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I log into iCCup with the mindset of mass gaming, and accomplishing something this season. Despite it being the season, I felt I could at least beat a few people. After chilling for a bit, I finally join a game. I see the guy, and I see he's D+. The fact that it was this early in the season and that he was D+ didn't really click in my mind =\.
So I proceed to play one game. I get utterly raped. Completely and painfully. That sucked, but since it was ZvZ, I felt I could take at least one game from him. I rejoined, and got raped again. In frustration, I quit iCCup, and went on their website to see who I was actually playing.
I check his past ranks. A-. And then I look at current 1x1. He's #7. Ugh... I think I'm going to take a break from iCCup until the middle of the season so that I know who I'm playing =(.
Just waiting for the next Who is Who so I can know if I actually played anyone. Had a somewhat interesting conversation.
He said he was Korean, I accused him of lying of his ethnicity, and he proceeded to explain something about corean vs korean, and then claiming 'I AM SUPER COREAN!"
=\.
UPDATE: I feel some pride in saying that I was 8% of the wins by the #1 person on iCCup right now.
 
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If it's anything like last season you just need to wait like a week or so. It's really only the first few days that things are that bad.
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On June 02 2009 23:19 jhNz wrote:i never play during the first 3 or 4 weeks of a new season... some people say it's the best time of the season because you can play a lot of really good players even at low ranks. but i don't really see what's so cool about that  i don't wanna get raped almost every game
It's good for other high rank players (like B rank players) who can see how A rank players beat them and what they need to do to improve.
For us D+ to C- newbies, the benefits are small at best -_- The most you can do is claim you played Savior and got raped miserably at D+ or something.
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It would be pretty cool if you got to play a progamer :p
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On June 02 2009 23:24 Highways wrote:
It would be pretty cool if you got to play a progamer :p
Yeah, too bad I don't think I did. His last season rec was like.. 400-200, and progamers don't lose that much. It's blasphemy.
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Germany2762 Posts
On June 02 2009 23:22 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2009 23:19 jhNz wrote:i never play during the first 3 or 4 weeks of a new season... some people say it's the best time of the season because you can play a lot of really good players even at low ranks. but i don't really see what's so cool about that i don't wanna get raped almost every game It's good for other high rank players (like B rank players) who can see how A rank players beat them and what they need to do to improve. For us D+ to C- newbies, the benefits are small at best -_- The most you can do is claim you played Savior and got raped miserably at D+ or something.
exactly. i haven'T stated my rank in my previous post but i'm d+ too. so i totally agree with you.
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On June 02 2009 23:27 jhNz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2009 23:22 fanatacist wrote:On June 02 2009 23:19 jhNz wrote:i never play during the first 3 or 4 weeks of a new season... some people say it's the best time of the season because you can play a lot of really good players even at low ranks. but i don't really see what's so cool about that i don't wanna get raped almost every game It's good for other high rank players (like B rank players) who can see how A rank players beat them and what they need to do to improve. For us D+ to C- newbies, the benefits are small at best -_- The most you can do is claim you played Savior and got raped miserably at D+ or something. exactly. i haven'T stated my rank in my previous post but i'm d+ too. so i totally agree with you.
No offense but from your response it was already obvious :p
EDIT: I'm D+ too, right now.
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Germany2762 Posts
On June 02 2009 23:49 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2009 23:27 jhNz wrote:On June 02 2009 23:22 fanatacist wrote:On June 02 2009 23:19 jhNz wrote:i never play during the first 3 or 4 weeks of a new season... some people say it's the best time of the season because you can play a lot of really good players even at low ranks. but i don't really see what's so cool about that i don't wanna get raped almost every game It's good for other high rank players (like B rank players) who can see how A rank players beat them and what they need to do to improve. For us D+ to C- newbies, the benefits are small at best -_- The most you can do is claim you played Savior and got raped miserably at D+ or something. exactly. i haven'T stated my rank in my previous post but i'm d+ too. so i totally agree with you. No offense but from your response it was already obvious :p EDIT: I'm D+ too, right now.
haha well... according to my post i could have been even worse :D i just wanted to clarify that this is NOT the case ^^
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That's sick you just played an A- so early. Stop your bitching and man up. If by "play iccup" you really mean you just want to bash newbs then ya, quit for a month, cuz that will make you loads gosuer.
