• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:49
CEST 13:49
KST 20:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18Serral wins EWC 202549
Community News
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris23Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new and old maps do you want in the next 1v1 ladder pool? (SC2) : 2v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Monday Nights Weeklies Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull
Brood War
General
Joined effort Flash On His 2010 "God" Form, Mind Games, vs JD New season has just come in ladder BW General Discussion Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro24 Group B [ASL20] Ro24 Group C BWCL Season 63 Announcement [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The year 2050 Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment"
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Breaking the Meta: Non-Stand…
TrAiDoS
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2295 users

Iccup Report/rant - Page 3

Blogs > Oystein
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
June 01 2009 23:57 GMT
#41
On June 02 2009 05:02 TheFlashyOne wrote:
LoL Oystein, nice quip about Arew and Morrow. im not sure about Morrow, but i know Ret commented in the same way about him on GG.net so you guys must have a point. but i do remember Arew being A- with something like 93-6 :-)

that being said, i dont think it was fair to pinpoint Arew and Morrow. if you check some profiles,i think MOST top foreigners are actually playing mostly, or surprisingly regularly, against other foreigners above B or B+

That's somewhat peculiar since im playing 90% Koreans at my C, C+ level. This level, i'd say must be populated by 60% Koreans, 40% Foreigners, whereas the B+ and above level is populated by 99% Koreans, 1% Foreigners.

It's rather humorous that the 1% tends to cherish a propensity to play against other members of the aforementioned 1%.

I love you Oystein but you're still enemy #1 in Canada for claiming that "Hockey Blows"

This season was rather special since it included so many time limit ladders for qualifying to tourneys, so of course everyone would rather spend 100 games qualifying against foreigners than spend 150+ vs Koreans.

However every season there is lots of people who plays more Koreans than foreigners. They might not stand out because they have tons of games with bad winrates at B/B+/A- with White-Ra being the best example.

Both Arew and Morrow have admitted openly to dodging/not playing Koreans before so its not like its a secret I am revealing. Granted Morrow actually seemed to play a fair amount of Koreans in the end of this season, however if you looked at his streak from early B+ to almost A it pretty much consisted of him playing Mana\Carrygun over and over again along with games here and there vs other foreigners and pretty much no Koreans. Watching him dodge Ret on his stream didnt help out his case either

Also I will keep my identity a secret if I ever visit Canada in fear of retributions for my Hockey comments
God Hates a Coward
rytas
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden116 Posts
June 02 2009 00:09 GMT
#42
Went from near impossible to get from D- to D to goin well on my way to D+, something just seem to have happen over one of those nights If it werent for those pesky zerg-players I'd probably hit D+ grrrr, but oh well it was a satisfying season goin from beeing really shitty player to just a shitty player.
Hold position Underground Conquerors is a bitch.
closed
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vatican City State491 Posts
June 02 2009 01:31 GMT
#43
Ive started playing ICCUP recently for the first time. I've started very late and did not play many games.
Currently, Im trying to get my mechanics back, because due to Diablo II my hands became wooden and I often have ~90apm, instead of usual 120. Consequently I played nearly pure ZvZ; got to D+ quite easily (like 15-5), but then kinda got stomped by players who should lose to me, but I had crappy mechanics; for example I had two games vs Shauni, which I think I should have won, but I lost due to sloppy controlss and lack of macro (2000 minerals lol).
Maybe I should publish the replays Shauni, the 2nd game was quite interesting; lurker battles in ZvZ :-)

As for "dodging koreans" - do they ever play by using the list? I usually made games called "D zvz", but Im not really sure if Koreans join them or not; I think most of them dont?
Should I search for opponents in the channel?

Also, one more question, lag latency in fact gives me incredible lags, does anyone how to repair it? My computer seems to be quite strong (P4 2,8ghz) and connection is quite ok (ping between 100 to 300). This is really strange, as I experience no lag without LL.. but when I turn it on the computer can sometimes stall... and sometimes not.
TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-02 01:44:23
June 02 2009 01:40 GMT
#44
Oystein, i get your point about the time limit ladders, and therefore my wrath won't be as severe for this season. but im just saying a player is equally guilty of dodging Koreans whether he's admitting it publicly or not. you seem to focus on Arew and Morrow because apparently they admitted to what they were doing. But what about those masses of foreigners (everyone except Ret or White-Ra?) who have mastered the art of dodging Koreans while flying under the radar? Aren't they guilty? We seem to forget them when its done behind the scenes. Maybe its just that Morrow and Arew are the few that decided to be honest about it.

Again, i get your point about the time limit ladder for this season, but common man, you know thats what people do , season after season. B+ or above is populated by 99% Koreans, but when i check foreigners' profiles...its like.... Nothing new. That's pretty much been the case ever since iCCup was around. Already playing vs 10 or 20% foreigners would be a huge statistical deviation.

also, about White-Ra not standing out. for me, he's the guy who stands out the most , season after season, because even with a negative win rate, he's still always ends up to be in the top 3 highest ranked foreigners with like PJ and some other chinese or Ret.

If you wanna visit Canada without any fear of retaliation, im offering you discounts on my shooting and skating lessons on Fridays.
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Summer Champion…
11:00
Playoffs Day 1
ByuN vs herO
MaxPax vs Zoun
Clem vs NightMare
WardiTV723
Liquipedia
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #103
ByuN vs CreatorLIVE!
Solar vs ShoWTimE
CranKy Ducklings258
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 94
MindelVK 51
BRAT_OK 41
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 29862
Larva 761
Killer 656
PianO 455
Pusan 451
Soma 346
Mini 335
Hyun 324
ggaemo 308
Hyuk 264
[ Show more ]
Last 261
Rush 228
firebathero 226
Barracks 155
Mind 60
soO 33
Free 26
Noble 21
NaDa 19
HiyA 16
Icarus 16
Sacsri 7
Dota 2
Gorgc3606
XcaliburYe612
qojqva402
Fuzer 149
Pyrionflax147
League of Legends
Dendi843
Counter-Strike
summit1g8378
olofmeister1661
x6flipin294
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King68
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor206
Other Games
singsing2097
B2W.Neo633
Happy355
RotterdaM186
SortOf137
rGuardiaN36
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 10
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2482
• WagamamaTV266
League of Legends
• Jankos2144
Upcoming Events
SC Evo League
11m
Chat StarLeague
4h 11m
Razz vs Julia
StRyKeR vs ZZZero
Semih vs TBD
Replay Cast
12h 11m
Afreeca Starleague
22h 11m
Queen vs HyuN
EffOrt vs Calm
Wardi Open
23h 11m
RotterdaM Event
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 12h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 22h
Rush vs TBD
Jaedong vs Mong
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 23h
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
herO vs TBD
Royal vs Barracks
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
Cosmonarchy
5 days
OyAji vs Sziky
Sziky vs WolFix
WolFix vs OyAji
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Hawk vs Team Bonyth
SC Evo League
6 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jiahua Invitational
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSLAN 3
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.