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Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
June 01 2009 23:57 GMT
#41
On June 02 2009 05:02 TheFlashyOne wrote:
LoL Oystein, nice quip about Arew and Morrow. im not sure about Morrow, but i know Ret commented in the same way about him on GG.net so you guys must have a point. but i do remember Arew being A- with something like 93-6 :-)

that being said, i dont think it was fair to pinpoint Arew and Morrow. if you check some profiles,i think MOST top foreigners are actually playing mostly, or surprisingly regularly, against other foreigners above B or B+

That's somewhat peculiar since im playing 90% Koreans at my C, C+ level. This level, i'd say must be populated by 60% Koreans, 40% Foreigners, whereas the B+ and above level is populated by 99% Koreans, 1% Foreigners.

It's rather humorous that the 1% tends to cherish a propensity to play against other members of the aforementioned 1%.

I love you Oystein but you're still enemy #1 in Canada for claiming that "Hockey Blows"

This season was rather special since it included so many time limit ladders for qualifying to tourneys, so of course everyone would rather spend 100 games qualifying against foreigners than spend 150+ vs Koreans.

However every season there is lots of people who plays more Koreans than foreigners. They might not stand out because they have tons of games with bad winrates at B/B+/A- with White-Ra being the best example.

Both Arew and Morrow have admitted openly to dodging/not playing Koreans before so its not like its a secret I am revealing. Granted Morrow actually seemed to play a fair amount of Koreans in the end of this season, however if you looked at his streak from early B+ to almost A it pretty much consisted of him playing Mana\Carrygun over and over again along with games here and there vs other foreigners and pretty much no Koreans. Watching him dodge Ret on his stream didnt help out his case either

Also I will keep my identity a secret if I ever visit Canada in fear of retributions for my Hockey comments
God Hates a Coward
rytas
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden116 Posts
June 02 2009 00:09 GMT
#42
Went from near impossible to get from D- to D to goin well on my way to D+, something just seem to have happen over one of those nights If it werent for those pesky zerg-players I'd probably hit D+ grrrr, but oh well it was a satisfying season goin from beeing really shitty player to just a shitty player.
Hold position Underground Conquerors is a bitch.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vatican City State491 Posts
June 02 2009 01:31 GMT
#43
Ive started playing ICCUP recently for the first time. I've started very late and did not play many games.
Currently, Im trying to get my mechanics back, because due to Diablo II my hands became wooden and I often have ~90apm, instead of usual 120. Consequently I played nearly pure ZvZ; got to D+ quite easily (like 15-5), but then kinda got stomped by players who should lose to me, but I had crappy mechanics; for example I had two games vs Shauni, which I think I should have won, but I lost due to sloppy controlss and lack of macro (2000 minerals lol).
Maybe I should publish the replays Shauni, the 2nd game was quite interesting; lurker battles in ZvZ :-)

As for "dodging koreans" - do they ever play by using the list? I usually made games called "D zvz", but Im not really sure if Koreans join them or not; I think most of them dont?
Should I search for opponents in the channel?

Also, one more question, lag latency in fact gives me incredible lags, does anyone how to repair it? My computer seems to be quite strong (P4 2,8ghz) and connection is quite ok (ping between 100 to 300). This is really strange, as I experience no lag without LL.. but when I turn it on the computer can sometimes stall... and sometimes not.
TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-02 01:44:23
June 02 2009 01:40 GMT
#44
Oystein, i get your point about the time limit ladders, and therefore my wrath won't be as severe for this season. but im just saying a player is equally guilty of dodging Koreans whether he's admitting it publicly or not. you seem to focus on Arew and Morrow because apparently they admitted to what they were doing. But what about those masses of foreigners (everyone except Ret or White-Ra?) who have mastered the art of dodging Koreans while flying under the radar? Aren't they guilty? We seem to forget them when its done behind the scenes. Maybe its just that Morrow and Arew are the few that decided to be honest about it.

Again, i get your point about the time limit ladder for this season, but common man, you know thats what people do , season after season. B+ or above is populated by 99% Koreans, but when i check foreigners' profiles...its like.... Nothing new. That's pretty much been the case ever since iCCup was around. Already playing vs 10 or 20% foreigners would be a huge statistical deviation.

also, about White-Ra not standing out. for me, he's the guy who stands out the most , season after season, because even with a negative win rate, he's still always ends up to be in the top 3 highest ranked foreigners with like PJ and some other chinese or Ret.

If you wanna visit Canada without any fear of retaliation, im offering you discounts on my shooting and skating lessons on Fridays.
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