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The "radical" right?

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-01 05:31:01
June 01 2009 05:06 GMT
#1
So much for the DHS facing demands that they apologize that there are not potential threats from the radical right.

Comment from Operation Rescue

+ Show Spoiler +

George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama Administration will use Tiller's killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions. Abortion is still murder. And we still must call abortion by its proper name; murder.


Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches.




From someone who knew the killer:

+ Show Spoiler +


Those who know Roeder said he believed that killing abortion doctors was an act of justifiable homicide.

"I know that he believed in justifiable homicide," said Regina Dinwiddie, a Kansas City anti-abortion activist who made headlines in 1995 when she was ordered by a federal judge to stop using a bullhorn within 500 feet of any abortion clinic. "I know he very strongly believed that abortion was murder and that you ought to defend the little ones, both born and unborn."

Dinwiddie said she met Roeder while picketing outside the Kansas City Planned Parenthood clinic in 1996. Roeder walked into the clinic and asked to see the doctor, Robert Crist, she said.

"Robert Crist came out and he stared at him for approximately 45 seconds," she said. "Then [Roeder] said, 'I've seen you now.' Then he turned his back and walked away, and they were scared to death. On the way out, he gave me a great big hug and he said, 'I've seen you in the newspaper. I just love what you're doing.'^"

Roeder also was a subscriber to Prayer and Action News, a magazine that advocated the justifiable homicide position, said publisher Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines, Iowa.

"I met him once, and he wrote to me a few times," Leach said. "I remember that he was sympathetic to our cause, but I don't remember any details."

Leach said he met Roeder in Topeka when he went there to visit Shelley Shannon, who was in prison for the 1993 shooting of Tiller.

"He told me about a lot of conspiracy stuff and showed me how to take the magnetic strip out of a five-dollar bill," Leach said. "He said it was to keep the government from tracking your money."




Indeed...

Deputy Chief Tom Stolz w/ Wichita Police Dept. says Dr. Tiller died of a single gunshot wound. The Associated Press says the man detained in the Kansas City area is 51-year-old Scott Roeder of Merriam, Kansas, according to Law Enforcement authorities in the area. Roeder has not been formally charged with the killing at this time. Police say he was arrested without incident after a traffic stop.


July 7, [1997], Kansas: Scott Roeder is sentenced to sixteen months in state prison for parole violations following a 1996 conviction for having bomb components in his car trunk. Roeder, a sovereign citizen and tax protester, violated his parole by not filing tax returns or providing his social security number to his employer.


[May 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pm] Bless everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp. Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.


A man identified by the FBI as a member of the anti-government Freemen group was arrested yesterday after deputies found what they called a bomb-triggering device in his car.

Scott Roeder, 38, of Silver Lake, Kan., was arrested in Topeka and held on charges of criminal use of explosives, driving with a suspended license and failure to carry registration and insurance.

Roeder was stopped because his car didn't have a legitimate license plate. Instead, it had a tag indicating the driver was a "sovereign" citizen and immune from Kansas law.

The same type of tag is sometimes used by Freemen, whose members in Montana are in the fourth week of a standoff with federal agents.

Roeder's name is included on an FBI list of Freemen, said Shawnee County Sheriff Dave Meneley.

In Roeder's trunk, authorities found fuse cord, a pound of gunpowder and two nine-volt batteries, one wired to a switch - the alleged triggering device. Ammunition and a blasting cap also were found in the car.




http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19960417&slug=2324642

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/may/31/tiller-shot-death-wichita-church/

And there is always the media:
Tiller's name first appeared on "The Factor" on Feb. 25, 2005. Since then, O'Reilly and his guest hosts have brought up the doctor on 28 more episodes, including as recently as April 27 of this year. Almost invariably, Tiller is described as "Tiller the Baby Killer."


"Yes, I think we all know what this is. And if the state of Kansas doesn't stop this man, then anybody who prevents that from happening has blood on their hands as the governor does right now, Governor Sebelius."





A comment @ Redstate
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Which media outlet will bury this story under the GM story tomorrow I wonder.

