2009 14:36 GMT
#20
I've just taken to hiding youtube comments. I seriously don't need to read the crap on there. Youtube comments is the dumbest place on the entire internet.
Stars fighting! Member #43 of Violet fan cafe. Fuck Kespa.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
23:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #17
ReBellioN vs HiGhDrA
Shameless vs Demi
LetaleX vs Mute
Percival vs TBD
Liquipedia
BSL 21
20:00
ProLeague - RO32 Group B
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
ZZZero.O97
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech123
Ketroc 51
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 772
UpATreeSC 131
ZZZero.O 97
NaDa 23
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1442
Other Games
summit1g10848
Grubby2549
fl0m621
Maynarde140
ViBE22
JuggernautJason16
Models1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1188
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 86
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21605
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2902
Other Games
• Scarra861
Upcoming Events
OSC
7h 9m
Wardi Open
10h 9m
Wardi Open
14h 9m
Replay Cast
21h 9m
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 10h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.