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Neon_Monkey
Profile Joined February 2008
United States270 Posts
May 31 2009 22:27 GMT
#21
Heartbreak is a really nice change from destination. It makes for really interesting zvp because the P's 4th gas is like 2 feet from your main and vice versa and the map itself is just really interesting and annoying with 3 passages and all the ramps. I just wish there were a way to get rid of all the dumb terran rushes that are inevitable on a 2 player map. Out of like the 10 ZvT's I've played on it like 2 have been bbs's right outside my nat, 2 proxy 8 raxes, and 3 factory floats that are so hard to scout because your main is almost as big as on tau cross.

Also, it just annoys me for some reason that iccup mispelled the map name so now every korean calls it heatbreak ridge in the ladder channels.

Oh, and grats on A-.
aznmathfreak
Profile Joined March 2009
United States148 Posts
May 31 2009 22:32 GMT
#22
I'm really envious of all the foreigners that can reach up to the A-~ levels, it's such a big accomplishment and a testament of your skill level.

Personally I got to my goal of reaching C for the season, though I had to abuse zvp on heartbreak ridge to do it. Hopefully next season I'll be able to obtain C+ without map abuse. Anyways, congratulations and good luck on next season.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
May 31 2009 22:47 GMT
#23
I made my goal - C with 400 games. ended C 4072 with some ugly record like 165-262
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
May 31 2009 22:52 GMT
#24
I was able to hit my goal of C rank (88-110) with most of my wins at C- coming from TvZ (I cant seem to beat anyone in TvP lol). Going for C+ starting tommorow (if I can fix my horrible TvP)
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7701 Posts
May 31 2009 23:24 GMT
#25
Congrats.

I'm proud of you oystein!

I hit b- twice, which was nice

iamazerguser was my best % to b- which was 63%. My other account was 52% but I actually played b- games.

Other then a sad 'hacking incident involving me , antihack and iccup staffing , my experience was great. I didn't have last seasons drive to improve upon b-. I am happy to say that I did it for the first time ever while playing zerg vs zerg. I think playing that matchup makes it alot harder to be strong in zvp and zvt since you must focus on an entirely different way of thinking and microing.

R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
May 31 2009 23:34 GMT
#26
gratz, i don't play iccup haha
ggyo...
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
May 31 2009 23:54 GMT
#27
What time do you play at to play against koreans? Also congrats on A-
Myst-
Profile Joined May 2009
United States96 Posts
June 01 2009 00:03 GMT
#28
I'm new to iCCuP and Zerg(I started playing on May 3rd), but I was able to hit C-. I have a question! I've pretty much played Desti this entire month and I'm guessing 50% of my ZvP was vs Proxy Gates! I really need to work on my ZvP macro, so what map/maps would you suggest for a new player(Anything but Colo, I absolutely hate that map). I tend to enjoy smaller 2 player maps much more than larger 3-4 player maps, but I'll play what I must to improve my overall game/macro!

Maps that I haven't played but have interest in:

Andro: How is this map overall?
God's Garden
Heartbreak: How is ZvP?
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
June 01 2009 00:03 GMT
#29
On June 01 2009 07:13 LaLuSh wrote:
i lashed out against you in a desti-game where i got pissed, but i just wanna say you're a hell of alot better than morrow, if that actually counts for anything lol. Personally I couldn't even maintain B on korean hours.

I get this impression your zvp is very hydra heavy whenever i see you play though, and that macrobot tosses seem to do well against that particular style (esp. the ones that play defensively and are good at getting a third base up and running).

No worries, we all have our moments of nerd rage when things are not going our way. I do not need any reassurance that I am better than Morrow, I have a pretty clear feeling of that from my games vs him (tho hes getting better).

Yeah my ZvP style is often hydra heavy midgame and its a bitch vs defensive players who are good stormers.

Didn't have goals, only reached C and then stopped playing due to lack of interest. Grats on A- though, I don't think playing good foreigners is a reason to downplay your shiny green rank. Impressive record also!

But it is, I have immense respect for people like Ret/White-ra who actually climbs even at A- vs Koreans. I am like a B player, B+ at best during Korean hours while I feel its rather easy to play at B/B+ during foreign time (of course there are lots of good foreigners also, but a lot of the B/B+/A- foreigners would probably lose vs random B/B+ Koreans.)
Record could have been even better if I did not offrace and random so much before I hit B-.

Heartbreak is a really nice change from destination. It makes for really interesting zvp because the P's 4th gas is like 2 feet from your main and vice versa and the map itself is just really interesting and annoying with 3 passages and all the ramps. I just wish there were a way to get rid of all the dumb terran rushes that are inevitable on a 2 player map. Out of like the 10 ZvT's I've played on it like 2 have been bbs's right outside my nat, 2 proxy 8 raxes, and 3 factory floats that are so hard to scout because your main is almost as big as on tau cross.

Yeah I really like the map, if often makes interesting games. For example I have played several games where base trading has occurred PvZ due to armies being at different paths through the center. I have not played that many ZvTs on the map, but usually I just dronescout at 9 and 12pool if I scout anything but main rax and go ahead and 12hatch if things looks normal. Also 9pool is not to shabby on this map due to no ramp and not that many people wall off + its autowin vs all those proxy rax builds.

What time do you play at to play against koreans? Also congrats on A-

During morning daytime where I live (Norway CET 06-16) I don`t work or go to school so I have tons of time to play during the daytime.

