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dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
May 27 2009 22:22 GMT
#1
I've been reading, and I came across the fact that Aristotle (Greek Philosopher) noticed that the governments ran by one person favored the rich, while the democracies favored the poor.

Now I honestly do not think the United States favors the poor.

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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
May 27 2009 22:26 GMT
#2
Yeah well there's something called corruption. And poorer people tend to be ignorant of government
Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
May 27 2009 22:29 GMT
#3
Well, do you honestly think that the United States is a democracy?
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
May 27 2009 22:32 GMT
#4
The United States is a democratic replubic, there is a slight difference.

The closest to democracy is california's referendums and shit.
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LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
May 27 2009 22:35 GMT
#5
And Plato wrote that the love between a mentoring adult male and an adolescent boy was the purest, truest, most beautiful kind of love.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
May 27 2009 22:37 GMT
#6
"Democracy is two foxes and a sheep deciding what's for dinner."
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 27 2009 23:08 GMT
#7
"The greatest argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter."
~Winston Churchill
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Insane Lane
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States397 Posts
May 27 2009 23:42 GMT
#8
It favors the poor more than your average third-world dictatorship.
Xenixx
Profile Joined June 2008
United States553 Posts
May 27 2009 23:46 GMT
#9
Democracy is a good idea if you believe in the pure good will of people which you'd be an idiot for.
Xela
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada203 Posts
May 28 2009 03:01 GMT
#10
On May 28 2009 07:22 dhe95 wrote:
I've been reading, and I came across the fact that Aristotle (Greek Philosopher) noticed that the governments ran by one person favored the rich, while the democracies favored the poor.

Now I honestly do not think the United States favors the poor.

So you just figured out a philosopher dead more than 2000 years ago was not 100% right about the political system of the USA?
Gray[FH
Profile Joined January 2009
152 Posts
May 28 2009 03:30 GMT
#11
On May 28 2009 07:32 Rev0lution wrote:
The United States is a democratic replubic, there is a slight difference.

The closest to democracy is california's referendums and shit.

well put
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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
May 28 2009 03:38 GMT
#12
"The biggest flaw on democracy is that it starts from the premise that the people actually knows what is good for themselves."
- me
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
May 28 2009 03:38 GMT
#13
if the poor were being favored, would they still be poor? i think america does well in terms of having a big middle class and high average income with few people below the poverty line.

i think it favors everyone. in a democracy, there is a lot done to appease the masses because of their voting power...but you still have to remember that its the wealthier people that are in office making laws or lobbying and putting ads on TV.
geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
May 28 2009 03:42 GMT
#14
rich people will always have an edge over poorer ones so its hard to say that something favors the poor.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 28 2009 04:29 GMT
#15
The United States isn't a true democracy, it's a representative democracy.

Not anyone can run into congress and debate. We elect people to represent us.

However, in order to be elected, you need to be able to run a campaign to get your name out there. In order to run a campaign, you need money.

So from there...you can see how things might divert from Aristotle's view.

In addition, when any government ages, the powers that be tend to get greedy in the sense that they want to consolidate and secure their power. This in part leads to the useless and dumb rhetoric and politics that plague our government's functioning today.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 28 2009 05:01 GMT
#16
Democracy is a terrible form of government. I'll pass on society being ruled by a mob, thank you.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 28 2009 05:38 GMT
#17
I think you're generalizing what Aristotle said.

Aristotle actually noted that there were six kinds of government: "good" monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy, vs. "bad" monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy. He defined them as being monarchy vs. tyranny, aristocracy vs. oligarchy, and democracy vs. anarchy. He noted that not that the poor are favored by democracy, but rather that the main benefitors are the hedonists, and how it's a counteraction to that of the arisocracy/oligarchy.
For he noted that: ideally man was ruled by monarchy, but in the oligarchical state people became too obsessed with money instead of virtue. Democracy was the "oligarch's son" rebelling against the obsession of money, and instead of saving it begins to spend it. Tyranny results from the democrat's son becoming too hedonist.
Thus, it's not that democracy favors poor people: it's that the focus of society changes from the hoarding of money to the fulfillment of everybody's wishes.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 28 2009 05:40 GMT
#18
What government isn't essentially ran by one person?

(even if it's just a front)


Honest question, cuz I don't know.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
May 28 2009 07:18 GMT
#19
the best kind of government is a benevolent dictatorship. unfortunately, that's not going to happen
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 29 2009 03:48 GMT
#20
On May 28 2009 14:40 travis wrote:
What government isn't essentially ran by one person?

(even if it's just a front)


Honest question, cuz I don't know.

Speaking essentially, I'd argue the US is not run by one person, but by two entities...president and congress. There's an even enough power distribution that you can't say one has a significant amount more influence than the other.

It may be a far cry from a true democracy in any sense of the word, but still.
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