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[SPOILER] Bisu vs Jangbi MSL

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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 12 2009 05:14 GMT
#1


Read the comments...I can't believe how fucking stupid people are. Once Bisu's first attack failed, all the Bisu fanboys were wondering why he didn't just expo to try and come back...

One guy was even like, "the only difference is that Jangbi got his 4 gates later than Bisu!"...OMFG THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT JANGBI GOT THEM AFTER HIS EXPANSION...yeah...not a huge difference AT ALL.

Beyond that, the observer made it PAINFULLY obvious that Bisu was cutting probes...he flipped to Bisu's nexus and waved his cursor around like three times to bring that up. You don't need to understand the commentators to be able to see that.

So yeah, Bisu definitely should've expo'd with his like...half the number of probes jangbi had.

Oh my god...I don't care if you don't know the game well enough to pick up on those things, but for fuck's sake, don't be so outspoken about them if you don't.

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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
June 12 2009 05:17 GMT
#2
The question isn't why Bisu lost but why Bisu chose to do an all-in build order. From what I believe, he had plenty of time to prepare for a PvP since he was practicing PvP for proleague game against Khan. And Bisu has beaten Jangbi before, I am surprised he decided to play like that, he should have macro'ed played defensively.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
June 12 2009 05:20 GMT
#3
If you value your sanity, don't ever read Youtube comments. It's the cesspool of the internet. Worse than Twitter, worse than TL, worse than fucking 4chan. Like, fuck.
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deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
June 12 2009 05:20 GMT
#4
Bisu...
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 12 2009 05:24 GMT
#5
On June 12 2009 14:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
If you value your sanity, don't ever read Youtube comments. It's the cesspool of the internet. Worse than Twitter, worse than TL, worse than fucking 4chan. Like, fuck.


No kidding.

It's just filled with people that have absolutely zero clue what they are talking about. 4chan... while nearly as bad also has some really BRILLIANT people that browse the boards. Coincidentally they stick out like a sore thumb...
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
June 12 2009 05:25 GMT
#6
It's just funny that some people don't understand that if you fail with 4gate you're pretty much fucked.

That was one of the worst games I've seen Bisu play in a long while though. His attack was absolutely terrible; that one pylon way up in front of Jangbi's choke screwed Bisu so so so bad.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 12 2009 05:29 GMT
#7
Bisu probably thought he could trick Jangbi by not playing standard (as Jangbi should rightfully assume). Except Jangbi read Bisu like a book...

I mean, at their levels, mind game matter more than the skill difference... I don't blame bisu.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 12 2009 05:30 GMT
#8
The map screwed him hard...the choke into the nat is not only thin but really long too. The pylon definitely didn't help either...then the probes...oh god the probes.

It could have possibly worked if Jangbi would have gone reaver first...DT he would have been even more fucked, I think.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 12 2009 05:33 GMT
#9
PvP is rock-paper-scissors
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
June 12 2009 05:45 GMT
#10
You must hate yourself if you're reading youtube comments. :<
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Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3823 Posts
June 12 2009 07:09 GMT
#11
And this is why group B was really the group of death..

It's all PvP... lose one game and you're out. Talk about volatility...
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 12 2009 07:11 GMT
#12
There is still a losers bracket to be played to determine the second person to advance, you have to lose two games
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Balfazar
Profile Joined November 2008
Australia483 Posts
June 12 2009 07:12 GMT
#13
Bisu went four gate because he wanted an easy win after barely getting out in PL.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 12 2009 07:23 GMT
#14
lol
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
June 12 2009 08:03 GMT
#15
On June 12 2009 14:24 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2009 14:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
If you value your sanity, don't ever read Youtube comments. It's the cesspool of the internet. Worse than Twitter, worse than TL, worse than fucking 4chan. Like, fuck.


No kidding.

It's just filled with people that have absolutely zero clue what they are talking about. 4chan... while nearly as bad also has some really BRILLIANT people that browse the boards. Coincidentally they stick out like a sore thumb...


Maybe this is right.. I got into debate too many times on youtube over different topics So much wasted energy.
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rkarhu
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Finland570 Posts
June 12 2009 08:04 GMT
#16
On June 12 2009 16:12 Balfazar wrote:
Bisu went four gate because he wanted an easy win after barely getting out in PL.


Word.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 12 2009 08:21 GMT
#17
On June 12 2009 17:03 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2009 14:24 Jayme wrote:
On June 12 2009 14:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
If you value your sanity, don't ever read Youtube comments. It's the cesspool of the internet. Worse than Twitter, worse than TL, worse than fucking 4chan. Like, fuck.


No kidding.

It's just filled with people that have absolutely zero clue what they are talking about. 4chan... while nearly as bad also has some really BRILLIANT people that browse the boards. Coincidentally they stick out like a sore thumb...


Maybe this is right.. I got into debate too many times on youtube over different topics So much wasted energy.

I just can't restrain myself, though...

Just like the Jaedong vs Bisu thing with the canceled spire...

Though I was surprised about that...somehow there were people even on TL that didn't know there was such thing as a 3 hat spire/den into 5 hat hydra/delayed muta BO that's STANDARD for ZvP...
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
June 12 2009 08:27 GMT
#18
Even though some people on YouTube are such HUGE idiots, I can't help but find your OP to be over-the-top.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
June 12 2009 09:02 GMT
#19
Dude you are reading YT's comments, wtf is wrong with you.You will just gradually lose faith in humanity./ignore them
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BWdero
Profile Joined February 2008
Netherlands476 Posts
June 12 2009 14:36 GMT
#20
I've just taken to hiding youtube comments. I seriously don't need to read the crap on there. Youtube comments is the dumbest place on the entire internet.
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