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GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1837 Posts
June 01 2009 05:12 GMT
#2
Man, living in Wichita is gonna suck for a while
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 01 2009 05:23 GMT
#3
Actually I wonder if this would be labeled as Terrorism instead, the murder of an ideological opponent...?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
June 01 2009 05:30 GMT
#4
this is absolutely terrorism. the anti-abortion violence of the 90's was terrorism and so is this. is there even a question about that?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 01 2009 06:11 GMT
#5
I'm worried that nonsense and idiots like this are going to give the Obama administration a way to crush dissent from the right, more so than I would be concerned about abortion issues. Abortion is just another way of the government distracting people from the real issues.
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x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
June 01 2009 06:11 GMT
#6
reminds me of
Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, when at the cross the Savior made me whole
Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-01 06:59:52
June 01 2009 06:58 GMT
#7
Well, I think the comment from redstate has something to it. Pro-lifers really think abortion is murder so to them Tiller = Bundy times 100. The real issue here is that people still think that killing is ok.You can't have a country that murders people for murder and then complain about Tiller's death.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-01 18:51:02
June 01 2009 18:49 GMT
#8
Bill O'Reilly is set to comment on the killing later tonight I'm pretty sure everyone knows how that will go.

Also Operation Rescue is trying to distance themselves from the killer as well as Randall Terry.



Wichita, KS – Sheriff’s Deputies in Johnson County, Kansas, apprehended a suspect Sunday in the killing of late-term abortionist George R. Tiller of Wichita. They have identified the suspect as Scott P. Roeder, who is now in custody in Sedgwick County. According to police, he is expected to be charged with one count of murder and two counts of aggravated assault.

Operation Rescue released the following statement, attributable to Troy Newman, President:

Scott Roeder has never been a member, contributor, or volunteer with Operation Rescue. Mr. Roeder may have posted to our open blog web site, as have thousands of members of the public, including those with pro-abortion views, but he is not affiliated with this organization.

We deplore the criminal actions with which Mr. Roeder is accused.

The pro-life ethic is to value all human life from the moment of conception until natural death. Operation Rescue has diligently and successfully worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see to it that abortionists around the nation are brought to justice. Without due process, there can be no justice.

In spite of these horrific events, we remain dedicated to working through all peaceful and legal means available to bring an end to the killing of innocent children through abortion.

Read OR’s statement denouncing the Tiller killing

Note: Due to overwhelming traffic, our website has been down for several hours. We are working to insure that such an outage does not occur again. We appreciate your patience and apologize for any inconvenience.

It should be further noted that Randall Terry is not associated with nor is he authorized to speak for Operation Rescue. He left Operation Rescue in 1991.


Seeing how they fueled the hate towards this man doesn't seem to be helping them any.

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001803/
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
June 01 2009 18:52 GMT
#9
On June 01 2009 15:11 x89titan wrote:
reminds me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqPvPovyWQ

SHIT!!!

Does anybody know how they make/what they use to make those??
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 01 2009 19:01 GMT
#10
Suspect Is Identified in Killing of Abortion Doctor

WICHITA, Kan. — The suspect in the fatal shooting of one of the nation’s only doctors to perform late-term abortions had professed an anti-government, anti-abortion philosophy in years past, some who knew him said on Monday.

Scott Roeder, 51, of Merriam, Kan., whom authorities have described as a suspect in Sunday’s fatal shooting here of George Tiller, the doctor who had been a focal point for abortion opponents for decades, was once a subscriber and occasional contributor to a newsletter, Prayer and Action News, said to Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines who runs the newsletter. Mr. Leach said he and Mr. Roeder had met once, and Mr. Roeder had described similar views to his own. Of Dr. Tiller’s death, Mr. Leach said, "To call this a crime is too simplistic," adding, "There is Christian scripture that would support this."


Uh huh..
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32051 Posts
June 01 2009 20:31 GMT
#11
This was covered by most news places—why wouldn't it be?

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 01 2009 23:19 GMT
#12
The phone number of Operation Rescue's senior policy adviser was found in the killer's car.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
June 02 2009 00:23 GMT
#13
On June 01 2009 15:11 x89titan wrote:
reminds me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqPvPovyWQ


Haha Robot Chicken is awesome. Contrary to pro-lifers.
觀過斯知仁矣.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 02 2009 01:44 GMT
#14
On June 01 2009 15:58 Hippopotamus wrote:
Well, I think the comment from redstate has something to it. Pro-lifers really think abortion is murder so to them Tiller = Bundy times 100. The real issue here is that people still think that killing is ok.You can't have a country that murders people for murder and then complain about Tiller's death.