Also put together a rep pack of all my games from B- (could be a game or 2 missing and some 10sec reps, since I did not really spend much time compiling it).
http://files.filefront.com/IccuprepsBrar/;13834715;/fileinfo.html
God Hates a Coward
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
June 01 2009 00:11 GMT
#30
Good job on the a-. I was gonna try and get b or b+ and it did seem very possible considering I had over a month left but then my fcking comp finally died and I got stuck at b-. Oh well
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Red.Cloud
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada235 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-01 00:20:01
June 01 2009 00:18 GMT
#31
got my b- not dodging anyone and playing vs as many good players as i could

"loved playing vs koreans" ;D

also was able to play a c+ korean on another one of my accounts at the D+ level, won 227 pts lol
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
June 01 2009 00:31 GMT
#32
On June 01 2009 09:03 Myst- wrote:
I'm new to iCCuP and Zerg(I started playing on May 3rd), but I was able to hit C-. I have a question! I've pretty much played Desti this entire month and I'm guessing 50% of my ZvP was vs Proxy Gates! I really need to work on my ZvP macro, so what map/maps would you suggest for a new player(Anything but Colo, I absolutely hate that map). I tend to enjoy smaller 2 player maps much more than larger 3-4 player maps, but I'll play what I must to improve my overall game/macro!

Maps that I haven't played but have interest in:

Andro: How is this map overall?
God's Garden
Heartbreak: How is ZvP?

I would probably suggest to play lots of different maps to get the feel of how maps and certain map features works. For example how easy attainable 3rd gas vs hard to get min only 3rd affects the games. I have always loved playing new maps and while I might not be an expert on certain maps I feel I most often do better on new maps compared to people who are more selective in their map choices. Also I have always loved 2 player maps and I think pretty much all my favorite maps are 2 player ones. As boring as Python is to play its a great map to learn the basics on since its pretty much always standard play that occurs on it.

As for the maps you mentioned both Andro and Gods Garden are hardcore macro maps so they should be very good maps to practice your macro on. I have not played that many games of ZvP on heartbreak but I think its an interesting map and the wide choke+possible back entrance is great for speedling openings both for aggressive play or switch into a more standard play just having the P play in the dark. However mid\late game it often feels hard playing vs Toss due to all the chokes and small corridors on the map. I need to play more ZvP\PvZ on the map before I can give a more detailed answer.
God Hates a Coward
Myst-
Profile Joined May 2009
United States96 Posts
June 01 2009 00:40 GMT
#33
Thanks for the information! I agree about the 2 player maps and as it stands, I've enjoyed Desti the most. I'll give Heartbreak a try and see how I enjoy ZvP.
JDizz6688
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States177 Posts
June 01 2009 00:44 GMT
#34
On June 01 2009 07:17 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2009 06:27 Harem wrote:
I hate zvp on Heartbreak so much. ~_~


So hard to get 4th base. Ugly map


agree 100%. it is a good map for most matchups though just not zvp.

this season i did not have a goal. i finally picked zerg as my main race and have improved my multitasking a great deal. d+ is definitely in my future for next season. hopefully if i play alot more c-. most likely not though.
JDizzPANiC.806 Diamond Z NA Let's SC 2
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 01 2009 00:47 GMT
#35
On June 01 2009 06:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:
i pretty much reached my goals, didnt have time to really play much
got b+ pretty easily a good while ago, but then I tried to play some games against b+ and a- koreans and got raped pretty soundly in almost every game (but won every game vs b or b- when trying to regain b+), then had exams coming up and couldnt play during may, and besides it felt like i had reached the rank i belonged in hehe, at least unless i played really much.

going for a- next season tho

Does Liquid`Drone release replays? Please say Liquid`Drone releases replays :O
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
June 01 2009 17:47 GMT
#36
Congrats man, your stream was always fun to watch.

I did achieve my goals too, as I have reached D+ foir the first time^^ (16w-17l record, quite a run after the last clearstats) I was playing mostly HR too, and I love it too
BW fighting!
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
June 01 2009 18:15 GMT
#37
Congrats on your A- rank man!

oh and

On June 01 2009 09:47 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2009 06:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:
i pretty much reached my goals, didnt have time to really play much
got b+ pretty easily a good while ago, but then I tried to play some games against b+ and a- koreans and got raped pretty soundly in almost every game (but won every game vs b or b- when trying to regain b+), then had exams coming up and couldnt play during may, and besides it felt like i had reached the rank i belonged in hehe, at least unless i played really much.

going for a- next season tho

Does Liquid`Drone release replays? Please say Liquid`Drone releases replays :O


I second this request.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28929 Posts
June 01 2009 19:02 GMT
#38
im gonna be streaming a bit the next season, that'll have to suffice
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
June 01 2009 19:13 GMT
#39
I hate Heartbreak and cannot win a game on it
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TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
June 01 2009 20:02 GMT
#40
LoL Oystein, nice quip about Arew and Morrow. im not sure about Morrow, but i know Ret commented in the same way about him on GG.net so you guys must have a point. but i do remember Arew being A- with something like 93-6 :-)

that being said, i dont think it was fair to pinpoint Arew and Morrow. if you check some profiles,i think MOST top foreigners are actually playing mostly, or surprisingly regularly, against other foreigners above B or B+

That's somewhat peculiar since im playing 90% Koreans at my C, C+ level. This level, i'd say must be populated by 60% Koreans, 40% Foreigners, whereas the B+ and above level is populated by 99% Koreans, 1% Foreigners.

It's rather humorous that the 1% tends to cherish a propensity to play against other members of the aforementioned 1%.

I love you Oystein but you're still enemy #1 in Canada for claiming that "Hockey Blows"
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