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United States11393 Posts
On June 02 2009 23:26 Archaic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2009 23:24 Highways wrote:
It would be pretty cool if you got to play a progamer :p Yeah, too bad I don't think I did. His last season rec was like.. 400-200, and progamers don't lose that much. It's blasphemy.
Season #11
347 - 193
That's July's record last Iccup season.
So yeah, they do lose a lot when they hit a/a+/olympic since they are playing other programersssss.
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
Let me tell you what I do
First, I prepare the ICCup site on my firefox
Second, I go onto ICCup and create a game
Third, someone joins, I say 'wait plz' and check out that user's info
Fourth, if reasonable, play. If he's smurfing, ban.
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On June 03 2009 00:45 konadora wrote:
Let me tell you what I do
First, I prepare the ICCup site on my firefox
Second, I go onto ICCup and create a game
Third, someone joins, I say 'wait plz' and check out that user's info
Fourth, if reasonable, play. If he's smurfing, ban.
lol
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
I forgot to add
Reset and playing as D/D+ = ban
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On June 03 2009 00:01 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2009 23:26 Archaic wrote:On June 02 2009 23:24 Highways wrote:
It would be pretty cool if you got to play a progamer :p Yeah, too bad I don't think I did. His last season rec was like.. 400-200, and progamers don't lose that much. It's blasphemy. Season #11 347 - 193 That's July's record last Iccup season. So yeah, they do lose a lot when they hit a/a+/olympic since they are playing other programersssss.
Hmph, okay. I stand corrected =\.
But I rechecked, and it was more like 400-300. But I still believe you.
UPDATE: I feel some pride in saying that I was 8% of the wins by the #1 person on iCCup right now.
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I always getting pumped for massgames in the first week of season so i can play some good players.Last season i played nal_keke in first few days so i hope this time i get some games vs other progamers too
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You realise how lucky you are lol? This is the whole reason for playing early season! If you want to play scrubs, just go on USEast :S
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On June 03 2009 00:45 konadora wrote:
Let me tell you what I do
First, I prepare the ICCup site on my firefox
Second, I go onto ICCup and create a game
Third, someone joins, I say 'wait plz' and check out that user's info
Fourth, if reasonable, play. If he's smurfing, ban.
This is lame and gay. Don't do this.
I wish people would start to understand how little importance the rank has.. I mean, unless you are getting paid to reach a certain rank (this happens in some clans, I guess) what is the meaning of it? At that point you are just doing it to make yourself feel better, not to improve your game.
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Ya Kondora, stats were banned so people stopped stat dodging. Now you just make the process take an extra minute ~_~ YOU should be the one smurfing if you're gonna play like that. Care less about your record
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On June 03 2009 01:29 Chef wrote:
You realise how lucky you are lol? This is the whole reason for playing early season! If you want to play scrubs, just go on USEast :S
What some guy said earlier is correct though.
This is prime time for B- - B+ players to get in games with A players they normally wouldn't be able too and see how to improve. I can really see why a B player would love the beginning of the season.
Now for a D+ player... the benefits are blah at best. Mostly because even a C+ player is going to rape you abysmally and you have every B - Olympic player to deal with at the same time. Hell I hit C+ last season and I'm still getting my ass handed to me so much at D I feel like crying 
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Germany2762 Posts
"wait a min" = insta leave for me.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On June 03 2009 00:46 Shivaz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2009 00:45 konadora wrote:
Let me tell you what I do
First, I prepare the ICCup site on my firefox
Second, I go onto ICCup and create a game
Third, someone joins, I say 'wait plz' and check out that user's info
Fourth, if reasonable, play. If he's smurfing, ban. lol
Haha.
This is what I do too.
But I usually like vsing Semi pro gamers - pro gamers simply for the fact
to play better.
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I played 2 B- Koreans and one B+ Korean this morning and of course, I lost all 3(I played a 27 minute ZvP with the B-). One game, I got cheesed and the other two was standard.
I don't avoid Koreans or any other players better than myself, because I want to improve! I've been playing 1v1 less than a month, so I have alot of shit to learn. Also, why do people care about records? Personally, I don't give a fuck about my stats, as long as I'm learning and having fun, it's all good.
I went 5-6, after losing 4 straight.
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On June 03 2009 01:34 meathook wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2009 00:45 konadora wrote:
Let me tell you what I do
First, I prepare the ICCup site on my firefox
Second, I go onto ICCup and create a game
Third, someone joins, I say 'wait plz' and check out that user's info
Fourth, if reasonable, play. If he's smurfing, ban. This is lame and gay. Don't do this. I wish people would start to understand how little importance the rank has.. I mean, unless you are getting paid to reach a certain rank (this happens in some clans, I guess) what is the meaning of it? At that point you are just doing it to make yourself feel better, not to improve your game.