yes you can, because the rest of the country doesnt consider tiller a murderer, and so doesnt think killing him is justified. maybe the death penalty is wrong, but its not at all comparable to this.
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Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
June 02 2009 07:45 GMT
#15
But put yourself in the pro-lifer's shoes. If you really believe he's a mass-murderer, you'd have a moral imperative to stop him.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 02 2009 08:13 GMT
#16
if a psychotic person really believes his neighbor is plotting to murder him is it ok to kill him?
from his point of view its self defense.

you have to consider the point of view you're looking at. if its based on flawed beliefs you cant judge the results at face value.
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
June 02 2009 08:37 GMT
#17
On June 02 2009 16:45 Hippopotamus wrote:
But put yourself in the pro-lifer's shoes. If you really believe he's a mass-murderer, you'd have a moral imperative to stop him.

And that's why something must be done about these utterly retarded beliefs.
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2nd1rst
Profile Joined April 2009
United States40 Posts
June 02 2009 09:42 GMT
#18
On June 02 2009 17:37 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2009 16:45 Hippopotamus wrote:
But put yourself in the pro-lifer's shoes. If you really believe he's a mass-murderer, you'd have a moral imperative to stop him.

And that's why something must be done about these utterly retarded beliefs.


I don't think this murder is justified, but when this thread turns into a pro-life vs. pro-choice debate, I hope you guys realize what this guy Tiller was doing. He was preforming late term abortions which means he was killing "fetuses" that might have been viable outside the womb, for no reason. Other doctors only do late term abortions when the mothers life is at stake. But this guy was basically advertising on his website and making money off the fact that he was the guy to go to if you have second thoughts and want to get rid of your baby.

So yea this isn't really even a pro-life thing. I don't see how anyone could be for late term abortions without a valid medical excuse
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
June 02 2009 10:11 GMT
#19
On June 02 2009 18:42 2nd1rst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2009 17:37 jello_biafra wrote:
On June 02 2009 16:45 Hippopotamus wrote:
But put yourself in the pro-lifer's shoes. If you really believe he's a mass-murderer, you'd have a moral imperative to stop him.

And that's why something must be done about these utterly retarded beliefs.


I don't think this murder is justified, but when this thread turns into a pro-life vs. pro-choice debate, I hope you guys realize what this guy Tiller was doing. He was preforming late term abortions which means he was killing "fetuses" that might have been viable outside the womb, for no reason. Other doctors only do late term abortions when the mothers life is at stake. But this guy was basically advertising on his website and making money off the fact that he was the guy to go to if you have second thoughts and want to get rid of your baby.

So yea this isn't really even a pro-life thing. I don't see how anyone could be for late term abortions without a valid medical excuse


IIRC I thought he was performing abortions in cases where the baby would harm the mother if kept? I read that the state law mandated two independent doctors' orders were required?
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2nd1rst
Profile Joined April 2009
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-02 11:01:16
June 02 2009 10:26 GMT
#20
On June 02 2009 19:11 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2009 18:42 2nd1rst wrote:
On June 02 2009 17:37 jello_biafra wrote:
On June 02 2009 16:45 Hippopotamus wrote:
But put yourself in the pro-lifer's shoes. If you really believe he's a mass-murderer, you'd have a moral imperative to stop him.

And that's why something must be done about these utterly retarded beliefs.


I don't think this murder is justified, but when this thread turns into a pro-life vs. pro-choice debate, I hope you guys realize what this guy Tiller was doing. He was preforming late term abortions which means he was killing "fetuses" that might have been viable outside the womb, for no reason. Other doctors only do late term abortions when the mothers life is at stake. But this guy was basically advertising on his website and making money off the fact that he was the guy to go to if you have second thoughts and want to get rid of your baby.

So yea this isn't really even a pro-life thing. I don't see how anyone could be for late term abortions without a valid medical excuse


IIRC I thought he was performing abortions in cases where the baby would harm the mother if kept? I read that the state law mandated two independent doctors' orders were required?


Maybe they have passed the law by now but last time I read about this the governor of the state vetoed a law that was basically passed just because of Tiller. The law would require him to give a valid medical reason and the governor cited "privacy" issues as her reason. People called her out because of donations from tiller and other stuff. hence the quote from O'reily in the op.

edit-ok you are right they now need an independent doctor's orders. Tiller recently got brought up on charges because he was using a doctor that was employed under him and not an independent doctor, but the charges were dropped.
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