There is a difference between a challenging game and a game where your opponent just has superior mechanics that no matter what they do they will still win.
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On June 03 2009 01:34 meathook wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2009 00:45 konadora wrote:
Let me tell you what I do
First, I prepare the ICCup site on my firefox
Second, I go onto ICCup and create a game
Third, someone joins, I say 'wait plz' and check out that user's info
Fourth, if reasonable, play. If he's smurfing, ban. This is lame and gay. Don't do this. I wish people would start to understand how little importance the rank has.. I mean, unless you are getting paid to reach a certain rank (this happens in some clans, I guess) what is the meaning of it? At that point you are just doing it to make yourself feel better, not to improve your game.
Nah, it's completely reasonable. It's not the rating loss that's the issue, it's the difference of playing a fair game of starcraft, and getting owned so hard without being able to do ANYTHING because the other player has an apm 200 higher than yourself, superior mechanics and tight pro buildorders. I for one can't stand playing against players who are so much better than me, and I'm getting the impression that most ppl at my rank (D+ or so) feel the same -.-.
I'd really like to play, but guess I'll just keep it at playing friends for the next week or two -.-.
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Playing against better players will make you improve. I don't see why you would want to avoid better players and play against your friends.
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On June 03 2009 04:00 Myst- wrote:
Playing against better players will make you improve. I don't see why you would want to avoid better players and play against your friends.
This might be true. But I really play to have fun. I do not have fun getting assraped by B's, and to be honest, I don't think I learn anything by getting steamrolled. Imo, you'll only learn if you actually have a chance of winning (even though this chance can be little, like a D+ playing against a C). Else it's like watching a live replay of yourself getting owned. This is clearly subjective, but that's how I see it.
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Well I also started checking for their stats before going. A lot of players at D / D+ that beat me was because they were higher ranked (B, etc.). It's not fun if you wanna get past D level and don't feel like getting owned.
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Playing better players might make you improve, but when u lose like 10 games in a row its pretty frustrating and demoralising lol. Makes you want to smash your keyboard !
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Sucking is pretty demoralizing. Beating sucky players worse than you shouldn't make you feel better. People gotta learn to improve through losses.
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Germany2762 Posts
On June 03 2009 05:04 MiniRoman wrote:
Sucking is pretty demoralizing. Beating sucky players worse than you shouldn't make you feel better. People gotta learn to improve through losses.
but in my opinion there's a difference between a loss and total rape... this is demoralizing too T_T
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On June 03 2009 01:34 meathook wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2009 00:45 konadora wrote:
Let me tell you what I do
First, I prepare the ICCup site on my firefox
Second, I go onto ICCup and create a game
Third, someone joins, I say 'wait plz' and check out that user's info
Fourth, if reasonable, play. If he's smurfing, ban. This is lame and gay. Don't do this. I wish people would start to understand how little importance the rank has.. I mean, unless you are getting paid to reach a certain rank (this happens in some clans, I guess) what is the meaning of it? At that point you are just doing it to make yourself feel better, not to improve your game.
I don't want to play a game where I get totally rolled over and don't know what the heck happened.
I'd rather play (maybe I didn't add this in, but I meant 'reasonable' as in 'people who are truly equally-skilled' ) a game where it goes back and forth, and I end up losing and then finding out my mistakes bit by bit and improve from there.
I wouldn't want to face some A+ smurf and get thrashed without knowing what just happened ~_~
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I hope you have the replay and realize what he did better than you.. It's a fucking amazing opportunity to see how somebody way above you plays.
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
I tend to analyze my own mistakes first but idk if that's effective. That's just how I learn though 
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Playing a progamer can be cool novelty wise, like "omg I played Reach on iccup, now my penis is larger", but I don't know how much you could actually improve from it.
Like, you play some A+ Korean, and get raped. And then you go look at the replay to see what he did right/you did wrong. Are you expected to go, "Well, his macro is twice as good as mine, so he rolled over me. I guess I need to improve my macro? I never knew this ever." after watching the replay?
Maybe if they did a strategic play you haven't played against before, or are uncomfortable playing against, I can see how it helps, but in alot of cases it just seems like the reason you lost would be common sense. "Scout for proxies next time" or "improve macro".
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